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Perhaps this is a good moment for churches to reflect on how we will be able to communicate in times of persecution. Perhaps this Pandemic will make us realize that there will be a time when we won't be able to meet publicly. And we will have to learn to use the tools available to us. I don't know anything about the dark web, except that it is virtually untraceable. Will Christians be able to use it to communicate with each other during persecution. Organizations like ISIS are masters at this. They use the dark web to avoid detection. Is there a lesson there for Christians?

Churches have been forced to use Social Media to continue their Sunday and other services. But these sites are easily traced, tracked and censored. During a time of persecution we will have to communicate in a way that avoids detection, to support, encourage and help each other. It seems so silly and incredible that things Jesus told us would happen, are materializing before our eyes. But is the Tribulation Fiction? Clearly not. Christians as suffering persecution and tribulation as we speak. No one can tell them they are not now living the Tribulation. Christians are being persecuted everywhere. But the suffering of some is greater.

What must we do to prepare? Is the dark web a beginning? Perhaps Christians should begin using this tool now. Get a VPN, Download the App TOR and set up a private chat everyone can access.

Many will see this as Fiction and laugh. Others will think it is ridiculous and farfetched. But people all over the world are using it to warn others of impending arrests (Taiwan), to inform (on persecution and Pandemic), to set up meeting places, etc. Does it hurt to build up defenses? How many Pastors see this Pandemic as a threat? How many even believe persecution is possible in Western Developed 'Christian' countries? Their biggest concern is not persecution. It is finances.

What do you think? Please comment. Pros and Con are always a good thing.

Even in this plaque Coronavirus Pandemic (Covid-19) the Lord wins! Seek ye the Father

Who will prevail so trust in God!

He will bring us through! Hallelujah!

comments by Alex on David & Bathsheba. Do we not Hear David and Bathsheba. They were Allegorical of the early church, this relationship betwn David and Bathsheba yielded a Child but the Child was sick and died in its infancy. Bathsheba had a husband Uriah but she was barren under Uriah . God had made a promise to David approx 7 yrs b/f David met bathsheba that a son wd come outta of his loins that wd reign over the house of Israel for ever. The early Church and Christ had a relationship that yielded a Child called Christianity but the child was sick and died in its infancy the kingdom did not come with Christianity instead Jesus said the nite is coming when no man can work. Micah said he wd give them up till the woman is in birth pains rev.12 . At Horeb Moses married Israel to the law saying this is what GOD HAS ENJOINED UNTO YOU ENJOINED MEANS A MARRIAGE Israel was marrried to the law just LIKE bathsheba was married to URIAH. The early church was married to th LAW thats y Paul says you are dead to the law by the body of Christ that you that you should be MARRIED to ANOTHER even to him that was raised from the dead Christ . Batheheba was dead to Uriah by the body of David. thus she TRAVAILED AGAIN.(MY LIL CHILDREN OF WHOM I TRAVAIL IN BIRTH AGAIN ) a 2 nd Child and it was this 2 nd child that was the great king Solomon that wd rule all the nations. But Solomon did not fulfil the prophecy by God of a very special Child coming.He was just symbolic of a special child coming in the LAST DAY A CHILD THAT WD COME OUTTA OF CHRIST LOINS TH H.G. HIS SEED,THE CHILD OF PROMISE that wd rule all nations. Th kingdom comes with the 2 nd Child th H.G. Its always th 2 nd all thru the bible. Wine is symbolic of th Spirit but it was th 2 nd Wine that was the best WINE ON TH 3 RD DAY I/E th church is gonna have to TRAVAIL AGAIN A 2ND TIME FOR THE BEST WINE THE MANCHILD TH H.G. THAT IS GONNA RULE ALL NATION. My lil children of whom i travail in BIRTH AGAIN till Christ is formed in you

The whore that sits on many WATERS

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The WATERS waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. ( are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.)

...... Revelation 18:24 - And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

babylon was responsible for the BLOOD of PROPHETS.

