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Science after the days of Galileo wants to believe the truth only after it is proved correct. Whereas God is only knowable through his word which is inerrant. So Science and religion speak altogether different things. In Christ is the fulness so even stemcells cloned or a cyborg is created must come under his sovereignty. A man with heart valves taken from a pig in the lab does not mean whether pigs have a soul or not. It is man's faith that determines the question of his salvation. Fellowship of God is with Man, his Son and whsoever believes in him.

Hi the enemy attacked me by flooding my back bathroom by the toilet overflowing suddenly when i was trying to plunge it unstuck.I managed to mop most of it up but i see now upon further examination it has a broken chain inside and i have no choice if iwant it to be fixed but to call a plumber.I already have bills needing to be paid.And i am disabled and have little money.I give above the tithe ,so it is not that i am robbing God.I humbly ask you to pray for me a financial blessing from God.I normally would NEVER ask for that but i need money topay my bills.

PART 5

(7) It must be emphasized that while spiritual backsliding is a danger for all who drift from faith in Christ ( Heb 2:1-3) and turn away from God (6:6), ultimate apostasy resulting in the hopeless condition described in the previous point does not occur without constant and deliberate resistance against the Holy Spirit (see Mt 12:31, note on sin against the Holy Spirit). Just as we are not saved by our own works and efforts, but by God's grace (see Eph 2:8-9; Tit 3:5), neither are we fully condemned to separation from God by our actions alone (although we will be judged by them; 2Co 5:10). People are saved spiritually by accepting God's grace and putting their faith in Christ; and people are condemned spiritually by rejecting (or simply not accepting) God's grace and refusing to put their faith in Christ (cf. 12:15, 25; Ac 19:19; 2Th 2:10; Rev 16:9). Refusing to have faith in God can be expressed in several ways, including refusing to believe in God, refusing to rely on God, refusing to take God at his Word, refusing to admit the wrongness of our own way, refusing to accept God's way of spiritual salvation through Christ alone and refusing to accept God's help and involvement in our lives. A person who allows his or her heart to become hardened or rebellious toward God by refusing him in any of these ways is in serious danger of rejecting God permanently (3:12).

PART 4

(6) If spiritual "backsliding" (i.e., neglecting or abandoning one's faith and personal relationship with Christ) continues on its course without change, individuals may eventually reach the point where no new beginning is possible. That is to say, they will not be able to start over and renew their faith in God because no one is able to do this on their own apart from God's grace and the power of his Holy Spirit. (a) Those who once had a saving experience with Christ but deliberately and continually harden their hearts to the Spirit's voice ( Heb 3:7-19), continue to sin willfully ( Heb 10:26) and refuse to turn from their own way back to God may reach a point of no return where repentance and salvation are no longer possible ( Heb 6:4-6; see Dt 29:18-21, note; 1Sa 2:25, note; Pr 29:1, note). There is a limit to God's patience (see 1Sa 3:11-14; Mt 12:31-32; 2Th 2:9-11; Heb 10:26-29, 31; 1Jn 5:16). (b) This point of no return cannot be defined in advance. The only safeguard against the danger of ultimate (i.e., full and final) apostasy is to take this warning seriously: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts" ( Heb 3:7-8, 15; 4:7).

PART 3

(4) Examples of actual apostasy can be found in Ex 32; 2Ki 17:7-23; Ps 106; Isa 1:2-4; Jer 2:1-9; Ac 1:25; Gal 5:4; 1Ti 1:18-20; 2Pe 2:1, 15, 20-22; Jude 1:4, 11-13; see article on The Age of the Antichrist, for comments on apostasy predicted to occur within the church in the last days before Christ returns to take the faithful in his churches from the world.

(5) The steps that lead to apostasy are as follows:

(a) Believers-those who have accepted God's forgiveness and entered a personal relationship with him through faith in Christ-become spiritually unconcerned, resistant or outright rebellious. These individuals show their unbelief by failing to take seriously all of the truths, challenges, warnings, promises and teachings of God's Word ( Mk 1:15; Lk 8:13; Jn 5:44, 47; 8:46).

