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It's not that I don't see what you're getting at, I truly do. But I feel that not many people are getting what I'm saying! I keep getting from people the reasons other translations are inferior, but my point is; Truly, it doesn't matter! To put things in perspective I'll illustrate: More often than not scholar think that the best way to get the true meaning from scripture is to learn and read scripture in its original language. Now, the obvious problem arises, I have to learn the original language, and this takes time. The obvious response to this problem is, "Well, then learn the original language! For if God means so very much to someone then it's a small price to pay!" And, for the worldly wise this answer may seem appropriate, yet the obvious problem is that until I learn and become fluent in the original language I'm in jeopardy of condemnation because I'm ignorant of the truth!
Now, this is an exaggerated situation but my POINT is exemplified: if the Real Truth is only found in a book then one Must have the "right" book. Some will say "Well, that's true because if someone doesn't have the holy bible then how can they KNOW Christ?" To that I say, if someone needs a book to know God then he truly isn't God! My God and Father isn't bound by ANYTHING, least of all a book! Now, the enemy might stir some to think that I speak against the holy bible, I don't. What I speak against is ANY limitation placed upon God! If God can use a demon or a donkey, why would He be limited by a words or a translation? The obvious question to my statement is, "If someone doesn't have the holy bible then how would they hear of Christ?" To that I refer to Proof that God isn't limited by ANYTHING! Romans 2:13-16 This passage is my Evidence that God is FAITHFUL even though we are faithless. And, that is what the holy bible is, evidence, not God. For how did the Gentiles know the law, thought they never had the law? God placed His Law upon their hearts so that they live by It.
1 John 3:4 (KJV) 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 (NKJV) 4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
1Jn 3:4 The opposite of purifying oneself is found in verse four: "Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." The word commits is literally does (Gk., poieo). It is a matter of continual behavior, expressed by the present, continuous tense. It is possible to have sin even if there is no law. Sin was in the world between the time of Adam and Moses, but this was before God's law had been given. Thus it is not entirely accurate to say "that sin is a transgression of the law" (1611 KJV), but rather that sin is lawlessness. It is insubordination to God, wanting one's own way, and refusing to acknowledge the Lord as rightful Sovereign. In essence, it is placing one's own will above the will of God. It is opposition to a Living Person who has the right to be obeyed.
This chapter is primarily focused on the Millennium promises of blessings and old age for Jerusalem; peace; and a return from diaspora. It demonstrates how all nations will be blessed and desire the God of Israel as well (v. 22-23).
Verses 2-3 state
2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury.3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.
God is a jealous God as we see in Exodus 34:14. We are reminded from Christ's zealous behavior in the Temple in Matthew 21:13 of the verse in Isaiah 56:7 and that speaks to these passages as well as to Jerusalem being a city of prayer for the whole earth someday. Later chapters in Zechariah discuss Christ fighting for Israel when they finally recognize that Christ is their Messiah; not before.
Verses 9-10 remind those who built the Temple in that time of the resistance. But verses 11-12 contrast what will happen in the last days. Verses 14-15 state: 14 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; As I thought to punish you, when your fathers provoked me to wrath, saith the Lord of hosts, and I repented not:15 So again have I thought in these days to do well unto Jerusalem and to the house of Judah: fear ye not.
Verse 19 discusses the subject of fasts and feasts asked about earlier. Apparently these will go on during the Millennium period.
Yet for the father of Canaan it was grist for his rumour mill. When Noah got to hear what he had done he curses him, "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren." This is how many Christians who claim they are born again but still cling on to the ways of the world and of the flesh. How can the member of the body of Christ speak ill of another member? He stands or falls and is for Christ the Head to judge.
Heb. Noach meaning rest. Foreshadows Jesus Christ who is the Mediator between God and man. In a similar manner Noah serves as the link between the old world and the new. God did not spare "the old world, but saved Noah (2 Pe.2:5)"
The period "the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing," was one hundred and twenty years (Ge.6:3)) to which the Spirit gives a basis for baptism by water, where in few, that is, eight souls were saved by water'(1 Pe.3:20). Good conscience is equally applied to body, spirit and soul.