Revelation 16:6 - For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Revelation 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Mystery Babylon killed the prophets

Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 - Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

Jesus - Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

the two witnesses of God are mentioned here:

Revelation 11:8 - And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jesus, MY LORD was crucified in JERUSALEM, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.

NOT Rome nor in Mecca or the USA

Can believe in a false prophecy cause people to lose faith and fall away?

What does the Bible say? 2 Timothy Chapter 2:16 But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the (RAPTURE) resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

In other words they we being told they missed the rapture and their faith was overthrown.

This happened 1,900 years ago. Could it not happen again?

Doesn't something in your spirit kinda twist your gut when someone says people don't need the gospel to be preached because their name is in the Lambs book already because of pre-destination?

What if....(I love that game) heaven lost your reservation and your luggage?

Why did Jesus tell his disciples to go ye??

Mark 6:15-20

Who told you about Jesus? That you are a sinner that would bust hell wide open if ya don't get saved?

The Holy Spirit doesn't do it the same way every time.

Proverbs 11:30> the fruit of the righteous is a Tree of Life; and he that wins souls is wise.

Angela, it is my belief & understanding from Scripture that when we die, our spirits go immediately into eternity. Those who have been saved, into Heaven, & those who have refused Christ, into Hades.

You cited the thief on the cross: & true, on that very day, as Jesus gave up His Spirit & the thief also died, the thief went into Paradise (we don't believe it was Heaven, but a place of comfort). You also quoted Paul's great expectation from 2 Cor 5:8. It seems clear in the way Paul had expressed it, that once his death took place, his presence with the Lord would be immediate. I also think of: Eccl 12:7, Acts 7:55-59; Phil 1:23; 1 Thes 5:10. There are many who proclaim that there will be a 'soul sleep', i.e. at death, our souls & spirits will remain with our bodies until resurrection day. My understanding from Scripture, is that there is no interim time, rather an immediate transfer of the spirit into eternity. One though has to decide here & now where that eternity is going to be, through his response to the Cross.

so i have an important question but this has nothing to do with this chapter,how do you know when your are saved.

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Why evangelize if one has been predestined? It could be that as part of that, the Gospel has to be shared; & how will they hear without a preacher? Does the unbeliever even have to respond to the Gospel, since he is already predestined to obtain salvation? Indeed, can he even respond? Even to these questions, I say, Yes, because his response can only be as result of the Spirit's conviction (i.e. in his unsaved condition, he is unable to respond, nor would he want to, but under conviction, he will as he has been predestined by God). Therefore, his response is not of his effort or part in salvation's work, but a 'reaction' to the Spirit's convicting, drawing, & his repentance: and surely this is a place & time worthy of a response.

James, I've said much here, trying to deal with all that I could see in your comment, so I thought "better to say more than less" so you get a more complete picture of what I'm thinking. I hope it answers your questions.

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So, to you other point, I think your main point: "why Jews and Gentiles have to respond to the finished work of JESUS on the cross?" Given your apt quote from Eph 1:4,5, I agree with you without doubt, that God, not only knew us before we were born, but predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ. A great portion to remind us of God's Foreknowledge of each of our lives. But how does that Knowledge affect us mere mortals? Do we know who has been predestined & who hasn't? Why are some chosen to Life & others to Death? Do we even need to evangelize?

I think, we carelessly & inadvisedly try to get into God's Mind over this, when in fact, His Omniscience & our finiteness can never allow us to comprehend this 'mystery'. The best I can do is to just know that God knows who will come to Him & that response will be because of various occurrences in that person's life; e.g. parentage, the Gospel preacher, finding a tract to read, in depression stumbling past a Church, seeing a Christian workmate's life & joy, brought into a crisis so that the Light of God can shine, etc. are some things that God uses to accomplish the salvation of that soul. We don't know who has been predestined or not, but we're responsible to share the Gospel regardless.

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Hi James, when we speak of Jesus' finished Work, we refer to His proclamation in His last Breath, "It is finished" ( Jn 19:30). What did He mean by this? Of course, in a few words, it means that His Work that the Father had sent Him to do, was now fully complete.

