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I will said praises unto the Lord forever.god has taken me out of the darkness to let me see the marvelous light. I will trust the Lord at all times. Praises shall continuously be in my mouth Thank you Lord for everything. Amen

Where in the bible can i find the names of the 4th and the 5th Hebrew month names because if i am right, it is not metioning it like the others.

God's word has never changed, no matter the time period.

Let.s pray for Chile in these difficult times of pandimic. This will reach far away in distance phyisically but close in spirit.

Why do you think there's 2 accounts? I haven't seen any evidence toward that. Those 2 verses are not evidence of that. I could only guess why you assume that, but it would only be a guess. Some people have previously interpreted writing structure incorrectly as separate accounts. Maybe this is what you're thinking?

That's based on a logical fallacy though and I can demonstrate. Let's say I see a car wreck and I run up to someone's house and say 'hey, there's been a car wreck and someone's hurt!' then I explain 'A truck came from the west and a car came from the east and they collided and someone broke their leg! Can you call for help?!'

And let's say that instead of calling for help the person says, 'why do you lie? You just said there was a car wreck, and now you claim there is a second car wreck in the same place? And you claim that someone was 'hurt' then someone 'broke their leg', so which is it you hypocrite?

The response is what some people do to the Bible. See, when people explain things they will generally start with a general thesis of what happened, then go into the details. This is common among speeches, and literary works. So, what happens is some people read in Genesis that the God created the heaven and the earth in verse 1, then use the logical fallacy as I just explained to claim that it's contradictory to what the rest of Genesis says. 'Did God create 2 earths? Was there 2 lights? How can it say he created x, then x doesn't happen until day x?' etc. The same logical fallacy over and over which fails to recognize the author simply using typical patterns of being specific vs general. It doesn't mean they are separate accounts.

By chance is that related to your thinking there are 2 separate creation accounts?

If I remember correctly, it was originally titled Song of Songs, not Song of Solomon. Either way, it's still the same book, nothing changed. There are also other books in the bible that the titles have been changed from the original. The book of Acts was originally known as Luke Part II. I think there may have been one or two more, but I would have to research it.

Patrick,

The word for "evil eye" in the Greek text means stingy.

Psalms 61:2

Hear my cry O God, attend to my prayer: This was wise praying from David. He understood that though God hears all prayers in one sense, in the sense of answering and responding favourably. Opening his prayer this way, David did not presume a response from God, but actively asked for the response. True believers are eager for an answering prayers, but living Children of God will never rest till their supplications have entered the ears of the Lord God.

Adam

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How do we still have other races after the flood? The answer is because He has told us that throughout all of Scripture. God said that these nations of the earth would be against the nation of Israel for Israel's correction ( Isaiah 10:5), and that these nations would also be blessed at the end ( Isaiah 19:25).

On a side note; you commented concerning the Tower of Babel.

It is interesting to note that the dispersion of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and their descendants is given in chapter 10, before the cause of their dispersion, which is recorded and explained in chapter 11.

This is an example of a figure of speech known as Hysterologia, (Hys-ter-o-log-i-a). This figure is used when something is put last, which ought, according to the usual order, come first. It is, in a sense, a transposition of connected events.

So then, the events of ( Genesis 10:5, 20, 31, 32) took place after the events of ( Genesis 11:1-9), and the events of ( Genesis 10:5, 20, 31, 32) took place because of the events of ( Genesis 11:1-9).

In other words, it was only after the "tower" ( Genesis 11:4) was built, and judgment was pronounced on the sons of Noah and others, that their language was then confounded, and the "GENERATIONS OF THE SONS OF NOAH" ( Genesis 10:1) were "scattered" ( Genesis 11:7, 8) from that general area into the different "isles" ( Genesis 10:5), "lands" ( Genesis 10:20), and "nations" ( Genesis 10:31), and "peoples" (Revelations 17:5) of the earth.

All good - God Bless!

