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  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Yeah I guess I should stick to the attributes of God which of course encompasses everything to some respect. I appreciate your analysis; albeit I am surprised at some of your conclusions (at least that you didn't challenge me more in some aspects). It does get tiresome after a while getting into what some call 2nd or 3rd tier matters that are not primary doctrinal issues.

    I appreciate your online friendship and prayers. Am finally getting to work next week so probably will be busier and post less often. Hoping to continue to be a witness to my boss as well as another worker and others there.

    I hope your husband is able to pray with you and maybe has some ideas here as well.

    Looking forward to seeing your next post.

    Rich P
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Ge.1:28 "Dominion"

    "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

    The everlasting covenant was between two equal parties. The Man component as mentioned earlier gave the Son equal status which underpins the Father Son relationship. It also evidently points out emblem in the divine Will. "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" opened the Advent of the Son (as the Word become flesh,) as predestined. Triune God presents the body of the Son, the spirit of Christ as the mist, which we shall come across "and watered the whole face of the ground."(Ge.2:6).

    The Spirit moving upon the face of the waters made every atom fall in to the dictates of the divine Law. So fire shall go out when the air is removed a natural law, nevertheless derived from God a Spirit. A body hast thou prepared me establishes consequently an association in His creation. Adam in 'our image' is the double for Son so this association works across from one end of the earth to the other.. We shall come to the point that God breathes in the nostrils of Adam and made him the living soul.(Ge.2:7) This association as a result takes up and down as well. Ep.1:3 refers to spiritual blessings which are word-based. The Advent of the only begotten Son was in the divine Will. Jesus sending disciples was established on the basis. (Matt.10:40; Luke 10:16) Whoever received his disciples was as though he received Christ himself.

    God blessed His creation in his Son, the firstborn from all creation, This being the case there cannot any other interpretation to the command, " Dominion over" gives man a license to hunt them down to extinction.
  • David Allen - 1 year ago
    Please remember me and my daughters Deanna and Jessica and their young families in your prayers today
  • Frankie J - 1 year ago
    David0921

    I haven't forgotten you in Christ

    Jeremiah 31:3
  • Frankie J - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Friend & Friends

    I don't advocate the studing of the letter, for these reasons,

    it's takes away from Holy Spirit as our Teacher

    in the Apostasy in became rely on as God definitive rule to know Him

    it has become a form of knowledge without the power,

    in man's ungenerated nature, he going to naturally reject the suffering of picking up the Cross & denying self.

    Yet, he deceives himself by thinking he can still follow Christ. Pacifying himself with wearing the cross around his neck, along with his beloved sins in his heart.

    With that being said, an a added encouragement it can be a help while we"re in our weaker state, if Holy Spirit is our Teacher & Guide who will lead us into all Truth, again emphasising The Living Word of God heard in our heart, Grace appearance. John 1:9

    In Titus 3:5 "washing of regeneration & renewing in the Holy Spirit" define as

    (spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act), i.e. (figuratively) spiritual renovation; specially, Messianic restoration --"moral renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better" effected in baptism, Commonly, however, the word denotes the restoration of a thing to its pristine state, its renovation, as the renewal or restoration of life after death.

    The death speaking of here is Rom 6:3-6 the consummation of Matt 3:12 being raise in the newness of His Life, "ye must be born again"

    Therefore 2Cor 7:1
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Ge.1:26 "Man"

    "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"

    MOU of the last article carries the divine will, "And God said." is balanced with the Amen part,"and it was so."(v.30)

    In the verse following we have the Spirit writing 'finis'( And behold, etc.,) to the covenant which is without recall. "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."(v.31)



    What is in a man? The Psalmist asks,"What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?"(Ps.8:4)This particular psalm vv.6-8) serves as a commentary to vv.28-30

    Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet." What does the phrase 'the works of thy hands' signify? The animals mentioned, the beasts of the field, the fowls of the air as well as the fish of the sea are all mentioned in the narrative serving man on various occasions. Noah sent a raven to scout after the ark had finally come to settle on the mount Ararat.(Ge.8:4). Raven feeding Elijah is yet another instance. God commands him where he should stay and he does so. "And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there./ So he went and did according unto the word of the Lord: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan./And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning,(1 Ki.17:4-6). By the same token the fish of the sea served the purpose of God. By 'works' the Spirit instructs us of their service in the kingdom of his dear Son.

