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Secondly, in understanding the Scriptures. You said: "The minute I wake up in the morning my mind starts telling I have no forgiveness it seems like every sin I have ever committed runs through my head laughing at me." If a person hasn't left his sins that he has repented of at the foot of the Cross for Jesus to deal with, then either he has not truly repented or he is listening to Satan who wants to afflict him with past sins to make them the present burdens. Doesn't Jesus say to come to Him with our heavy loads & He WILL give you rest? ( Mt 11:28-30). Of course, Jesus was primarily referring to the heavy loads imposed by the Jewish leaders, but it surely applies to the loads & cares we carry now that we can confidently put on Him & leave it there. Look at the many Scriptures that affirm that God will DO something: even Jn 3:16, 'if we believe on Him we SHALL NOT perish but HAVE eternal life'. Are you abiding in Christ? You say you are ("I'm living for Christ but you don't feel like that inside") but re-read 2 Tim 2:11-13 & take note of the affirmations: "we SHALL also live; we SHALL also reign; Jesus REMAINS faithful". There are so, so many Scriptures that give us complete confidence in Jesus' Work for us, His accepting us on the basis of our faith & will never deny or reject us. So, our joy is in what Christ has done for us & not how our feelings may sway us from time to time. (onto Page 3.)
Lost 1, you've painted a very sad picture of yourself & your struggles, & there are many who also entertain such thoughts & hold such feelings. I see two things here: you are allowing your feelings to control the facts of God's Salvation for you and you have to also correctly understand the Scriptures. We often fail in appreciating & applying biblical Truths to our lives because of these two hindrances. I should state also, that I know a dear sister in the Lord, who has over many years, been plagued with thoughts of having committed the unpardonable sin: that she has inadvertently blasphemed against the Holy Spirit & there was no forgiveness for her. No amount of counsel & Scriptural help given to her from me & others would allay her fears & she remained totally overcome. Her Christian doctor, from tests, found that there was also a chemical imbalance in her brain which didn't help her deal with worry & fear & so prescribed relevant medication, to which she is on till now. I'm not suggesting this of you or even that she should pull out of her agony only by the Lord's intervention, but I do know that she is quite free now because of medication
Having said that, I would like to strongly suggest that even though God has given us the ability to sense joy in our salvation, the Spirit's Work in our lives, & the consequence of Calvary's Work, we still have to rely on the fact of our salvation, even when our feelings about it or ourselves appear to contradict. An example would be like a child who may sometimes feel that he is not part of a family because of unfairness or discipline, but the fact remains, he is very much a part of his family aside from perceived feelings about it. So don't let your feelings control the facts from Scripture or what has taken place in your life - feelings are unreliable - God's Word is totally reliable. (onto Page 2.)
We could give many more examples to add to the sin of murder, but to the sin of homosexuality, I consider this to be yet another sin that needs to be dealt with. Medically, we've been told that this is how some people are 'wired', thereby giving justification for this aberrant behaviour. Yet, if we dig deeper, would not this convoluted mess in our brains also be the result of the sinful nature? God did not give some folk such an inclination to sin, but it surfaces from the root of sin in us. Now, how we deal with it, as all sin, is what God requires of us. As the apostle agonized over his sin(s), something he acknowledged was very real, he confessed that he seemed powerless in the natural man to deal with it as sin followed him everywhere & had its foothold in him - he hated it - he didn't want it at all - but he was subject to its relentless demands upon him that perpetually agonized him. ( Romans 7).
Does the homosexual then have a choice? Or, is the behaviour so much a part of his being, that 'choice' is not an option? Even though the need for love & companionship would rank amongst the most strong & compelling of desires in humans (only next to Survival), I still believe that if a sin is in question, then we also have the power to choose; if not, then there is no hope for forgiveness. They may not be able to rid themselves of this corruption in their being (as Paul well described his predicament), but they can recognize it as sin, come to the foot of the Cross with it & find forgiveness & power to deal with it daily. What makes this so difficult & sensitive an issue, is that that person has to then abstain completely from same gender involvements, as well as deal with the feelings & urges that continually press on the mind. But then, we all have something very real & compelling to deal with in our lives; it becomes then a question: do we obey God & find forgiveness & acceptance, or do we rather satisfy our lusts & reap the fruit therefrom?
DJ, thank you for your comments. Mine were really based on my understanding of this type of behaviour from observations, an ex-work mate & from a childhood friend (now passed on). We both agree that we have an inherent sinful nature from birth, but we seem to part at this point: "God does not equip people to be born with sinful tendencies".
I would agree that it is not God's wilful Act to specially cause us to have 'sinful tendencies' but I see that it is part & parcel of the sin nature we are so born with. In other words, as much as I would hate to admit to having such a fallen nature that could perform ALL types of sin, the Word tells me that this is so, finding, for example, even the root of murder (which is anger), in me. Why then do I not commit murder? Even as an earlier non-Christian, I would be subject to my own conscience, my propensities & urges, govt. law & societal expectations, that place restraint on me. Then why does one commit murder, with its root in anger? Those aspects that once would have restrained, now have little or no regard given to them, rather to satisfy one's lust to commit sin. (onto Page 2.)
Take Jesus's life; not your own. Have you given him a chance to show you what your life can be?
Tell me what's going on, no matter what. I've been through what you're going through, too. You came to the right place.