(b) If the realities and desires of the world become a higher priority than the realities and desires of God's kingdom and purposes, then believers gradually cease to recognize and experience companionship with God through Christ ( Heb 4:16; 7:19, 25; 11:6).

(c) Because of the deceitfulness of sin (i.e., anything that offends or defies God or falls short of his standard), believers become increasingly tolerant of sin in their own lives ( 1Co 6:9-10; Eph 5:5; Heb 3:13). They no longer love what is right and hate what is wrong (see Heb 1:9, note).

(d) Their hearts become spiritually hardened ( Heb 3:8, 13), resistant and unresponsive to God. Eventually, they openly reject his way (3:10), ignoring the repeated inner voice and rebuke of the Holy Spirit ( Eph 4:30; 1Th 5:19-22).

(e) The Holy Spirit becomes grieved ( Eph 4:30; cf. Heb 3:7-8), his fire is "put out" ( 1Th 5:19) and his temple (i.e., the person's body and life) is violated ( 1Co 3:16). As a result, the Holy Spirit eventually departs from the believer's life (Jdg 16:20; Ps 51:11; Ro 8:13; 1Co 3:16-17; Heb 3:14).

PART 2

(2) The Christian faith is primarily about relationship to and companionship with God. The Bible speaks of God as the Father, Jesus Christ as the Son and those who accept Christ by faith as God's family and children (Ro 8:14-17). This means that spiritual salvation through faith in Christ is personal, relational and requires our individual response. God's grace (i.e., his unearned and undeserved favor, love and spiritual enablement)-made available through the personal sacrifice of Christ-is enough to forgive and save us spiritually and to sustain our relationship with God. In Jesus' illustration about the vine and the branches ( Jn 15:1-8), the believer (branch) who remains united in relationship with Christ (vine) is spiritually secure and has life. However, if that believer becomes spiritually rebellious or faithless toward God and chooses to break from his or her grace-union with Christ, then he or she becomes cut off from the source of life. A person who remains in this condition will, in the end, lose the privilege of living eternally in the presence of God, just as one who never accepted Christ (cf. Jn 15:6).

(3) The Bible gives urgent warnings about this serious and sobering possibility. These warnings are designed both to alert us to the deadly danger of abandoning our union with Christ and to motivate us to remain faithful and obedient to him. We must not ignore or treat lightly God's purpose for these warnings and develop the attitude that says, "the warnings are real, but the possibility of actual apostasy is not." Rather, we must take these warnings seriously, realizing that they apply in a very real sense to how we use our time on earth until we receive our full, complete and final salvation in eternity with God. A few of the many NT passages that warn us are: Mt 24:4-5, 11-13; Lk 12:46; Jn 15:1-6; Ac 14:21-22; Ro 11:17-21; 1Co 15:1-2; Col 1:23; 1Ti 4:1, 16; 6:10-12; 2Ti 4:2-5; Heb 2:1-3; 3:7-19; 4:1, 6-7; 6:4-9; 10:26-31; 12:25; Jas 5:19-20; 2Pe

PART 1

Heb 3:12 "See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God."

Apostasy (Gk apostasia) appears twice in the NT as a noun (Ac 21:21; 2Th 2:3). But here in Heb 3:12 it is used as a verb (Gk aphistemi, meaning to "turn away"). The Greek term literally means "standing away" from God, and it relates to spiritual rebellion, abandonment, withdrawal or turning from what one has previously believed and experienced in a relationship with Christ. It typically involves denying a once sincere faith, disowning Jesus and abandoning the body of Christ (i.e., the church community), although some who have turned their backs on a relationship with Christ may still pretend to be part of the church. Apostasy is the consequence of a willing and deliberate choice to "turn away from the living God" (3:12).

