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Rom 5:14: "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression". I understand this from v 13: "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Sin is not imputed without the Law given, so those who didn't have the Law (see Rom 2:14) were regarded as "not sinning after the similitude of Adam's transgression", as Adam's sin too was apart from the Law. If God imputes transgressions to Adam or any who are outside the Law, then it's because the burden of the law was already in their hearts & applied in their societies. So the Law couldn't condemn them, but what was in their hearts & evidence of the transmitted sin nature, did. And, yes, Noah & his family were saved from total destruction, but sadly, they brought along the sin nature of Adam which couldn't be annihilated in that Flood.
And to the other examples of 'doctrinal myths' & our other beliefs: are they supported by Scripture, or should we accept that there is no Scriptural support & plead ignorance? So, the view of the Nephillim: unclear; Angels procreate, gender, species: No; Angels can cross species: evidence in the Bible is there, only by God's doing; the 'Day' in Genesis: easy for us to apply it to our Day, but God knows the period of time it involved. Yes, we would like to know all these answers, & it would be glib for us to say, 'when we get to Heaven these will be answered', but for now, if the Word doesn't give us the specifics, then we have to also remain unhappily unenlightened.
We're created in God's image and likeness. The Godhead was all Spirit at that time.
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Carlos, I searched for my specific comment ("Christians are not afraid to examine and allow that there are parts of the Garden story that are not literal.") & couldn't find it, unless you were referring to my recent reference: "there are somethings to be taken literally & others, not." If this is the one, then my apologies for being vague but I was referring to all of Scripture & not just the Creation account. So what I'm saying is that there are Scriptures that are clearly (to me) literal or non-literal in meaning, & I believe that the Creation account is to be taken literally. If there are other things added to it as a result from our 'in depth calculations', even if it helps in understanding how certain future events must happen, this is where I would rather 'err on the side of caution' & not consider those things, than to treat them as 'likely factual', & so mistreat God's Word.
As well, I did use the word "if", when saying, "if it (Creation account) should not be taken literally (& remembering, all of Scripture hangs on these facts), then almost all subsequent Scripture would have to be modified, or at least, reinterpreted to conform to it." In other words, anyone who does not take it literally, would have to reinterpret other Scriptures to conform to the original interpretation. So I can't address your other questions because of this misunderstanding.
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Saw a lot of comment on Antichrist; with scripture. Will be tedious to read all that.
Where is exactly the boundaries of Moab?
I only read the comments with scriptures. What do you think about the Dakes?
Thank you, God bless!
In 4:13 Cain says, "I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and WHOEVER finds me will kill me." Who is he referring to if there were no other people alive at the time? In 4:15, "The Lord put a mark on Cain so no one who found him would kill him." The Land of Nod was named after Nod. Who was Nod? In that land, Cain found a wife and had children and built a city. Is it fair to assume his was not the only city?
On Job 1:12, we see how God instructs Satan on what he is to do to Job. It is clear from Satan's response that he did not have the authority to do as he pleased. If he did, why would he accept the limits God placed on Him? Why did he even show up to God? Did he just want to have a nice chat over Tortillas and Enchiladas? What did Jesus say to Peter, Lk 22:31, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith will not fail."
Did Satan ask to ruin God's creation? if not, why would he ask permission to go after Peter? Did he ask permission to go after Adam and Eve? When Jesus cast the demons out of a demented man, what happened? They asked Christ for permission to enter the pigs, Lk 8. See Job 38:33-35, "Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's e dominion over the earth? Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?"
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How does one come to have faith in Christ? By hearing. What must one hear in order to have faith in Christ? The word of God. When one hears the Gospel of Christ and believes it, they have faith.
We have the Bible, they had writings, prophets, and the apostles went out to preach as well.
V 17 is what youre asking about. The second half of this chapter is filled with rhetorical questions that Paul ends up answering. He is making a case against Israel not having faith and why the gospel has been committed to the Gentiles.
As for those that didn't sin in the manner of Adam, that didn't last long. Paul says they too were imputed with sin. Not only that, wasn't everything destroyed with Noah?
