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Matthew 24:

1 of 2 -JESUS described two events:

1st EVENT-DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE

1-JESUS came out from the Temple,the disciples came to Him and shew Him the stones of the Temple.

2-JESUS said unto them,See ye not all these things?verily I say unto you,There shall not be left here one stone upon another,that shall not be thrown down.

The testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy.What He said was LITERALLY fulfilled in the year 70AD,40 years after His ascension. There should never again be built another similar Temple,the den of the thieves never came to be rebuilt as it was.

Notice that concerning the destruction of the Temple,it has nothing to do with Mount Olives;

Mount Olives has to do only with the DESTRUCTION of the WORLD of Devil in the current time,from now on.

Israel was destroyed from 70 to 1948,1878 years of severe punishments and curses- Deuteronomy 28:15-68-the Temple there should never again be built another.The father of the Jews- John 8:44-will be cast down into the bottomless pit,that he should deceive the nations no more- Revelation 20:1-4.

-2ND EVENT-DESTRUCTION OF THE DEVIL's WORLD & SIGNS OF JESUS's COMING

3JESUS sat upon the mount of Olives.The disciples came unto Him privately,saying:Tell us,when shall these things be?

1-What shall be the sign of thy coming?

2-And of the END of the world?

4JESUS gave a list of signs,saying what AT FIRST will happen:

(1)Take heed that no man deceive you;

(2)For many shall come in my name,saying,I am Christ( John 5:43-48);and shall deceive many;

(3)And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:see that ye be not troubled:for all these things must come to pass,but the END is not yet;

(4)For nation shall rise against nation,and kingdom against kingdom;

(5)and there shall be famines;

(6)and pestilences;

(7)and earthquakes,in divers places;

JESUS warned:All these are the beginning of sorrows.At first,all these things must come to pass,but the END is not yet.In fact,it is a PRETRIBULATIONAL PERIOD

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Spencer,

Right to disagree is your privilege. Among brethren only truth can cement the brotherliness. If I were to please you I would not be serving truth that I understand as given to me by the grace of God. "John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." I believe it is so. I would rather please God than please man.

With joy and peace in Him,

Some thoughts on the Tribulation

The subject has been brought up as rather common knowledge that many in the world suffer much greater persecution than we do in America at least up until this point; that appears to be rapidly about to change seeing the events of the last few months in particular. Part of what I have covered is the production of spiritual fruit; and how God uses hardships and trials to do this. Whatever our external circumstances; those today who are sold out for Christ know what it is like to be rejected; as well as having the enemy put a target on them. Necessary labor of the Great Commission is still being performed by a few faithful souls today but in the Tribulation is going to be "on steroids" as it were. Acts 5:41 often seems to be in the dust or some remote place in our thoughts in regard to rejoicing to suffer for His Name's sake.

Those who suffer that we know in the Tribulation should it be soon will also rejoice. We may wish we could be here but it is to THEIR advantage for us to be removed; or else they would never grow. Once the Rapture happens; many will realize how empty their life truly was after the shock of realization of what went down. I believe that there will be prayers in heaven for those about to be martyred ( Rev. 8:3-4 is one example). The parable of the 10 virgins seems on the surface to show the 5 foolish ones are hopelessly lost. This could represent some who thought they were believers or were believers that grew cold in their faith. A lot depends whether the last statement means "I never knew you" or "I know you not" as a lack of current intimate relation; and outer darkness could be being on the earth in the Tribulation or a representation of final hell. That is something I may have already discussed but could elaborate on. It behooves us to never be presumptuous in our faith; thinking we are bona fide Christians if our hearts are far from Him. In conclusion a great final harvest is coming.

Concluding remarks on forms and function of the church

A fundamental part of the Christian church experience should encompass not only the fellowship on Sundays or other congregational meetings and activities. A believer should be able to comprehend and experience his or her own personal ministry through their home life of prayer and intimate times between a husband and wife; rearing children and of course with alone times of devotionals. The majority of the week for most is in the workplace; thus a serving attitude; not cheating our employers with our time but working hard should also be our "reasonable service". This serves when the Lord opens a door as an opportunity to share our faith when we are able; and if the Lord allows us to start a lunchtime Bible study as it did for a friend of mine I used to know in Pittsburgh with his fellow bank employees; so be it. Obviously evangelism is something we should be prepared for "in and out of season" ( 2 Tim. 4:2).

