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Greg, you gave a good account in support of keeping the Sabbath day holy, but could you consider the following as the other side of this teaching?

a. Israel was marked out by God to be His chosen people: to set His Love upon them & through whom His Son would come to reconcile man to God. As such there were two clear signs that proved to the nations about them, that this people were Holy, separated to God: the giving of the Law & Circumcision. No other nation received this instruction & compulsion to obey.

b. when Jesus came into this World, His Ministry & His calling together of the twelve, they were still, in what we regard, the Old Testament, or Old Covenant, even though the Bible was divided differently. It was only natural, in keeping of the Law & occasion to worship, that the Sabbath was still recognized as the day of rest. After He rose from the grave & ascended to Heaven, the believers still worshipped on the Sabbath if attending the synagogue, but the 'first day of week' began to be recognized as the Lord's Day & the Church began to worship on that day ( Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2, Rev 1:10, in reference to the Lord's Day as a recognized day set aside).

c. as part of the New Covenant, we understand that it was made through HIS Blood (unlike the blood of the sacrifices under the Old) which not only gave all who expressed faith in Christ's Work a New & Living Way back to God, but also "nailed to the Cross the handwriting of Ordinances that were against them" ( Col 2:14). This now redundant Law signified that any obedience to it & binding of the Law to ourselves was no longer compatible to the New Covenant: indeed, to observe the Law of Works & the Law of Grace did despite to the Work of the Cross. The two cannot be syncretized. Gal 2:21: "for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

This proverb also points out the significant of working hard and not been a lazy and busybodies minding other's. People business. The scripture says if a man does not work he should not eat. We need the wisdom of God to be fully who his called us to be.

John 10:30

I and my Father are one.

David, that could sound confusing, unless one understands the word 'firstborn'. If that verse stated that Jesus was the first to rise from the dead, then there would be a problem, as you correctly pointed out.

However, when this word 'firstborn' is applied to Jesus (as in Rom 8:29, Col 1:15, Col 1:18), we see the Gk word 'prototokos' = first to give birth to used (& so we have the word, prototype, as an example). This word, prototokos signifies that Jesus was the first, in a following series of events/instances, to usher in something new. So here in Col 1:18, Jesus was the first to be raised in a changed body outfitting Man & mankind for residence in Heaven. So Jairus' daughter or Lazarus had their physical life restored after death - their bodies remained the same with their hearts & lungs now functioning & they went back to their normal lives: they weren't in anyway resurrected in the same manner Jesus was said to be resurrected.

In Rom 8:29, we see Jesus here as the 'forerunner or precursor' to the new Man (i.e. God & Man as One): & this is the way we are now through our new birth having God the Spirit indwelling us.

And in Col 1:15, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature". Here, the reference is to both Creation (v 16) & the Church (v 18), where Jesus is seen as existing before all creation (our forerunner) & indeed was also the Creator of the worlds & the Church.

But as a side note, the JWs change the word 'firstborn' in Col 1:15 to 'protokitises' = first created. This they do because their doctrine only allows for a 'created' Jesus outside of the Deity (therefore negating the Triune God) & not 'firstborn' which applies to birth/coming forth from the Godhead.

You need to take time in the Book of Acts. This is the Church, Jesus died for. He didn't disappear and leave them alone. Only until Pentecost. When that Mighty Rushing Wind came through the Upper Room, of The Promised Holy Spirit; the disciples were filled so full of His presence that they exploded in praise as the Tongues of Fire they were seeing lept around the room over their heads. It was more than glorious.

The people in the street saw and heard the disciples. They were energized with indescribable joy. This is what Jesus had told to them! This was the fulfilling of promise. The church was up and aflame. It spilled out into the streets. The disciples were no longer afraid and doubting; barely hanging onto faith.

We can have that. When we obey Jesus and do as he said at the end of the Book of John; we will experience that power and joy.

I hear very little preached on FAITH very much. Jesus is still saving and healing people. Very few have a pulsating faith to reach out and take hold of Jesus. Does anyone know 10 healing scriptures by heart?

We all need to ask Jesus for another refilling of the Holy Spirit. If you feel dry and lifeless, just ASK HIM! We need the anointing oil of the Holy Spirit. If we read and read and read the Bible and there is no outflow onto others; we're clogged.

How do I know all this? I've rarely spoken on this. I know that the Holy Spirit does Home visitations. I experienced an event that is burned into my heart and brain and eyes. That's how I know the Holy Spirit is looking for those who will take Him at His Word. We are his disciples now.

If all that happens is, in a chair railing and ranting against the Jews of Israel; not much is going to happen. The Jews are Jesus's personal business. He don't need your help.

Don't dry up on the ground like a piece of toast, that the birds come and carry away.

Be refilled with oil; be anointed by the Holy Spirit.

