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They were the Palestinian Jews who were there, the "Hometown people."

I prey that God continue to watch over me my kid's Grandkids and my siblings I also prey that all of us become close again like it was when bought our parents were alive I pray for peace good health I pray for a financial blessing

Please pray for my niece who is on ventilator not giving much hope,but I believe in power of prayer.I pray for brains to heal as she does have brain waves but some damage she is responding opening eyes when talking to her she had cardiac arrest Saturday morning had no heart but received heart compressions for for 45 minutes I just would like as many people as possible to pray for Devine healing in Jesus Holy name Amen .Her name Crystal Rhodes.

Where the scripture you can pray for a healing and faith in healing?

Jesus said to His Disciples: Come. Follow Me.

For all those men it meant giving up everything. Peter was married and had children. Matthew was a prosperous tax collector.

Not many people in 2020 want to do that. We're not used to giving up anything. Look how we handle loss due to Co-vid.

If our Churches don't reopen then everyone needs to support a radio, tv, or streaming ministry. God sees. It's all wide open.

We are to follow Jesus. He can't teach us on the road like he did His disciples. (On job training)

But we've Got our Bibles! We are to study to show ourselves approved unto God. Read Whole Books at a time. Buy a concordance to find things faster.

Concentrate on how to talk with people about their sins: have you ever told a lie? Stolen something? Coveted your neighbors riding lawn mower? His house? His wife?

If we even break one commandment, we are guilty of all 10. Sin is supposed to sting like ant bites.

If you just get a few people saved; you have followed the Master, Jesus.

Paul was a prisoner because he was a servant of the Lord. Walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called. They had been called to a glorious calling, as he had shown in chapter 3. The Christian has been called to the highest calling with which man has ever been honored.

Pray to the Lord of the Harvest. To be brought to "divine appointments". Ask the Lord to allow angelic protection and support.

Pray before you go and pray for everyone you met or prayed for.

You may meet A "disciple" want to be. Meet them at McDonalds or Taco Bell till you get to know them better. Invite them to church.

It's good to take a baby lamb to a Pastor/ Shepherd.

Ask the Holy Spirit to bless your evangelizing work. Thank Him for HELPing you recall scriptures.

When God had pick David to be the king. King Saul wanted to meet david; so he asked Jesse for David to visit him. And knew that David would replace him as king. That angered king Saul to the the point that he wanted to kill him.. King Saul initially through a javelin at David; and through a course of events, after David defeated the giant goliath. King Saul using his men to seek David out. And David made many enemies. The Lord was with David through every twist and turn throughout his ordeal. David prayed and God made him away out. No wonder David said I will praise the Lord at all time and praise will continually be in my mouth

The disciples were having Church: there may have been some visitors.

The manifestation of the Holy Spirit fell upon them and the physical pains and tiredness were replaced by the joy of the Holy Spirit____who is a real Person.

He's here for believers and we ought not grieve Him by saying there's a couple dozen drunks in the Church. I have been in meetings like that. It is the most awe inspiring experience I have ever felt!!

Another time it was a Wed. night and amazingly a lot of people came. Short sermon on negative confessions and talking trash to ourselves like: it'll never happen for me, or I'll never find a mate. By then we all did the "slip down" in our chairs; everybody looking at everybody else. Then Pastor said IF YOU WANT ALL THOSE NEGATIVE CONFESSIONS removed: come to the stage. Someone got up, then me and about 90% of the room went forward. I got within 10 feet of the Pastor and kinda slumped to the floor, seated. The Anointing was SO POWERFUL!! The Holy Spirit was doing some healing! Some of us were having trouble walking: kinda drunken looking.

ITS THE NEW WINE! Written in scripture.

Going back to my chair: there was about 15 hypocrites still seated that didn't go up. I know they probably wish they had; but pride can be hard thing to maintain.

I've had other experiences and each one was different. If people in Church will invite the Holy Spirit to come too; it's possible for everyone to be healed! He knows what we NEED. Alpha and Omega.

If you desire a closer walk with Jesus..you are the only one who can make that happen. It's about yielding to the Holy Spirit. Tell flesh and soulish attitudes to be still.

Someday the Holy Spirits presence is not going to be so powerful on earth; once the end times press forward. Invite Him to move into your life; every day; taking walks.

I sing to Him. But what's precious is when He sings a song to you. It's near your heart area and your spirit and soul unite with Him.

1-3 above, we again see and learn of THE POWER OF GOD. Above IT restrained the enemy.



Note: This same POWER OF Jehovah /GOD in 1-3 is made available to us (see John 3:16-21 or similar verses) and when we daily rightly seek /draw-on this POWER OF GOD we individually are empowered by HIM to 'restrain our self' from being our own worse enemy. One of many examples of being my own worse enemy is: where applicable we became comfortable allowing ourselves to be deceived or we deceive ourselves by looking to /for fragile humans, money, or stuff to do for us that which GOD has reserved for HIMSELF to do for us through HIS POWER.

the people without the mark were people who did not sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. In other words, the abominations should bother us into calling for the cure, Christ. Sin should be something that bothers us not something we dismiss.