Then your question: "Can you add to something that's finished? Did JESUS offer us anything by way of an option?" Simply said, No. No one can add anything to what Jesus accomplished through His Sacrifice. Sadly, many believers have tried to add more to this Work, whether to add more burden to Christians, or in their failure to understand the full significance of the Gift of Grace to us. So they put many conditions to make their salvation 'more secure': keeping part or all of the Law, necessity for observance of the Ordinances, failure to regularly evangelize, denying ourselves comfort, speaking in other tongues, tithing, are some of things that quickly come to mind.

When we speak of Salvation by Grace through Faith ( Eph 2:8-10), the Bible says that it can only be by simple faith in Christ's Sacrifice & absolutely nothing else. If anything, but anything would be added to faith, then it is no longer of faith but faith + works = no salvation. Anyone practising this has in reality annulled salvation, saying, "I don't trust that this Salvation only can save me, I have to add to it, just for good measure". That belief is out of the pit of Hell. Therefore, Jesus rightly has not required anything extra from us to make our salvation 'more secure'; He has done it all.

Georges, what's so "clear" about it?

Jesse, a little while is his 2nd coming and it doesn't mean it only limited to Paul's vision.....If Jesus has something to say then why he didn't tell his disciples before his ascension?....Despite the fact that Paul's letter is the majority of the New Testament

And here's another proof of fabrication about his alleged vision, in Acts 9:19-29 Acts 26-19-21 contradicted by Galatians 1:15-23 is quite obvious of contradiction, can you see the fabrications now?...

Carlos, since you addressed your recent comment to 'Everyone else', I thought to reply.

"Archaeological records do show pre-historic people were religious". I think you're implying that there were humans/humanoids prior to Adam & Eve, if I am reading that paragraph correctly. So I can't comment on this, because of my different understanding of the Genesis account.

"Why is it Christ only showed Himself to a select group, after His Resurrection? Why not go public? Why didn't anyone recognize Him?" He had a short time between His Resurrection & His Ascension & needed to spend it with His disciples, if for nothing else, to convince them that it was indeed Him ( Lk 24). I wonder then, how would the public have reacted to His reappearance? Also with disbelief? A madman? Why bother with them, His disciples were His sole Focus at this interim period & to also be there to see His Ascension.

"Why did God speak in Parables and not plainly?" I don't believe the answer you gave is correct. Jesus qualified His use of parables in Mt 13:10,11, that He would explain the parables to His disciples, but they would just be stories to the rest.

"Satan enticed Adam and Eve by appealing to their curiosity about things they didn't know about God and the universe." That's not how I read it. Adam & Eve didn't express curiosity about God or the universe. They were simply enjoying their being & God's creation around them. Satan came to put a doubt in their mind ( Gen 3:1); they retorted correctly; Satan then gave them his convincing reason that they wouldn't die, but would make them 'wise'; they were convinced.

Thanks again Carlos, as I said, I only reply as you've sent your comment to all of us. And knowing the points that we disagree on, I feel that comment is required, not just as an 'attack' on your views, but to present what I believe is the correct, logical argument against it.

I don't remember from everybody's studies on Adam and Eve; There's been so many.

This chapter is on first Adam and 2nd Adam. Some mentions to the Caught Up.

I will make notes on it tomorrow. For one chapter it's really full. I want to know your thoughts too.

Eric,

It doesn't have to be out of your hands when you die!

That's what it is to be a Christian! Choosing God while are soul's are in this human, worldly body. Then when we die, our soul will go to Him. He said's that "Absent from the body, is present with the Lord! Did you know that if you choose to live for Him here, that Judgement Day is nothing to fear! Did you know that if you are saved, He will be giving you your rewards that day!I have been through so, so much! For years I wasn't living right, and it always led to bad, serious, & tragic things happening to me. I felt alone, rejected, and not loved right! Alot of anger and hurt will lead to anxiety & depression! It can also lead to thoughts of suicide! Eric, God is real I promise you! I can tell you stories of when He has shown Himself in my life!