Righteousness of Noah came from God, for he testified, "for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation."(7:1).. The writer to the Hebrews annotates his faith as thus ,"By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."(He.11:7) His faith was such God found him worthy to inherit the new earth. The ark foreshadows the body of Christ, the New Jerusalem.
Noah did not step out of the ark as he went in. Neither did His volume come by the ark. He did according to the word of God, and his body put on Christ as it were by baptism of water. So 12x10 whether you take in days or years is immaterial. He walked with God as Enoch.
He also became a husbandman that connects him to the Son, who would declare, "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener." The Spirit connects Noah as having put on the mind of Christ. His three sons are like three branches equally representing the soul, the spirit and the flesh. "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."(John15:5).
One day Noah lay drunk and 'was within the tent'. Of his three sons Ham representing the flesh was quick to tattletale on his father.
Father God, let them lean on and follow Your word and worship You.
GOD to shine His face on all who are on this forum and bless us gloriously.
September 9, 2023 Amen!
It's important to note that these translations do not use the Westcott and Hort text exclusively but incorporate various critical scholarship and manuscript evidence to produce their editions of the New Testament. Different editions and revisions of these translations may have variations in the Greek text used. Additionally, some translations, like the KJV and the New King James Version (NKJV), continue to use the Textus Receptus as their Greek text source for the New Testament.
NOW that being said... Here is the REAL issue now.
Even if a NEW KJV version would be done using the Textus Receptus TODAY! It would not be as good as the KJV for ONE reason. The men and now "women" translating it are viewing it through the lens of a POST-Feminist Western culture. So they can't help but misinterpret its true meaning. Telling women to submit to their husbands for example in 2023 is NOT socially acceptable.
I'll touch on this as briefly as possible...
1. The KJV uses the Textus Receputs other translations don't.
2. Some of the other translations use the Wescott & Hort Greek New Testament those too guys were heretics.
The Westcott and Hort Greek New Testament, also known as the "Critical Text," was a significant edition of the Greek New Testament published in the late 19th century. It represented a departure from the Textus Receptus, which had been the basis for many earlier English translations, such as the King James Version (KJV).
Many modern Bible translations use the Westcott and Hort text or a revised version of it as the basis for their New Testament. Some of the popular Bible translations that use the Westcott and Hort Greek text or a similar critical text include:
1. **Revised Standard Version (RSV)** - The RSV was one of the first major English translations to incorporate critical text principles, including the Westcott and Hort Greek text, when it was published in 1952.
2. **New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)** - The NRSV is an update of the RSV and also uses the Westcott and Hort text as a basis for its New Testament.
3. **English Standard Version (ESV)** - The ESV is a more recent translation that has its roots in the Revised Standard Version and the Westcott and Hort text.
4. **Common English Bible (CEB)** - The CEB, published in 2011, also relies on the critical text tradition, which includes the Westcott and Hort Greek text.
5. **New International Version (NIV)** - While the NIV is not based directly on the Westcott and Hort text, it incorporates elements of modern textual criticism and is influenced by critical text principles.
6. **New American Standard Bible (NASB)** - The NASB is another translation that relies on modern critical editions of the Greek New Testament and is influenced by the Westcott and Hort text.
But Jema I have been a believer that the KJB is the pure preserved Word of God for many years, I just recently found that channel (Truth is Christ) and the one thing it did for me was confirm that the KJB is the Inspired Word of God! God has put His signature throughout the KJB, and only in the KJB. If God did preserve His Words in a book then don't you think He could, or would leave proof in that book in ways we really don't understand with our human minds? ( Dan 12:4) says "shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased". The book is sealed until the time of the end, then knowledge shall be increased! We are living the time of the end NOW!
