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Hi Chris, I agree with all of that. There is one gospel forever. Many pre-trib teachers hold to grace and law during what they would call the enxt dispensation. Most pre-tribbers that hold to pre-trib never give this much thought. But that is what many teachers teach. One fo the biggest propagators, C.I. Scofield was one fo them.

On the Holy Spirit, He will never be absent or no one could be saved and no miracles could happen with the two witnesses as it is through the Holy Spirit that all miracles are performed. I site 1st Corinthians.

1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

1Co_12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

1Co_12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

The Holy Spirit may allow or lift His hand back to some degree to allow the antichrist to arise but the antichrist still can only do what the Holy Spirit allows.

i think you are thinking of this verse which i will send in next comment.

You would think that an Hebrew would have a Hebrew name.

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And then you ask am I sure enough with my "newly acquired understanding of a few Greek words" to claim that, as I state, "Judas never surrendered his life to Jesus" and that Judas was "never a true follower"?

That's sounds sort of condescending. My newly acquired understanding of a few Greek words? Wow! How can you say that when you do not know my understanding of Greek? I've never met you but I'm sure you're a pretty nice guy. If you and I were sitting at a table face to face, I could take the Greek Text which I do own, and I could read it to you like I was reading English, word for word. There are no English words in my Greek bible and I do read it. So I know more than just a few words!

You tell me to "please do not get too upset when I am challenged on Scriptural matters." I know you are not trying to offend me. And I expect to be challenged. None of us should expect people to agree with everything we say. It does not upset me at all. In fact, we are told to challenge everything we are told when it comes to scripture, just like the Bereans.

Lastly, you say "Forgiveness is based on being SORRY for what you did and try to make amends (30 pieces of silver). God is the Judge. Ephesians 4:32."

I'll agree with that on a human level, but not spiritual. God does not expect me to try and make amends for my sin.

I hope I sufficiently answered your question. You have a great day!

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Acts 1:18 says, Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

You ask me if I know of anyone that can commit suicide by this process? (It is possible).

You say that Acts 1:18 states that Judas "bowels gushed out." This means that Judas was disemboweled. (Well, it does not say that someone disemboweled him). Acts 1:18 indicates to me that he committed suicide.

I've heard of three theories as to how he died. Number one, he hung himself but slipped out of the rope and burst open on the rocks below. The second theory is that he hung himself and his dead body became bloated from the heat and that he burst open while hanging. That is pretty "far-fetched!"

But the archaeological accounts actually say that people who in those days committed suicide, they would go up on a cliff or hillside and they throw themselves down on a pole. They impaled themselves. That's what they believed Judas did. He slit himself right in two and his bowels gushed out. And this was done in the field that the priests purchased with the money that Judas gave back.

What is my understanding of the unpardonable sin? First of all, Jesus says that no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them to Him. A person cannot come to Christ for salvation unless the Holy Spirit first convicts them of their sin and their need of a Saviour. So when the Holy Spirit convicts a person's heart and shows them that they are a sinner in need of a Saviour, and that person fully rejects the testimony of God's Spirit and their need for Christ, they have committed what is called the unpardonable sin. It's when a person rejects the testimony of God's Spirit showing them their need for Christ. That person cannot be forgiven for that!

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To answer your other questions, what I am saying about the words Metanoeo and Metamelomai is that even though they are both translated into English as repent, in the Greek they have different meanings, otherwise every Greek word for our English word repent would be the same. One means to just be sorry for the consequences of your actions, and the other speaks of repentance as in making a decision to change the direction of your life, and surrendering your life to Christ. When a person is told they need to repent from their sin, that is the word Metanoeo. When a person is simply sorry for committing a sin, that is the word Metamelomai.