Could one of our doctrinal myths have to do with the notion the Nephillim were offspring of Angels (Sons of God) and natural women (Daughters of Men)? Can Angels procreate? Are Angels male or female? Are Angels the same Species as Humans? Can Angels cross Species? Doesn't Paul say there are earthly bodies and there are Heavenly bodies and each has its own separate substance?
And would another be the insistence that "Day" in Genesis has to be a 24 hours Day? But what negative impact do you think these things would have on the trustworthiness and legitimacy of Scripture?
You seemed to dodge my question, probably unintentional I'm sure, but I'll ask it again. Is 2 Timothy 2:16-18 talking about someone losing their soul for believing something that is false (after) being born of God's Spirit?
My response to Revelation 3:5: "He that overcomes" is called a Present Participle, which denotes continuous action. It doesn't stop! It's to the one who is overcoming. It is a continuous action. We are overcoming, and we will overcome because we have Christ in us, and He overcame!
To the one who is overcoming, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Christ has promised not to blot anyone that overcomes from out of the book of life. Again, that is a Present Participle. It is a continuous action. Those who truly belong to Christ are the ones who overcome, and they will not be blotted out.
Also, there are references in the O.T. that indicate more than one book of life. The Jews understand that. There was a book of life that every person's name was recorded in when they were physically born. When a person rejects Christ, they will be blotted out of that book, as though they were never born. And then there is the Lamb's book of life which records the names of everyone who has been born of His Spirit. Jesus promises that He will never blot anyone out of the Lamb's book of life. A person who is saved will never be blotted out!
You partially answered my question, so I'll take what I can get. I have heard of the Millerites. But don't know much about them as I never took the time to do any research on that group. Also, I've heard of people being "on-fire" for the Lord. What I have learned over the years, is that most of the people who are "on-fire" people are new believers. I'm not even sure how I would describe someone being on-fire for the Lord? I remember when I was a kid growing up, I walked by a church that had the side door open and inside there were people flailing their arms around, jumping up and down, and screaming things I couldn't understand. It definitely wasn't English. I was pretty young so it scared me. There are things that stick with you your entire life, and that was one of them. I guess you can say they were "on-fire" for the Lord. I've also seen people in church that seemed to be on-fire for the Lord, but that fire seemed to be quenched as soon as they left the parking lot, and they didn't get it back until the following Sunday.
So when I hear of someone being on fire, that does not tell me much because I've seen people on fire burn out and leave after a few months and no longer want anything to do with the Lord. So being on-fire for the Lord does not really prove a person is truly saved. The parable of the sower comes to mind.
If any of those people were saved and had their names recorded in the Lambs book of life, then they remained saved. But only the Lord knows for sure. Thank you for your response.
There is an example. Abraham and Sarah. She thought she was too old to get pregnant. She gives Haggar her maid to Abraham to obtain a child. Haggard has a baby, Ishmael. Nothing is said about any other relations between Abraham and Haggar once she was pregnant. I have no idea if that was a custom "on the book".
Genesis chapter 16
Slowly study Luke 1-2. Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart! Mary and Joseph both knew that Jesus was theirs only a little time.
See also: Luke 2:33, 2:48, 51.
Psalm 27:10, When my father and mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.
Romans 8:15. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage, again, to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of Adoption, whereby we cry, ABBA FATHER. God becomes your Daddy, and your mother.
If you need a hug, lift your arms and receive it. He's not mean, too busy, Absent; He has his eye on you.
A lot of people don't preach this. America has often let the kids raise themselves. Facebook isn't going to nurture you with love and acceptance. Father God, brother Jesus, comforter Holy Spirit, WILL love you. Give your tragic life to them, and take into yourself, all the love you ever dreamed about.
If you're single; no prospects in view yet... consider "adopting" some real kids, in a friendly way (not literal). Give a ride to Church, a students study Bible. Organize a movie night at the youth hall at church.
Well we gotta keep them coronavirus safe. Little things mean a lot. It's called ministry.
2. Gen 3:16 tells us that Cain went to dwell in the land of Nod. We're not told whether there was a city or people there. I'm using the same principles as I would for the above comment.