    Secondly the four beasts as memorial display Christian virtues which are sanctified by Son of man as he walked the earth. "And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle." Re.4:7 Bold as a lion, meek and lowly as a calf, man as the message and prayer life of a flying eagle were in him.
  • Frankie J - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear Ronald

    I rejoice to read & understand more from the thoughts of your heart, the inner workings of God's Spirit within, the sincerity, humility, earnestness & simplicity in which you endeavors to love & obey the Lord. Thank you for sharing yourself.

    Yes God knew, but in all fairness, Adam must have had also the opportunity to obey as we ourselves now have.

    You description of sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience is accurate, but lets finish the verse, "sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus, For His life is in the Blood Lev 17:11,14 it not only cleanses but implants the Divine nature. As we continue steadfastly exercising of the doctrines of Christ, I'm speaking of Grace appearance "the hearing the living Word of God, that's near us even in our heart & in our mouth, the word of Faith that Paul preach, here the power of Life is felt & known, not letter learning. 2Cor 3:6

    Sanctification "making holy" is describe in Titus 3:5 unto the new creature, being born again by this Incorruptible Seed.

    The Light, conforms & transforms unto Himself, in which there is no darkness at all. Eph5:8 "were" past tense.

    The resurrection life is reveal here & now, in ever increasing measures in sanctification work, & is consummated by being baptized in the Holy Spirit, revealed also as being baptize unto His death Rom 6:3-6 the life of the born-again/new creature is the walking in the newness of the resurrection Life of Christ were one is seal & gather to the Gardener, where self is seen no more, its not I but Christ.

    There's two stages we may attain to in our growth in Grace/Life

    Reaching the state of Adam innocents before he fell, where if not diligent/watchful we maybe ensnared again , Yet if one continues as mention in the exercising of the Grace of God, one will be baptizes by the Holy Spirit, "the threshing floor, (our hearts) thoroughly purge". We're born again, dead unto sin, alive & in union with Christ & the Father John 17:21-23 here & now!

    Grace & Peace to you
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Oseas:

    You are correct, at one time I was the son of perdition.

    1 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel, even Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    Have you come to this truth.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Jim Miller - 1 year ago
    Some may not have seen The Passion of the Christ in the theaters. I highly recommend watching The Passion of the Christ!
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 1 year ago
    The exact details of how Jesus was nailed during the crucifixion are a matter of historical debate and interpretation. The Gospels of the New Testament, which are the primary sources for the crucifixion account, do not provide specific anatomical details.

    Traditionally, many artistic representations and depictions of the crucifixion show Jesus nailed through his hands. However, some scholars and medical experts have suggested that crucifixion through the palms of the hands would not have been as effective in supporting the weight of the body on the cross, as the nails could easily rip through the flesh due to the lack of solid support.

    It's worth noting that the Roman practice of crucifixion likely varied over time and in different regions, and the specific methods used may have differed. Some researchers argue that crucifixion victims were more likely to be nailed through the wrists, as this would provide more structural support and reduce the risk of the nails tearing through the flesh. In this view, the term "hands" in the Gospel accounts may have been used more generically to refer to the wrists and the area where the hand meets the forearm.

    Ultimately, the historical evidence is not conclusive, and the precise details of how Jesus Christ the son of God was nailed during the crucifixion may never be definitively known. Different interpretations and beliefs exist on this matter, but the theological significance of the crucifixion is not dependent on the specific anatomical details.

    I would also like to add that NEVER in all of Roman history did anyone ever survive a Roman crucifixion. They were very good at what they did highly trained killers.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Ge. 1 Recap

    Before we tackle the sixth day,- the turnpike moment where God puts the charge of his sovereign grace in the hands of man let us pause for a moment. We need to consider the form of the narrative. The Spirit the third office in Trinity has to compare the like with the like. God is a Spirit entering into a covenant where Fellowship is with 'Man', where the deity of Jesus serves a double function of serving all creation. He is God as well as the 'firstborn of all creation."(Col.1:15b). It also supplies his role as the latter Adam and representation aspect of Jesus Christ.(" For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."-Ro.5:19) For this reason we may boldly consider Adam as a double for the Son.

