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Folks;

In 1Pet 2:24 we have Holy Spirit summing up Christ redemptive work of our complete deliverance from sin.;

" by who's stripes we are healed"

Directly relating to Isa 53, the whole chapter reveals Christ redemptive work from the bondage & slavery of sin.

"wounded for our transgressions, bruise for our iniquities, chastisement of our peace was upon Him, by whom stripes we are healed.

The healing spoken of here in context with both scriptures refer to the spiritual sinful nature we all inherited from Adam disobedience. It was a spiritual matter that manifested itself in his spirit & soul & fulfill in his flesh. Rom 6:16

Hebrews 10:1,2 the expression of the words " the good things to come" "once purged would have no remembrance of sin"

Indicating a sinless state, being made partakers of His divine nature, being thoroughly cleansed by washing of the Water of the WORD, partaking of Christ Blood & Flesh, His Grace / Light appearance 2Cor 4:6,7 exercising this glory & knowledge of God that comes to us in the Face of God Son, the free gift of Word of Righteousness Rom 5:17 / Word of Faith Rom 10:8 via, the Revelation of Christ to each individual soul.

Hebrew 10:26-29

I ask you, have the Spirit of Grace / Light convicted you of a sin or sins, & you having heard His Voice who speaks from heaven, your still being overcome by satan? By continuing in sin, has His Voice which you once heard strongly, has it weaken or are you to the point where He's not heard anymore within conscience, the still small Voice not there troubling you by you having not esteeming Him Isa 53:3 in His 2nd appearances which is Spirit within your heart bringing you the words of eternal salvation, Hebrew 9:28?

Christ came to destroy the works of the devil & the devil work is the temptations to sin, the temptation is the spirit of satan manifesting himself /revealing his will within our hearts, The Grace of God is also the Cross, the Power of God unto salvation appearance within

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, that we must pickup, teaching us to deny these ungodly & worldly lust, & pleasures of this world, which spring up within us & also instructs us in works of righteousness unto holiness this is Christ Spirit / Grace / Light appearance in us to combat the spirits of darkness that appears. Ephesians 6:12 it not without only, Jesus says it's within our hearts Matt 15:19 2Cor 10:5,6

Friends

Awake to Righteousness & in time through the exercising of Him, the Grace of God, you'll sin not & be conformed to His Image

For He only become Hebrews 5:9

Are have you been deceived by those Paul warned us about in

2 Timothy 4:3,4 Jude 1:4 Believing against Scriptural Truth, that turn the Grace of God into wantonness, that you can live a life of sin & iniquity & have a faith that never overcome satan, & still be born again, Spirit baptized, & a light that set upon a hill, if this be true of you, your in the Apostasy, the deceitfulness of sin/satan has ensnare you. 2 Thess 2:10-12 is fulfilling upon you, your faith is a lie, John 3:18-20 Rom 1:25

Friends,

The working out of our salvation, the sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience, washing of regeneration & renewing of the Holy Ghost is on this side of the grave. What spiritual state we're in when we die, is the state we will be judge in! & if the 1Pet 4:18 be not decieived, 1John 3:7,8,11

I've spoken this to many people, their response is 'that God is loving, gracious & merciful" very true, that why He sent His only begotten Son to provide a Way, through His Grace & Mercy to overcome the devil & become more than conquerors, through Him that loves us,. This is the whole revelation of the better Covenant, build on better promises, Grace & Mercy takes us out of sin, it's the Rom 8:2 it doesn't leave us in our sins, to pacifying us, saying Oh it's ok we know you can't be perfect, the lie.

Friends

For the sake of God's great love wherewith He has demonstrated in sending His Son, consider your state 2Cor 13:5

God Bless You too. Glory be to God,

Ze.11 14

"Thirty Pieces of Silver"

Joseph was sold by his brethren out of envy and sheer perversity of spirit. (Ge.37:28) The Spirit sets their wickedness to God and his father who is the heir of promise as twenty pieces of silver. (2X10). In the case of the Son the command number 3 applies. Thus his 'brethren' moved by the same spirit covenants with Judas Iscariot to betray Jesus, the Good Shepherd. What was his worth we have in the vision of Daniel.