Adam

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Scripture concerning other "flesh," accounting for a male and female representative of each race to come aboard the Ark can be verified through Scripture. This can absolutely account for the other races of people on the earth after the flood of Noah's time, look at ( Genesis 6:17, 6:19, 7:15, 16, etc.).

The Strong's definition of "Gentile" is a "FOREIGN" nation from the nation of Israel. If there is no foreign nation to Israel because we are all from Adam, then what FOREIGN lands are the children of Noah proceeding into in Genesis 10:5?

"By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations."

Who are the "Gentiles"? How are the Gentiles a product of Adam if the Gentiles are FOREIGN to Adam? It can't be both ways.

The information concerning the "giants" being on the earth after the flood is also verified by Scripture in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that," also look at Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 3:11. If the "Sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4, are not fallen angels, then who do "giants" come from? Humans' mating with humans does not produce a giant. Neither does a change in one's geographical location, nor a confusion of language, will change the ethnicity of a particular race.

If God said that "ALL FLESH" ( Genesis 6:17) would be destroyed that breathed the breath of life, how did the giants survive? Answer- because He told us they survived in Genesis 6:4. The great whales and sea creatures that breathe air survived, but we are not told that. We are told what we need to know. God uses both literal and figurative language, and it is our job to figure it all out. What we do know is that the word of God is the Truth.

Whatever - I repent and sincerely apologize to any "Christian German Scientists labeled a Nazi " But they lied about landing land on something Yahweh has called a light Gen

Adam,

Thank you for your comments.

The two separate accounts of creation can be found in Genesis 1:26-29 and Genesis 2:4-7.

Genesis 1:26-29 is the 6th day account of the creation of the different races that make up mankind, both male and female. The blessings and instructions given in Genesis 1:28 were given to those particular people.

Genesis 2:4-7 is the 6th day account of the creation of the specific man Adam. In Genesis 2:7, God gives us detail as to HOW both Adam and ALL of mankind are formed by Him (from the dust of the ground), but these verses concern only the particular man Adam.

Genesis 2:15-17 are the instructions given to the man Adam that are different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind. Adam was that particular man chosen by God to "till the ground" ( Genesis 2:5) and be a farmer in God's Garden; and try to resist Satan.

Genesis 2:21-23 is the formation of Eve FROM Adam. This is not creation of mankind, both "male and female" as found in Genesis 1:28, which concerns all of the races. This particular lineage is very special for all of mankind. It begins with the divine act of our heavenly Father taking a "rib" from Adam and creating Eve (one from one + the Lord God) and ends with the divine act of the Holy Spirit through Mary bringing about the promised birth ( Genesis 3:15) of the Lord and Savior of all the earth (one from one + the Holy Spirit) ( Isaiah 7:14).

I believe that you are partially correct concerning Adam. Adam is the first man and Eve is the first woman.. OF THE LINEAGE THAT WILL BRING FORTH THE MESSIAH; as 1 Corinthians 15:45 states. The other races were created on the 6th day along with Adam. We know this because God ENDED all of His creative work by the end of the 6th day ( Genesis 2:1, 2).

I ask this simple question - If the Moon is a light, as God proclaims it to be - how come NASA claim they have been walking around on it!?

Also, if the light of the Moon is supposedly reflected sunlight - Why is it colder in the moons light than in its shadow? (Not a theory - But a proven fact)

Furthermore - When I observe the Sun and the Moon in view at certain times - With the Sun fully risen in the East - Why is the Moon only partially lit in the West?

Should it not be fully lit if there is no interference from the so called GLOBE Earth?

"Debating cosmology of the creation of Yahweh has zero to do with salvation I readily admit -

But all to do with DECEPTION!

In Mat 24:3,4

When the disciples asked the Lord - "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the world - He simply said - take heed no man deceive you - YES! i understand he was talking about false Christ's.

But regardless, deception is designed to deceive! And it presents its self in a multitude of ways.