( Isa 55:8-9) Our thoughts cannot compare to the thoughts of God.
Here is just 2 examples of God's signature in the KJB.
1st) The words God + Jesus + Holy Spirit are mentioned 777+777+777 times in the New Testament! The word (seven) is #7650; it means to be complete, to seven oneself, i.e. swear (as if by repeating a declaration seven times) charge (by an oath, with an oath) take an oath. ( Ps 12:6-7) The words of the LORD are pure words, purified ((seven)) times!
2nd) Jesus says in ( Rev 22:13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
The first word in the first verse of the Bible is (In) the last word in the last verse of the Bible is (Amen) these two words are mentioned in the Bible 777 times!
Do you think a man's mind did that, or do you think that God did that?
Ronald was concerned about divination, Isn't divination witchcraft? I believe this is the way God signed His Name in His pure, preserved Words, it has nothing to do with witchcraft. It is IN the Word of God!
This is Conformation that God was in control of the KJB being translated into the English language in 1611!
God Bless you Jema.
First off; I don't tell God what "signs and wonders" gifts He is capable of doing today; nor use the verse 1 Cor. 13:10 to justify cessation of gifts (just new scriptures after Revelation). On the other hand; when we look at medical verification of healings (also valid with such verses as Luke 17:14 when the Priests were to ascertain a true healing) we see few healings corroborated beyond hearsay. We cannot deny megachurches and the "fithly lucre" ( 1 Peter 5:2) that often shows bad fruit of the Pastors and leaders there motivating individuals to name "healing ministries" after themselves. We also cannot ignore how rarely most churches attempt any interpretation of tongues; and how often the same pattern of babbling seems to infect a crowd; rather than an unknown earthly language that edifies others; or a heavenly language that seems distinct. If we keep in mind Paul's admomitions about a few clear words than 10,000 unknown (1 Corithians 14:19) and things are done decently and in order; OR in our personal prayer alone then I certainly am open to tongues.
As far as teaching and wisdom most believers certainly seek these gifts. Those on the mission field have for decades reported more dramatic things such as visions and dreams particularly among Muslims about Christ. God will perform works in His timing to suit His purposes.
Agape.
You see bibleman72.
Thank You for showing us all lord scriptures explaining what each one should give under the new arrangement! Amen.
The Apostles instructed each one to set aside what he could afford on the first day of the week. Do So you to. And accept the blessing.
When I woke up last night, I thought: you shouldn't do a thing if you don't have faith for it.
Hope you can repaired the bathroom, we all live in chaotic times some days and especially when they should not have come.
Put off all religiosity and start thanking the Lord. In Jesus name. It is not tithing of no income you should give,
Stay strong in God's Word, then you always have refills. Love u in Christ. God bless you and your mother.
Matthew 11 chapter.
Thank you for your comments, but I don't think that you are understanding what I'm trying to articulate. Look at my comments to Jimbob: Jimbob was saying that the true translation is the KJV. I responded that the holy bible is only a book, and that the TRUE Word of God is The Holy Spirit not a book of paper and ink, thus translation doesn't mean much because God (The Holy Spirit) makes things make sense rather than a book. Jimbob replied back that the holy bible is more than just a book, (true by the way). Then I said in response to that, that I Love the holy bible and that I only speak against it, NOT out of any I'll will, but ONLY because many people can't tell that the holy bible is NOT God, for God created the holy bible and we are to Worship The Creator NOT the created!
Now, to your response: You go on about how important accurate translation is from the original text so that we may accurately get all patterns and mysteries (cryptic messages numbers of letters etc). To all that I see where you are coming from, in fact I had a conversation with God about this very issue! I point to Jeremiah 8:8-9 and ask, "Father! How can I believe the holy bible when you rebuke the lying pen of the scribes!" My Father said to me "Am I God?", to which I replied "Yes Father." Then He said, "Then accept that though man has changed scripture, I Am God and they have not changed it beyond usefulness." Thus, The True Word of God, (that which He placed in my heart) is intact. Let me be even clearer, The Holy Spirit tells me what to pay attention to and how to lose" it!
