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Greg,

You: "why would people think that the 7th day or the 1st day or whatever day they follow would not change also?"

I suppose that we're aware of this fact but has little effect to any observance of the day. Sabbath is not an issue for me as I don't recognize it, & for those that do then it would be a case of "The sabbath being made for man, and not man for the sabbath" in respect of its meaning & observance rather than aiming for the actual day which may not be possible for all. But if you're able to adjust your weekly cycle for it, then it certainly makes it easier for you.

You: "From all that I know and read concerning the DSS, they only reinforce (and in some cases shed new light on) the various Books of the Bible."

I'm sure there would be much value in considering the DSS, but as with anything relating to the Word, I rather err on the side of caution, & just focus on the Bible for my requirements. In any case, in our evangelical circles, to use extra-biblical references in ministry or in debate, would generally generate some serious questioning to one's Christian beliefs & capabilities & being a prime candidate for apostasy: I hope I'm not being too dramatic, as even our Pastor receives some flak, whether verbally or by email, after his Sunday messages when someone picks up on 'error'. So how would one survive using anything extra-biblical! And I can't change Fellowships - they are hard to find. But I thank you for all that extra information, and I've now learned a new word as well: midrash.

Grace is unmerited favor from God. We don't earn it or deserve it; but God chooses to bless us with it.

There is a scripture that says our days are written down. I'll look for that tomorrow.

Stephen was being stoned on Sauls orders, and it is written that Stephen saw heaven opened and Jesus standing up; which means that Jesus was going to intervene. I believe he took Stephen up right then, by an Angel.

I think it happens. I can not make an assumption without knowing if this child had ever attended Church, or had been taught about right , wrong , sin, righteousness; Jesus.

People I know and pray for, still refuse to come to Christ. I still pray for them, but I cannot violate their right of free will.

The Bible says ALL of our tears are saved in a bottle. In heaven He will wipe the tears away personally. There will be no memories of tears or loss.

My nephew died in a fiery 18-wheeler accident; same age as my son. It didn't make me feel any better to know he died instantly. But I knew he was a Christian.

Take Jesus's Life and give Him yours. Just hang on and let Him have that ache in your heart; the anger and all the loss. Someday you will know the truth of that tragedy.

Alot of us are waiting for that day. I will lift you in prayer tonight.

Amen Robert. We are the ones that are mentioned in Revelation chapter 19 who will be clothed in white (Wedding Garments), and we do come back with Him. I hope everyone likes white horses! Christ comes for His bride (Rapture) and this wedding takes place in heaven while the tribulation here on earth is still going on. And then Christ returns with us. I believe we are the armies that are mentioned in Chapter 19 that he brings with Him at His second coming.

In the beginning ... God created Heaven and Earth.

Could this also mean that the earth is millions or even billions of years old?

Then we see the creation of 6 days and He rested on the 7th. day.

Could this also be the creation of Paradise in which still exists today, but not on this wicked planet in which Satan is the god of? Because an Angel was station at the entrance to prevent anyone from entering. After the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, the veil was torn open and we now have access to the throne of God and Paradise is now open for the saints and for those who hath been redeemed. The TREE OF LIFE is still in the midst.

Is it possible that the first man Adam failed because of deception and the second man Jesus Christ was tempted just like Adam... but he defeated the accuser.

I say this because Jesus said to the man on the cross.. today... you will be with me in Paradise.

Then the graves were open and the saints who had died were now resurrected into Paradise.

I hope and pray that someone could help me or prove me wrong.

Because if Cain killed his brother Abel and he was to leave home, He went to the land of Nod, where he met his wife. This was after Adam and Eve were removed from Paradise and brought down to this OLD EARTH. Could there be 2 earths... One that is billions of years old and the other in which God created in 6 days.

Grace is the expression of God's character.

Yes indeed,

This is where the Greek text gives clarification to the word good. In Matthew 19:16-17, it says And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?



Now the word good in this verse is the Greek word AGATHOS. AGATHOS in English means good. But there are different Greek words for the term good.



This particular word AGATHOS is the good of God. It's the good that the Holy Spirit produces. When Jesus went about doing good, He didn't do KALOS, which is humanitarian good. He went around doing AGATHOS. That is, He was touching people's souls, their spirits.



When this man comes up to Jesus, he says, Good teacher. He didn't say KALOS, like we would use today if we were to say he or she is a good teacher.



This man is saying AGATHOS, good. What AGATHOS, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?

And He said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



So, in Verse 17, the first thing Jesus says to him is, why did you call me AGATHOS? There is none AGATHOS but one, and that is, God.



So Jesus is saying, do you realize you just called me God? Do you know why you called me that?