    It is as though both parties going over the contract, article by article and setting their seal of approval. Thus each day or the article in the everlasting covenant carries a preface, "And God said". The Spirit informs us the Word which was with God in the beginning. The voice of the Lord is full of majesty.(Ps.29:4)." The expression "And God saw that it was good," or "it was so" serves as Amen. Jesus Christ reveals himself to the angel of the church of Laodiceans as 'the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.'(Re.3:14)

    Lastly God blessed His creation which are irrevocable and the narrative mode of the Spirit hereafter is to bring these blessings into open, and with frame of reference to four beasts set as memorials in heaven (Re.4:6-8) and to Jesus Christ, the king of kings so when the angel standing in the sun invites all the fowls in the midair, it is mandatory.(Re.19:17) They are part of His sovereign grace.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Actually, Jimbob,

    The Holy Spirit "shows up" in Genesis 1:2 and elsewhere in the Old Testament. David cried out that God would not take His Holy Spirit from him in Psalm 51:11.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Larryc,

    I also believe the nails were through His hands. John 20:27 seems to indicate hands.

    I have also heard some say the nails were through His wrists. The reason they say this is because of the bone structure. They say that the way the wrist bones form right below the hand, that is the only way a nail would support the weight of the body.

    My thoughts are that they probably tied Him down first before they drove the nails in, but that is just speculation on my part.
  • Oseas - 1 year ago
    About the current END of the time, at July 7, 2020 I opened a tpic in the site of baptistboard, as follow:

    Topic: NATION shall rise against NATION ... G7 will be DISSOLVED?

    Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Oseas3, Jul 7, 2020.

    The END of the World is at door, but is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    G7, and G20, and EU, and UNO, among others Entities, will be DISSOLVED henceforward. Day after day, the happenings of the World will run in this way.

    The heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word were kept in store, reserved unto fire against THIS DAY OF JUDGMENT and perdition of ungodly men.

    Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God - this Lord's Day - , wherein the heavens being on FIRE - it is not material fire - shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    Nevertheless the God's people, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, BE DILIGENT that you may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

    1John 2:v.28 - And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, all may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.

    In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords

    Your fellow in Christ

    Oseas

    #1Oseas3, Jul 7, 2020
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 year ago
    "Rainwalker"

    "You asked: "where might I find that in the Word of God". Well, in the post above where I quoted tghe prophecies of Daniel and JESUS. But JESUS said: (whoso readeth, let him understand:)Matthew.24:15
  • Oseas - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jordyn

    Your thinking is from human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective- Matthew 16:23-23.

    In Romans 5:9 Paul was speaking of the salvation of the wrath, NOT of the salvation of the tribulation. It seems you don't know to distinghish between WRATH and TRIBULATION. When Paul, author of Romans, returned to Lystra, and Iconium and Antioch- Acts 14:22-, he said to the believers to exhort the disciples to continue in the faith, because we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of GOD(as is written in Revelation 11:15-18 and 1 Cor.15:24-26).

    Furthermore, you repetidly say in your post the Father WRATHED against His Son, the Christ, the Messiah, what you are preaching will NEVER happended, GOD the Father NEVER wrathed against His Son, so what you wrote is devilish, in fact is satanic. As was revealed to Isaiah "Surely he -JESUS, the Messiah- hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows, He was WOUNDED for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the CHASTISEMENT WAS UPON HIM (NOT THE WRATH OF THE FATHER AS YOU IN MALIGN SENSE WROTE) and with His stripes we are healed. Yeah, GOD NEVER wrathed against His own Son. By the way, your evil post is a confirmation of what is written the Word of GOD: "he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth"- John 3:31:

    Your interpretation of Scriptures is not different of the man of sin, son of perdition- Genesis 3:1, but equal. GOD forbid us.

    Well, in fact "no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him- Matthew 11:27. It's it.
  • Jimbob - 1 year ago
    The (Holy Ghost) first shows up in the Bible in the New Testament.