(1) To apostatize means to break off from one's saving relationship with Christ or to withdraw from union with and faith in him (see article on Faith and Grace). For this reason, individual apostasy (as differentiated from a group, church, people or nation rejecting God) is possible only for those who have first experienced God's forgiveness and been spiritually "born again" ( Jn 3:3-7) and renewed through a personal relationship with Christ (cf. Lk 8:13; 6:4-5; 10:29). Apostasy is not simply a denial of NT belief and teaching by those in the church who do not truly have a personal relationship with Christ. In fact, apostasy may involve two separate but related stages of rejection: (a) theological apostasy, which is a rejection of all or some of the original teachings of Christ and those used by God to write his Word ( 1Ti 4:1; 2Ti 4:3) and (b) moral apostasy, which involves a former believer willingly breaking away from a personal relationship with Christ and becoming spiritually enslaved again to sin and its lifestyle ( Isa 29:13; Mt 23:25-28; Ro 6:15-23; 8:6-13).

Ronald Whittemore

I do appreciate your opinion Ronald but I really do need to reply, but not to debate. I only hold the KJB high because I see it as the True Word of God. Wouldn't you if you believed that?

You said these videos are using numerology to prove an opinion. Ronald these videos are using the Words in the KJB to prove those Words are Inspired by God Himself.

These patterns work only in the KJB, and they show us God's number of perfection, the #7 or 77, or 777 connecting in many many different ways with His name. In ( Ps 138:2) It says "for thou hast magnified (THY WORD) above all thy name".

Why is it so hard for people to believe that God would Inspire and preserve His Word in a Bible for the last generation just like He did in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts?

If the preservation is only in the manuscripts then what good does that do us today?

I think the Spirit of truth is the KJB! ( Jn 16:13-15) "when the Spirit of truth is come "he will guide you into all truth"; for he will not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come".

The Comforter is the Holy Ghost in ( Jn 14:26) "he will teach you all things".

If the Spirit of truth is the KJB then the only way for the Holy Ghost to teach us all things is for us to have or be using the Spirit of truth!

John chapters 14 through 16 are very worthy of deep studies.

The English language is the second language of pretty much every single nation in the world. If God did preserve His Words doesn't it make sense it would be in the English language which also is connected with the greatest Christian nation in the world?

( Mt 24:14) "And this gospel of the kingdom SHALL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come".

The greatest Christian nation in the world is the only way this verse could be fulfilled in this world today!

This is not meant for debate Ronald.

And I really do appreciate your comment.

Blessings to you.

Rainwalker,

We are subject to earth time while with Omnipresent God time is of no concern. The Spirit gives us a reconstituted time where the Son who was with God from the beginning as well as his humanity are to be integrated. This calls for time on a different scale. This is what St Peter writes, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Pe.3:8) Moses also refers to it. " For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Ps.90:4) Now is the day of Salvation, is a warning for us. Whereas our calling in his Son is set in His time. So we are nitpicking to speak of time that we cannot really understand. Faith is what we require.

Why do so many churches not believe or teach the 9 gifts of the Spirit, or the baptism of the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking with other tongues?

Father God, also bless her children, that they learn from the Bible of Your love for them.

Amen

Doreen1, wonderful! Read God's word, pray, and find a good church that preaches straight from the Bible. God bless you sister.

Father God, I thank You for Doreen1's salvation. Doreen1 read God's word, actually pray for understanding before you read His word. That way you will apply what you read. God bless you and I love you. Your sister in Christ.

Hallelujah! Father God, I pray that everyday be a fruitful day. That JoeyQuick also help others even if just a smile and a "God bless you." Father God bless all Your servants that nonbelievers be saved through our work for You. Thank you Lord. In the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ. Amen

There seems to be a lot of communication issues here! If we are to study scripture; we of course can start with the Pantateuch (or the first five books of the O.T. from Genesis to Deuteronomy. In the ORIGINAL hebrew scrolls things were copied and counted letter for letter; and if the copy was off by even ONE letter the whole manuscript would be trashed and it would be started again!

With the prophecies and other quoted references in the New Testament so well integrated and inextricable from the Old testament; as well as similar patterns seen in the New Testament (some of these relating to mysterious patterns of repeated cryptic messages skipping the same number of letters); not to mention historical proofs show the New Testament as well is the Word of God.

We of course have the immense number of manuscripts which remain; ultimately we have to trust the 1st Century scholars who rejected spurious texts such as the Gospel of Thomas or Judas and other such things; much as the Apocrypha was correctly left out of Holy Writ because of either errant doctrines (such as praying for the dead in Maccabees).