Is the Bible lying? (No) Was Judas NOT sorry for what he did? (Judas was sorry). Why was the statement made? (Perhaps Judas didn't know that Jesus would freely surrender Himself to this mob that came to take Him. Perhaps maybe Judas thought they would never be able to take Jesus? After 3 years of hanging around Christ, Judas must have seen the miracles and the power Jesus had?). I'm just guessing on this as the bible does not tell us what was on Judas' mind. We do know he was sorry. It must have been a pretty sad thing to see, them carrying away Jesus, and knowing you were the one who told this mob where to find Him).

Am I sure enough to claim as fact that Judas was sorry but never repented? (I'll just say that I am comfortable saying that.) When it comes to God's word, I am very careful about sharing something and claiming it as "fact." That is one of the scariest things for me, is that I might share something with someone, and mislead them. I know I will stand before God one day and have to give an account for the things I tell people here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Was I there? (That's funny!) I've been called old before, but I'm not that old!

Do I know the heart of Judas? (Only Jesus truly knows the heart of man, and He says our hearts are desperately wicked).

Hello again Greg,

You are asking a lot so I will have to break this up to give you an answer. Hopefully I can cover what you're asking. As far as Jesus being God and God being Jesus, I understand that you don't believe that. It's not for me to try and convince you otherwise so I will leave it at that. I do believe Jesus is God.

You seemed to place a lot of emphasis on my use of the word Teknon. You're saying that I am claiming that Teknon is not defined as "child," and asking what my definition of teknon is?

I did not make that claim. I know what Teknon means. I don't just look up individual words in a concordance. I actually read Greek. I have a Textus Receptus, and I do read from it on occasion.

Greg, I was not incorrect on my use of the word Teknon. Please re-read my response. I was simply wondering why you used the word KALOS for child. (Please re-read your post). I know Teknon is used for child. Kalos is not a child. Teknon is a child born by natural human birth. That's why Jesus is never referred to as a Teknon. I believe it was you that got the word for child wrong, not me, although I believe you accidentally said that Kalos meant child. Kalos is a Greek word that means good.

Thank you taking the time to look up the Strong's definition of the word Teknon. You ask me where I got my definition of the word Teknon from? Well, I didn't look it up in the Strong's Concordance. I read it from the Greek text and I already knew what the word meant. I didn't need to look it up.

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Hello, I think I need help (where two or more are gathered.........). I want to have my spiritual ears and eyes opened. I've prayed and fasted for 21 days and so far I'm not hearing God. I repent and there's no sin I haven't repented for. What am I doing wrong?

What is the Bible definition of an ANTICHRIST

1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Who changed the laws of God to the laws of man first before Rome did? Remember that Pharisees were a major denomination of the Jews.

Mark Chapter 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me.

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

13 Making the word of God of none effect through your TRADITION tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

please pray for a breakthrough for me with the police authorities will be resolved soon and it will be all good news and I can start living my life again amen

As Saul held the coats, these men held the self- righteousness by stones and aimed them at Stephen in a very false hope that the Law would be satisfied outside of the Chosen One whom Stephen clearly knew.

We are discussing of the antichrist that was to come as Paul wrote in 2 Thessalonians 2. This was long after Christ had died. And the Jews rejected Christ because they were expecting an earthly messiah who would deliver them from the Romans

The Bishop of Rome was declared the corrector of heretics by Justinian. By this the papacy slowly gained momentum and eventually had the power to even declare to be the one with sole authority to interpret the Bible. By this, it was able to replace the word of God with doctrines of men. Eg, children baptism, salvation by works, separation of body and soul after death etc.

Read about John Huss and Jerome, John Wycliffe, Martin Luther just to name a few.

The definition of a Christian is a "Christ follower" and the disciples literally did that, so I believe they were Christians. I believe Judas in betraying Jesus he stopped following Him, so I believe that he brought on himself consequences with eternal ramifications. To this day, I've never met anyone named Judas. What he did was so despicable and evil that even atheists avoid that name.

Facts:

1. Adam and Eve were immortal

2. They ate the forbidden fruit

3. They became immortal and died

Therefore what God said was true and what satan said was false.