I thank you from my heart that you took the time to give my question some thought. For Jesus to be a perfect sacrifice, there cannot be any kind of flaw. There is such a thing as a FLOP SWEAT, which is a common occurrence for anyone going through a serious traumatic time. I have had FLOP SWEATS... they are not rare and are not the result of medical condition, but the manifestation of a very trying and worrying time. During the Passover period, the head of a house would hand pick a LAMB that had no SPOT or FLAW, the lamb would be fully examined and checked on a regular basis for any kind of blemish. This process lasted a number of days, and when the head of the house was fully satisfied that the lamb was without flaw, then and only then would that lamb be sacrificed. These selected lambs were VISIBLY perfect. Jesus is the son of God. No one measures up. We all fall short, regardless. Any man on this earth would, and did pale in comparison. In the garden of Gethsemane Jesus was a stones throw away from his disciples, and he prayed alone. He briefly visited them on 2 occasions and found them sleeping. The third time was the last time and Jesus was about to be betrayed. If Jesus sweated blood, the disciples would have been shocked at the sight, as they would have thought he had been injured while they slept. This would have been recorded in detail. It was not. The man who wrote the LUKE account was either also asleep, or he was not there. This account can not be deemed as fact, but more like imaginative artistic description. The KJV of the Bible, is world renowned as being the most accurate translation, and my version says HIS SWEAT WAS AS IT WERE GREAT DROPS OF BLOOD FALLING TO THE GROUND... no one was there to see any blood fall, and it was never mentioned when he came back to the sleeping disciples.....ANY WAY, the blood and water out of the wound on Jesus's side was due to interior trauma that is caused by the act of crucifixion.
In Jesus Mighty Name Father God Almighty I bind satan the strongman, principalities, powers, rulers of darkness & spiritual wickedness in high places. Father God reach down & break the 7 heads of leviathan & separate him from satan the strongman & forbid leviathan from operating through the prince of the power air, in the bush & in the deep for through Jesus Christ we bind, chain & cage every bitter root derived from satan & his army desiring to divide our Nation founded under GOD. Father uphold us with your Mighty Right Hand and push back the plans of the wicked & return 7 fold unto the heads of those who love cursing rather than blessing lest they repent in JESUS Mighty Name All Glory, Honor & Power Belongs to the LORD Jesus Christ! He alone is Righteousness found, Magnificent and HOLY is our GOD!
PRAISE the LORD FOREVER.
Blessed be the Name of the LORD Jesus Christ!
Lord of Lords
King of Kings
Father God in Jesus Mighty Name I loose Forgiveness, Faith, Hope, Love, Mercy, Grace, Loving Kindness, Godly Sorrow, Repentance unto Salvation, Joy, Sound Mind, Complete Restoration, Courage, Godly Wisdom & Knowledge, Endurance, Strength, Eye's to see, Ears to Hear & Hearts to Receive what the Holy Spirit is saying to the Body of Christ. Holy fire hedge of protection & Glory in the midst. The gifts of the Holy Spirit. Gentleness, Boldness to speak the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. God's Favor & the Blessings of Abraham. Thank You JESUS! Praise Ye the LORD & His Righteousness Forevermore! HOLY and MIGHTY is the Lord God Almighty Maker of Heaven & Earth. Of things Seen and Unseen. Worthy is the Lamb of GOD!
Judges Chapter 16:27 Now the house was full of men and women; and all the lords of the Philistines [were] there; and [there were] upon the roof about three thousand men and women, that beheld while Samson made sport.
28 And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.
(Samson asked the Lord for strength to kill himself and the philistines)
29 And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.
30 And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with [all his] might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that [were] therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than [they] which he slew in his life.
Hebrews Chapter 11:31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and [of] Barak, and [of] SAMSON Samson, and [of] Jephthae; [of] David also, and Samuel, and [of] the prophets:
33 Who through FAITH faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Samson committed suicide and he is in the Hebrews hall of faith.
If a person commit sucide he will not enter eternal life.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
The book of Mormon is not from God. It comes from a fallen angel. So you should stop follow Mormonism. Bible is enough.
Jesus christ always remind us the existence of Hell. But the book of Mormon says there is no Hell. And they also equal themselves with God which is unbiblical. Once upon a day Satan wants to equal himself with God and want to sit above his thron. It is the reason he fall from heaven.
Revelation 22:18
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Yes, If you want to repent and ask Lord for forgiveness, He is faithful to forgive you(even it may be bestiality or homosexuality). But blasphemy against holy spirit is not be forgiven.
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
So submit your life unto God and ask for Holy Spirit(which will guide you in the path of rightiousness.
Sounds like what I wrote had no affect so I don't believe discussing further will be fruitful. You asked where the phrase 'hate the sin, love the sinner' is in the Bible- I didn't say that was in the Bible, but it summarizes what the Bible says. Loving others is everywhere throughout the Bible, including the 2nd greatest commandment. The phrase "So we should love satanists who follow satan?" isn't in the Bible either. But the answer is yes, Jesus says to love your neighbor (everyone) as they are made in God's image, not the sin or their evil choices.
I will end the discussion with this verse. It's out of Jesus's mouth and I'm not one to argue with Jesus. God bless...
Matthew 5:43-48
Bible book of Malachi Chapter 1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
And I hated Esau, God said he hated Esau.
Yes I know some will say that this really means he loved less.
so when the Lord hates sin that means he loves sin less?
Oh Paul confirms the above in Romans.
So we should love satanists who follow satan?