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Jmonyae,

I would read through 1 John Chapter 5. John speaks about the doctrine of salvation. He brings together in summary form all that he has talked about in order to give assurance to those who believe, but also to give caution to those who think they are saved but they're really not. But this is a great chapter to read. I would encourage you to read the entire chapter. But look Verse 13. "These things have I written unto you that believe upon the name of the Son of God; so that you might know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the Son of God." So John is telling them, I'm giving you proof so that you can know assuredly that you belong to Christ.

In 2 Corinthians 13:5, Paul says "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" So we are to examine ourselves, whether we be in the faith;

That's not a religious term about the faith. The word faith in the New Testament is a word speaks of literally being under the persuasion of God's Spirit. That's what the word faith means. It means persuasion. So are you under the influence of God's Spirit? Are you in the faith?

Secondly, we are to prove our own selves. We do our own testing, not of somebody else, but we test ourselves. And then Paul presents the criteria. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except you be reprobates? Reprobate means rejected.

The criteria is that Christ be in you. It doesn't say anything about the right and wrong doctrine, or what church you go to or don't go to. Is Christ in you? Have you experienced a Spiritual birth and now Christ lives in you?

Paul said in Colossians that Christ in you is the hope of glory. You have no other hope other than Christ in you. If Christ is not in you, you have no hope. If Christ is in you, you will have a hunger and desire for Him because His Spirit will give you that hunger to continue on.

If only cain and able were on earth how did cain know his wife? sounds like a fairytale.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not BLOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

this seems plain that our names can be blotted out of the book of life. If it was already written in, it can be blotted out it seems.

Psalms 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Moses pled for the Children of Israel in this instance

Exodus Chapter 32:30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are NOT not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Seems not all names are in the book of life.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not BLOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Explain the Bible term

Double minded

How do we become Dm?

If seeds have only natural power to reproduce, and not supernatural, how can all the singles out there produce anything if they have no children? Offspring is not the only way to interpret seed

Where in the New Testament does it speak of how even Jesus' own family did not receive him as Savior, while he was living?

I can honestly say that I love everyone in this room. It's like a Real family. You all work very hard to help others understand the scripture and the history. I've been googling and reading there too; although I view it with reservation unless someone with more Bible experience shows it to be accurate. Thanks for your hard work.

Melva,

That is a great question. From my understanding, Enoch was taken by God to be with Him in heaven. But John 3:13 says no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven. I have never heard your question asked before but I can see where it might be raised (No pun intended). In John 3:13, Jesus is giving Nicodemus an answer to his question in Verse 9.

Jesus is saying that I am the only one that has come down from heaven, but if I tell you earthly things and you don't get it, and you are the master teacher, how will you understand spiritual things? Nicodemus should have associated the Lord's teaching to Ezekiel Chapter 37 Verses 1 through 15.

This is where God takes the prophet and He shows them a valley of dead bones and says this is Israel. Spiritually dead! And He says to him, prophecy over these bones that flesh would come on them. And the bones came together and the flesh came on the bones. And then He says prophecy to the wind that the wind would blow on them and breathe life in them. And he prophesies and the wind blows and they are filled with life and spirit.

And so God's promise to His people Israel is that you are spiritually dead until my Spirit gives you life. But right now you are spiritually dead! And He tells Nicodemus, you should have known what I was talking about. How can you be the master teacher in Israel and you don't know anything about being born from above? You don't know anything about the wind blowing, and how the spirit moves!

I guess if I were trying to see the difference between Enoch being taken to heaven, and Christ ascending into heaven, I would look at as God took Enoch. Enoch did not ascend up to heaven on his own. But Jesus did. He rose from the grave Himself. And He ascended up to heaven Himself. No man can do that, not even Enoch.

Amen. All good brother. Stay in the Word. EAt. Eat. Eat. Pray while eating. I've been in many churches where very little spiritual food was given. Than God we have His Word in our hands today. Never take that lightly. I still don't know why you thought I didn't like or love you. I do. Get the gospel out while we can. I think things are going to get tough.

God Bless!

Betty,

Luke says in Acts 1:12, "Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a Sabbath day's journey." A Sabbath day's journey is approximately 1,000 yards. On the Sabbath day, you can walk anywhere you want to, but you cannot exceed 1,000 yards during the day. If you do, you have to sit down right where you are at. You cannot go beyond 1,000 yards or you have broken the Sabbath day. That was for the Jews.