The New Testament accounts vary based on the emphasis of the author; and certain books have details about events that aren't i others. A few examples exist where the original manuscript may have an issue with a section (such as the later part of the woman at the well). It is possible at tines that similar events could seem the same. Many things are in more than one Gospel; such as His rule on divorce (not allowed in Luke and Mark); mentioned twice in Matthew with the "fornication" clause for an exception. Matthew has the complete sermon on the mount; others parts of it. The Lord's prayer is in Matthew with a slightly abbreviated version in Luke (again this is only a model or type of prayer). Geneology is emphasizing different things in Matthew and Luke as well; (Joseph in Matthew; Mary in part for Luke). Each Gospel writer is verified by historical record.

Zechariah 7

Verse 3 states:

"And to speak unto the priests which were in the house of the LORD of hosts, and to the prophets, saying, Should I weep in the fifth month, separating myself, as I have done these so many years?"

Verse 4-6 state: 4 Then came the word of the Lord of hosts unto me, saying, 5 Speak unto all the people of the land, and to the priests, saying, When ye fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh month, even those seventy years, did ye at all fast unto me, even to me? 6 And when ye did eat, and when ye did drink, did not ye eat for yourselves, and drink for yourselves?

We are reminded here of parallel passages in Isaiah 58; verse 4 states "Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high."

Zechariah 7:9-10 goes on to say 9 Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother: 10 And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

Again in Isaiah 58:6-7 we see simiilar admonitions: 6Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? 7Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

We can see here in the rest of this chapter in Zechariah the results which were the captivity; in the Isaiah passage the end of that chapter talks about blessings should they heed a correct fast in their worship. These are all things we should take into consideration if we find ourselves going through the motions of worship without putting our heart into it. Revelation 2:4 is a good warning for our example in this matter.

Please don't feel bad , we are all humans and as such we live in this world , we have physical needs and it's so easy to feel insecure and afraid in this life , you are not alone feeling like that :) . Please remember just how much God loves you . If you put your trust in Him and do your best to live the kind of life that He wants you to , having faith in Him , doing your best to take on board the lessons that Jesus taught us in the Bible , you will be fine . Remember also that this world isn't your final destination , you have a promise of eternal life , in a world where there will be no such thing as money , no need for it , everyone will have everything that they need , not just physically but also spiritually . You have better things to look forward to so , stick with God , be patient and trust Him to give you what you need and put you where you are supposed to be . The things of this life are temporary , God's love and mercy and Kingdom are eternal , you are known to Him , He sees you .

Dear Rosegold,

I am happy to pray for you and your son today.

Heavenly Father, Rosegold and her son need your help in obtaining the necessary income to get into a home for the two of them, which you truly know. We are asking You in the name of Jesus to fulfill this need quickly as the colder months are approaching. Bless them with abundance too live in a safe and secure home and with the funds to pay the expenses of rent/mortgage, insurance, etc. Give them the monetary blessing to buy their groceries, clothing, and all other necessities. And we ask that You bring about an end to their homeless situation. Thank you, Lord. Amen.

You know Jema I know this but sometimes I feel like my faith, trust and belief is being trampled on. I can't feel what I know to be true in my soul.

Sincerely,

Thank you

Adam Webb sr

Thank you for your comment.

( Ps 12:6-7) The words of the LORD are pure words.

( Proverbs 30:5-6) Every word of God is pure.

The word (pure) is #2889; it means pure (in a physical, chemical, ceremonial or moral sense) clean, sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated, innocent or holy.

( Deut 8:3) "that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by ((every word)) that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live".

( Mt 4:4) "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by ((every word)) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God".

In ( Ps 138:2) "for thou hast magnified (THY WORD) above all thy name".

( Jn 14:23-24) v23 "If a man love me, ((he will keep)) ((my words)) and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him".

Today we are either a Bible Believer, or we are a Bible corrector.

Bible Believers believe that God preserved His Words perfectly, it is given by Inspiration of God!

Bible correctors believe that God preserved His Words in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts but then He just leaves the largest population of people ever in the history of the world without His True Words to read and study for themselves! And that would mean He leaves those without His True Words in the Lastdays, the worse possible time ever where deception is everywhere.

