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Hi Raincloud, how are your eyes? I also had cataract surgery a few years ago and everything went well. I still have to have reading glasses but I'm not complaining! lol God bless you

The interpretation of theological and spiritual matters can vary among individuals and religious denominations. The passage you mentioned from 1 Timothy 6:16 is indeed a biblical verse, and different people may interpret it differently based on their religious beliefs and theological understanding.

In the context of the verse, it is stated that God alone possesses eternal or immortal life. This can be seen as a reminder of God's unique and divine nature. The idea that believers are spiritually saved and receive eternal life through their faith in Christ is a common Christian belief.

The concept of being "physically saved" or "spiritually saved" can be a matter of theological interpretation. Some Christians may emphasize the spiritual aspect of salvation, emphasizing the forgiveness of sins and the promise of eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ, while others may also consider the physical well-being and safety of believers.

The notion of believers being spiritually "married" or united with Christ is also a theological concept found in Christian traditions. It signifies a close and personal relationship between believers and Jesus, often described metaphorically as a marriage. This spiritual union is believed to bring about transformation and a new way of living for the believer, yet the explanation doesn't absolve you from your original blasphemous post. There you attempted to use the metaphoric marriage union with Christ in an attempt to undermine Ephesians 5:22-25 which addresses the ROLES and RESPONSIBIlITIES of husbands and wives within marriage union, using the metaphor of Christ and the Church to illustrate these roles, but this metaphor doesn't change the SPECIFIC COMMANDS for the husband and wife within the marital relationships. It would render Ehesisans 5:22-25 to no effect.

Jordyn wrote:

>The word says you are the WIFE of Christ, so these scripture of a wife submitting to her HUSBAND apply as much to you as to any earthly wife.

Lord Jesus please fight our battles and give us the victory. Lord please grant healing, deliverance and most importantly salvation. I ask for strong protection and guidance. Change us, change our hearts and minds. Help us to live in a manner pleasing to you. I ask this for us and all in need. And Lord while I'm here on this retreat on my own please meet me here. I need you, I need to hear from you. Thank you Lord. I pray in your holy name. Amen.

AMEN and AMEN. Thank you Pnovello. Father I know Pnovello is here praying for others but also needing your help, your touch. Please grant your grace and mercy and help exceedingly, abundantly. You told us in your word in 2. Cor. that we will receive comfort so we can also comfort others. Send relief, send comfort. Thank you Lord. Amen

Heavenly Father, I pray for Elliux2. Father God Your child whom You love needs healing. I pray that every cell function as it should. Every organ be healthy. Father God, stretch forth Your hand and make Your child whole again. Heal Elliux2's heart, soul, mind, spirit, memory, emotions, and body in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ. God bless you Elliux2 from your sister in Christ. Amen

Oseas, that's kinda my point, where is this 7 year trib?

Sister Jema:

I am going to be gone all day, I will respond to you when I get home tonight.

God Bless YOU!

OK cool just sounded weird when you read flesh. Just wanted to make sure.

I suppose could also have been some sort of meat from other animals too.

But Thanks for the feed back.

Jim

There's a reason for all of this that you have very accurately articulated,

it's the Harlot, the false church, present day Christianity, worldwide, Rev 17:5 the apostasy spoken of in Rev 1, 2 & 3 which ripen & matured with the Roman Catholic's, then as the reformation started tearing down the darkness of popery, they, the protestant did not perfect it, but adulterated themselves with the kings of the earth, the Catholic's the mother, the protestant & all other sects but one, are the Harlots describe here, & then in time, that one also went into apostasy Rev 17:4 all forms of godliness without the Power, some more refine and subtlety dress then others, making a big show of Christian character, works & airy knowledge, but its all from the letter, learnt from the teaching & doctrine of men, in the art of science, as one would any other profession. They practice what the Apostles wrote of, who were lead by the Spirit to do it, but they don't do what the Apostles did in following the dictates of the Spirit which lead the Apostles to do it, Rom 8:14, but follows the learning from the letter & duplicate what they learn & believe they're being lead by the Spirit. NOT !

The Substance is not known here, then they are other that are outright perverted as it is this day.

Yet, God in His longsuffering love has a people within her, whom in Rev 18: calls out "come out of her My people, less you partake of her sins & plagues.

Friends, these are weighty & eternal matters here, let us continue to consider what spiritual state we're truly in, personally & worldwide.

Who will heed His Call, separated themselves from these Harlot's & Abominations of the earth?