"And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed".(Dan.7:14).

God says 'My ways are not your ways"(Is.55:8-9) The foolish shepherds sitting in the seat of Moses were a law unto themselves.

"And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver./And theLordsaid unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of theLord." (Ze.12-14)

From this transaction the high priests and elders entered with Judas was between foolish shepherds who has had no pity for the poor of the flock and the son of perdition. Is it not true even in our times?

God Morning Adam, glad to hear from you. I was thinking of you this week since you haven't posted much in the past few weeks.

You are right, Dan and I are closer in thought than it seems. I would never advocate anyone to keep on sinning because of the grace we have in Christ, nor would I minimize what is sinful as inconsequential. I realize there are some pastors and believers who seem to do so, but I am not one of them.

As a believer, I think it is important to be careful about the "company we keep" so that we will not loosen our resolve to live in obedience to God. Paul warns us in 1 Cor. 15:33 that bad company corrupts our character. Those who we spend much time with or have as teachers over us should not have a lax view of sin and an imbalanced view of grace that excuses sinful behavior.

Of course, we cannot avoid everyone else because we are to be a light to others. But we are not to be influenced for evil by such people.

Adam, thank for adding to this discussion. Perhaps Bro Dan misunderstood me or just wanted to emphasize another aspect of this topic. I am good with that.

I hope to hear more from you more often, Adam.

Ze.14:10

"From Geba to Rimmon"

All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

Compare Geba to Rimmon with this expression very familiar in Israel. "From Geba to Beersheba" expressed the whole extent of the kingdom of Judah, just as "from Dan to Beersheba" described the whole length of Palestine. Here the Spirit is giving us new coordinates since the traditional site of Jerusalem has ben elevated and significance of places also do shift. This change owes to a cataclysmic earthquake to which we referred in the earlier post under the title "The Elevated Site.

Geba is a hill , a Levitical city given to the tribe of Benjamin. Whereas Rimmon once again is associated with the tribe and it marks the rock into which the remnant of 600 Benjamites fled.(Jud.20:45). Seven thousand of them were slain meaning the tribe had been to all intent and purpose was annihilated. This 600 is a remnant and it also applies to the nation of Israel. When Jerusalem is ransacked totally, leaves yet 'and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city."(14:2). This is how God has willed and it was shown out true in the case the tribe of Benjamin. So shall be with the nation of Israel. Only they shall be brought into the body of Christ through much tribulation.

The remnant of the Tribe of Benjamin found a rock to hide themselves. But when the Day of wrath there shall be no escape. "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."(Re.5:14-17)

Ze.14:9-11 (1 of 2)

"Universal Peace"

"And theLordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be oneLord, and his name one."

The Lord God is one to which there is no dispute. The Spirit establishes in the vision of Daniel his status. He is the sovereign Lord,- the Ancient of Days who confers dominion to the Man. "

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him./And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."(Dan.7:13-14)

Jesus is the Son of man who dwelt among us and he was in a human likeness but with a divine mandate. John 3:16. God sent his Son to the earth whom we received as our Savior. The vision of the golden candlestick (Ch.4). The Spirit established position of man in relation of the Ancient of Days. The candlestick is 'Christ in us' and the two anointed ones in the two olive trees are spirit (12:1) and soul, both from God. Thus we are fellow-laborers with the risen Christ. We are anointed consequently "that stand by theLordof the whole earth. "(4:14). If so what has activism of the Evangelicals to do with us? We cannot hunt with dogs as well as run with hares. We are to stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

The day of Regeneration must come when he comes int his dominion, the kingdom of his dear Son. "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power./For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet./The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death".(1 Co.15:24-26)

There is another day in which God may be in us all. That sets the Fellowship of God with Man an eternal verity.

Hellon Rainwalker.

By he way me too enjoy walking in the rain.

The grk "pneuma" apart from "breath" and "spirit" it also means "wind". The ancient greeks used the word Pneuma with various other meanings such as, soul, mind, personality, life, that is the immaterial part of a man.

But I would like to know what it means in anc. Hebrew. So if somebody knows they are welcome.