Would God do that? NO God would not do that!

All modern versions are counterfeit Adam, they are (perverted), they change the Words of the living God. ( Jer 23:36) (perverted) is #2015; it means TO CHANGE.

God Bless you Adam, stay strong in your Faith in the True Word of God, the KJB.

1. The term "once saved always saved" is found nowhere in scripture.

2. It is circular logic... Then one who claims well then we can sin, they respond with "But if you were truly saved you would not sin."

3. Take your salvation seriously.

4. I refer you to "Individual Apostasy" I will try to post sections 1 though 8 later for you.

(8) Some who reject their faith and abandon a true relationship with God ( Heb 3:12) may still think they are Christians. However, their spiritual neglect and unconcern toward the demands of Christ, the inner voice of the Holy Spirit and the warnings of Scripture prove that they are in rebellion against God. Because of this possibility of self-deception, Paul urges all those claiming to be spiritually saved to "examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves" ( 2Co 13:5, note).

(9) Those who genuinely become concerned about their spiritual condition and have a desire to return to God in true repentance (i.e., changing one's attitude toward God, admitting sin, turning from one's own way and submitting to God) can be sure that they have not committed the unforgivable sin (cf. Mk 3:29), or ultimate apostasy. God's Word clearly affirms that he does not want anyone to perish or be spiritually lost and separated from him for eternity ( 2Pe 3:9; cf. Isa 1:18-19; 55:6-7). In fact, the heavenly Father will joyfully receive any wayward, rebellious or lost child who truly repents and returns to him (compare Gal 5:4 with 4:19; 1Co 5:1-5 with 2Co 2:5-11; see also Lk 15:11-24; Ro 11:20-23; Jas 5:19-20; Rev 3:14-20; note the example of Peter, Mt 16:16; 26:74-75; Jn 21:15-22).

Daruled

You said "its silly to get caught up in which translation is the "true" translation, I will give everyone a different view; and I'll do that by asking a question". (YOU will give a different view by asking a question)? Where did we see that before?

The first question in the Bible was asked by the serpent ( Gen 3:1) "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" This question by the serpent was to cause the woman ((to doubt)) the True commandment of God. It was a lie from the Devil, and it worked!!

You also said "What is the holy bible but paper and ink"?

The Word of God says ( Ps 138:2) "for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name".

( 1 Pet 1:25) "But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is (the word) which (by the gospel ((is preached)) unto you)".

The word (gospel) is #2097; it means to announce good news ("evangelize") especially the gospel.

The word which by the gospel is preached unto us today, so we do have that TRUE gospel being preached from a book today.

( Proverbs 30:5-6) v5 "Every word of God is pure" v6 "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar".

You are on the wrong side of the fence here Daruled, Your words are going against the Words of the Lord.

If you truly seek the Truth in this matter then find (Truth is Christ) on youtube and watch a video called, The Bible in our hand is the Twoedged SWORD of His MOUTH- Clear Evidence!

Please stop claiming the Word of God is only ink and paper, seek and Pray and you will find the Truth!

May God open your eyes to see that His pure Words are in the KJB.



( Jer 23:36) And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; FOR YE HAVE ((PERVERTED)) THE WORDS OF THE LIVING GOD, of the LORD of hosts our God.

The word (perverted) is #2015; it means TO CHANGE.

TO PERVERT the words of the living God, is to Change the word of God!

Modern versions pervert the words of the living God!

Truth matters!

The Jew Is Condemned by the Law

Romans 2:17-29 (KJV) 17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,

18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,

20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Hallelujah! Heavenly Father, thank you for blessing this couple with Your gifta child. Adam and his wife promise that their child will be brought up in a Christian home. Amen

Goliath

A Philistine warrior who is set down as a 'giant' whose one to one combat with young David goes beyond their physical struggle.(1 Sa.17)

David is set down for Jesus Christ in whom, in spiritual terms rests the beauty of holiness (Ps.110:3). Arrayed against him was Goliath, who in his gigantism,- is not about physical malformation, but refers to his ancestry. (Ge.6:1-2). He had brothers who also were giants with six fingers and six toes.(2 Sa.21:20-21) Cf. Number 666 of the beast. (Re.13:18)

(1 Sa.17::49)Significant is the stone that knocked him out helps us recall the stone that is cut from the mountain, not with hands as though from divine slingshot.