No worries... The most IMPORTANT thing to do is read your Bible. Those are God's Holy words that speak to our hearts and help us grow. As you study His Words you will grow spiritually and it will help you defend yourself from false teaching. Take it one book at a time. Attending a good Protestant church preferably where the bible is preached at the pulpit. Don't hate the commentaries... I've used them and I've learned a lot. Matthew Henry's Commentary is nice, C.I. Scofield's notes and BBC Bible Believer's Commentary are all pretty popular.
We are here to help also if you have questions.
May the blessings of the Lord be upon you.
In regard to the previous conundrum; it is clear that there is no perfect word for word translation from the Hebrew; Greek or Aramaic to the English language. Therefore; we can get closer to the original text; or closer to understandable English for sentence composition and keep a balance to preserve the basic integrity of the text. Greek has MORE meanings to the same word so that often we can say several different words for the meaning. Certain words such as and; but etc can be added to make more sense; and Paul's famous "run on" sentences can be shortened a bit to maintain sanity.
Obviously the 1611 version and older Tyndale etc are very hard to understand. The biggest issue for other more modern versions is care needs to be taken so that Christ isn't somehow reduced from being part of the Godhead. Certain politically skewed versions clearly are spurious and need to be avoided.
One other issue is older vs newer commentaries; for instance before the 20th Century no one knew Israel would become a nation again although some were able to ascertain the fact from prophetic truths. The church was often subtituted for Israel; and a Pope said to be Antichrst (who today is more apt to be the False Prophet). There is no doubt that many justified Holy Wars based on a militant church rather than holding to the admonition of Christ that His Kingdom is not of this world. I would say that concepts of Predestination the Reformers revisited are crucial points; but again any doctrine can't be divorced from the rest of scripture (such as the need for Repentance; and Holy living).
In the end; the countless thousands of cross references between the Old and New Testament show how it functions as one book; despite centuries between the lives of the authors we see numerous fulfilled prophecies and many yet to come for the Millennium and beyond related to Christ; Israel and the church.
Hope some of this helps.
Agape; Rich P
Yes, I gave a different view by asking a question. Sometimes, a question "tills the field" better than a statement because it gives the reader a chance to come to the conclusion on their own. You see, perspective is key to understanding, and it's perspective that allows us to "see" the another's eyes and understand! Now, concerning the serpent in The Garden; God said Do Not, and the serpent asked "why not"? The serpent did what "the flesh" (sarx) always does, tempt! I'm sure doubt is a part of this, yet I ask is God really ALMIGHTY? Because if He is, and He TRULY is, then "the fall" of man was always The Plan of God from The Beginning! I'll put it more clearly, the fall of mankind was Always supposed to happen. It is either, accept this truth, or believe that satan is at least as Powerful as God. How else did satan get into The Garden and have access to Adam & Eve? God allowed it.
Furthermore, it saddens me to think that you can't tell the difference between The Word Of God (The Holy Spirit), and the holy bible. You see the holy bible is holy, just, and good BUT it is a created thing and God is The Creator of the thing! We are Commanded to Worship The Creator NOT the created! Romans 1:20-25 It is for this transgression that our understanding is darkened. For The Word does and will Endure Forever, somehow I Understand that The Word is God and not a book made of paper and ink! Why else does God place His Law in our inward parts (heart) Jeremiah 31:33-34 Again, The True Gospel is NOT from a book, It is from The Holy Spirit of God.
I am with God sir, and where ever I am it is where God put me! What irks me the most is that I have to speak against a book not because of any ill will for I LOVE the holy bible, I speak against a book because people can't tell the difference from a book and God ALMIGHTY! God is Spirit and we are HIS tabernacles.
May you and yours receive what you are asking for with joy and gladness.