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Dear Douglas Russel Jr., Oh, how I hope since you've reached out here, that you have come to understand The Good News of Christ's Love and what it means to be saved by God's Amazing Grace :)

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "...I declare unto you the GOSPEL...By which also ye are saved...How that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. :)

*Because of what God says in His Word, the Bible, I believe*:



that man is saved from eternal punishment and is justified freely by grace through faith in the sacrificially shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary

( Romans 3:21-26, Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

that Salvation is a completely undeserved free gift bestowed upon all who simply believe ( Romans 5:12-21, 4:5).

during this dispensation of grace, every person who believes the gospel of the grace of God ( Acts 20:24) is eternally saved from God's wrath.

All saved people during the dispensation of grace are eternally saved and complete in Christ ( Romans 5:1, Colossians 2:10).

Salvation is the work of God and not the work of man. Therefore, it is impossible for anyone who has trusted in Christ to ever be lost again. AND ...We are sealed by the Holy Spirit and are not our own -- we are bought with a price

( Colossians 3:1-4, Romans 8:29-39, Ephesians 1:13-14, 4:30, 1Corinthians 6:19-20).

Space here is running low. I hope to share more in another comment if allowed.

As the Apostle Paul repeatedly said:

" Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ " ... Amen.

Ezekiel Chapter 31 (was Adam and Eve really alone in the garden?)

1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?

3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. (Assyrian a Cedar figure of speech family tree)

4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of EDEN Eden, that were in the GARDEN garden of GOD God, envied him. (Trees IN EDEN envied him? Trees have emotions or family trees figure of speech?)

Was the Assyrian in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?

I make my choice while I am alive. It's out of my hands when I die.

I want to be freed from all of the sins I have been doing. I want to be freed from the spirits that have a strong hold on me so that I may be freed and can walk in this walk with Christ. I know that I am a sinner and I wanna be freed from the spirit of lying, stealing, lust, homosexuality,and the lack of forgiveness in my heart. I do believe God is real and I want to accept him as my lord and savior and I accept him into my heart and into my life because he is the one and only and I want to spend eternity with him, so I pray that I would be released and freed from any spirit that has a hold onto me because I want to be one with my creator which is God.

God, I thank you for everything you have given me, I know in my heart that I don't deserve any of them, but your mercy has been plentiful. Lord please I ask for your mercy upon myself and my parents and siblings, my family members, my friends and their families, lord I pray for divine intervention in my life, I pray for healing in my life and the life of my family, friends and on the whole world, I pray for financial breakthrough in my life, that I shall be your instrument of peace lord, this and many more I ask through Jesus christ my lord, Amen.

Bob, I just checked on Snopes and it says this is a false conspiracy theory that is going around about Bill Gates. I don't know how much you trust Snopes, but they are saying this is false. I Just thought I'd share that with you.

I read something once that 'this generation' had something to do with the fig tree blooming. I'll have to study that again. I don't think it has to do with Jesus's generation.

It has something to do with the Return. Israel gained Statehood in 1948. Gained freedom in the 6 day War. I'm not sure if there's an official date of the Jews returning from the dispersion?

I remember something about 1918 too. I was trying to pray about that date.

I do know that Israel's flag was adopted and displayed first time in 1948. I googled that. The emblem is about the Shield of David.

(Not Moloch/Molech)

Part 2)

Well, it looks like we have a dilemma. God has convinced you without a doubt of a post tribulation rapture, and He's convinced me of a pre-tribulation rapture. Now what? We're both convinced, and we both believe we are convinced by God's word, so now what? That's a question that no one seems to be able to answer. Have you ever been convinced that God showed you something, and then later find out it was wrong? I have.

I don't think there is any proof on who wrote Hebrews. It wasn't until the 3rd century that the council of Carthage added Paul's name to the letter. But they had no proof of that. There are theories out there as to who it might be, and Paul's seems to be the most popular. But no one knows for sure. I don't see it being Paul. It was written too eloquently. It was not Paul's style of writing. Paul seemed to be all over the place in his letters. Plus, Paul usually attached his name to all his letters.