Hey Chris;keep up the good work.I want ask you something about why Jews and Gentiles have to respond to the finished work of JESUS on the cross? Can you add to something that,s finished?Did JESUS offer us anything by way of an option?YOU do this and I,ll save you;If you don,t you will be lost.No He obeyed His Father and did His Father,s will.HE was sent to save the the ones that The Father gave to Him before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4&5.According as He has chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.(v5)Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by JESUS CHRIST to Himself according to the good pleasure of His will.You can,t do not one single thing to earn your salvation.Response or no response;It, all GOD.

Peter, he most definitely hears your prayers, even if you (& so many others) pray on their own. The only requirement is to come in faith, believing you will receive, as you ask in God's Will. Where Jesus says that where two or three are gathered in My Name, He adds, that He will be in their midst ( Mt 18:20) certainly applied to his disciples as Jesus in His Power could meet with them in Spirit. However, we use this verse now for believers meeting together, & though in a sense correct, we know from Scripture, that Jesus has left this Earth & as God in the flesh, is seated at the Father's Right Hand, always interceding on our behalf. So Jesus physically can't be with us when we meet, but His Spirit, Whom He has sent to us, is with us & in us ( Jn 14:17). In all this, we can truly rejoice that we are never alone & our prayers & praise are always heard.

Mature. To grow up.

Herman, there is no specific reference, whether biblical or secular, that Peter visited Rome. The only mention of Babylon in 1 Pet 5:13, which is sometimes interpreted as alluding to Rome, is somewhat weak.

However, the question you ask, is often asked by those who attempt to disprove the papal line from Peter (i.e. since Peter wasn't in Rome, how could the papacy be established & proceed from there?). If that is your thought as well, I quickly refer to Mt 16:18, which RCs will used to support Jesus direct instruction to Peter that he would be the foundation that His Church would be built upon.

However, as you may know, that Jesus was using the meaning of Peter's name (Cephas/Petros = a rock), that he would in time be a solid, unshakeable witness for Jesus. Yet, Jesus said, that upon This Rock, he would build His Church. Was it on Peter? No. Jesus was speaking about Peter's great testimony, "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mt 16:16. Upon this Truth that Christ is indeed the Son of God (along with the Truths that follow such a declaration) & His Church will be distinct from any other so-called church, just based on this fact. There are 'churches' that deny the Deity of Christ & so their further teachings develop into false theology/christology, but the true Church will be based on this Rock of Truth & not on the papal line.

Killing an animal is not a sin, as long as it is killed for food & not for sport or for a trophy. Animals, along with plants have been given to us by God for food. See Gen 9:2, Ex 12; Jn 21:12,13; Acts 10:9-15 are some examples.

Robert,

Are you saying that believing in a Pre-Tribulation rapture can lead to a true genuine born again believer to lose their faith and their soul? These "Souls that were lost," were these saved people?

Please pray for my wife who is struggling with some poor decisions. Help her understand and deal with what has happened. Thank you

Herman,

Historical accounts show that Peter died in Rome sometime around 66-67 A.D. Peter wrote his first letter around 63 A.D. right before his arrest in Rome. Peter wrote from Rome, but he used the cryptic name Babylon in his letter - I Peter 5:13. Peter wrote his second letter right before 67 A.D. as he wrote it right before his death. Nero, the Roman Emperor, died around 68 A.D. Nero had Peter put to death, so obviously Peter had to die before 68 A.D.

Tradition tells us that Nero took Peter as the leader of the believers, spread wax on him, and was going to put him up on a pole because that was Nero's little hobby. He would round up the Christian leaders, wax them down, put them on a pole, and then light them on fire to light his garden at night.

And so Nero came to Peter and said since you're the leader, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. Since your Savior was crucified, I'm going to crucify you instead. And it's recorded that Peter said I am not worthy to die like my Savior. If you're going to crucify me, crucify me upside down. So tradition says that Peter was crucified upside down in Nero's garden. That's about all the evidence I think we have. Peter was probably arrested while traveling through Rome on a missionary journey. There are groups today that claim that Peter was the first bishop of Rome. That claim is false.