Christ's holiness should affect his children to holiness. If sin never bothers you. If you think God is fine with the current sin culture, then you probably do not know Christ.

Lord help me to hate sin. Help me to sigh and long for the freedom of all from sin, mostly myself. Clean me so I can see clearly.

Jubilee is every 50 years. Google when the last one was.

Read Leviticus 25:1-55 And 27:18

Luke 4:18

Alan, I wasn't able to receive all your comments sent under "Satisfaction Theories". You wrote about Anselm & that comment didn't finish off completely, as well as no further comment on Calvin & Aquinas. I'm not sure that I am adequately qualified to comment too deeply on anything you put forward as I haven't studied this matter to any great depth; just having a general understanding of our sin nature, God's View of our corruption, the extent of it & separation from Him, our inability to rectify matters & His involvement to adequately & eternally deal with it so that His punishment no longer bears upon us. I had simply responded to your initial question: "What did the early church (Before Augustine) believe?" I saw that as a general enquiry, hence my response, rather than a question to lead into a more in-depth analysis of the matter. However, thank you for your comments - they have been very interesting thus far.

Pastor, you can substitute the vocation with calling. Paul is giving instruction and the call to the Gentiles.

He says that you walk worthy of the vocation, or calling, wherewith you are called. None of us are worthy from a human standpoint. But the Greek word for worthy means balanced, or equal. You go down to the marketplace and put an item on one of the balances, and you would put money on the other side until it equals out. And that's how much the item is worth, and that's how much you pay for it in the marketplace.

He's saying live worthy of your calling. This is important for Gentiles. It's our problem more so than the Jews. The Jewish people are already religiously disciplined. Their problem is that they cannot let go of the old religious discipline to function in the newness of the Spirit of God. But they're still disciplined!

When a Gentile gets saved, the Gentile comes into the church and he only has one focus. I got saved, I'm going to heaven, and I'm spending some fellowship with my brothers and sisters. But Paul says wait a minute, you have to come out of paganism. You can't just bring that into the church and make everything the same.

So the Gentile has a problem. We have to come out of the pagan lifestyle, out of the old life that we used to live, and walk in a whole new life. Many people are taught that you receive Jesus and you take Him with you as you continue on in your life, instead of receiving Christ and becoming a new creation, leaving off from the old and walking in the new.

Some in the ministry don't even understand that. They bring paganism, the lifestyle of the Gentiles into the church because the Gentiles won't come unless we have things there for them that they used to have before. Many churches have to bring something into the church in order to keep people entertained, or else they get bored. So they bring the things of the world into the church to attract the Gentile. They won't tell you to repent and leave it behind!

Who was doing the mocking in Acts 2:13?

Chris,

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The return of The Lord and Savior comes with a cleansing of the earth. No person, good or bad, will be in a flesh body for that, look at 2 Peter 3:10-12, and is why "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven."

As far as the trumpets of the Numbers 10:1-10, and any other mention of trumpets in the OT, it is an example of a call to action. Paul (Saul) was a repenting Zealot who had a tough time forgiving himself for previous sins. Revelation, however, speaks specifically of 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, and 7 Vials; not 8 or 15. There should be no confusion.

All Scripture we are given is the collective inspired word of God, not Moses or Daniel or Paul or John. The book of Revelation is not the revelation of John, it is the Revelation (revealing) of (the words) of Jesus Christ (to John and to all of us). It is improbable that the OT and NT authors (such as Paul) would have complete (if any) comprehension of the implication of God's words given to them that would have fulfillment in the future. For example, Isaiah 7:14 declares that a virgin would conceive. This particular event literally came to pass in the days of Isaiah, as those words were fulfilled in the 3rd year of Ahaz, (look at Isaiah 8:4). We all are also aware of the figurative understanding of the future fulfillment of this in the literal birth of the Savior of the world ( Matthew 1:23).

Chris,

You bring up some interesting points.

I would like to ask a few questions.

If it is true that "our spiritual change was accomplished at our repentance and re-birth at the foot of the cross," then do you believe "once saved, always saved"? I have not found that understanding to be in Scripture.

You also state that "This is purely a bodily change as will occur to those who "sleep in Christ." Do you believe that no person that has already died is in heaven with God and Jesus? If they are in heaven, do they have any "garments" ( Revelation 16:15) on?

You are correct concerning 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 being the same (end-time teaching), however, they cover death (rendered "sleep") from a slightly different angle.