Hello Jema

In my congregation women only put their cover on when they want to pray during praying time, or during the preaching if they wish to pray with their mind but not during the whole congregation if they don't wish so. The scripture clearly says to be covered only when praying or prophesying. Also woman can not be Pastors, Elders, Deacons, Ministers. During Bible classes which are not considered formal congregations all women participate together with the men.

And you are right, "We must not shame each other publicly, men or women it doesn't make a difference."

GBU

In my congregation , all ladies cover their heads during congregational services , including our weekly Bible class , during which women are not permitted to speak . Once the meeting has been officially closed by a brother saying the closing prayer , ladies remove their headscarves and free discussion of biblical matters , between men and women is permitted . We cannot ignore the fact that many women know much more about the Bible than some men . Personally , I'm very glad that I am not able to speak during congregational meetings . So many times I have heard a brother say erroneous things , if I had been able to correct him publicly I might have been tempted to do so and for sure I would have regretted doing so afterwards . I would hate to shame any brother or sister , regarding their lack of biblical understanding , publicly . I would never forgive myself , so I am in fact grateful , yes I said and mean grateful , that the option and opertunity to do so , is removed from me ! I do not trust myself to keep my mouth shut :) . So our congregation rules on this matter keep me from shaming any brother , who doesn't know what he is talking about , publicly . I am protected from sinning against him and he is protected from me shaming him publicly . I think that's a good thing . I can always have a quiet , respectful word with him later in private or better still , speak to an understanding brother , explain my thoughts and feelings to him and get him to mention it to the brother who may have made a mistake . We must not shame each other publicly , men or women it doesn't make a difference .

Hello Jemma

As there is an order/hierarchy in a state, as there is an order/hierarchy in the church, similarly there is an hierarchy in a house. The President/Prime Minister of a country is not superior to any other citizen of that country, there are all equal before the Law. But their jobs are different. The Pastor of a church is not loved more by Jesus than the rest, he is not better from any other person in the congregation But his job is different from the rest.

Hi Jordyn

You are absolutely right. There are obligations to both sides. But if one of them don't keep those obligations, the other side is not exluded from keeping them. Everybody will be judged for his/her own works, not for the others'. GBU

May I ask you a personal question ? You don't have to answer and I shall not be offended if you don't , what denomination are you please ?

Jim , we are all one in Christ , equally responsible , equally loved . Galatians Ch 3 V 26-29 .

Amen to that !

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Ze.11:11-14

"Give me my price"

"And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of theLord."

The word of the Lord as we see in the Gospel of St Matthew gave the poor huddled masses great expectations. Whence did come that 'foreknowledge' yet when there were no visible proof? Let us see how a great wave rolled over them. Matt.4:12-16. "Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum",God sent the word before the worlds began which Isaiah spoke about parts which were concerning the beginning of the ministry of Jesus Christ. So when Jesus set about leading his own course of life "The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up." Jesus well knew the Spirit led him forth and the people also knew there was a great a-stirring in the air. "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand".(Matt.4:17)

Prophet Zechariah speaks of the ministry of the Branch which was founded in heaven. The breaking off the staff of shepherd called Beauty was a symbolic action as commanded by the Lord God. But it was validated in heaven!. The wages of the Good shepherd was also fixed in terms of his value in the eyes of the idol shepherds of whom we considered in the post,'The Instruments'. Correspondingly what was his worth in heaven?

"And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed".(Dan.7:14). God says 'My ways are not your ways"(Is.55:8-9)

We see the signs of His judgment. vv.4-6

Ze.11:14-15 (2 of 2)

The Instruments"

In fact there are seven including the Son representing the Spirit of Christ. We see it repeating in the inaugural vision of Zechariah, where the Number 4 commands four cardinal directions. He is there among the myrtle trees on a red horse,"And behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white. (1:8)

Now for the passage from the Book of Ezekiel, "And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

3And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

4And theLordsaid unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof."

The v.9 makes a chilling reading to what extent the modern churches have not learnt from the apostasy of Israel but adding their own. Their reasonable faith lulls them to say, 'The Lord does not see it.'

"Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, TheLordhath forsaken the earth, and theLordseeth not.

10And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head./And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me."

So when the Roman army marched to ransack Jerusalem in 70 AD the city was ripe for judgment.