In my earlier post I discussed what could keep someone from wanting to think about the Lord's return; and how it relates to our anticipation of church activities we have grown accustomed to; and would also involve the social ties we have. It probably has annoyed many of my fellow believers hearing me say week after week saying that I'll see them again next Sunday or at the next study "if He doesn't return first". I guess I am hoping if it does happen in my lifetime it keeps me and other vigilant thinking about these things. Sadly; I have heard on at least one occasion someone saying they didn't want Him coming yet so they could see their kids get married or some other like sentiment.

Another issue; of course is our angst of those in our midst who have not yet come to faith and our concern about not being here one more day to witness to them. This; of course involves a fundamental lack of trust that God will draw all men to Himself and will use us or someone else; to reel them in.

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Concluding thoughts end of church age (Part 2).

2. Building towards the final piece of the puzzle. Eventually; everyone who will come to the Lord will be completed. Once we are called up to be with the Lord; of course the earth will be almost completely destroyed before being renewed. Our old church building and our old houses and all other man made structures will be crumbled; and nature itself will be transformed with every valley being exalted (See Isaiah 40:4-5).

3. We shall enjoy fellowship with all the O.T. saints and N.T. saints after the Resurrection of the just. Thus; it will be the fruition of all of God's promises; both to the nation of Israel and all the nations; as well as of the church triumphant. It also will encompass all those who died in faith during the Tribulation; a countless multitude ( Rev. 7:9).

4. When He returns; we can enjoy true peace and safety. I would imagine we will meet often outdoors; as well as of course yearly worshipping with the King in Jerusalem; whether in our new bodies or those who are in the Millennium who survive the Tribulation. ( Zech. 14:16 to end of chapter).

There is much to be said in these last days about preaching correct doctrine; and much can be gleaned from reading what the early church fathers; and those during the Reformation as well as more modern "heroes of the faith". It must be remembered though that all of us have sinned and therefore terms such as the Westminster Divines personally I find disturbing at best. There are things that can be said about Calvin and Luther and probably others that are disheartening to say the least as to their character. This is not to say that admirable examples aren't worth emulating; I would put Whitfield up there as he spend hours praying in tears before preaching in his revivals. Ultimately the Bible should be our standard; anything else should only be useful as a guide and any practices only as a spotlight on Christ and His life within us.

Concluding thoughts on the end of the church age.

It would seem strange to think that because someone wants to continue on with their weekly church service and related activities that they would be hesitant to have the Lord come back but I can't help but think this happens more than we think. Certainly those who are in a false worship where the truth of the Gospel is utterly compromised or other religions and heresies have overtaken any truth that is told could be considered as fitting into this trap. Indeed it will be as a trap and a snare when the Lord returns and "they shall not escape" ( 1 Thess. 5:3).

I am focusing; however on fellowships that more or less have correct teachings. There can be a lack of discussion on the times we are living in; and the future prophetic implications soon to come in the book of Revelation as well as many other texts of future prophecies in the Bible. Here are some bullet point items to consider.

1. Families. My friend; who painstakingly led his mother to Christ after years of visiting her in a nursing home and who was ostracized by other family members as well as outright abused by his brother told me that his true family was that of brothers and sisters in the Lord. Finding the balance between personal boundaries that need to be maintained when raising kids; and the personal commitment to time to ourselves and building ties with others in the Lord as well as other families may vary; but the bottom line as I always say is that we're going to spend eternity together so we may as well start getting along with each other now. What is truly awesome is that people of completely different personalities; talents; interests; etc can find something in common with Christ. It is a sort of multidimensional way of extending ties with our friends that hopefully grows into associations with those of other nationalities whether home or abroad with missionaries on the ground who we can pray for and fellowship with.

ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD

Part 1

There are many different ways to believe in God in the world today. But where do we find the real God and our way to eternal life with Him? God is not the God of many different religions; many different beliefs, that is the devil. God is the God of one true religion; His. How do you suppose God who, loves us so ultimately and deeply, made the way for us to have eternal life in heaven? One religion criticizes the other for this or that in their beliefs but there is one source God has given us to know without having to debate or judge other's beliefs. The Bible. The God who created everything and knows everything is quite capable of preserving His Word in truth, keeping it pure. So we do have the directions, in whole, to read and understand the way to salvation? So who do you believe? Your pastor or priest or your church or your grandma or parents, etc.? Or do you study for yourself so you KNOW what the truth is. (I use the KJB only but that's me.) The important thing is to read and study diligently for yourself. You can come up with many excuses not to do this, but just "reading" it or not giving it any attention at all will not get you into heaven. That's my opinion, sure, but you might want to find out for yourself if you really do want to go to heaven. Eternal life with a wonderful, all loving, benevolent God offering unimaginable blessings for eternity or eternal damnation. One human being doesn't have the authority to tell other human beings what to believe when it comes to God. They can share what they believe, like a minister preaching, but it is totally up to each of us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.

Part 2

I think one of the absolutely most vital verses to read and understand is 2 Timothy 2:15. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth." (KJB) Don't you agree? Do you believe the Word is from God for each one of us to read and study so we can understand what God is telling us? Do you believe God is telling us to study for ourselves, to know what God is wanting from us so we can have eternal life? Do you believe God has given all the scripture to us by the power of the Holy Ghost to admonishes us to know His will so we can find our way to heaven? Do you believe that once you begin to study with an open heart and mind that you will find delight in God's word? I am a child of God not a Catholic or a Protestant or a part of any kind of religion, just a child of God. God doesn't care about titles. So, what is really true when it comes to the human soul and having a promise of eternal life with God? Isn't that what matters? It's easier to just go along and accept what other's may tell you to believe but in the end it will be devastating for your soul if they are wrong. We, as God's creation, can have an assured hope of heaven if we would find the truth on our own, what God has planned for us from the very beginning. God became man in the person of Jesus Christ so His divine blood could be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. He didn't intend for it to be any other way. His death and return to heaven was all He decided was needed for us to have salvation. He gave His word for us to find our way to the true Him and how to become born again. I hope there will be those who will give, what you read here, some serious thought and take it to heart. The Holy Ghost wrote the bible, He will help you understand it. Just ask Him to.

Dangerous times

The other day I heard about a falling out from a church I used to attend with a good friend of mine. It seems the Pastor only wanted to talk rather than hear what he had to say; and that there is a sort of mindset of exclusivity there in regard to it being the only genuine church denomination as my friend put it. The conversation is skewed by the fact that my friend tends to be very opinionated and rather vocal with an aggressive sort of personality.

I introduce this to say that a church can be increasingly legalistic; or on the contrary embrace the tidal wave of political correctness and hence be a Laodicean type church. in EITHER case I would dare say that a RELIGIOUS spirit can overtake people. There can exist the pride of performance; or the pride of the world and embracing all the damnable heresies in order to emphasize the "love" of God.

I have compared the end of the church "age" or "dispensation" with that of ancient Israel. We are reminded that God was to be worshipped in John 4:24 where the woman at the well was told that God was spirit and we must worship Him in spirit and truth.

The remnant always remains of true "Israel" (see Isaiah 10:20). There is also a confessing church and a small portion of them who are POSSESSING the Holy Spirit and thus truly children of God. It is not in a building; ordinances; catechisms and other structured parts of worship that in themselves have any meaning and indeed once we behold Him much of our current practices will be rendered as archaic and in the past. The end all of all things is heavenly treasure; and we are aliens and strangers on this earth. If we take our experience that we see with our five senses to heart without considering the unseen we are not going to progress. Yes; God uses local assemblies and our fellow believers to (hopefully) be discipled and grow together while enjoying legitimate blessings together of families and friends. But we look to the hope to come.

Hi Bennymkje.

I completely disagree with everything you sated in this section!

This is where we depart in this discussion.

Thanks, and may the Lord bless you.

Bennymkje.

Part 2.