The trumpet is sounding, Awake, Awake My Beloved ones, come out of her!

in love & truth

Hi Ronald

Well said,

I would add to your statement of Paul in 1Cor 9:27

Though Romans is place before Cor in the bible, it was actually written after Cor

In Pauls ever increasing growth in the Grace in the Lord Jesus Christ, Grace brought him to the perfection, maturity, & confidence that he states in Rom 8:35-39

only sin separates

This clearly show a perfection that can be added too, as we continue steadfastly to grow in Grace until the end 2Tim 4:7

this is the reason he states in Philippians 3:12 & then in Philippians 3:15 it was a contradiction of truths, but that he learnt

John 15:5 & Philippians 4:13 Humility, Micah 6:8

We have the Scriptures as a testimony of Paul's extra ordinary life, all owning to Grace, 1Cor 15:10

God is not a respector of persons, though He does have different placement within His body, yet all are required to be holy!

Grace & Peace to you

I need a prayer for a job. I am a 42 year old male and unemployed. I have been unemployed since July 2022.

Correction

Re the post titled 'Life Abundant' Ge.1:20-23)

please read the last part as

The 'moving creature' as species shall move from the land to become marine creatures vice versa. These dynamics owe to the quality life, which is an expression of divine holiness. In naming the earth separation of light from darkness such migrations did not injure the quality of life. In the pitch darkness of the depths marine creatures live as freely as land animals spread out in the dark foraging for food. It also throws up a great scriptural truth. "For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich."(2 Co.8:9) Joseph was deprived of his parental home and in becoming the savior of the nation of Israel, the Spirit instructs us in terms of life 'the lame shall take the prey.' God made his Son an example."

Ge.1:20-23 "Life Abundant"



"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

Referring the earth from the Psalm quote, "The fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein" belongs to God. He established it upon the floods which highlights the divine Will, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly.'The key word is life. Jesus coming to the word revealed the will of his Father, " I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."( John 10:10-KJ21; Ps.24:1-2) God by dividing light from darkness is leading us to the quality of His name. He called the dry land, earth "and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas." Separation of light and darkness is in His will serves a purpose; by the same purpose what shall we make of his command, 'Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life' ? It is held together in his Son. "And by him all things consist." (Col.1:17) "The 'moving creature' as species shall move from the land to become marine creatures vice versa. These dynamics owe to the quality life which is an expression of divine holiness. In naming the earth separation of light from darkness such migrations did not injure the quality of life. In the pitch darkness of the depth marine creature live as freely as land animal spread out in the dark foraging for food. It also throws up a great scriptural truth. "For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich."(2 Co.8:9) Joseph was deprived of his parental home and in becoming the savior of his name the Spirit instructs us in terms of life the lame shall take the prey.' God made his Son an example.

Salvation in this case would be salvation of the body; new and incorruptible. The Spirit is the Holy Spirit who is with us UNTIL the end of the age ( Matt. 28:20).

I will mention that the remnant was 7000 out of all the Jews at that time. We see that principle with only Joshua and Caleb out of the whole generation making it into the Promised Land; Moses of course was saved but his behavior at one time kept him out.

We see also the principle of some receiving the crown or crowns for specific acts when on earth. Let us face it not everyone runs for the prize; some make it into heaven as through the fire ( 1 Cor. 3:15). Christ Himself turned away some would be disciples who didn't want to count the cost. It is possible of course to amend our ways; Christ purges more to sanctify us. There are certainly variations as to how much fruit we have; 30 fold; 50 fold; 100 fold. We can just look around to see those who are undistracted and have their lives balanced; those who are on fire for Christ we should be discerning to recognize. We all struggle with sin there is no doubt; some who claim to be believers aren't even saved while others are in various levels of maturity.

Again not a point to argue about. God can use death in order to prematurely end a life (see 1 Corinthians 11:30) where MANY sleep because they have taken communion unworthily. There are also verses in Corinthians about the body in 1 Corinthians 5:5 where God allows someone to die or get near it to preserve the soul; in other words perhaps they would have been lost if this hadn't happened because they would go so deep in sin as to be reprobate; that is only a theory.

These verses should help clarify as to where many are; and that not everyone gains the same reward just as the other principle that some suffer more in hell (see Matthew 11:21).

Agape; Rich P

Dear Jema: Judging by all the criticism it seems I have hit a nerve with many people. As for your question; if I didn't believe in the literal physical return of Christ then I'd be a heretic; or what is known as a "full Preterist." It seems one of my responses is indicating that Christ has already returned. I'll leave it up to the forum here as to my opinion on the subject-as for that i feel the line has to be drawn as to what is clearly spurious doctrine; for 2 Thessalonians 2:2 makes it clear this has not happened. As to the Rapture and such I would never disfellowship over that issue unless such contention came up when someone asks my opinion that I feel the Lord's will won't be done in communicating His Word.