What I am simply trying to point out is this - If this so called "Giant step for mankind" on a so called solid surface of the Moon is presented as fact - Then what do we do with Yahweh's words of truth in Gen 1:16 that states, it is a LIGHT ( Check out what Wesley's comment about light!)

PLEASE!!! - If you cannot reply with fact or scripture - I won't waste my time in reply!

Sarcasm and ridicule were never attributed our Savior - So if you proclaim to be a Christian Please follow his example!

My ultimate result from anything I post is simply this - "What is the TRUTH" and weed out DECEPTION- "Ignorance is no excuse - If an alternate point of view is presented - And willfully ignored!"

As I said before - If anyone can give me fact and or Scripture to prove what I believe is wrong, then the truth will set me free! - If you cannot, all I ask is you have an open mind to research what I have said - Then I pray, the truth will set you free!!

God's Blessing to all who read this

The right hand is the dominant hand for most people. In battle, the right arm would wield the sword or draw the bowstring to shoot the arrow. A king would hold his sceptre in his right hand as a symbol of his power. To be placed at the right hand of the king would signify honor and authority given.

In Genesis 48, Israel placed his right hand of blessing on the head of Joseph's younger son Ephraim while his left hand was on the head of the firstborn son Manasseh. His right hand deliberately conferred a greater blessing on Ephraim.

Jesus Christ is the embodiment of God's right hand of power as Colossians 1 makes evident. He is also elevated to the right hand of God's throne in Heaven as declared in Romans 8:34, Ephesians 1:20, Colossians 3:1, Hebrews 1:3 and elsewhere in the scripture. David trusted the LORD as his Savior and prophetically includes this aspect of the LORD's nature in his psalms.

What does Stout mean in Daniel 7:20 i.e. "whose look was more stout than his fellows" is it referring to being short and fat, or a physical characteristic. Or does it refer to being bold, larger than, look more imposing??

Thanks you

It so warms the heart and spirit, that we are like-minded, in agreement on the Holy Spirits ministry to us as Believers in Jesus. In a sense we can go into the Upper Room with Him, to worship and learn. He loves to reveal Jesus and prepare us for what comes next. Sometimes I ask myself, what is He doing in me today.

There is a passage where Martha was sitting at Jesus's feet, listening to what He was speaking. She gets scolded for not preparing a meal with the others. Jesus says something like, she has chosen the better portion.

That's why I try to show others what Jesus has said we are to be doing. Demonstrating our love for each other (as Gentiles) so that the Jews will see, wonder, and be envious of our relationship to our Beloved, our Savior Jesus, the long awaited for, Messiah.

There's this HUGE dynamic that very few people perceive. We're pounding on the scripture trying to excel past Jews who study endlessly; when it is the fellowship and brotherly & sisterly love, Jesus wants us to excel in. We're going to love them into the Kingdom by our love and obedience to the known will of God.

In Matthew 26, Jesus is having dinner with the Pharisees, elders, etc. Mary Magdalene comes in with this expensive pot of perfumed ointment. Read it. The Pharisees know Jesus will be arrested the next day! Yet they jump up and try to drag Mary out.

(This a memorial to her as Jesus said).

Jews still don't know they missed their Messiah! To this day. Although some of the returning Jews have become Christian in places where they lived.

Minister your love and worship to Jesus and all will be well spoken of you in heaven. There will be a reward for just loving, worshipping and not railing on Jews in public and in private. THEY will know Him by your LOVE for each other. NOT competition.

I apologize for preaching. I'm supposed to be having a quiet day. Thanks so much for your reply.

Repentance does mean turn from sin. The KJV Bible is already translated correctly. People tend to like to only 'retranslate' the words or verses they don't like.

The word repentance is widely misunderstood. The Greek word for repentance in the New Testament is metanoia it means change of mind. It does not mean turn from sin. That is a work. And it does not fit with the context. God repented 27 or so times in the Old Testament. God can't sin. He changed his mind.