The lesson we are given in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 has to do with a question posed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:12 concerning, in general, "the resurrection of the dead" ( 1 Corinthians 15:12). If you believe that Christ rose from the dead, then those that (have already) sleep / die / pass on, are already with Him, ( 1 Corinthians 15:13), also look at John 3:12, Romans 8:6.

In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Paul states that "We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent (Strong's #5348- precede) them which are asleep (dead). Why? Because they are already dead: This is why "the dead in Christ shall rise first" ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16). So, "If we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them which sleep (have already died) in Jesus will God bring with Him (at the 7th trump)" ( 1 Thessalonians 4:14). The dead are not in a hole in the Ground, they are with the Father the moment they pass ( Ecclesiastes 12:6-7). Ecclesiastes 12:7 is the O.T. reference as to why Paul states "By the word of the Lord" in 1 Thessalonians 4:14.

Answer for Debra: Go back and read the Book of Deuteronomy for your answer. You see, we don't have to look very far to get answers to our questions about GOD, man, earth, human nature, etc...the Bible has all this covered. The reference to the Bible, is the Bible :-) In HIM!

it seems like a lot of people forget that the writers of the bibles opinions can influence the scriptures. anyone can say they were "inspired by god" and write a long book.

In my humble opinion the fourth seal definitely has not been opened yet.

The fourth horseman has a fifth rider. My take on this is this is the false prophet and the antichrist. They have not been revealed yet. Time will tell Aidan.

Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Notice the pronoun THEM in verse 8. "...Power given unto THEM..."

DEATH=ANTICHRIST

HELL= FALSE PROPHET.

How I see it. Notice 5th seal. Many Christians will be killed BECAUSE OF THEM of the fourth seal. There are 5 riders fo the apocalypse. 4th seal is riders 4 and 5. Everyone ignores that fifth rider in their theology.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

You are a Christian right?

God Bless.

By the time Augustine came on the scene, Western church fathers had departed from the theology of sin of the Eastern Church, with one exception; they still held to the notion of human free will and responsibility. Augustine was quick to pounce on this awkward combination of ideas his western predecessors had left behind; namely, involuntary inherited sinfulness coupled with free choice. In 395 CE he wrote, "We have all become one lump of clay, that is, a lump of sinwe as sinners deserve nothing other than eternal damnation" (74). A few years later, in 397 CE he first "uses the epoc-making phrase, 'original sin' for the first time in the history of Christian thought" (74).

Hey Vadim, I am going to be praying for you, my Brother. It seems to me you are fighting a sexual demon. You must stay in plentiful prayer when going through this. Call on the name of Jesus! The Demons hear and tremble. If you have a church you go to get a pastor to pray over you and see if they can help you cast off the evil spirit's working in your life. Do your best to not entertain those spirits. Run to prayer when your fighting those sexual lusts and dreams. I'll be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. I am an Apostolic Pentecostal. The baptism of the spirit can take you out from what you're dealing with Matthew 3:11 Acts 1:8 Acts 2:4. if you need anything to reach out to my church @ (616) 243-9719. God Bless you, Vadim. There is power in Jesus' name to rebuke the evil things working in your life.

where does it say in the bible that in the year of jubilee all debts will be cancelled and He will restore all the years the locusts has taken?

In my humble opinion there is only one seal left to be opened and that seal is the seventh seal which is when god stands up and shakes the world in his wrath/anger,This is followed by the year of gods wrath and at the very end of his wrath jesus returns on gods seventh trumpet.Jesus does not take over this present world for he told pilate his kingdom is not of this world,so he must be returning to the restored world as it was in adams time or else he lied,Tribulation starts when the recovered beast comes up from the sea,This recovered beast is the recovered holy roman empire for it was this empire that received the mortal wound but it recovers.The woman riding and directing this beast is the church in rome but god directs the ten kings over the ten nations of europe to attack and to destroy her,This recovered beast from the sea was a trinity believing empire who brutally imposed her trinity doctrine on the people and it will do the same again for it denies the one true god and it denies gods only true son jesus,Along with the sunday worship of god these are the recovered beast core doctrines which now the many are following and this is why satan is able to turn gods two witnesses into two demons whose deaths the world rejoices at,Now is your time to awake to the truth of this soon to come recovered beast from the sea and to believe in the one true god who is the father of his only son jesus whom he sent for our salvation which is the true eternal gospel the two witnesses will be trying to get the world to awaken to.

The use of the word "made" in verse 9 does not imply that the LORD was created, but means that the people being blessed here by the psalmist have chosen the LORD as their own. The words "which is my refuge, even the most High," describe the LORD, so the phrase could be simplified to "Because thou hast made the LORD thy habitation;" .

In Jesus Christ we have obtained such a dwelling place by putting our trust in him according to who he is, his sacrificial death on the cross for our sins , his burial and his rising from the dead.

Satan misapplied some of this psalm during the temptation of Jesus in the wilderness, but Jesus overcame him by the truth of the Word.