4. Peter told Jesus he would lay down his life for Him but Jesus told him he would do what three times?

Leave him

Hate him

Die with him

Deny him < Your Choice < Correct Answer

Explanation: Jesus tells Peter that before a cock crows, Peter will deny Him three times.

Reference: John 13:38

CORRECT!

my comment

here we find a interesting statement that peter said he will even die for the LORD he said this sometime before the above scripture Jesus SAID I tell you the truth before the cock Crows you would deny me 3 times but peter insisted that he will even die for him thus peter is not lying according to his knowledge JESUS HRIST did not say he is lying he is just pointing out that he is not ready to do that yet BECAUSE OF FEAR as we know in the bible Peter did love the lord more then all as we see peters journey latter he repents And JESUS strengthened him so as then later JESUS CHRIST gets him ready by many ways finally he says to him today you become a rock so on later on in history books concerning the saints PETER was now ready and actually was Crusified up side down for JESUS CHRIST and the Church because of his love for JESUS CHRIST now that he was strengthen by JESUS CHRIST to actually do what he said before not back then but latter on when he would be ready to do so as he was and did do what he said

I'm having pressure in my throat and chest, and it is painful,like gas pressure. It causes so much discomfort and pain in my neck and chest that I cannot focus doing things. Pray the lord will take those things out of me!

Friday there was a large earthquake in Nevada. Hundreds of aftershocks.

A month ago, large quake in Idaho. Still having aftershocks.

Yellowstone volcano is producing a ring of carbon monoxide.

Yes please can you tell me what this may mean? My brother died last year at a early age my mom died a month later I was so very sad. When they died I found two white feathers at my house. One actually stuck too my glasses a year later my only aunt died and I found a feather on my leather couch . I found another feather today on my bedroom floor and a month ago when I woke up one was on my dresser . Could this mean angels are near? I never got feathers in my house before I do not know how to explain this. He says he will cover you with his feathers in the bible . Can you tell me what this means please? I am a little confused about this can you help me please.

Blessings,

Carol

No, Paul is not guilty of lying. Everything Paul taught lines up with the teachings of Christ. There is no contradiction between Paul's teachings and the teachings of Christ. If you take John 16:10 by itself, I can see how you would come to your conclusion. Jesus said in Verse 10, I go to my Father, and you see me no more. But you can't stop there and use that as your basis of claiming Paul is lying! Jesus was telling them that He would be leaving (His ascension into heaven, shortly after His resurrection), and they would no longer see Him here physically.

But then you go down to Verse 16, and Jesus says, "A little while and ye shall not see me: and the term "a little while" means a short time of space. Jesus says, and again, a little while, and (ye shall see me), because I go to the Father. So what is He talking about there? A little while you won't see me, but then a little while after that you will see me? How do explain that one, because they're probably thinking "That doesn't make sense! We understand a little while you will not see me. You've been telling us that for three years. But now you are saying, in a little while and (you will see me) because I'm going to the Father. Well, if you are going away, how are we about ready to see you again?"

Verse 17 would show you that they didn't understand what Jesus was telling them. They were discussing amongst themselves what this meant, and Jesus knew that, as we're told in Verse 19. And then you go down to Verse 22, and Jesus says And ye now, therefore, have sorrow: but (I will see you again), and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

Jesus is talking about His coming to them in the person of the Holy Spirit that He has been talking to them about since Chapter 14, where He says the Comforter will come to you, I will come to you, the Father and I will come to you, and we all will make our dwelling in you!

Galatians 1:1 says,

Paul an apostle (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

See ACTS chapter 9

After Paul hit the ground; he said, Who art thou, LORD?

The men traveling with Paul, heard an audible voice, but saw no man.

Saul stands up, but now he is blind. He is blind 3 days and does not eat or drink.

Keep reading; by verse 20 Paul is preaching Christ in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God.

By verse 23, the Jews are plotting to kill Saul.

We need the full account of Bible events without JUDGING them. Read the full account first; even the whole chapter.

Paul was struck blind but he and some other guys ALL HEARD with their ears, the VOICE of the risen Christ. Paul was a chosen vessel. Verse 15-16 (written in the red ink)