Hebrews had to have been written by a second generation Christian because of what the writer stated in Hebrews 2:3. "How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him. So whoever wrote Hebrews did not hear the Lord directly, nor did he receive from the Lord directly, but received and was confirmed and established for us, he being one of them, by those that heard Him.

Paul himself, as stated in Galatians 1:11-12 said, but I certify to you brethren that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man, for I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. So Paul is not a second generation Christian. And whoever wrote Hebrews is a second generation Christian.

I was just curious if you read Greek. I read koine Greek. It's helped me a lot in my studies. Who knows, I might be one of those people you describe as knowing just enough to be dangerous. I own a copy of the Textus Receptus and I read it from time to time. There's no English at all in it, and you may already know that. I'm no master of the Greek language by any means but I can read it. For that matter, I'm no master of the English language either.

English is such a general language, much like Hebrew. That's why I believe people can't agree with each other on what the English text is saying, because the English language can be interpreted in different ways. Greek is probably the most exact language there is. I think God chose that language for the New Testament for a reason. I wish they would have made it a requirement for everyone going into the ministry that they would have to master the Greek language before they would be able to teach from the pulpit. It's almost impossible to come up with different meanings from the Greek.

Well, I'm not sure how a Greek scholar can confuse Apostasy with Rapture. I would have called him out on that one.

The reason I asked you about the word generation used in Matthew 24:34 is because you brought up a point about the time frame 1948-1988, and people looking for the rapture in 1988. Many people thought that since Israel became a nation in 1948, and to them, generation meant 40 years, so the rapture must be 1988. But actually, the word generation itself has no association with years at all, unless you put the years with it. The word generation means race or kind of people. GENEA is the word, and it means a race or kind of people.

Please keep me in PRAYERS. I have recently gotten sober. Wheni was out there on drugs and drinking I seen alot of the evilness in the world and I pray that all of that is released from me and god will will bring me back to my soundmind and all thoughts of him. So I can move forward as his daughter and do his work. And for a friends family who are hurting due to her being gone home to our father in heaven. Please and thank u

Carlos:

1. "A & E ate the figurative fruit by participating in and associating with people and Angels God told them to stay away from." How does one eat a 'figurative' fruit? What were they then supposed to be doing/partaking of, or indeed, what was Satan meaning when he referred to the fruit? This interpretation is meaningless to me. This example brings to mind a certain group of believers I knew who also found some 'deeper or hidden meaning' in many biblical references. One such was of young David's preparation to meet Goliath & his collecting of five smooth stones ( 1 Sam 17:40). Can a normal proper reading of this Scripture intimate some further meaning? This group believed that each of those stones had a spiritual representation, viz. Faith, Obedience, Service, Prayer, & Gift of the Holy Spirit. That with these stones in mind, we can be better equipped to deal with the 'goliaths' in our lives. Anything wrong with this? No, the teaching of Faith, Obedience, etc. are essential for us, so there's no problem. But I ask, why the need to use David's stones as representations/associations to Christian living & victory, undermines natural use of Scripture.

2. "Were Adam and Eve the only people alive at the time of their infraction? Was Lucifer the only Angel in Heaven when he became corrupt?" To these, I say, YES, & NO. The Bible gives no hint that any other human was there with A & E at the time of their infraction.

3. "The images presented in these verses are of the devil being banished to the earth and more specifically the Garden of Eden." I will have to leave off this one: I just cannot find these 'images' in the light of the Scriptures you cited. They don't make sense, unless exposition is given to each one of those verses.

4. "Satan successfully ruined God's perfect creation, but I don't see that in the Bible." That creation of humans, not machines, was given a free will; they chose wrongly. I'll also leave off this one: I've given my thoughts earlier.

When I look at the sins and disobedience of Israel. Today, I look around me and sin seems to be everywhere!