The #1 problem is people assume a timeframe, but no timeframe is given nor implied. People tend to assume that someone dying will happen 'soon' within an arbitrary timeframe made up in their own mind, like within a couple seconds, or few minutes, or that day or the next few days. Then when what was stated doesn't match their arbitrary timeframe then they may draw conclusions from it. This is not the only part of the Bible where the assumption of a timeframe causes a conflict with people. Revelation 22:20 says Jesus will return soon. Has He? How soon is 'soon'? James 4:14 says your life is a vapour. If you live to be 100 years old are you still a 'vapour'? The answer is yes. God's perspective is very different than our perspective. Life is extremely short compared to eternity. Abraham and Sarah waited 25 years for the fulfillment of God's promise, so was God 'wrong' or was Abraham and Sarah wrong in their perspective and assumption of time? In all cases mankind is the one wrong in false assuming a timeframe when God makes a promise. Have a nice day!

Chris,

Concerning "where do our souls go after we die."

I see it basically the same way you do.

I try to always make it a point to use Scripture to back up Scripture (as you do); otherwise, I don't have much to say.

I use the parable of the rich man and Lazarus to justify that our bodies return to dust, and our "spirit returns to God Who gave it" ( Ecclesiastes 12:7).

I am hoping and praying that I am on the right side of the gulf waiting with Abraham and Lazarus and the others that have made it ( Luke 16:26).

Let us read who persecuted and killed Christ, the prophets and Christians.

Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST. (NOT ROME)

King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.



John 7:1 - After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

Act 9:23 - And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him

Act 23:12 - And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.

Act 26:21 - For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

1 Corinthians 12:28 - And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles,

then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (Tongues the last least gift.)

1 Corinthians 12:29 - Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

1 Cor 12:30 - Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? (the answer is NO)

1 Cor 12:31 - But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues

1 Corinthians Chapter 14: 26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue,

hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

....But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church....

not one Pentecostal church I have ever been to have ever followed this in scripture.

tongues is the least important gift. no interpreter = keep silent.

How was he stoned.?

Jesse thanks very much for your explanation that has thrown more light to my worry .

"be ready"!

Jesse,

You state,

"Just one more thing kind sir,

I am not too sure that I can say with certainty that Judas did not commit the unpardonable sin. There is nothing in scripture that would have me to believe that Judas ever surrendered His life to Christ or that he was a true follower. Sure, Christ chose him as one of the 12. But Judas was evil. I believe Christ chose an evil man to fulfill the prophecy saying He would be betrayed. Jesus chose an evil man to fulfill that role and Judas was that man.

What is your understanding of the unpardonable sin?

Look at Matthew 12:32, Mark 3:28, Luke 12:10.

Are you sure enough with your newly acquired understanding of a few Greek words to claim that, as you state, "Judas never surrendered his life to Jesus" and that Judas was "never a true follower"?

I have never met someone that is pure evil, have you? Even Satan at one time was good, even "perfect" ( Ezekiel 28:12-15).

So kind sir, please do not get too upset when you are challenged on Scriptural matters. I was not trying to offend, just understand.

Just one more thing my friend: Forgiveness is based on being SORRY for what you did and try to make amends (30 pieces of silver). God is the Judge. Ephesians 4:32.

A born again Christian should know peace in their heart by the Holy Ghost. If this peace is lacking then there should be grave concern. The Holy Spirit guides but never forces a soul to obey and willful disobediences will cause the Holy Spirit to pull away and taking it's peace with it. Repentance will be needed to reclaim the peace again. This Holy Spirit will not rest upon a believer that continues to willfully follow the ways of the world which includes violence in words, thoughts or actions. This peace provided by the comforter will give more grace for more sanctification in our lives which may sting, yet the peace is worth it all. However if a Christian continues to willfully ignore the promptings of the Holy Spirit and continues to press forward without the peace they will be most miserable and their life witness inconclusive leaving others to doubt the truth of the Gospel and the eternal, everlasting life in Jesus Christ. True Christians are the most accountable people on earth.