This section is not pointing fingers towards you are anyone in particular.

Deuteronomy 7:6-8 is a portion of scripture that has made an envious world hate the Jews and sadly some of the body of Christ has been compromised by this evil.

"For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt"

Verse 6 is what they take issue with. "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, ABOVE ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH"

Some would like to have this said about them, so they render this to the Church.

However, be at ease the church was not in the world when this verse was given,

And the Church is never called people of the earth or earth dwellers.

However, If I'm wrong and God chooses them over the Church, he has the right to do so, it's his creation.

Deuteronomy 7:7-8 emphasizes God's elect! He didn't choose them for any particular reason. It is not the Church.

The Church was never redeemed out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Israel is part of God's plan of salvation explained in Romans 11:11-33.

I find it amazing that the same people who say you can't be saved by the law of Moses "and rightfully so"

They acknowledge scriptures like 2 Corinthians 3:6-7 Galatians 3:19-25 when defending their own imperfections but say Israel failed because they couldn't.

God bless.

Hey, check out Rev 16:19, the wine of the wrath of God. Don't forget, Lazarus and the rich man is a "parable". It was told to explain that being rich was not to be misunderstood as favor from God.

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Asking for extra strong protection, intervention, grace, mercy, much more strength, much more love, the power of the Holy Spirit, guidance, wisdom and breakthrough for us and all in need. Also asking some help with something painful concerning some old friends (may not impede the ministry). Also help with P. and job and healing for M. and K. Thank you.

My first time here. So forgive me if I ask in the wrong place etc.

Psalm 75:8 says "For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; It is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: But the dregs thereof, All the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them."

In Luke 16:24 "24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame."

My question is does the Luke 16:24 in any way cancel out Psalm 75:8. I understand the rich man was still in the not so good part of Abraham's bosom.

However I've been told that Psalm 75:8 would not be possible since there is no water thus no moisture in hell. Even tho that to me is clearly not the full extent of hell yet. Thank for any replies, Lester

Praying for you, dear sister, in Jesus' name!

The Third Heaven- the glory

"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?" (1 Ki.8:27)

Jesus Christ is the brightness of His glory since he proved the Word was doable. With one sacrifice he perfected all those who were sanctified. His body prepared for him before the foundation of the world fulfilled the divine Will. Body as a temple. Jesus had declared, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."( John 2:19) Forever thy word is settled in heavens, the Psalm quote helps us understand the glory of Son which has both power and wisdom associated with the Law. (Ps.119:89) The four and twenty elders as a memorial commemorated the body. "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,/Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;/Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high./Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." He is named and the name gives a clear distinction that he bears the name as befitting the visible image of the invisible God. Glory of the name is the Soul, and when we bear the name of Christians we are acknowledging we bring glory and honor to his his name. Our humility is not merely put on but withour lives we witness it. This explains why 24 elders remain unnamed. In trinity they witness the body along with the four beast. (Ph.2:5-9) This is the mind we ought to develop.

God is a Spirit. Thus Trinity is mirrored by all those saints called and blessed in the Son. Their body the church has only one name of the Son.

Hi Bennymkje.

Bare with me and my slow responses.

I'm multitasking.

I'm at work.

I will try to get part 2 to you later today.

Thanks and God bless.

Thanks for your warm reply, Chris.

Glad your vacation was so very refreshing to you. It is always a blessing to speak with you.

Spencer,

I merely wanted to show that symbols used change according to the context so Israel as a nation was rejected when the lion in the night vision of Daniel was plucked and made to stand like man. "and a man's heart was given to it."(Dan.7:4) Monarchial system has been done away with and man's heart sets Jesus in the direct frame of reference. Where does that leave Israel? Their dominion has been taken away. This is night vision and this clue, " In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon" tells us that we are looking at the divine Mind. "As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time."(7:12) Instead vv.13-14 conform the holy city of God descending from heaven. ("And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end," Re.21:1-6) Alpha and Omega refers to the Son fulfilling the divine Will of the Father. Not David but Jesus Christ the king of kings. In Daniel's vision he is given dominion, glory and a kingdom. This is set in heaven and it is where he is established. Ps.2:6-7

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

With regards to Israel as a nation this verse says with finality: "And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down."( 2 Ki.21:13)

A remnant of Israel will be included once they realize their error and come to him in genuine repentance. Their error was in not accepting the spiritual aspect of Messiah and the spiritual kingdom.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Bennymkje

Part 1

Zechariah ch 11 hinges on the first coming of Christ. It emphasizes the rejection of Christ.