Sometimes I see Christians or the "Saved" doing the same things in an ungodly way. They know that they should

not be living like Sinners. These are the Backsliding Heifers mentioned in Hosea 4:16. Thank God for Jesus coming

with grace and forgiveness. We do not have to live under the Law. We can go to God for ourselves and he will

forgive us and heal our Land.

CARLOS: why are you asking us why God had Satan hurled to earth? Ask God.

What did scientists and archaeologists find in the earth? Maybe they were looking for gold and diamonds... they found bones! Ancient civilizations, artifacts, cave drawings! People dug post holes and found crude oil. It is never ending "what's next" around the earth. We start looking at the stars (possibly trying to find God) and find planets, moons, other galaxies!!

If you were a hate filled Lucifer, used to being admired for beauty and music to praise God with? What's wrong with that picture? Satan wanted the praise for HIMSELF. God told Michael the archangel, go take care of that (Satan). Michael hurls him to earth like an asteroid and ouchy, that was one Big Bang. Earth wasn't a garden yet. So Satan is here, bored, making dinosaurs, terrariums, cave dwellers who were eaten by dinosaurs or killing dinosaurs for food. There is no archeological evidence that cave men were religious. There's drawings of hunts, mean neighbors, herds. If there are cave people in heaven I'll make them banana bread cake and K-cups. Point is there been conflicting archeological evidence: pre-Adamic and post-Adamic; post flood. I find it very interesting googling. I find God's hand everywhere.

God wiped out satans projects with His own. Satan still owned the earth till God made first Adam. Adam messed it up giving in to his wife's offering of the fruit. I think he knew it was a bad idea. And it was. Satan May have thought he got the one up, on God, but not so. The WORD of God, Jesus, stepped in to be the 2nd Adam. Score one for the Godhead. Now Satan has to look forward to having his head crushed by Jesus. Genesis 3:15. Satan is not privy to all truth. When Jesus hung dying on the cross, satan thought he had defeated God by killing his only Son. Jesus came out of the grave with the Keys to hell and the Deed to the earth!!

Satan is defeated! His plans for Antichrist will fail too!

God is great and awesome

Reply to Mike: I pray a lot. I ask questions of the Holy Spirit. I wait in His presence for answers or scriptures pertinent to prayer. I think our prayer lives need to be deeper and our dependence on the Holy Spirit; to teach us, comfort us, calm our fears, and be willing to go deeper into the knowledge of who Jesus is in our lives. Lives that extend outward to family, friends and neighbors.

The World.

The Holy Spirit said years ago, that the Mark of the Beast will not be by trickery, non-disclosure by medical people, school administrators, etc.

It will be a conscious decision by each individual; older children too.

I was concerned when there were stories in media about people having debit implants put in their bodies. I don't know if they accepted the mark. Maybe it's a way for people to get accustomed to other ways to access their funds?

People are kinda being wooed with methods.

People left on earth with stock piles of food can get along temporarily,

BUT when the One World Money system functions: I believe people will HAVE to take the Mark of Antichrist and worship him as God, to live a little while longer until the Return of Jesus Christ with His armies to defeat Antichrist, False Prophet and Satan.

Unfortunately, people who took the Mark of the Beast, will go with them. No amount of begging will save them.

People who refused the Mark for the testimony of Jesus Christ, will be tortured and executed. Their souls will be taken to heaven.

People who hid out in the hills and managed to survive the Tribulation without taking the Mark, and who became Born Again, will be taken to heaven.

My plea with everyone reading this: Make your decision now while being born again is easier. Be humble and truthful and receive forgiveness for your sins. God already knows about them. Take hold of Jesus with all your strength and find the LOVE you always longed for: a dream that becomes a reality. Never recant. Never look backwards!

I am not a Greek-reader but have always used the original languages as tools IF NEEDED. Usually you don't need it if you read the passage in context. the KJB translators did a terrific job- 55 men of which one guy alone knew 12 or more languages fluently. You can't find scholarship close to that today. And that was one guys out of 55.