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John 10:30 - How do you interpret this verse?

John 1

Confusion around this topic isn't surprising as God can mean the father, the son, and holy spirit, or 'God' can mean just the father. Jesus is called Lord and the son of God and He prayed to God the father. Jesus has many other nick names too.

Do any of these verses influence your perspective?

I don't believe that we can ever hold God responsible for birth defects or appearance of diseases such as cancers or deteriorating organ functions in adults. I realize that we enjoy blaming Satan for all our woes, but in fact that is not always the case. God created mankind perfect though man chose to go his own way being filled with pride so as to be like God. This fallen nature that we refer to as the sin nature, has corrupted every facet of our being: spirit, soul & body. And so death is the prospect of every living organism, & it may well come as a blessed relief to mankind so as to be released from this deterioration & ageing of our bodies. But the unsaved believes that death ends it all for them & so they should enjoy life to the fullest, whatever the cost.

And yet, after a sinner receives God's Salvation, the new believer still remains in the body of corruption & suffer the same fate as any other. But the spirit of man is renewed (born again) that he might have his sins forgiven & have the hope of everlasting life with his Creator, that which the unsaved won't receive nor is it their desire. So we can also see that the same unsaved now could taunt the Saviour, "He saved others; Himself He cannot save", not realizing that it was for their sins that He came & gave His Life on the cross, but they would rather mock Him & God's provision of a sacrificial Lamb.

God, in a moment, made for us the greatest payment that we could never hope to make. Man, for eternity, will suffer the consequences of his rejection of that payment.

Which direction was the Temple of Solomon facing?

God Bless

Bob Hilt,

I am Christian and I don't believe that Jesus is God.

Where does Jesus state in Scripture that He IS the Father?

I believe Jesus is Jesus (the Son) and God is God (the Father)

I agree, the Noahide laws are not in the Bible.

My question to you concerning the 7 Noahide laws was whether you were against any of them?

Why isn't the scapegoat (Azazel) mentioned here? The Day of Atonement was supposed to be observed forever according to Leviticus.

2. If someone is a sinner, drug addict, pornographer, idolatrous, lost.. etc. do we not pray for them? Or do we simply leave them for the fire.

Son, daughter, wife, husband, friend, stranger?

I understand rebuking evil and I understand praying for the lost sheep.

So where are the fundamentals from Christ for those who say to not pray for a nation, as a whole. The whole being composed of again, groups and then individuals.

Thank you!

In reply to Bob Hilt's comment

So while many people ARE currently praying for America are you saying to NOT pray for America? According to the scripture you provided that "relates to America." Along with your statement of believing this is where America is at..

We would be speaking, here, of "America" as a nation, or a people. Correct? Within people we then break down America into individual groups and then individual people which includes: gentiles, pastors, nuns, churches, government, boy scouts, fast food workers, counselors, etc. Wouldn't I be correct in assuming that "not praying for America" would ultimately mean to not pray for anyone living in America? Americans? Is this what you are saying?

I ask simply and sincerely with no offense meant whatsoever! I want to understand your comment. Your opinion. As well as those who also refuse to pray for, us.

I do believe America to be the New Babylon. I live here. I don't like the majority of what I see and hear in regards to what is acceptable and the norm.

But everyone here, in America, is not part of the antichrist movement and did not choose to be born and reside in America. Not all here associate themselves with the world view of America.

So how can one possibly say to not pray, for America? There is no single group or people here who define America unless you speak of the government. Even then, as I'm sure most are aware, division is rampant. How is America defined as one singular, "thing?" ..beyond a nation or country.

So the genuine question, simply; How can anyone say to not pray for America? In my opinion that would be saying to not pray for anyone or anything in America as they or "we" are all a lost cause.

I believe in praying for America. I pray for the entire world. I pray for the people in the world.

I'm familiar with the scripture you posted. I'm seeking an explanation of your comment or like minds on this topic.

Again, this by no means is intended as negative. I seek understanding.

God Bless

Isaiah Chapter 53

Lamb Of God:

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

The Jesus of the Book of Revelation 1, will appear as the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

Open this link: Revelation 1: 14-20

If Jews considered Jesus to be a great prophet they would have to believe his claim to being God.

then they would cease to be a Jew and be a Christian.

But the Noahide laws only exists in the minds of Rabbis.

The Noahide laws are not in the Bible and yes I agree with you that I do not like the Kabbalah "Jews" who

interpret these so called non biblical laws.

Look into Kabbalah, the soul of Judaism and see what most believe who claim to be "Jews"

it matches the synagogue of satan description of Jesus in Revelation 2:9 exactly.