We see the word good in English and it means one thing to us which causes confusion because we know there are good people. However, in the Greek text, the word Agathos was used which can only be applied to the good of God. Human good is Kalos. But this man called Jesus Agathos. What I notice is that Jesus didn't correct this man and say you can't call me that. Why? Because Jesus is God. Jesus said there is none Agathos but God, and you just called me Agathos. This man knew exactly who Jesus was. What a great confession!

Praise the lord brother and sister my name is Henry John I have one prayer request that one Sikh man name called Sarabjit Singh, he is a black magician and does wrong thing from his bad souls. He stays nearby my house. He knows my elder sister's school friend because her daddy and he was best friends, but due to cardiac problem her is passed away many years before, but he is alive. So she used to go to his place for some of her personal treatment, but he couldn't treat it properly because he don't anything much and she stopped going over there. In between her treatment she asked my sister also to go over there for her treatment but he also couldn't treat my sister properly for her problem. As her treatment was going on I also went over there for my problem because I suffering from bad souls which was troubling me since many years before, but he couldn't solve any one of us problem. So the main problem is that since so many years are went over but he is not letting us be free and troubling us through black magic which is effecting my physical health, I'm feeling internally weak and due to that my body is not allowing me to do any work. He stays in East of Kailash, Delhi. His name is Sarabjit Singh and his wife name is Rummy Gadh, both of them are very ill-mannered, they make fool of innocent people through their talks and ask for large amount to solve their problems and after that they leave the person as it is on his earlier position and say that we have done our work now what should we do if your situation or problem is not getting better. And the people abuses them and go away. So please pray that they both leave me and stop attacking on me through black magic which is effecting my life and physical health, specially Sarabjit Singh. Thankyou beloved brothers and sister in Jesus Christ. May God bless you.

I believe most churches will always go to the person persons who they feel is highlt esteemed/ favored. The one they feel most educated, the one with the most money.

Kat-

I am concerned about you saying"it didn't matter what name I called him by" " I don't care what his name be called" many other religions apart from Christianity have their own names for their own 'gods' Their god could be Buddha, Allah, Gaia etc. and they call him / it , Lord god. would you respond if anyone call you by a name other than your own name ? No you wouldn't. Neither would The Almighty God , The Son and The Holy Spirit.

Kat, this is not to criticize but to point out, in the love of Christ, a crucial error made by many.

Your sister in Jesus Christ

Look true servant of God to recieve true salvation.

Please pray that my sons James and John will be delivered from addiction and that their minds will be set free from anxiety and depression. Please ask God to bless my boys with long, healthy, happy lives. Thank you, and God bless you!

Revelation 22:20

Thank you for your replies. I pray Jesus takes us before long.God bless all.

Hi Walter,

I believe the only way to lose your salvation would be to do the opposite of accepting him as Lord and Savior in addition to deny him as your Lord and Savior.

Grace. What is grace?

In 1Samuel 15:23 God says it is better to obey him than to offer any sacrifice made to him I believe this is how we should honor him through our obedience.

Where in the Bible does it refer to God taking home a wayward or rebellious child earlier than he had planned for that person to live on the earth?

Psalm 103 let's us know that there is nothing that can withstand the power of God, it also humbles us reminding us that we are "dust" . He is all knowing and powerful.

The scripture reference on my last comment is in Luke 18:19

Jesus asked, Why callest thou me good? meaning, if you're going to call me good, you Must call me God, for "there is none good but God."

I need prayer for Emotional Healing, Financial Breakthrough and a New Job with higher pay and better treatment. I was laid off from my new job as a Quality Inspector for no reason! This happen Thursday evening. There were people jealous of me and had negative attitudes towards me for no reason. So they spoke evil against me to get rid of me. I was very angry and upset and still am. Thank you in advance for praying for me and with me.

It was PROPHESY. It all happened as the Godhead Wrote it. Through Jesus's suffering He set the new Covenant in motion until the mystery be completed: UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles.

Romans 11:11 ...have they stumbled that

they should fall? God forbid: but rather

through their fall...salvation is come

unto the Gentiles (WHY?) for to provoke

them (the JEWS) to jealousy.

For if the casting away from them be THE

RECONCILING of the WORLD...what shall be

the the RECEIVING of them be...but life

from the dead?

Verse 26: AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED

Verse 27: For this is MY COVENANT unto them (Israel) , WHEN I shall take away their sins.

Verse 28: As concerning the gospel (birth, life, death, resurrection of Jesus) They are enemies (Israeli Pharisees ) FOR YOUR SAKES (Gentiles).

BUT as touching the ELECTION (Gentiles), they are BELOVED for the fathers sakes Deuteronomy 9:5.

Israelis are OUT now, and Gentiles are IN. This is the Word of God! It is an unfulfilled prophesy; in progress of being fulfilled.

Romans 11:8. According as it is written, God hath given them a SPIRIT OF SLUMBER

Eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, UNTO THIS DAY.