That's why Jesus said "Pray that your flight out of Israel, during the tribulation, is not on the Sabbath day. Why not on the Sabbath day? It's because they are going to be bound by the law, and all of a sudden you see all these Jewish people sitting outside of town on the road saying "We can't go anywhere. We are not allowed to go over 1,000 yards!"

Bob,

Thanks for that piece of scripture. Part of my question was about a person losing their soul, not falling away from the faith. Is 2 Timothy 2:16-18 talking about someone losing their soul for believing something that is false (after) being born of God's Spirit?

*ATTENTION.*

Greetings to you!

*The two God's promised Witnesses, Prophets and Forerunners are out on Earth's surface* .

*II MOSES GODFREY "MOSES* "

*BAZUULA HARRIET "ELIJAH")*

Understand God's Visitation in your days.

( * Rev 11:3, Mathew 23:38, Isaiah 18:3, Malachi 3:1)*

Run swiftly to them so that u may save ur life from God's anger, wrath and judgement which has come.

*(Zachariah1:3)*

Run away from the Evil religious ruling spirit of Jezebel.

( * Isaiah 60:2)*



Please, please let all ur friends, workmates, church mates, Neighbors and your beloved family know and understand the Visitation.



*Do Ur assignment as I have did mine when we are still in this 1st phase of Calling and warning people before the worst part comes in where their will be no mercy to those all who rejected the two witnesses of God.*

* THE NATION OF UGANDA*

I speak to you Oh *Uganda* "My chosen".......

That open the door for me to get out and take me out.

For those who have a bride in their house are the one who are supposed to open the doors for Him.

Listen to me and do such to have life in me.

Kiss and bless the son not to grief anger nor fall sad, lest to leave you and you all go astray { *Scatter &* *Perish* }.

Know and understand that *I am* *the One* and no any other after Me.

Therefore take me out, present Me now everywhere and glorify Me in all.

Forward all your power and authority to me and give me thy right hand and arise me to nations.

This is only the latter End time *church*, listen to it, follow it and *rest* in it.

Behold, I came with it, and it is *mine* not any body else *( I AM THE LORD WHO SPEAKS UNTO YOU, SO LISTEN TO ME IN ALL*)

I am the One who came and I have come *(Now)*

I am a Father to all nations.

I am the fulfiller of all *God's spoken a

Why does Luke write " a Sabbat s day journey away' asopposed to any day'sJourney

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What an awesome provision for God's people! There are several places in scripture that tell us that the things of God are past finding out as far as human research goes. In 1 Corinthians Chapter 2, Paul says that only the Spirit of God reveals the things of God. He's the only one that knows the things of God. Again it is beyond human research ability to research spiritual things. But when God sends His Spirit, He guides us into all truth!

Again, there is no place in John Chapter 16 that speaks about the events of Christ's second coming, only the coming of His Spirit. I cannot agree with you that Paul was a liar or that he fabricated any truth. If you believe that Paul was a liar or fabricated truth, do you trust in Paul's teachings at all?

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Yasser,

There is nothing in John Chapter 16 that describes any of the events that take place at Christ's second coming. I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. All throughout Chapter 16, and in fact, beginning at Chapter 15 Verse 26, Jesus is talking about the Holy Spirit coming, not His second coming. He uses the word "Comforter" in Chapter 15, and then again in Chapter 16. This word comforter refers to the Holy Spirit coming, not Jesus' second coming. John 16:8 speaks of the comforter (Holy Spirit) coming.

In Verse 8, Jesus says "And when he is come, he will reprove, and it is literally the word convict. It is a judiciary term that means to present evidence to bring about conviction. That is what the Holy Spirit does. That is his ministry. He will convict the world of three things. He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Jesus is not talking about His second coming. He's talking about sending His Spirit.

You ask that "If Jesus has something to say then why he didn't tell his disciples before his ascension? Well, if you look at Verse 12, Jesus says "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. The word "cannot" is the word ability. You don't have the ability to bear what I'm about to tell you. And then you go down to Verse 13, and Jesus says, Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Jesus is telling them that the Holy Spirit will reveal things that will later come. You see, Jesus knows our hearts. He knows what truth we can and cannot handle, and He only reveals to us the things He knows we are ready for. He knew that His disciples would not be able to handle what He had to say to them.