    ( Jn 14:26) "But the Comforter, (which is the Holy Ghost), whom the Father will send ((the Father WILL send, this is future)) in my name, he shall teach you all things, ((he SHALL teach you all things, also future tense)) and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    John said the Father (will send) the Holy Ghost.

    ( 1 Cor 2:12-13) v13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    (teacheth) is #1318; it means instructed or objectively communicated by teaching, taught.

    (Holy) is #40; it means sacred, (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, consecrated) (most) holy (one, thing) clean, innocent, PERFECT, pure.

    (Ghost) is #4151; it means a current of air i.e. breath, a spirit, (superhuman) an angel, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Ghost, spirit (-ual, _ually).

    The Holy Ghost instructed or communicated by teaching.

    ( 2 Pet 1:20-21) v20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

    v21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost instructed or communicated by teaching.

    This is speaking of the prophecy that we have today which came to us not by the will of man in 1611, but by the teaching of the Holy Ghost which compares spiritual things with spiritual, instructing He communicates and teaches you all things. That's why the KJB is the pure, preserved words of the LORD, ( Ps 12:6-7) The Words of the LORD are Perfect, Every word is pure ( Proverbs 30:5-6).

    The holy men of God who were moved by the Holy Ghost (was) the translators of the KJB.

    How could anyone possibly see this any other way?

    The Truth should be what matters if we seek it.

    God Bless all who seek His Truth.
  • Larryc - 1 year ago
    Where was Jesus nailed in the hands or wrist? I believe it was his hands. Some say wrist.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey Frankie J,

    Just a question not to offend, just to inspire thought and study. Do you think when God placed Adam in the Garden of Eden and told Adam he could eat from every tree and fruit of the garden but one tree? God declared the end from the beginning do you think He did not know what Adam was going to do?

    I am sorry, but on some subjects, I struggle to convey my understanding. To continue in sin and repentance is not what I was saying and not the way I am living. Daily repentance and obedience are not living in doubt the power of God's forgiveness. It is a daily lifestyle repentance is a way to progress in our sanctification a pattern of life to endure until the end we forsake sin daily not just one time.

    It is through the repentance of all the sins we have done and the glory we give to God through the faith and obedience of Jesus Christ that we can be forgiven. Repentance is the foundation of our lives it is the beginning and the end of our life.

    We can get slack, but we must every day test ourselves that we are walking in the Spirit and are striving to endure until the end and that starts with being obedient and repentant as we have been commanded to do, 1 John 1:9 Luke 13:3 Matt. 4:17 Acts 17:30. We will be absent from the presence of sin when we are glorified at our resurrection.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Ronald.

    You've left a lot of Scripture to cider,

    I can't get through these during the work week.

    I will try this weekend if time permits.

    God bless.
  • Jim Miller - In Reply - 1 year ago
    That isn't a very beneficial attitude to take regarding these very serious spiritual matters. As for women not being impressionable, the retail sector bears women out on how impressionable they are for new fashions, hair styles, makeup, and the rest. Women also tend to lend an ear to other "friends" who might or might not give them all the best advice. These spiritual matters are of no laughing matter I can assure you of that.

    Ephesians 6:12-13 (KJV)

    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."
  • Jim Miller - 1 year ago
    Spiritual gifts, also known as charisms or gifts of the Holy Spirit, are abilities or powers that are believed to be given to individuals by a higher power, such as God, for the purpose of serving others and building up the faith community. While there are various spiritual gifts mentioned in different religious traditions, I'll provide a list of some common spiritual gifts recognized in Christianity:

    1. **Discernment of Spirits:** This gift involves the ability to perceive and understand the spiritual realm, including distinguishing between divine and malevolent influences.

    2. **Prophecy:** The gift of prophecy is the ability to receive and communicate messages from a divine source, often concerning future events or moral guidance.

    3. **Wisdom:** Those with the gift of wisdom have a deep understanding of spiritual truths and can apply this knowledge to practical situations.

    4. **Knowledge:** This gift involves a profound comprehension of spiritual and theological matters, often coupled with the ability to impart this knowledge to others.