Zechariah 11:14 "Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

This happened when Israel rejected their Messiah, and the veil was rent from top to bottom. Later the Romans came in and destroyed Jerusalem.

Then came the scattering.

Ezekiel is emphasizing the regathering and Spiritual revival.

As of now they are blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

In 2 Corinthians 3:14-16. Paul says "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Also here in Romans 11.

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The veil on the heart and blindness Paul is speaking of in these two books.

Verse 16 of the Corinthians passage says "Nevertheless WHEN IT SHALL TURN TO THE LORD, the vail shall be taken away.

When what shall turn to the Lord?

Their "Stony" heart!

This will be done away with when God puts his spirit in them spoken of by Ezekiel and Jeremiah.

Now most agree the Church started and the Jews and Gentiles were put into one body by the Ressurection of Christ.

But here in Romans and Corinthians Paul is speaking of a future event.

See part 2

The Third Heaven- the body

There are two worlds framed by the word of God. Invisible made to appear which expains faith as the nonverbal mode of communication. So works explain from how what is seen delineates the holiness of God. "A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?" (Mal.1:6-7) Jesus Christ the Word become flesh showed how we ought to worship him. Offering polluted bread is how evangelicals serve God and mammon. Their Christian nationalism testifies against them that they withhold their due reverence (or tithes) Taken together their lives and offerings are merely chaff.

God prepared a body which signalled also the slain Lamb motif that should bring the bodies as a living sacrifice. (Ro.12:1) We are entering into a death in order to be conformed to his life. " Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,/ And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father."(Re.1:6-7). God rested on day Seven after blessing man (Ge.1:28). The four beasts and 24 elders are memorial and set before the throne of God. Symbols of kingship and priesthood the elders wear.

They are seated "clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.". Their priestly service is indicated by golden vials, "full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."

In this forum there has been lies spread giving them names which the Spirit has not given and given a status that defile the pure beings as intended by the divine Will. Solomon who went astray his heart being led away by his wives (1 Ki.11:1-5). For this reason let not anyone foist lies over the word of God. This is similar to give names to the Beast. 666 explains it already. Yet like Lucifer such liars say, "I will"

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Hi Spencer,

You write, "I take exactly what Ezekiel penned down in Ezekiel 37:16-21/and let verses 18 and 19 do the explaining./16) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions..."

I suspect all these confusion has arisen out of your own statement. You take exactly from Ezekiel as the last word on Israel as a Nation. Comparing spiritual with spiritual does not mean neglecting what the Spirit has laid out elsewhere and all these passages hold together in the Son and by him consist. (Col.1:15-19) Compare Ez.36/37 with Zec.11:14 "Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel."

Much of the heresies in the present day churches owe to a lack of vision and unwillingness to acknowledge the fullness of God in his Son. Both worlds of the Spirit and the body are to be treated as one. Israel making a homeland by deceit and chicanery in 1948 is not according to the will of God. Ez.3:35-36 What peace are they enjoying?

Hi Spencer

Israel and the Gentiles are of equal weight. God as the Creator does not play favourites. The birth of Pharez and Zarah shows it. "behold, twins were in her womb./And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first./ And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How hast thou broken forth? this breach be upon thee: therefore his name was called Pharez./ And afterward came out his brother, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah."(Ge.38:27-30) The scarlet thread shows redemption foreshadowing the Advent of Christ. Phares came out first. Remember the principe. The first shall be last and the last first. "But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first."(Matt.19:30)

While interpreting passages one golden rule is that principles relating to the Word, Holiness of Godand the Son do not change. two sticks in Ezekiel have another meaning in Ze.11:10 "And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people." Next to it mention of thirty pieces of silver also is equally significanct. it is of the Son we are considering.