Indeed Babylon of old is a total desolation after being one of the ancient wonders of the world. In the book of Daniel chapter 4 we see how Nebuchadnezzar himself confessed that

God is he who puts up kings and takes them down. He himself bears witness to how God humbled him He praised and extoled and honored the King of heaven. He gave witness that the Lord is able to abase the proud.

His grandson forgot all that and when he became king og Babylon, blasphemed and exhalted himself above the God of Israel. So the destruction of Babylon that

is prophesied by Jeremiah in chapter 50 of his book came in one night. (see that account in Daniel, chapter 5.)

Richard, that passage you referred to talks about Testings that come to believers - and not to sin directly. As you can see, verses 1 -22 deals with testings: Israel tested God's love & goodness towards them by following idols & received God's Judgement (v 8). And Paul gave the warning to his readers (v 9) to not test Christ in similar fashion. Obviously, Israel & Christians do test the Lord, they sin & they are admonished or judged but verse 13 speaks about, not how we test the Lord, but of testings that come to us to compel us to sin or turn away from the Lord. So, it could be through some extreme trial (physical/emotional suffering, loss of a loved one, loss of job, insecurity, persecution, etc.) that comes to us. The Lord allows us to go through it, but verse 13 says, that through that testing, God gives us a way out of it so that you don't succumb & sin.

Therefore, I see this verse 13 as an extra instruction to the aspect of our sinning & recovery: we are tempted to sin & if we give in, we sin. But this verse tells us that in the midst of that temptation, God provides us a way out of it so that we don't succumb & sin. And that way out, is the spiritual strength He gives us, the Holy Spirit revealing to us what we must do, or Him even going ahead of us to sort out the problem matter so that we don't sin as a result. But, if we do succumb, then there is still place for forgiveness but may come at a high price & this experience will be for our learning & maturing in Christ.

thank you Lord for I trust in you my heart is glorify in you and you make me glad

as I have washed by your Blood

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So, could it well be that the Last Trump mentioned by Paul was because of his knowledge of the trumpet sounds & timings of the Old & not the Revelation Trumps? The occasions of those trumpet sounds were numerous ( Num 10:1-10): whether for calling the assembly together, commencement of their journeyings, for war, & during their solemn feasts. Then this thought develops: Numbers chapter 2 identifies how the tribes were to encamp, till verse 34, when they also went forward just as they had pitched. So this forward movement with the trumpet call aligns with Num 10:1-6. And in this 'call to march', the last (final) trump would have been sounded for the last of the tribes (the north camp - Num 2:25) to go forward.

And it is this account I believe that was Paul's instruction to the believers which would have been rich in meaning to them & not the Revelation Trump which had no meaning or significance. Just as the trumpet calls were for the tribes to move forward, so to the LAST Trumpet Call (NOT 7th Trumpet) was for the final tribe to move & that all tribes were now marching; and this Last Trumpet Call also signifies that final trumpet call for believers to be gathered together in the march (upward) to meet their Saviour.

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John, I would add a couple of thoughts to this discussion. In the first quote you say: "We don't fly into the air in these flesh bodies to meet the Lord and Savior; we will spiritually all be changed BEFORE this particular meeting will take place ( 1 Corinthians 15:50-54)".

This passage is the same one Paul used in 1 Thes 4:15-17, where the Church is caught up to meet the Lord in the air. There is no evidence of a spiritual change taking place here: it was fully accomplished at our repentance & re-birth at the foot of the Cross. This is purely a bodily change as will occur to those 'who sleep in Christ'.

Second point: "The point of the initial statement was that this meeting between the Lord and His "chosen" ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13) will happen at the 7th Seal, and the 7th Trumpet, and the 7th Vial; and not any time before".

Rev 11:15 is often used to support the Last Trump of 1 Cor 15:52. Yet, at the time of Paul's writing, he was unaware of the revelation given to John, as it was hidden from all till John's encounter with the Lord at Patmos. True, Paul could have written this 'in the spirit' not knowing that what he was writing now was actually yet to be revealed to John later on, but when we consider Paul, we see that he continually referenced the Old Testament as this was his area of competence. If his reference was to the Revelation Trumpet, it would have been of no use to those living there as they would have been dead a long time before the sounding of that trump. Even though he counted all 'things as loss for Christ', he didn't forget his OT in light of its Truths found in Christ.

Please keep me in your Prayers

Confidence in salvation is the possession of believers,that is,what Christ did on the cross was not just for the world,but for you in particular.Has God made himself known to you as your Savior,yes or no?You never earn salvation and you never deserve it. God in his mercy withholds immediate judgement for your sins and is gracious in giving his love/son to sinners.Has God made himself known to you as your Savior,yes or no? Everything in your life is secondary to the answer of that question, yes or no. God awaits your answer,now.