Hi DJ,

You said there's 2 accounts of creation in Genesis, but there's only one. It would take a lot of convincing to claim there's more than one.

Also, I believe scripture is clear that Adam is the first man created and Eve is the first woman. I also believe its possible God created other people outside of Eden, such as the land of Nod where Cain found his wife. Genesis 4:16-17.

However this is all irrelevant if you believe in the worldwide flood and only Noah and 7 others were saved, because everyone else on earth was wiped out. Some believe they were 'diverse' representing all races at that time, but I don't believe that.

I believe the Tower of Babel where God changed people's languages resulted in other identity and appearance and culture changes. Genesis 11:1-9. Verse 9 says he then scattered them upon the Earth, which makes logical sense how today ethic groups are largely in certain places: Chinese in China, Indians in India, Spanish in Spain, etc.

Chris,

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These are some very important subjects that you seem to be a bit unsure of. As I am sure you already are, we have to dig a little bit under the surface; that is where the hidden treasure is. If we do not understand what happened in the beginning, how will we understand what will happen in the end?

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man" ( Luke 17:26), also look at Isaiah 46:10, Amos 8:11, Matthew 24:37, 2 Timothy 2:15.

Since we have been discussing the first chapters of Genesis, I will leave you with this.

The sons of God are Angels, look at Job 1:6, 7. The fallen angels came down from heaven and mated SPECIFICALLY with the daughters of Adam, producing giants. The flood came not only to rid the earth of evil men, but to preserve the lineage from which Christ would come (due to the success of the fallen angels).

Satan was an angel. Eve was beguiled by Satan. The word "beguiled" means to be seduced (Strong's). What happened in the garden to Eve (and Adam) was the first attempt to blot out the seed line from which the Messiah would come, and was the same thing the fallen angels were guilty of during their second attempt. The punishment Eve (and the rest of womankind) would from that point forward endure had to do with BIRTH, look at Genesis 3:16; and the punishment Satan faced included a separation of his PROGENY from that of the woman ( Genesis 3:15).

Chris,

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The information given concerning other "flesh," accounting for a male and female representative of each race to come aboard the Ark can be verified through Scripture. This can absolutely account for the other races of people on the earth after the flood of Noah's time, look at ( Genesis 6:17, 6:19, 7:15, 16, etc.).

The Strong's definition of "Gentile" is a "FOREIGN" nation from the nation of Israel. If there is no foreign nation to Israel because we are all from Adam, then what FOREIGN lands are the children of Noah proceeding into in Genesis 10:5? "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." Who are the "Gentiles"? How are the Gentiles a product of Adam if the Gentiles are FOREIGN to Adam? It can't be both ways.

The information concerning the "giants" being on the earth after the flood is also verified by Scripture in Genesis 6:4, "and also after that," also look at Numbers 13:33, Deuteronomy 3:11. If the "Sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:2, 4, are not fallen angels, then who do "giants" come from? Humans' mating with humans does not produce a giant.

If God said that "ALL FLESH" ( Genesis 6:17) would be destroyed that breathed the breath of life, how did the giants survive? Answer- because He told us they survived in Genesis 6:4. The great whales and sea creatures that breathe air survived, but we are not told that. We are told what we need to know. God uses both literal and figurative language, and it is our job to figure it all out. What we do know is that the word of God is the Truth.

How do we still have other races after the flood? The answer is because He has told us that throughout all of Scripture. God said that these nations of the earth would be against the nation of Israel for Israel's correction ( Isaiah 10:5), and that these nations would also be blessed at the end ( Isaiah 19:25).

Hey Chris,

We have examined the Scriptures and come to different conclusions. This is the beauty of the Word of God. Let us all keep learning and growing in His word.

I will leave you with some final thoughts and questions concerning these particular topics.

The information concerning the two separate and distinct accounts of the creation of man and the separate instructions given in Genesis 1:26-29 from that given in Genesis 2:4-7 can clearly account for the creation of mankind in general and the creation of Adam in particular.