    5. **Faith:** Individuals with the gift of faith have an unwavering trust in God and can inspire others to trust in divine providence.

    6. **Healing:** This gift allows individuals to serve as instruments through which God can bring physical, emotional, or spiritual healing to others.

    7. **Miracles:** Those with the gift of miracles can perform supernatural acts that go beyond the natural laws, often to strengthen the faith of others.

    8. **Tongues (Speaking in Tongues):** This gift involves speaking in a language unknown to the speaker, which may require interpretation for the benefit of others.

    9. **Interpretation of Tongues:** This gift complements the gift of tongues by allowing individuals to interpret the messages spoken in tongues for the edification of the community.

    10. **Helps or Service:** This gift involves assisting and serving others with a willing heart and a sens
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Jordyn.

    I guess we differ on what we consider to be free will. I believe that our free will is still intact, but because of the sinful nature it is corrupted and depraved of being able to choose good without the grace of God. Each person uses their free will whenever they sin.

    In the case of the of the Amorites, they continued to choose rebellion against God without repentance. God is omniscient and he foreknew the wickedness of the Amorites and when their degree of sin will be at its full (at the time of the Israelites coming back to Canaan) Just because God foreknew this doesn't mean that the Amorites did not have free will to continue to sin against God. It seems that you have surmised this to be the case. God does direct history to accomplish His purposes and will, not because He forces some to be wicked and others to be favored, but because He knows all things and is also all powerful. He can cause events to happen in order to fulfill His purposes, but He does not choose sin for anyone. He allows it to occur, and in His foreknowledge, brings together the people and events to bring judgment on the wicked or blessing on the favored.

    As a side note, Jordyn, excuse me if I am wrong. But your writing sounds a lot like Brother Earl. Is this Earl once again under a new screen name? It is o.k. if it is. I don't mind. Just wondering.
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Very encouraging and uplifting , thank you , much love in Christ .
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hahahaha nervous and impressionable ! Hahahaha , he's not met me or any woman I've ever met ! Thanks for that good giggle :) .
  • Frankie J - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Ronald

    Adam's transgression as simple as it appears in human thought, got us in to this whole mess, This reveals to us God's utter abhorrence of the least sin, what would happen to you, & others of like faith, if y'all suddenly get kill, before having a chance to repented & repentance be actually granted?

    The godly fruit of repentance that God is looking for here is a forsaking of sin, with a utter abhorrence of it. This is the change of mind that is birth with a godly sorrow within the hearts & minds of mankind by His Spirit.

    To continue in sin & repentance for life is liken to this true proverb 2Pet 2:22 the expression of the context Peter is relating is once cleansed, thoroughly purged, & being born again, one is dead indeed unto sin.

    Another point of this proverb is the one's that continue back & forth in sin & supposedly repents as a way of life has never been born again, nor transformed, "old things has not pass away, all things has not become new" so, their still pigs or dogs & will continue to do naturally what pigs & dogs do.

    The deceitfulness of sin has him ensnared, their continue disobedience has dull their hearing & blinded their senses, one's faith is a lie, despite their profession, their confessions & sinful works declares their hypocrites. Satan power is so great that he can remove the condemnation & yet the cause of it, one's spiritual sinful nature is not crucify on the Cross of self denial, nor can one say their following Christ. "following Christ" is the great emphasis of Christ command here, for if we're following Christ, we will not continue in sin as a way of life. There a time when Holy Spirit find us in sin, a time of cleansing, & a time of being seal & gathered to the Gardner. Matt 3:12

    1Pet 4:1 common sense reveals we must still be living in the flesh for this to take place.

    In the Seed
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Sister GiGI:

    I am not you adversary, just a living stone, as are you, in the HOUSE God BUILT.

    You comments in first two paragraphs were DEAD ON, GOD'S PURPOSE, being fulfilled.

    Yet, in your third paragraph, you attribute the demise of the Amorites to THEIR FREE WILL, instead of GOD'S PURPOSE.

    Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things FOR HIMSELF, yea, EVEN the WICKED for the day of evil.

    They had no FREE WILL to do anything other than the APPOINTED WILL of GOD.

    Romans 9:17 For the scriptures SAITH UNTO PHARAOH, for this PURPOSE have I raised you up ......