Romans 14:11-12. Everyone is going to give an account for every idle word that has come out of the mouth. You are opposing yourself! Opposing Gods written plan for Gentiles and Jews. No born again person can call Jesus accursed; or His Father.

God is dealing with Israel. He doesn't need Gentile help. We should be grateful, because us Gentiles are being blessed huge because God has Israel off in a corner wondering why so many Gentiles are in love with Jesus, and follow him around like a flock of sheep.

BUT Soon, God is going to bring them in to Himself again. Then He will have ONE whole flock. That's His recorded purpose.

I do not see scripture that supports daily RAILING against the blind and deafened Jews of today Israel. Let God do as he said.

Linda,

From what I understand, the Lord will will come for His church before the tribulation period, and we will be with Him in heaven while those people on this earth who have rejected Him will go through a judgment period that very few will survive.

My husband Jimmie said he is stressed all he do is go to the doctors please pray for his strength and that the lord will visit

Louie, No, the sins of your grandparents nor of your parents or anyone else, can ever be held against you. We are all accountable to God for the sins we commit.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die." Ezekiel 18:20,21.

And even though "the wages of sin is death" ( Rom 6:23), "the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

We are all guilty before God for our own sins & it's only by our faith in His Son, Jesus Christ, that we can be saved from its awful penalty. However, the genes that are passed on to us from our parents, etc. can include characteristics that are not always wholesome. Other times, it's not just the genes, but also what children see & learn from their parents that cause them to err later in life. What a great responsibility parents have: they can't remove the genes they pass on, but they can demonstrate good living & teach their children to do so, especially according to the Bible. Yet, we still have to deal with our weaknesses & failings in these areas, in the Power that Christ has given us.

Only Jesus,is the way the truth to eternity,let's believe his works.

It seems that "from the face of the serpent" is being understood as being nourished "by" the face of the serpent. Whereas, it should be understood as "away from (Gk. apo) the face of the serpent".

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So, it seems that the word "he" is the critical word in verse 27, rather than the rest of that verse, as the substance of the verse can go either way if the "he" is not agreed on. With discussions I've had in the past, my mind, once securely closed, has opened to the possibility that "he" could indeed be referred to Jesus, but then I ask: is the "ceasing of the sacrifices/oblations" done by His Sacrifice or by the work of the Anti-Christ, seeing that the word "cause" implies a causative action rather than a resulting action?

Jesus didn't physically go out there & destroy their altars (there weren't any at that time), it was done by virtue of His Sacrifice negating its value & currency. But the one who would physically cause its cessation could be seen as the wicked one. Of course, we know that Israel has not restarted the sacrificial system even though it has been under pressure to do so, but it could well be that Anti-Christ's initial concessions to Israel, will include reinstalling the sacrificial system, that which he will later demand an end to. And, I did read your other good comments to this end, but as said, the debate on the "he" is not just because of my ignorance, but some very fine scholars who see it as Jesus & others, as Anti-Christ.

So, as much as I would like to read your other 'pages', I think that this verse 27 is the point of contention that has to be surmounted. As well, I'll be out of 'circulation' for a month as I will be travelling on holidays in remote areas of Australia (without phone/internet). Though Robert, rest assured, I do value your comments immensely & thank you for them, as they give me good things to 'chew' on & only the Lord can confirm these things to our hearts. I ever wait on Him for His Light & He does indeed use folk like you to help bring this about.

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Robert,

I began drafting a response to your previous comments yesterday, but got bogged down with trying to calculate the weeks (of years) in Daniel 9. I got up to the 62 weeks (crucifixion) but just couldn't get past that with the coming of Titus & the destruction. So, I will leave it at that as my time could better be spent on dwelling on other, clearer matters. Though, to comment on the following:

You: "But none of that is in the actual verse. it is being read into the verse. that is what a presupposition is."

Me: True, the Anti-Christ is not directly shown there in v 27, however, I understand that 2 Thes 2:3,4: "and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." This is the passage that is commonly referred to as a reference to the Daniel 9:27 prophecy about him.

Concerning the Covenant made in verse 27 (referring to your most recent comments):

I understand how this verse is understood when the "he" is seen as Jesus (i.e. it is Jesus Who confirms the Covenant (that which was first made in Genesis); it is Jesus through His Sacrifice that cancels out the need for sacrifices/oblations, etc.; & this will be the case until He returns).

Then looking at the same verse with 'other' eyes: i.e. it is Anti-Christ confirming the Covenant (for the 7 years) that he first makes with Israel so as to garner their support for his position & work of peace on their behalf; & after 3 1/2 yrs, he breaks his (the) covenant (= support/promises) & then proceeds to desecrate the Jewish temple (which we assume will be re-built again), put a stop to the sacrifices & in so doing sits in the temple as God demanding worship. And of course, the rest of that account is seen in his treatment of the Jews, his powers, obedience to him by all, death/martyrdom, etc.