If we are all ancestors of the singular man Adam you say accounts for Genesis 1:26-29 AND Genesis 2:4-7, how have we such distinct and separate races upon the earth after 6000 years of interbreeding?

One race mating with the same race does not produce another race or all the races; neither does migration.

If we are all derived from one man, than we would only have one nation to speak of because we would all be of the same lineage! How then do we in the third dispensation of time (when we are all with God again) still find a distinction between the house of Israel and the other nations? In Revelations 21:24, we find the different Kings of the nations bringing their glory and honour inside the gates? (i.e. they live outside the gates; and we are all with God at this point in time.

We are ALL of the family of God, i.e. of one blood ( Acts 17:26, 1John 1:7); but all are NOT of the same lineage.

If God makes a distinction between the lineage of Adam and the nation of Israel from every other NATION upon the earth, shouldn't we!

Hello, I'll share my personal opinion (not based on scripture). The eyes are our lenses which can be used to narrow our view or focus on what we want or hope to see. They can be used to seek out things, and used for good or... evil. For example, lust. But it can be used for people looking to sin, take advantage of or harm others, or cause trouble- an evil eye. So, I think it's a metaphor for a certain viewpoint of someone looking to do evil. Here's a related verse: Matthew 5:29

From my understanding an evil eye, is looking upon evil with a desire to do the same. A lust for doing evil. We all are tainted by the fall of Adam when sin entered the world, so we need to fight against being lustful. Desiring other people's stuff, someone's wife, etc. We are to be content with what God has given us, and be thankful at all times for who God has made us and what we have. Resting in Him.

Disagree..I'm still baffled with Judaism didn't believe Christ was the sent one

pls lord send me my future husband man will never cheat will ove me and these kids spoil me move us out of this small apt

Mark 7:22, what is an evil eye?

Just want to say, God Bless any of you who carry on this conversation (I must drop out of it now) - I def. don't mean it to divide our BODY (there is enough division) - it was just my own personal thoughts, not meant to be a matter of contention.

To the administrators of this site: I am thankful for and greatly appreciate it!

Sincerely,

KG

Hi Michael - I agree totally that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was not just for Jews back then - I meant that those in line to get water baptized by John were (most likely - I wasn't there lol) mainly, if not all, Jews. Once the Jewish nation rejected Jesus as their Messiah (in general - not counting Jesus' Jewish followers) and delivered Him up for crucifixion, He rises and His disciples get Hot on fire spreading the word here, there and everywhere -

and then PAUL really gets the ball rolling and spreads the gospel to the Gentiles:

( Eph. 3:8 Unto ME, who am less than the least of all saints, IS THIS GRACE GIVEN, THAT *I* SHOULD PREACH AMONG the GENTILES the unsearchable riches of Christ)

I just wanted to share my thoughts on water baptism and go no further, but I am so with you about the Comforter coming! and Jesus' disciples being beyond JOY when He arrived!!!

I guess though, I have to say - I believe, in this dispensation of GRACE - that when we are saved - at that moment -

we become "In Christ" -

( 2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore IF ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST, HE IS A NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new)

At the moment we are saved we are IN CHRIST - in other words, we are IMMERSED in HIM - and, as we all know, baptism is about being immersed (Some immerse in water - Jesus immerses/baptized us IN HIM - meaning we are IMMERSED/BAPTIZED at that moment in HIS HOLY SPIRIT -as opposed to His physical body)

So, in a nutshell, I believe we are 'baptized in the Holy Spirit' the moment we are saved - I know for myself, I never needed to speak in tongues to get set on FIRE

I believe 'Tongues' are actual earthly languages - ( Acts 2:6 -because that every man heard them speak in his own lang)

I Cor 13:8-10

whether there be tongues, they shall cease... but when that which is PERFECT (God's Word =The Bible) is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. (shortening verses because of space)

The Bible IS COME