    Isaiah 44:8 That saith of Cyrus, you are my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure .....

    Amazing to think about all these things.

    In LOVE, for the truth God has PURPOSED for us.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    S Spencer,

    Part 2

    This we must do for the rest of our lives, to live in repentance and obedience walking in the Spirit, not in this world. We must include these scriptures that show during our life and be sanctified one can fail, fall away whatever we want to call it, Heb. 3:12-13 1 John 1:7 2 Peter 2:20 we are told to keep ourselves Jude 21 If we hold fast the confidence, Heb. 3:6 If we faint not, Gal. 6:9 If ye continue in the faith, Col. 1:23 If ye do these things, 2 Peter 1:10, Paul said this about himself 1 Cor. 9:25-27.

    Do we err when we say I was saved on whatever date when we should say my salvation started and I was justified made righteous, and I am now walking in the Spirit of God looking for the day I will be glorified when My Savior Jesus Christ returns and I will be like Him and as long as I breathe I will continue to walk in the Spirit of God as I am sanctified to be made perfect as My Lord Jesus is perfect? We must, every day be obedient and ask for forgiveness and guidance to keep going for the goal.

    When are we saved is it when we accept Jesus as our Savior, if then do we overlook we must endure until the end. We must have the earnest/downpayment of the Spirit 2 Cor. 5:5, a downpayment for the final purchase when Jesus returns to claim His elect. We must know and realize that for whom the downpayment has been placed it must be intact when Jesus returns. We must endure until the end. Matt. 10:22 Matt. 24:13 John 6:27 As Abraham Heb. 6:13-16 James 1:12

    I wish I could explain this better; I feel I have come up short, but I feel those who believe when walking down the aisle and confess they believe in Jesus they have a nonrefundable ticket to eternity, that is wrong.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Richard, Hello again,

    I wanted to respond to your request for topics. I often try to think of topics that I would like to see discussed here, but often do not come up with anything for myself. This is why I often do not begin threads (except commenting on the OT readings I been working through). I like it when others begin conversations here and I prefer to read some responses before I chime in. I would rather have someone else speak some of what I am thinking than myself because I know that I am very "wordy" and thorough. So, I want to leave it up to others to contribute much of the time so that I don't write what others may be thinking. I would rather they have first chance at speaking.

    So, I do not have any topics to suggest to you. For me, if I were to choose topics, my heart normally goes to the attributes and character of God, the person and work of Jesus, how the Holy Spirit works in us, and the wonders of the life to come. If we grow in our knowledge and understanding of these doctrines (Scriptural truths) then we can mature in our faith and hope in God who is the true object of our devotion, worship, and motivation for living godly lives in this sinful world.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey S Spencer,

    Part one.

    Thank you, brother, we will continue in love and respect that we both will grow.

    This is not an easy subject, and we must not let it divide. The one thing that concerns me is some can take this subject to mean they can never lose their salvation regardless. Some say that if a person reverts to sin again, they were never saved to begin with. I am saddened that I may not clearly explain my understanding of this.

    Salvation is a process beginning with justification then sanctification and ending with glorification when we are resurrected and we shall be like Him 1 John 3:2, this is our hope.

    It is not a percentage of the sins we commit; it is all our sins that will be blotted out. My understanding is salvation is a gift from God's grace, Eph. 2:8, We cannot earn this gift, but we must receive it according to God's terms.

    Acts 2:37-41 is this works? No, we acknowledge our faith that Jesus was sacrificed, and His blood was shed for the remission of our sins, and we choose to be obedient in repenting of our sins. It is the same obedience as Abraham when God told him to pick up and leave his country Abraham departed and Abraham was asked to do more and he did in faith and belief in God, Rom. 4:3.

    When we obey and repent of our sins we are justified, justification made righteous through the blood of Jesus 2 Cor. 5:21 Rom. 5:1-2. We move into sanctification through the Spirit of God when we are growing in the Lord. The ongoing work of God through the Spirit in our lives into the image of His Son Jesus Christ. Heb. 10:14 We are being made perfect daily by faith we strive to overcome our imperfections.

    See part two.


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