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Romans 10

King James Bible Par

The Word Brings Salvation

1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth

Luke 11:52

"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

You could be right but Jeremiah's 70 years was 70 years and not 25,550 days. It isn't always the case. I wouldn't make it a rule of thumb on every passage that says a day.

We know the one plague is before Jesus comes back and it says 5 months long. It is literally giving the number of months and we wouldn't add to that.

God Bless.

Jesse,

I agree with you, the phrase from ( 2Thessalonians 4:17) "shall (will) be caught up" is a translation of the Greek word "harpazo" (#726). The word "harpazo" is a derivative of the Greek word "haireomai" (#138) which is defined as to take for oneself, or to prefer; i.e., to choose.

You may have misunderstood what I said. As far as the KJV goes, the word "rapture" is not found. In fact, I am not aware of a Bible that does use the word. For the sake of all levels of Bible students, we should try to use Bible words whenever possible: Words that can be looked up in Bible Dictionaries.

Sadly, the word "rapture" is more than just semantics. It has become known as the "rapture doctrine."

We don't fly into the air in these flesh bodies to meet the Lord and Savior; we will spiritually all be changed BEFORE this particular meeting will take place ( 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).

The point of the initial statement was that this meeting between the Lord and His "chosen" ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13) will happen at the 7th Seal, and the 7th Trumpet, and the 7th Vial; and not any time before.

You don't want to be the first one taken! ( Matthew 24:40-41, Luke 17:34-36)

Jesse the argument is not whether or not the resurrection (rapture) will occur. It is the timing of the resurrection that is at issue here.

Pre tribbers almost never seem to use this scripture since it tells us when the timing of the resurrection is.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The LAST TRUMP I know of is the 7th trump or trumpet at the end of the tribulation in the book of revelation.

There is no last trump prior to the tribulation.

Some try to deny trump and trumpet are different.

Websters Dictionary 1828: TRUMP, noun

1. A trumpet; a wind instrument of music; a poetical word used for trumpet. It is seldom used in prose, in common discourse; but is used in Scripture, where it seems peculiarly appropriate to the grandeur of the subject.

At the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised. 1 Corinthians 15:52. 1 Thessalonians 4:16

John,

First of all, the rapture is taught in the Bible; it is just a matter of semantics. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 says concerning the rapture: Then we who are living and remaining shall be caught up together with them in the clouds for a meeting of the Lord in the air.

The phrase shall be caught up is translated from the Greek word HARPADZO, which means to be caught up, to be snatched, to be seized. The Latin translation of the same Greek word is RAPTUS, which is where we get the word rapture from. So whether you call it the rapture, or the HARPADZO, or say shall be caught up, it is all talking about the same thing.

Bible quiz pass or fail and if you get a zero ask yourself this.

Do we really understand the nature of the Lord?

1. Does the Lord love everyone?

2. Does the Lord deceive people for any reason?

Scriptures only please

Most will likely fail this quiz.

We are all sinners.

Influence the sinner with the words of God and good works.

Lead by example.

Jesus came for sinners.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

There is one prophet who is one of the two witnesses

Hebrews in Revelation 1:14 - His [Jesus] HEAD head and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,

[Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN, not black] as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

well in 1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

When you start doing what the Lord wants you to do you will find the unbelievers separate from you.

At least that was my experience.

The color of the skin of Israelites or Hebrews is the same color that they are today!

Read 1 Samuel 8 as they rejected the Lord as King and wanted a man.

How do we know that the time of Israel's establishment didn't start in 1967?

There is only one god and there is only one son of god and the son does the will of the one god who is his father,Until you have this faith you are only teaching yourself because you do not have the holy spirit to teach you all things.

Is the word sovereign or sovereignty in the Bible?

You may read and study a lot but Gods Wrath is one year long for it is the day of the lord and in that day God carries out his wrath,in bible prophesy a day usually equals one year and as this verse is dealing in normal years so to is God.

See Deot 8, so asking for King to lead them is against God's will.

Should a Christian hang around siner?

Patience is the ability to wait upon God with the right attitude. So without faith it is impossible to have patience. Faith is the hand that reaches out to lay hold the grace of God.

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Origen (c. 244 AD):

Every soul that is born into flesh is soiled by the filth of wickedness and sin. And if it should seem necessary to do so, there may be added to the aforementioned considerations [referring to previous Scriptures cited that we all sin] the fact that in the Church, Baptism is given for the remission of sin; and according to the usage of the Church, Baptism is given even to infants. And indeed if there were nothing in infants which required a remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of Baptism would seem superfluous. (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3)

The Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving Baptism even to infants. For the Apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of divine mysteries, knew that there is in everyone the innate stains of sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit.