Chris and all.

My take is that Adam and Eve, just like Cain and Abel, were not the only people in existence at the time. Adam and Eve, and this is my personal assumption, were the two people that eventually corrupted after God created man.

God Created mankind, expressed as Adam and Eve. We are told how God created them from the earth. They procreated, as instructed and began to populate the earth. So, WHAT IF, it was at some point in pre-history, that Adam and Eve disobeyed God? (Nothing to do with prehistoric Neanderthals).

The Genesis record says God walked in the Garden with them. Can that mean God was known to mankind, somehow, but not necessarily in person? Is it possible that from those that existed at the time, Adam and Eve became the 1st to sin?

Genesis 1-3 is not a detailed chronology of everything that happened in History. Is it acceptable to believe Adam's age as recorded, is possibly a starting point to history, not an indication of his age since creation? That is, could Adam have lived a thousand years before he ate the fruit?

And could his corruption, leading to disobedience have increased over time? Could it have been initiated by delving into divination and seeking guidance from spiritual beings (Idolatry)?

Eve had to know what it meant to give birth, to feel the pain of childbearing. They had to have experienced death in animals, though not in mankind, to know the meaning of death and an increase of pain. Neither was a foreign concept to them.

Your response on Christ's use of Parables and why He didn't go public after the Resurrection needs more thought.

In Genesis 9:3 it is written that: "I have given them to you for food, just as I have given you grain and vegetables." But you must never eat any meat that still has the life blood in it. If a wild animal kills a human-being, that animal must die. I hope this answer helps you to better understand. God Bless!

That is a moving testimony, Mishael. One important thing to keep in mind is that when we study, read and discuss the Bible, we should do it for edification. That is what you are doing. Sometimes people will disagree with our point of view, and that is alright. Take it all in stride. It is all for good. It is important that we talk and share our views. I am learning more now about what I didn't know or thought I knew, than ever. It is all thanks to conversations like this. Thank you.

Chris, your defense of theories you have been taught highlight the issues we deal with.

1. There is no "Free Will". But there is Choice.

2. Adam and Eve did not have the capacity, even with a Free Will, to choose between Good and Evil. How could they? They hadn't eaten of the Fruit that imparted that knowledge. So, did they Choose, on the basis of Free Will, between Good and Evil? Or did they choose, on the basis of free will, to disobey God? What was their Choice? Between Right and Wrong? How could that be, if they didn't know the difference until After they ate the fruit?

3. You haven't answered where the Bible tells us we have a Free Will. I won't tell you where it is found, so you can find it for yourself.

4. Your response that you think we will have Free Will in heaven needs further exploration.

5. You misunderstand. God didn't create man with a flaw or inherent sin. God created man whole. God created man to be what He wanted man to be. God created man perfectly suited to accomplish His purpose and for a body for Christ. But man was created limited in scope and ability. So was everything else. However, man was susceptible to decay, corruption, evil. Just like a perfect sheet of metal left out in the open rusts, man, exposed to the elements, rusted, decayed, sinned.

Let me say it this way. Man was the Victim of the environment he was created in. He was the victim of the limits of creation. But that limit was imposed by God, for His Purpose.

6. Evil did not exist before God or even at the same time as God. Evil is a consequence of creation. Evil does not exist on its own. Evil exists as a deterioration of what exists. Evil is a dependent quality, not a self-sustaining, pre-existent entity.

7. Spirit, body and soul are all programmed by the one that created them.

Hi CAROL ! Has anybody answered you yet wrt to your question ? I would also love to know. I hope the answer is NO. That Father would not expect a woman to take back her ex-husband if he had slept with another woman.

Chris, sometimes we have to learn to read between the lines.

1. The nature of the account at the Garden of Eden may be taken literally, but if it is, it doesn't entirely square with reality. The Bible says, "Come taste and see that the Lord is good." Is that figurative? Some Christians believe that when you have Communion, you're actually eating and drinking the body and blood of Jesus. It's called Transubstantiation. But are we to take the worlds of Jesus, "eat, this is my body, drink this is my blood" literally?

2. The Bible doesn't give us a 'hint' of many things. How old were Adam and Eve when they had Cain? Are we to believe Adam and Eve didn't have any other children before Cain and Abel? Where is the 'hint' there? Yet, we're told that after Cain ran off, he went to another city. What city? There's no mention of people populating the earth prior to that.