Ze.11:14-15 (1 of 2)

"The Instruments"

"Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel./And theLordsaid unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd."

Here the Holy Spirit speaks of the instruments of a foolish shepherd. He is figuratively seated in the seat of Moses but what he does is hypocritical.

The broken staves Beauty and Bands refer to Israel. As token of them we have the four pieces of Bands and Beauty by which there shall be no more a meaningful brotherhood between Judah and Israel. They are scattered to far ends of the earth.The first staff signified Beauty. By breaking the covenant of the lordship and flock God took away the Beauty of holiness from their temple worship. "No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed."(Le.21:18). The shepherd that would lead them shall be as marred as any Levite who had a blemish in the former times was unfit to serve in the temple., For this what Prophet Zechariah writes here is highly significant. "The sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."(v.17) .In his 'woe to you' discourse Jesus characterize these idol shepherds,"Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!"(Matt.23:16)

Who are these foolish shepherds? "They are dogs with mighty appetites; they never have enough. They are shepherds who lack understanding; they all turn to their own way, they seek their own gain."(Is.56:1-NIV) Ez.13:10; Je.22:17 Their judgment was foretold in the Book of Ezekiel. We need consider this chapter 9 in order to understand the depth of their folly.

Ez.9:2-11 The Spirit mentions six angels one of whom is angel of the Lord with the writer's inkhorn.

Ze.11:1-11

"Poor of the Flock"

"And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of theLord."(v.11)

Here as mentioned in the previous post, we have the narrative taken up from the standpoint of the Son. The fire kindled by the Lord God affects three nations, represented by trees. cedars of Lebanon, firs ('Howl, fir tree') signify parts of Gilead which under Hazael went to Syria. This in turn repossessed by Jehoash (2 Ki.13:25); thirdly the oaks of Bashan represent the whole country beyond Jordan. In short the entire alliance of Israel has come to mean nothing. The palace of Solomon and the temple were set up because of this band. The bond between Hiram the king of Tyre and King Solomon figuratively served the prophet the band. "And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people./And it was broken in that day." God's rejection is served by a symbolic act. The stave Beauty refers to their glory. The covenant refers to the one the children of Israel made at the foot of Sinai."Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice./And theLordcame down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and theLordcalled Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up." The tables of stone with the Ten Commandments were the visible proof of it(Ex.19:18-19)

"Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me."v.9) " Isaiah asked King Ahaz, "And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David;Is ita small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?" We have then the prophet giving the evil king this sign, "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."(Is.7:13-14). First God would break the bands so it was a sign that the nation of Israel was hateful to Him.

Ze.10:10-12 (2 of 2)

"Moses and Jesus"

vv11-12 is not about a simple way forward but this verse 'they shall walk up and down in his name' equally refers to the return from far ends of the earth and it is predicted for the latter times. As God delivered them once out of Egypt under the hand of Moses Israel if they meet the condition of God shall also return."And I will strengthen them in theLord; and they shall walk up and down in his name, saith theLord." This is from the standpoint of the Son. "In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old."(Is.63:9b)

We see this spillover in the coming chapter as well. As typical of the narrative mode of the Holy Spirit the scepter (pride) of Egypt is clubbed together with the pride of Assyria, wiping out a great period of time in between. Egypt,Assyria, Babylon are oppressors raised by God, "out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together."(10:4). In the will of God such time marking events as we date our history does not exist.

Ze.10:10-12 (1 of 2)

"Moses and Jesus"

"I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them."

Here onwards the Holy Spirit is giving us a recap on the deliverance of Israel out of Egypt from the standpoint of the Son, so in place of Moses we shall consider Jesus whom St Paul calls as the spiritual rock that followed them, and we treat it as a real presence. Prophet Isaiah called it the angel of his presence. "In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old."(Is.63:9-NIV). In short Moses is set in context of the Son.

In evidence we have v.11. "And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea;"(Ex.14:21) there was the angel at his work."And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:"(Ex.14:19-20). The sea parted, "and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left."(14:22). With this background information we shall consider the remaining verses:

11And he shall pass through the sea with affliction, and shall smite the waves in the sea, and all the deeps of the river shall dry up: and the pride of Assyria shall be brought down, and the sceptre of Egypt shall depart away./And I will strengthen them in theLord; and they shall walk up and down in his name, saith theLord.