Cyprian of Carthage (c. 250 AD):

If, in the case of the worst sinners and of those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no one is held back from Baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin [committed no personal sin], except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old Death from his first being born. (Letters 64:5 of Cyprian and his 66 colleagues in Council to Fidus)

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Here are some excerpts from these early Church fathers. Origen & Cyprian seemed to veer off in relation to baptism & infants.

Irenaeus (c. (late) 100 AD):

Having become disobedient, [Eve] was made the cause of death for herself and for the whole human race; so also Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. Thus, the knot of Eve's disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. What the virgin Eve had bound in unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosed through faith. But this man [of whom I have been speaking] is Adam, if truth be told, the first-formed man. We, however, are all from him; and as we are from him, we have inherited his title [of sin]. Indeed, through the first Adam, we offended God by not observing His command. Through the second Adam, however, we are reconciled, and are made obedient even unto death. For we were debtors to none other except to Him, whose commandment we transgressed at the beginning. (Against Heresies 3:22:4; 3:23:2; 5:16:3)

Tertullian (c. 200 AD)

Finally, in every instance of vexation, contempt, and abhorrence, you pronounce the name of Satan. He it is whom we call the angel of wickedness, the author of every error, the corrupter of the whole world, through whom Man was deceived in the very beginning so that he transgressed the command of God. On account of his transgression Man was given over to death; and the whole human race, which was infected by his seed, was made the transmitter of condemnation. (The Testimony of the Soul 3:2, c. 200 AD).

Every verse has some prophetic relations. My understanding to the verse is this. Moses is a prophet and he wrote it for the children of God in the last generation, ie to us. In Matthew 24:34 - our Lord Jesus says Verily l say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things fulfilled. Before that He in verse 32 tells a parable. Now, learn a parable of fig tree: When his branch is yet tender: and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:so likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near :even at the doors. Matthew 24:33. In these last days Israel reborn in 1948 May 14 and attained 70 year old in 2018. Fig tree is metaphor of Jewish nation.

i totally agree. John the Baptist came and was like unto Elijah but not the actual Elijah. It could be any two people for whom God chooses.

We support two preachers that occasionally go and preach in Jerusalem. They get kicked, spit on, lives threatened, threatened with imprisonment which would happen if we didn't send so much money over there. Nothing has changed over there. Anyhow, maybe they are the two. We just don't know.

One of the guys we support we just noticed recently went to about 15 major US Cities wearing sackloth calling America to repent. He has seen in vision Russian planes flying over America. Years ago Pastor David Wilkerson in 1973 gave a long 50 minute prophecy and just about everything came to pass now. One was US Cities burning. The church must repent first.

Many American Christians are doing wickedly-they help steal land from Christian Palestinians, and many are sending money to build a 3rd temple (enough has already been sent to build 7 temples) when God made an end of sacrifice in 30 AD and destroyed all attempts since in 70 AD and again in 363 AD with tornadoes, earthquakes and fire coming from beneath every time they tried to rebuild under Emperor Julians' command to go rebuild. The church has much to repent of that is blasphemy in the eyes of God so we WILL see judgment if things don't change. These are just a few of the sins no one wants to talk. There is a pretty high rate of woman in the church having abortions now. That was unheard of 30 years ago. We in the church shouldn't need an Elijah or Moses to bring us to repentance. WE should search our hearts regularly. Judgment begins at the house of God. We need to be praying about getting our own lives right INDIVIDUALLY. I say individually because we are seeing the great apostasy Jesus said would happen as one of the last signs already in the churches, Bible colleges, etc. Jerusalem is not going to be the only nation judged in the end ( Revelation 11); all nations will be judged.

Paul does cover everthing the church needs for today, we need to him a lot more.

Are the true Hebrew Israelites Negro

Please keep me in your Prayers GOD bless you all

Thank You Father for upholding me know sweet the name of Jesus sound Amen

Animals didn't sin. I think they all go to heaven.

I was going to post something like you just posted. Most likely He had olive skin since his Mother was a Jew. BUT it don't matter what color His skin was.

Who are the real archangels in the King James Holy Bible versions and where can i find them no offense i dont want angels that are catholic i know Michael and Gabriel is two but what are some more archangel who are wit God i dont want no false archangels i will ask my pastor and i will look up the angels you send me in the bible thanks and God Bless