If you look up a greek or hebrew word and there is more than one possible meaning and there usually is in most cases and sometimes even twenty meanings, how do you know which one to use to interpret rightly?

1. Context.

2. See how that word is used in other passages that are similar.

Good examples is Dr. Thomas Ice, Professor at Liberty University and one of the biggest names in pre-trib teachers admitted that there isn't one clear verse that teaches a pre-trib rapture. Dr. John Walvoord,Tim Lahaye, and many others admit to this also. Anyhow, when a professor is so desperate to prove something they know they cannot prove Biblically even though they taught it to thousands of their students (Liberty U. is the largest Christian college in the world), they resort to craziness. Now he knows the Greek but chose to state that he thinks the word "apostasia" can also be used as a rapture or harpazo word. It's things like this as to why I left the teaching. God is not trying to trick us. He promised us tribulation, suffering and persecution IF we follow Him and if we live godly lives.

A one day old bible college person knows that word is ALWAYS used 1. in context as DEPARTING from the faith and leaving Jesus as many did and are named in the New Testament and that all the passages that have that word in it teach a departing form the faith. Thomas Ice has to answer to God some day even trying to use that. Most famous pre-trib teachers have come against him on that and rightfully so. But he and a few other guys are still trying to use it.

God Bless!

some of the dumbest people in the world know Greek and Hebrew and enough of it to be dangerous

YOU: And when Jesus said "This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled," do you take that word generation as being applied to a number of years, or a race of people? You've shared some Greek words, and I appreciate that. Do you read Greek?"

Me: "This generation" means THIS generation. It would have to be THOSE THAT WERE ALIVE AT THE TIME JESUS SPOKE THAT. MANY WERE ALREADY OLD. IF YOU COMPARE IT TO THE WILDERNESS EXPERIENCE, it was 40 years. And then we have history showing it below form 30 AD to 70 AD. That THIS is the antecedent and WHO Jesus was speaking of. Yes, 40 is standard Bible numbering. 40 can mean trials, temptations. Children of Israel in the wilderness for 40 years. Jesus 40 days on the mount being tempted of the devil. Moses goes up 40 days to receive the 10 commandments, comes down breaks all ten commandments (pun intended when he threw the tablets), went back up another 40 days.

Moses at age 40 decides to follow God and not Pharoah.

Moses kilsl the Egyptian and goes on the backside of the desert for 40 years before comiing to bring Israel out of Egypt.

Moses dies 40 more years later.

There are other passages.

Historically speaking, Jesus died in 30 AD, gave Judah 40 more years to repent (those who didn't receive Him as the Messiah) before judgment came int he Great Revolt.

There are more examples.

Three rules in proper exegesis, CONTEXT. CONTEXT, CONTEXT. Jesus was speaking to that generation in 3 previous chapters all about the same thing. There is no way to get around it. There are three different WORLDS in chapter 24 which changes the whole meaning that pre-trib tries to do. What happened in 70 AD is going to happen again- at least that is my take on it but it will be persecution on a worldwide level. I call this the Dual Prophecy method. In other words, futurism, historicism, preterism and partial preterism all have some truths. Much of Matt. 24 was fulfilled but some things will be and on a greater scale.

YOU: I would have to assume that there are some who once believed in a post-trib and have changed their minds after spending years in careful study alike? I definitely appreciate your response and the time you put into it. However, I am still Pre-Trib.

ME: I only believed in pre-trib because it was the only thing taught in America until the internet became available. it is all taught in Bible Colleges since 1909. I did my own studying though and that is how I came to my own conclusion. God had to convince me it wasn't right with no presuppositions or eisogesis involved and He did. I want it to be true but I KNOW it is not 1 billion percent. No doubts whatsoever and that is why I started my channel to show people WHY I came to the conclusion I did. It's just getting going. Many are leaving pre-trib doctrine as it teaches more than one gospel which is heresy in itself. Do yourself a favor and at least check out Pastor Sam Adams videos on Scofield. You will be shocked. I'm sure there are a few post-tribbers that are now pre-trib but the pendulum is swinging more and more to post and pre-wrath. Pre-trib was about 99%. If they started teaching all the views in the colleges it wold probably be about 25% that would hold to pre-trib.