Ze.10:1-9 (2 of 2)

"The Latter Rain"

God had in order to chastise the many sins of the foolish shepherd chose oppressors who He would later judge according to his will. As Haggai would refer to God, "The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith theLordof hosts" the Holy Spirit puts this verse in the mouth of Zechariah, "Out of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together." (Hag2:8). Out of him came forth the corner, which is a Messianic prophecy of the advent of Jesus Christ, the cornerstone.

"Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?"(Matt.21:42; Ps.118:22)

Ze.10:1-9 (1 of 2)

"The Latter Rain"

And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again.

Here we have the reverse of Israel being led forth by the mighty hand of God, who in the former times led them from the fiery furnace that was Egypt. In the latter times it shall be with great mercies from the far corners. 'They shall remember me in far countries', Zechariah assures the people. However in both cases the condition is. "Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the LORD of hosts."(Ze.1:3)

"Ask ye of theLordrain in the time of the latter rain; so theLordshall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain," (10:1) The early rain was a proof of God who led them by pillar of cloud by day and pillar of fire by night. 'Ask ye' of the latter rain stands by the same token as the sign for restoration. Here also God has not diluted his will. 'And this shall come to pass, if you will diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God.'

"And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of theLord, and ye shall know that theLordof hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of theLordyour God."(6:14)

vv.3-4

"Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for theLordof hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle./Out of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together.

Here the prophet is referring to the shepherds, both kingdoms of the north and of Judah. He intends Assyria and Babylon when he calls them goats. In the book of Daniel the goat signified Greece. (Dan.8:8).

Ze.9:10-16

"In That Day"

"And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth."

And theLordtheir God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.(v.16)

This speaks of the day of his wrath, and having set the perpetual desolations caused by each destroyer from Attila the Hun to this day. It may require a full blast of nuclear cleansing as St Peter has forewarned,"the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."(2 Pe.3:10). The Day of the Lord is for preparing the throne of Righteousness.

In the second half of this chapter we have a commentary from the Book of Psalms, "Thou satest in the throne judging right./Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever." We have two advents of which the v.9 was about the Servant-King and the next v.10 is about the Messiah-King and he is revealed as the King who has come into his throne, which is the White Throne Judgment.

In trying to understand the divine Will for each of us, we are to follow the God document not in terms of being part of the nation of Israel or part of church evolved out of the historical entity that is called the Mother church but being found in the Son when he rightfully claim his throne.

Matt.21:44 Whoever comes to this rock either has to be with him fellow-laborer with no identity than Christ in me for the glory of God. All the other are part of miry clay upon which it shall fall one day and crush it to powder. "And became like the chaff of the summer threshing-floors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them."(Dan.2:35)

Ps.9:6-8

Ze.9:1-9 (2 of 2)

"Behold Thy King!"

Thus when God sends his prophets only to be rejected by the nation of Israel one can appreciate why God cast out Judah and Jerusalem before His sight. There was a temple building undertaken on the earth which shall not remain either for long.

God sent his Son as Servant-King and of which the prophet writes,"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass."(v.9)

Ze.9:1-9 (1 of 2)

"Behold Thy King!"

n vv.1-7 The cities mentioned trace Alexander's march through the Promised Land in 332-331B.C.

What we are concerned is not the march of events that gives men command over the places they ride over but who possess the land really? Dominion of it has been given to the Son. The decree enshrined in the everlasting covenant covers this sure promise of God."I will declare the decree: theLordhath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee./Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." (Ps.2:7-8). In the night vision of Daniel also we came across what was determined before the worlds began. "And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed."(Dan.7:14)

In the Psalm cited here above is a Messianic prophesy "The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against theLord, and against his anointed, saying,/Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us./He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: theLordshall have them in derision." It is cringeworthy for a man to imagine he could defy the divine decree. Alexander was truly remarkable in conquering nations much mightier than that of Macedonia. But he died like all men and nothing of his glory remains, run over by march of history that has left its muddied bootprints leaving his glory seem more like a scarecrow. But David says, "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion." (2:6). This is also a Messianic prophesy which has to do with temple of the latter days. The entire burden of Zechariah is more about the Salvation Plan set into active mode which occurs in heaven.