Jesse,

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You stated; Judas was sorry for what he did (Metamelomai), and he ultimately ended up committing suicide. But he never repented (Metanoeo). He never surrendered his life to Christ. How does Acts 1:18 tell us that Judas had help with his death? Can you see how people might say Judas repented just like the bible tells us to do? Well, he didn't!

#3338 metamellomai- to care afterward, i.e. to repent; and is used for the word REPENT.

#3340 metanoeo- to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction); and is used for the word REPENT.

Not sure where you are going with this one either?

Is the Bible lying? Was Judas NOT sorry for what he did? Why was the statement made?

You state; Judas was sorry but he never repented!

Are you sure enough to claim that as fact?

Were you there?

Do you know the heart of Judas?

You then state: How does Acts 1:18 tell us that Judas had help with his death?

Acts 1:18 states that Judas "bowels gushed out." This means that Judas was disemboweled.

I know of no person that can commit suicide by this process.

Do you?

And no one would do this to him if he was ALREADY dead.

Jesse,

You stated "I just recently read here someone asking how can Jesus be God, when the bible says He is God's Son? Well, in English, we know what the word son means. But the Greek uses a completely different word. The word Son when applied to Jesus is the word Huios. Son by natural birth is a totally different word. It is the word Teknon."

The "read here someone" part was likely me.

I have recently asked on this website why people believe that Jesus is God and God is Jesus.

I don't believe that, and that was the point I was trying to make.

You responded: You ask "Does this understanding of the Greek words mean that God is Jesus and Jesus is God?" I would have to ask who did Jesus claim to be? Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. To the Jews, the phrase "Son of God" was the same as being equal to God Himself. If you recall, they were about to take up stones to kill Jesus for who He claimed to be. Jesus didn't say "Oh no guys, before you stone me, I think there might be a misunderstanding here on who I am claiming to be."

What "I recall" is that the people accusing Jesus were WRONG. The misunderstanding was with what THEY understood, not with what Jesus was saying.

I know what Jesus said. So again, I will ask, what are you trying to say?

And by the way, since you claim teknon is not defined as "child," what is your definition of teknon?

Strong's #5043 teknon- CHILD, son, daughter, offspring, descendant: It is used for the following words; children, son, sons, child, children's, daughters. The word is a derivative of the word "tiko" (#5088) which means to "give birth," "to bear", "to produce."

Sure looks like teknon = child.

So I will ask you, where did you get your definition of the word teknon?

This scripture says that the adversary (Satan) is the God of earth at this time in this last dispensation. The book of Revelation is when Jesus Christ returns with his armies and casts out and destroys the adversaries demons and the adversary. By removing him Satan from the throne, and cast out to the lake of fire. At that time Jesus takes upon the throne of and on the Earth.

Pray that God protects me and destroys all witchcraft attacks against me, my family, and dogs. Pray that God shows me favor, and have this person arrested for causing me harm. Pray for me to receive a financial blessings

Let us all uncover the bad events, sin , the acts of men not in Christ. The world has not acted against the will of God. The world still does what it was created to do. Lets call it what it is We can do all things through Jesus Christ with the power in His name. Lets put evil in its place. It is the work of the devil! That one cant win, but we will in Christ Jesus.

Romans 12:20. What is the the meaning of heap coals of fire on his head?

Please continue praying for my sons James and John. I see God working in them, I know He's hearing our prayers. I pray that my boys will seek Jesus and find Him because Jesus is the answer to healing all that afflicts us. Lord, please be with my boys as they battle their addictions, and may they be victorious in Your name. Amen

Prayer for friend to be safe who left her abusive ex. Let ex leave her be. God intervene and stop ex plan to.cause her hurt and pain

Greg, That is the absolute best and most detailed explanation I have ever heard of the days of the death and resurrection of Christ. Never has anything been stated so clearly. Thank you. We should all commit this to memory. It is extremely valuable.