YOU: I do have a couple questions if you don't mind. How are you 100% certain that Paul wrote the book of Hebrews? And when Jesus said "This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled," do you take that word generation as being applied to a number of years, or a race of people? You've shared some Greek words, and I appreciate that. Do you read Greek?"

ME: Yes, you can see Paul's writing style, Jewish thought and analogies throughout it. It was never questioned unto the late 1800's by the "higher critics" They question the virgin birth of Jesus and other core doctrines. The original KJB says "written from Italy by Timothy. Timothy, Mark, Luke and others did writing for Paul. I guess I would say 99% sure Paulw as the author

Robert, I agree with your understanding of 'Church'. I had mentioned a similar definition to another enquirer previously.

1. "The gospel was originally preached to Adam and Eve. This is called the Protoevangelium in theology." I don't know about this type of theology, but I'm clear that the Gospel was never preached to A & E. If you refer to Gen 3:15, this was prophecy about what would happen in the future (Christ, Satan, the Cross) & not the Gospel to save them. Prophecy, as you know, can also bring some dire news, but the Gospel only gave both the news & the way to be saved.

2. "No one will answer me on what they think this verse means below after Jesus gives the 7 woes against the Pharisees and Jerusalem. These passages were NEVER taught by any of the famous pre-trib teachers I sat under." I had made my comment on this passage in my page 2.

You: Thank you so much for taking time to put all that together. That is a whole lot to chew on, and I did read it all. First, I want to make myself clear. I never said that Matthew was written only for Jews. I said Matthew wrote his gospel to the Jews. And yes, I agree that the entire bible is written to learn from. It's all God's word. I would not dare discard any of the books, as I find value in every book. I just wanted to clarify that.

Me: Your welcome. That is go to know you hold to the 66 books.

YOU: I think a lot of misunderstanding of the prophecies of the last days is based upon combining Luke's account with Matthew's and Mark's account as if they are the same message. But they're not. It sounds like you spent a whole lot of time (years maybe?) on just the rapture alone.

Me: I heard of people dividing up those other gospels from Matthew but don't see how they can justify it. How do YOU justify it? Yes I have spent a lot of time. I know more than what was presented in Fighting for the Faith (Joe Schimmel', Jacob Prasch and Joel Richardson's 5 hour long documentary) on the subject.

Chris, on your Point 4, Satan was in Eden because God put him there when God expelled Satan and his Angels to the earth. The question remains:

1. Why did God banish Satan to the Earth? Or perhaps,

2. Why did God Create Man on the Earth if He had sent Satan to the Earth?

3. Why not keep Satan as far away from His pinnacle of creation, as possible?

4. Why run the risk of having Satan ruin God's perfect work, especially when God already knew (based on His

Omniscience) that Satan was going to ruin everything He did, anyway?

Can you imagine, it takes you a year of hard work and painstaking detail to build this great mansion on the river bank, and along comes this guy from the neighborhood and tears the whole thing down? What's worse, you knew he was going to do exactly that and you could not stop him. But if you knew that, why did you build the house there?

Is God helpless against the devil?

So, what is perfection? You gave a perfect definition of perfect. Something is Perfect when it is complete. It doesn't lack anything. When Christ returns and we are Transformed, we will be Perfect. Paul defines that as indestructible, incorruptible, immortal (having eternal life, if it is different), 1 Cor 15:35-54, with a Heavenly body. An earthly body is of the earth (material). A Heavenly body is forever.