3. The account of Job. Did Satan get God's permission to harm Job? I don't agree from the normal reading of that passage. It states that it was God who initiated the discourse with Satan, asking him, "Where have you been" & "Have a look at my perfect & upright man, Job". Satan questioned Job's uprightness & God said, "all that Job has is in your power, etc". I can't see that Satan got God's permission, why should he, Satan has free rein to influence each of our lives - but God sets the limits. And the same with A & E, no permission received from God. I just can't see how you are viewing these Scriptures; are you seeing something in the Word that I'm blinded to? Maybe, I need a fresh anointing in reading them.
Carlos, to your points:
1. True, there are somethings to be taken literally & others, not. The examples you cited are great, for they make sense from the natural reading of them. However, in the specific account of creation, if it should not be taken literally (& remembering, all of Scripture hangs on these facts), then almost all subsequent Scripture would have to be modified, or at least, reinterpreted to conform to it. E.g. in your view in another comment: "the possibility that from those that existed at the time, Adam and Eve became the 1st to sin?" I note the word 'possibility', since if there were others that existed before or during the creation of A & E, the further possibility arises as to the possible dual race we could have at present (i.e. descendants from them), that Satan never got to & hence are sinless. Can we presume that such a pure race are walking amongst us now & are therefore never in need of the Cross? So, it is possible that such a situation could exist, but common sense, by considering all of Scripture, tells us that this is impossible & therefore, why unnecessarily muse over such things? So then, isn't wiser to just stay with what the Bible reveals & if it doesn't & raises questions in our minds, then we ought to disregard those thoughts, accepting that the limits of our knowledge have been reached? Yes, there is much we don't know or even understand, but what is clearly revealed should be enough to satisfy us for now.
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They were supposedly onfire people. So onfire that they (1844 incident; known as the Millerite Movement and this day was called The Great Disappointment) quit their jobs and sold their belongings. Didn't you ever hear of this? This is only 14 or so years AFTER pre-trib began being taught. Only God knows if some had a false conversion but I highly doubt they were all false converts. Pastor William Miller was a Baptist preacher.
The Bible does teach that there will be a falling away (apostasy) in the end times. Jesus also gave warnings at the time of the 7 churches of Asia Minor that everyone wants to ignore especially the one where He talks about blotting names out. Here you go. You can reinvent the verse if you want. I am not. It says what it says and plain as day.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
It's what Jesus taught. I ignore what most pastors teach when they teach the opposite of what Jesus taught. This is a very clear verse and it is given to people who DID come to Christ and this warning was also given (verse 6) to the other churches. I don't try to reinterpret 'clear' verses. These churches DID exist. They existed in the first two centuries. They are not an extra 7 dispensations on the other 7 to 10 dispensations. Some pre-tribbers actually believe in 14 to 17 dispensations if they add these churches as extra dispensations. It still doesn't change what it says.
Blessings!
Some are already converting to Judaism in the Hebrew Roots Movement.
We had the Emergent Church Movement rise up and really take hold over the last 15 years.
Purpose Driven Movement.
Seeker Friendly Movement.
Just to name a few movements. Got any Pepto Bismol? If there are any more movements, I might need some.
Sometimes our inner room becomes our war room as we fight our battles with sin, conflicts, decisions, and difficullties until we fully surrender in obedience to our God!!!
Although you try to bear them on your own, Jesus has given us the solution in His passage from His Sermon on the Mount. He says to go into an inner room, close the door, and pray to our Heavenly Father.
We all need to learn how to tslk
" i had a glimpse of heaven-"
twas in a dream one night-
such splender overwhelmed me-
it was a beautiful sight:
i dreamed i saw the angels-
and heard them sweetly sing-
and saints had gathered all around-
to worship christ the king:
and then i saw my loved ones-
who entered heaven's door-
and they appeared so joyful-
that i hoped to see much more:
and then 1 day- i remembered- what i had dreamed-
for i now stood at heaven's door-
what a beautiful sight to me:
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Mark Chapter 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing [him] were astonished, saying, From whence hath this [man] these things? and what wisdom [is] this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed [them].
I kept messing up over and over...
I seek to have another chance.
The pain I feel is never-ending.