When Jesus sent the 12 disciples out to heal the sick, raise the dead, cure the lepers and drive out the demons. Jesus had given them the power to do every thing he told them to do. Jesus already knew what what his disciples was capable of. He told them what to look out for, and if a particular area doesn't work out, to kick the dust of the off their feet and more on to the next town. Jesus instruct the disciples not to carry money or a change of clothes, nor to accept money or anything of value. Eat what is sit before you, and don't worry about anything. Jesus favor his on. I f you believe in me and I believe in you your faith,you will excell and do you will do unbelievable miracle. Trust in me, and not lean into your own understanding. I'm reference to

Matthew 10

I really thank the Lord Jesus Christ for this your website, glory be to God. The Lord HIMSELF will bless this ministry.

When the church has meetings GO. U get the message & we're there for others or ourselves to encourage . If one slips & falls pick him/her up. When the Body is join together in unity, God annoints His Body.

Love yall in Christ,

Duane

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the BOOK OF LIFE and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Romans Chapter One, shows us that people are WITHOUT excuse as to why they did not see God as The Creator of all that we enjoy...His Creation. It doesn't require a church experience or a preacher to convince people that SOMEONE MADE ALL that they see with their eyes, every day of their life.

The Bible has been in existence and able to be purchased for personal use for hundreds of years. The Dead Sea Scrolls in existence even longer.

How long has Christmas been celebrated? It wasn't commercialized like it is now.

Don't you see that God was always here, waiting for us to see our need for a Savior.

I believe that children under the age of accountability who died or were murdered will be admitted to heaven. Scripture supports that.

God made it rain hail that was in flames on a cloudless day, yet Pharaoh would not accept God.

Scripture says people in hell pray for their living loved ones to get saved.

I know of false teachers, now, who teach there is no hell.

Decide to choose LIFE, so you and those you love can choose Jesus and be ready for heaven. John 3 (Click on the link)

Tell others you know that aren't ready.

Mishael

I need prayer for a skin condition i am having.it is itchy and hurts ,i also need prayer to be a better more compassionate Christian and a better witness.

Is God responsible for babies being born deaf, dumb, blind? or with other disabilities?

I don't know. I believe the son's of perdition have much to do with the evils of this world, including birth defects.

But this I know, Christ went about doing good and healed multitudes of people.

If persons are born defected, Christ can heal them.

It's sad to know they took our God and hung Him on a tree saying "others he saved but himself he cannot."

When goodness is deliberately destroyed, we can only expect bad to happen.

sons of God dawerters of men

I don't no where excactly. I am trying to get back on track I have had a lot of tradgity in my family for the past year and I am trying to catch up with everythig and get in one acord with god and any help that I can get I am thankfull for and gratfull. I am still looking for it so if you find it before I do please let me no thank you god bless you

"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians [The Book of Genesis] who have been sitting there for centuries."

Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers

I'm not a Calvinist .

But God sure is eternal not living in the past .

Christ died for All ! If they believe it or not he is still lord of all , he paid for all with his blood . Every knee shall bow to him in the future and acknowledge him as Lord . Praise God .

One thing that is true: Isaac contained the seed of Christ who was to be THE Sacrifice.

Amen, Amen

Bob Hilt,

Again, it seems that you may be confusing "Jews" with children of the Devil.

As YOU state.... These people CLAIM CLAIM CLAIM to be Jews. They are LYING LYING LYING.

The words you quote concerning Jews are those CLAIMING, CLAIMING, CLAIMING, to be Jews.

What does Jesus say concerning those CLAIMING CLAIMING CLAIMING to be Jews? THEY ARE LYING. They are of the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN ( Revelation 2:9, 3:9). No longer Jews; and may never had been.

What is their fruit? People are judged by words and actions.

A Christian that stops believing in Jesus is no longer a Christian.

People of any descent or country origin can live in the land of Judea and be called an inhabitant of the land of Judea; a Jew.

Just as a person of any descent or country origin living in the land of New York can be called a New Yorker.

Most God fearing Jews consider Jesus to at the very least be a great prophet. They do not dismiss the writings of the NT as "the most evil and antisemitic book ever written, and Jesus the most evil of them all." Those are words that sound like they would come from the mouth of a child of Satan.

I find no issue with the 7 Noahide general laws.

The seven Noahide laws as traditionally enumerated are the following:

Not to worship idols.

Not to curse God.

To establish courts of justice.

Not to commit murder.

Not to commit adultery, bestiality, or sexual immorality.

Not to steal.

Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

Do you have a problem with abiding by any of these laws?

I have issue with the interpretation of them by children of the synagogue of Satan that skews them.

Man screws everything up.

We DISCERN, we do not JUDGE.

there is no thrid eye in the Bible this is truly demonic

What dose the kingdom of God look like?

Its probably the devil irritating me but there was a little girl Jesus raised up from the dead then Lazarus and this was done before Jesus died and was resurrected so how is Jesus the first born of the dead ?