The earthly was weak and limited. It was limited because it could not distinguish between good and evil. Now, did God create man in His image? That's what the Bible says. But what was missing? Would a perfect man, created in the image of God, lack anything? Was anything missing? Is it that God created man to sort of look like Him, but not exactly alike? So what was the problem with Adam and Eve being equipped with the knowledge of good and evil from the moment they were created? Why create them without that? What did the devil say to Eve? You will be like God. And what did God say? They are now in our image. They are like us; with knowledge they didn't have.

God please bring money and stability into my life and please make me thin and healthy and good looking and please help my marriage and please bless my children with intelligence and success.Thank you

He is the risen son of god yahweh,king of kings,lord of lords first and last, he has the name above any name . jesus christ!

Someone sent this article to me and I am not saying this is the 666 mark of the beast.

however this guy is not a Christian natural news Mike Adams

Enzyme that will make Bill Gates' vaccine microchip implant work known as LUCIFERASE

" Part of the plan for vaccination against the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) is to inject people with syringes that contain implantable "quantum dot" tattoos, which we reported are a type of microchip that would seem to constitute the Mark of the Beast. And further proof of this comes in the form of the enzyme that Bill Gates has chosen to make it all possible, which has been ominously dubbed "luciferase."

According to reports, luciferase will activate these quantum dot "microneedles," as they are also called, effectively delivering the so-called vaccines into people's bodies. This "near infrared bioluminescence enzyme luciferase" is what will make the Gates vaccines readable through special mobile device apps that will scan the injection site and identify the "digital certificates," or proof of vaccination, that Gates and others have been publicly announcing in recent days."

Implantable Microsoft digital ID microchip bears the patent #060606

funny how they are pushing this

People say America has no king .wrong America has king Jesus.an America still has a lot of gods work to be done .god speed america

I agree that we are living in some pretty peculiar times right now which we can't help but wonder if we are getting close to the end. We shouldn't let any of this bother us because Christ has clothed us in His righteousness and we are prepared for whatever comes our way. I truly believe that He will remove us before His wrath gets poured out. I find encouragement and comfort from reading Revelation. There are some pretty horrible things listed in Revelation that will come on people when God pours out His wrath. But 1 Thessalonians 5:9 says For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.

God hasn't appointed us to be judged, but rather salvation. So he's trying to tell us "Don't let people come in and tell you that you're in the tribulation period and you're going to have to go through this terrible time.

God hasn't appointed us for that. He's appointed us for salvation.

The book of Revelation should bring you comfort, as it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and it shows us that the Lord is going to return, and He will judge the unbelieving world. Also, it is the only book in the bible that promises a blessing on those who read it. Keep in mind John Chapter 14 where Jesus said let not your hearts be troubled. He is preparing a place for us, and He will come for us one day.

Why did Uashni name get changed to Joel?

Verse of the Day for Friday, May 15, 2020

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

John 11:26 (KJV) bible

To Jenevieve on Revelation 12

Father Jesus forgive our sins and forgive our offenses as we enter into your presence where their is 2 in prayer and believe your promises their is power you are mercifull we pray over this 3 children seeds of life, thruth , of your true word in their hearth so they can have the desire to serve you protect them from this new era trending of earthly tech we pray that this marriage is renew with your presence as it was the first day when they got marry we pray for her need to serve you and spread the word in love to everyone she encounters we pray to deliver Hanna's back and burn every disease in her body from its root bring healing and protect her we pray for Jackie that you can make a miracle and no cancer return but a good news For Rick to serve you with all his hearth and for him to be the head of his house hold and a man who serves humbly we pray in your holy name believing Jesus Christ Amen.

It says in the Bible that we will suffer sometimes just like Jesus did. It is in these times we are to keep our faith and stay strong and trust the Lord. What profit is it when we trust him when things are going good? This is the time you all need to stay strong in God and in His word. Encourage your family member, God has a plan for their life. Even though I know it must be hard don't grow weary and faint. I pray for your strength, for peace and the courage to get through this season of your life. God will never forsake us or leave us. Keep trusting in Him, ask for guidance. God bless you all and keep the faith and give up.