3. That the devil was cast to the earth can't be in dispute. The Bible says so. That the devil was in the Garden, is also clear. No question about that.

4. Satan could not ruin God's creation, period. After all, didn't the devil have to ask God's permission to hurt Job in different ways? If Satan could just step in and ruin things, why did he have to ask God for permission to attack Job? Why not just do it? Think about that. Did Satan ask God for permission to tempt Adam and Eve? Did he ask for permission to 'ruin' God's perfect creation? Did he act on his own to tempt Eve and destroy God's creation? Yet, he had to ask God for permission to tempt and ruin Job? But what were the devil's limits and who set them?

Job was a little guy. He had no impact on creation. And the devil had to ask permission? Yet, for something as significant and earth shattering as tempting Adam and Eve, he could just act on his own?

Fact is we have to interlace history and reality, with Biblical Truth. We can't read the Bible without the historical record and come to a proper, realistic, non-fictional interpretation.

comments by Alex on Solomon, saw the 2 nd Child that shall stand up in his stead and said there is no end of the ppl that he shall be king over, The H.G. is that 2 nd child that shall stand up in his stead.Whosoever receives one such CHILD in MY NAME RECEIVES ME, The H.G is that 2 nd child b/c Jesus said that which is BORN of the Spirit is Spirit thats th H.G. THAT IS GONNA BE BORN IN OUR HEARTS VIA THAT GOOD SEED TH WORD. He is gonna rule all nations ( no end to the ppl he shall be king over ) Remember King Solomon himself was the 2 nd child that rose up in DAVIDS STEAD,but Solomon was not the Child of Promise. But there is a great truth in SOLOMON the 2 nd Child IT WAS HE THAT God allowed to build the temple, just prophetic that the H.G.will make our bodies his temple a perfect temple outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings Thou has PERFECTED PRAISE ( th H.G. WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT ) THE CHILD OF Promise a greater then Solomon which means COMFORTER TH H.G. TH KINGDOM WITHIN US.Perfection does not come till the 2 nd child ( the babes and the sucklings ) Impling a CHILD that is gonna be born in our hearts. Unless ya receive the kingdom as a lil child impling a heavenly birth .

Mishael, This is not a football game between equals. God isn't "playing" against Satan. Can Satan be a force for God to contend with? No. It is not as if the devil can just score some points, he might win the game. God has a allowed the devil for a specific reason. The question we have to answer is Why? Why has God allowed the devil to exist? Revelation tells us the devil will be jailed for 1,000 years, if we understand that right, then he will "of necessity" be released. Why is it necessary to jail, release, then destroy the devil? Why doesn't God just destroy him now?

God deals with the devil because it is necessary. In our timeframe it might seem like a long time coming, but however many years we have been around, is really a twinkling of an eye in terms of eternity. That is why Peter tells us that 1,000 years go by as fast for God as a day. Time flies when you are having fun.

God is dealing with certain things to eradicate evil. And this is the process He is following. Christ came to destroy everything the devil represents. He came to end idolatry (making other things greater than God). He came to destroy death. He came to establish eternal perfection. See Daniel 9:24 and others.

ROBERT MARINO, found the site, but won't let me sign in or subscribe without a Google account. So I have included responses here:

Q1: Futurism

Q2: Pre-Wrath, Post-Trib

Q3: Millenium follows Return of Christ

Q4: Over 50

Q5: Evangelical, Pentecostal, Presbyterian

Q6: Debatable

Q7: No

Q8: Yes

Q9: Yes

Q10: Yes

Q11: Yes

God is a very jealous god and expects all to give glory only to him - see Acts 12 vs 23.

Mary was only human - mankind. Several bible scriptures tell of attempts to worship apostles such as Paul and Peter, but all are restrained. In fact, the apostles were horrified at the thought of being worshiped for they knew only God/Jesus Christ should receive the glory. Let us not attempt to do the same.

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Does the man of sin have a chance of salvation? Perdition means to fall.

Romans Chapter 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.

I believe on it. Where was he taken. Also when you read John 3:13. How does it apply?

I like your post, Mishael.

Just take a look now at how people party. our chlidren our grand evev husbands and wives. whatwould we offer to god and a sacrifies for these sins

Please pray for my husband as he is having some heart problems. He is in intensive care unit and hopefully pray he will come home today.

thank you