Hey, in the statement about the ark, you wrote 120 days, oversight.. you may wanna change that to years.

Hi Jimbob,

I considered greatly whether to reply, I read and study the KJV, and I believe it is one of the best English translations. This is in love, and I am not looking to debate, I understand how high you hold the KJV and that should not be debated. I watched the video you listed, and I watched a couple more, do not know his name. You asked for other opinions on it and this is my opinion not to debate or insult but just my opinion.

My opinion is this is using numerology to prove an opinion. Do not know if you remember the Torah code it was years ago. It used a program that picked every fourth or seventh letter of the Torah to predict an event or a name in history and it did. Come to find out this can be done using any book that has many pages. The symbolic numbers found in the Bible are easily identified and plainly understood.

Numerology is a part of divination that we are told not to deal with. Why would someone spend so much time going through the Bible counting words trying to prove something that does not do anything but mystify and say Wow? Acts 8:9-11 not directed at you it is just the feelings I got from watching the videos.

I have read other Bibles and I choose the KJV, but we have to admit it is a translation and it is not perfect. I will not get into what manuscripts they used but whatever Bible we study the Spirit of Truth is our only teacher and only through the Spirit, we will have understanding.

I know my opinion may not be what yours is but think about this. The KJV is an English translation, in the world today 20 percent or less of people can speak English much less read it. If the KJV is the only true translation, what about the other 80 percent of the people in the world?

This is just my opinion you asked for, please do not reply to debate it.

God bless,

RLW

please pray for me and my family today please remember my daughter Jessica and her family , please continue to Keep the Coomer family in your prayers

Gideon, the sign of the fleece

The sign of the fleece of "Behold, I will put a fleece of wool in the floor; and if the dew be on the fleece only, and it be dry upon all the earth beside, then shall I know(Ju.6:37)." This dew is a symbol holiness of God expressed as mercy. The fleece is significant and the symbol refers to the slain Lamb as well.

Next day the sign that Gideon asked for was just the reverse, "Let me prove, I pray thee, but this once with the fleece; let it now be dry only upon the fleece, and upon all the ground let there be dew./ And God did so that night: for it was dry upon the fleece only, and there was dew on all the ground. (Ju.39-40)" Redemption by the blood of Jesus serves as a sign for Gideon while it (dew on the ground) explains Jesus as 'the Savior of the world'. In Jesus we are hidden in Christ while in body.

This sign holds yet another great spiritual truth as to the bodies we shall put on in the day of regeneration. After death the term 'spiritual bodies' explains the process in which the inner man with the indwelling Spirit is part of the body of Christ at the day of regeneration.

This shall explain the significance of this verse "Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion(Is,8:18)". Israel is a stand in for New Jerusalem as Adam is a stand in for last Adam in eternity.

The Spirit organized the entire God document where the mode of inversion is the norm. Thus God framed worlds of the Spirit (invisible) and what is seen is the world of the body. God sends his Son to the world so whosoever received may reign with him in heavenly place. He chose the foolish things to confound the wise is yet another. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit." ( John 12:24) "So also is the resurrection of the dead."(1 Co.15:42-46)

Giant

In the ancient world before God destroyed there were giants. Ge.6:1-6. The passage elliptically mentions a msalliance between man and spirits which are creatures ('God makes angels spirits'-Ps.104:4)

In the same passage we read man being measured in terms of his years. (120 years). Command number 12 is a clue for us that giants were an exception in the Salvation Plan of God. God's judgment therefore falls on man who flouted the 'in our likeness' rule.

"My spirit shall not always strive" implies the giants were the result of union among daughters of men with spirits ('sons of God') gone rogue. (Jude.v.6). Consequently the number 12 stands for the measure of man who shall benefit from the Gospel of God.

God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things, which are mighty. (1 Co,1:26:27). Consequently God sent his Son in the fullness of time it was in human likeness and not in likeness of giants.(Ph.2:7)