Ze.8:21-23 (2 of 2)

"In Those Days"

Zion on which the house of the God of Jacob is founded refers to the latter temple in heaven. The law,- and the word of the Lord, consequently is what drives the temple program and is going on in heaven. So when Jesus said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up./Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?/But he spake of the temple of his body." ( John 2:19-21).

Thus there is no temple in the conventional sense and Jerusalem is synonymous with other cities judged by God. (Re.11:8).. For this reason the vision of the solid Golden Candlestick in Ze.4 is very crucial. Every believer who abides in Christ must show fruits. He is being fed from the fullness of the seven spirits and he has also two witnesses: his spirit and soul attesting what is his calling. He is priest as well as king unto God in the Son.

Lastly the symbol of mountain spoken by Isaiah is in the context of the Son who isthe rock cut not with hands in the vision interpreted by Daniel. The saints redeemed from the earth are part of the rock and when the apostate church is smashed along with world government nothing of it shall remain. Only the saints shall be left behind to inherit the kingdom of light. It is of the latter days, 'in those days' the earth is under new management: the kingdom of dear Son. What these two passages refer is the Millennium Reign of the latter days.

Hi Bro Dan,

I noticed your comment to GiGi and think a lot of these arguments are circular where people are closer in belief than they initially realize. Sometimes each may think the other is not emphasizing a certain point to their liking and then emphasizes it while minimizing the thing the other was emphasizing. Naturally the other seeing the response may then feel his/her point was minimized so that person may want to highlights the original point again.

Sin, yes, we all sin. That's Biblical. This includes Christians.

Paul was a Christian and described his constant wrestling with sin and obedience. He wasn't given an automatic free pass where everything was suddenly easy, it took effort to follow and obey Jesus. I personally think effort in following Jesus is minimized and have had many discussions with people who falsely assume any effort whatsoever automatically means you're trying to earn salvation. Ironically, effort towards secular things is not seen as bad.

I know people who call themselves saved Christians at church who are actively living in sin and ok with that- for instance affairs, premarital sex, etc. They are ok with that because pastors and other Christians tell them its ok, that to correct would be legalism and that's bad. Some believe they are merely following a pre-determined script laid out by the Holy Spirit and that their sin, if they even call it that, only strengthens their faith. This ignores Romans 6. That is wrong and dangerous in my opinion. The message is distorted to where some are almost saying that when you're following Jesus, obeying Him is "bad". They seem blind to the contradiction, but sin is blinding and satan is crafty.

There's a difference in obedience, effort, and genuineness that may be hard to quantify. God ultimately knows our heart.

You have made some good observations here. Now to me it seems like some of that may be explained by the wheat and the tares, key note [bracketed] for emphases below. The wheat of God at once becomes the scene of Satan's activity. Where children of the kingdom are gathered, there "among the wheat"

Satan "sows" "children of the wicked one," who profess to be children of the kingdom, and in outward ways are so like the true children that only the angels may, in the end, be trusted to separate them. [[[[[[So great is Satan's power of deception that the tares often really suppose themselves to be children of the kingdom.]]]]]] Many other parables and exhortations have this mingled condition in view.

Children of the wicked one are always religious unbelievers, mere pagan / nonbelievers are never so-called.

Paul urges all those claiming to be spiritually saved to "examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves" 2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJV) 5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

What about the Western Christian women who do not submit to their Christian husbands and we know probably most of them don't?

What about the total disregard for Head Coverings I just posted on that.

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Post-baptismal sin is covered under the blood for sins which we REPENT from not living IN as a way or walk of life and never really turn away from. What is true "repentance" it is like a burning house you never go back to it!

I liken this to two ships anchored at port. One ship is grounded in the Word and will not move from the harbor by the ebb and flow of the ocean. The second ship anchor is eroded due to continued sin as it continues to drift away from the harbor EVENTUALLY it finds itself lost in the middle of the ocean with no clue how to get back--- apostasy

1 Peter 4:17 (KJV)