I hope you have noticed that the Word is something and really the only thing that I constantly quote. Any reasonable conversation relies on it. I have discussed the subject of the Rapture before with numerous references from the New and Old Testament; with the basic principle being that God delivers from as well as through certain things. Such is the typology of Enoch and Elijah who were translated as opposed to Lot who escaped just as judgment came. My basic premise is that it is one thing to die as martyrs now and we CERTAINLY need to be cognizant of that fact as something such as the brave girl who was martyred at Sandy Run that it is coming here. The only thing different in the Tribulation is how demonic entities and God's judgments (which ARE immediately upon opening the Seal Judgments which only CHRIST HIMSELF can open) manifest. And as I've stated before the gates of hell will not prevail against the church at present but the saints WILL be overcome in the Tribulation. I will let you look up the verses as I have quoted them often. The worst time in human history ( Matthew 24:21) is something we haven't seen yet when Satan is allowed temporary control over the whole earth; God has to shorten the days or no one survives ( Mark 13:20).

Bibleman, I will pray for you.

Dear Heavenly Father, we come to You in the name of Jesus asking that You will bring Bibleman to a church fellowship that will be biblically sound, friendly, caring, and a place for him to grow strong in the Lord. We ask of You that this church be close to where he is living so that he can get there without need readily. We ask that you provide a person from this fellowship that can be faithful in giving Bibleman a ride to and from services. We pray that this pastor will be a true teacher of the Word, compassionate towards those who attend, and eager to help those in need. We pray that He remain strong against worldliness in the fellowship, preach rightly concerning the gospel and doctrines that are true to the Scriptures. We pray that He will not waver into compromise. Protect this pastor from influences that deter him from administering His duties as a pastor and those that would be a discouragement to him. Keep him and his family in love and devotion to one another.

We pray that You will not let error enter into this church. Protect it from heresy and biblical compromise. Have the members be as the Bereans, checking all that is proclaimed to the Scriptures, willing to speak to what is not in accord with Your Word in brotherly love. Keep the focus of these members and the pastor on our Lord and Savior and His redemptive work. Direct their minds to Your greatness and holiness, Your mercy and grace, Your love and kindness, Your judgment on sin and unbelief, Your sovereignty and power, Your unchanging character and righteousness, and Your faithfulness and power to keep those You've chosen for salvation in the faith and in right relationship with You.

We pray that Bibleman will soon be able to join this fellowship and be richly blessed in the fellowship of these believers. We ask You, Father, that he will fit in with those in this fellowship and build strong, deep freindships there. We ask you, Father, these petitions. Amen.

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."(v.16)

God willed 'that in him should all fulness dwell'. This being the case the greater light and the lesser light are not about the sun and the moon in their natural context, but signifying the Father-Son relationship. " All things were created by him, and for him."(Col.1:15-19) In him was life and the day and night mentioned in the verse is with regards to the life forms, to which we shall come anon. Wellbeing of nocturnal or diurnal creatures belong to the Son. "The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein./For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods."(Ps.24:1-2) Full significance of the Psalm quote we shall examine when we consider the fifth day.(vv.20-23)

The sun the moon and the stars serve double function as signs and as token of theodicy. (Re.21:25b) His throne is an emblem,"The Lord has established His throne in heaven,/And His kingdom rules over all." (Ps.103:19-NKJV). The evening and the morning were the fourth day and sequence His sovereignty leads us to the end times where the throne of God and of the Lamb (Re.22:1)present the same emblem of the greater light and the lesser light. The Spirit repeats in v.15 and v.17 the expression

"to give light upon the earth" which out to give us an indication that Bible is organized from both the standpoint of the Father and of the Son. There are only two worlds framed by the word of God which can only be understood by faith. The same faith that establishes the Father Son relationship. 'I come to do thy will' presents the will of the Father on one part and fulfilment on the other. There is no other. Faith is one.

I know how you feel and I'm sorry for you . I also hate it when a Bible class is more of a social occasion than an oppertunity to learn , so many church services seem to be more like get- togethers than real religious experiences :( .

please remember me and my family in your prayers

Ge.1:14-15 "To light upon the earth"

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so."

The Spirit sets the holiness which is an abstract quality in terms of the earth. Jesus Christ the visible image of the invisible God serves as a sign. It is for this reason he is called the sun of righteousness. "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."(Mal.4:2) This specific quote is about the judgement as the prophet speaks in the preceding verse of it, the day appointed for "And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble", and the sun itself shall establish what God had intended when he commanded, "Fiat Lux". It was a sign for the Son the true Light. "And the city had o need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."(Re.21:23). God in his mercies has set in the heart of man the necessity of doing what is right while there is time. The Preacher speaks of time as set in heart of man. "He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end."(Ec.3:11) The only way any man can find out the work of God it is to believe in the Son who is the sun of righteousness.(John6:28-28)What is the test of children of light? The word of God is clear:"But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."(John3:21) God set the sun as a sign.

"I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.(Ec.3:17,1)

I do understand , that when we humans , look for the Truth and find it , in the Bible , when we look for our God and find Him and accept the Truth , that Christ is revealed to us and lives in our hearts , I get that totally . I understand that He knocks and we open and enter and He comes into our hearts , is this really the 'second coming '? Do you not believe that Christ is going to return to earth , physically and be the Head of God's Kingdom on Earth and destroy all the kingdoms of men forever ? Please , tell me what you believe about the physical return of Christ to earth to be King in the New Jerusalem ? I so want to hear what you have to say about this please . My reason for living is that Christ is going to rend the clouds and save us all from ourselves and each other and cleanse the earth .

Requesting prayer for physical and emotional healing.

Thank you for your prayers!

Hi Richard,

If pretrib believers be correct, then those of us that believe Jesus returns in the clouds "after"the tribulation..it would be a nice surprise. However, should post trib believers be correct, then pretrib believers will be caught off guard, possibly being deceived by the anti christ, and/ or being unprepared, will suffer great consequence.

Read Matthew 24. And specifically verses 29-30. These are Jesus' very words when asked about the end times. He specifically says that AFTER the tribulation the sun and moon are darkened and that the son of man appears coming in the clouds.

No where does the Bible say that the elect (believers or the saved) will not suffer tribulation. In fact it tells us that the elect WILL suffer tribulation verse 9. Do not mistake or confuse "tribulation"with "Gods wrath". They are not the same.

Jimbob explains it well. And I agree pretrib is one of the greatest deceptions of our times.

Gods Word is True, Jesus is the Truth

When we abide in the Christian doctrine, we give PROOF of the REALITY of our FAITH. Without our righteousness, we will also suffer the loss of opportunity to glorify God. When thinking or behaving unrighteously, we violate our reason for existence, which is to glorify God in everything ( 1Co 10:31). Instead of exalting Him, we bring reproach on His name. Instead of causing others to see our good works and glorify our Father in Heaven ( Mt 5:16), we breed confusion and mockery among unbelievers and we become further obstacles to their salvation.

Richard H Priday

There are two truly important subjects that many people get wrong on this site, and the pre-tribulation rapture is one of them Richard. I don't mean to offend here but there are no scriptures to support Jesus Christ Coming in the clouds (before) the tribulation.

Noone should ever believe in something this important because it's what they've been taught from other men, but sadly many today are doing just that.

Would you mind please showing us using scripture the reason you believe Jesus comes back in the clouds (before) the tribulation period?

Please don't just read this but think about this. The Truth matters always, but in this case, if there is no rapture (before) the tribulation many pre-trib rapture believers would be deceived by the anti-christ when he sits in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God, he will shew great signs and wonders, in another verse it says with all power and signs and lying wonders. This will be a time of great DECEPTION!

Many people will be deceived by him and believe he is Jesus Christ.

This is a very important part of scripture to see Truth before its to late. And by the looks of things in this world right now, that's going to be really soon.

Blessings to you Richard.

"Rainwalker

Your thinking is from a human perspective,not from GOD's perspective. JESUS said: Luke 21:24-And they(the Jews-Israel)shall fall by the edge of the sword,and shall be led away captive into all nations(this part of the verse literally fulfilled against Israel, from 70 to 1948, 1878 years of severe curses and punishments,and plagues- Deuteronomy 28:15-63):and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles(this part of prophecy will literally fulfill in days to come,also according to the Revelation 11:2)until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:15 -When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet( Daniel 12:6-12),stand in the holy place,(whoso readeth,let him understand)

Daniel 12:6-12

6And one said to the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7And I heard the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven,and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time,times,and an half;and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people,all these things shall be finished.

8And I heard,but I understood not:then said I,O my Lord,what shall be the end of these things?

9And he said,Go thy way,Daniel:for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the END.

10Many shall be PURIFIED,and made WHITE,and TRIED;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Jesus' sacrifice has already lasted 738,300 days,and now will be taken away),and the abomination that maketh desolate set up(in the midst of the last week of years),there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.(END of this current world of Devil)

12Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Brother Jim:

One is not spiritually saved, one is physically save.

Your saved from DEATH, the gift of God is eternal (IMMORTAL) LIFE.

1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTAL LIFE----your physically married (made ONE) with Christ.

God BLESS YOU!

Rainwater:

You are correct, there is no 7 year great tribulation; the word does tell us, the great tribulation lasted from the time Christ entered the garden till he DIED on the cross.

God Bless YOU!

Brother Richard:

Christ has already come the second time, as a thief in the night, you don't see the thief?

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered for the SINS of many, and to those who look for him he shall APPEAR THE SECOND TIME without SIN unto SALVATION.

John 16:7 For I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter WILL NOT COME unto you, but if I depart, I will sent him to you.

John 15:26 ....but when the Comforter IS COME ....... even the SPIRIT of TRUTH ..... he will testify of me ......

Colossians 1:27 ..... this mystery ..... Christ ON YOU ......

God Bless YOU!