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Very true, Bob, I agree. It is however unfortunate that at the time of printing the Bible, letter cases weren't given the importance it deserved. I'm particularly sensitive to that as well, even applying caps to, for example, possessive nouns (e.g. God's Glory). It all depends how one is taught I suppose. Having said that, I've noticed & with my apology, "(i.e. God;s)" in my text, was a result of finger trouble or carelessness, or maybe both.

The Nation Israel.

Israel of old in a way represents the natural man at his best.

They were a nation separated from a pagan Idolizing world and instructed by God with God in their midst.

They displays the nature of man who's joined to a living soul. (Adam).

(This is an example where religion does not save.)

Sin is not only what you do that condemns you. It's also who you are that condemns you. "A sinner!

Education about right on wrong can't save you, it can only convict you,

However, this lesson and conviction is necessary for the preparation of the Gospel. That's was their purpose.

There is only one that can save you and that's the last Adam. he is a quickening spirit. (Life giving Spirit.) Christ.

There has to be a transition from the first Adam to the last Adam and that is seen in baptism of the Holyspirit. Romans 6:3-4.

Look at the order of events here in Romans 6:22-23.

1st) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

2nd) ye have your fruit unto holiness,

3rd) and the end everlasting life.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. ( The Gift is eternal life by that life giving Spirit. Jesus)

Romans 8:11. speaks on the quickening spirit that raised Jesus from the dead quickening our mortal bodies to bare fruit unto life.

Romans 8:12-16 sums this all up.

"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:" This is the gift of eternal life shown in sanctification.

This is also what James is saying in James 2:17-18.

God bless.

It is still better understood that if a Mother is mentioned, then she must be the first in line to her children & their children. It cannot work backwards, i.e. if there were humans before Eve & then she was called 'Mother' to those before her. Even, the Apostle Paul (in 1 Corinthians 15:45) stated, "...The FIRST MAN Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." If the "first man" was not really the first man then anything we feel about it or believe is correct, will only be from speculation, or from science (as you wrote).

Thankful7741:

Jesus Christ was the first king of Israel; but they rejected him, as has most of his creation to this day.

1 Samuel 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel,when they said, Give us a KING ......

1 Samuel 8:7 ....for they have not rejected thee, but they have REJECTED ME to reign over them .....

God bless you!

What pleasure to read again the many lessons onfolded by each chapter every verse and line. Lord willing with His care I shall attempt to hide Gods Word in my heart. So I may not sin against Him. That His Word might come to memory as I apply it. To the One Lord God do I give him thanks for His years of my enjoyment in His most precious Word. For His glory and honour.

Lord Jesus- I pray for all our children- please have your Holy Spirit guide them to your path keep them safe and protect their beautiful hearts of flesh.

I pray my daughter Tatiyana realizes how much her daughter is worth.

Touch her heart in the MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS!!

May the wrath of GOD be upon every person that hurts a child or any weaker helpless person.

May God punish them- and show no mercy.

In Jesus mighty name I pray.

Amen

May all parents have the spirit of discernment when it comes to their children- all children.

May the Holy Spirit protect their little hearts of flesh and keep them from hardening.

May these little angels know that JESUS is their protector and May all who hurt a child- feel their pain and sorrow in Jesus Mighty Name i Pray.

AMN

Reading scripture daily keeps you fresh with god ( our father) and will solve many problems .

Who was first king of Israel?

Chris thank you for your time and a very good respectful conversation on this subject, I do enjoy them, and hopefully they will be fruitful for others who read them as well.

I will only say one more thing Chris.

You said "preserved in the essence of what God wanted to tell us". The way I see that is God would tell us absolutely nothing but the Truth. If God was involved in the translation (and He was) then His Words are 100% pure, sound, uncontaminated. God cannot lie and He would not give us anything that's a half truth, or errors, so everybody who reads and studies the KJB will be able to rightly divide the word of truth ( 2 Tim 2:15) ( 1 Cor 1:10)

God Bless you brother.

Prayers for a safe vacation.

I don't see this at all. If there was no one else living, how could she be the mother of all living? Obviously, the world was already populated when Adam was created and, after the fall, Eve spiritually became their mother. This is not only perfectly in line with Genesis but it also lines up with what we know from science.

Hello Jimbob,

I really don't want to get back into a critical discussion with you as to your belief regarding the KJV or to impinge on your discussion with Chris. As I have in several comments stated my understanding regarding the Nature of the Bible, the KJV, and what I believe to be God's stated methodology for Bible interpretation.

However, I am curious about your methodology for in depth Bible study:

Have you ever used a Concordance or an interlinear based upon the KJV to do a word study of any kind in order to understand how God uses a specific Greek or Hebrew word or phrase THROUGHOUT the Bible?

And also, can you state the principles you use for Bible interpretation and your Scriptural basis for those principles?

Once again Jimbob, thank you. I won't address each point as this can go on ad infinitum without finding agreement. Your belief is that the KJB is the Bible referred to, in the Scriptures you gave (such as in Psalm 12:6,7). This is a good example of how the Scriptures are mishandled. This passage in Psalm 12 is given to show the purity of God's Word & its everlasting nature. The mention of "silver tried in a furnacepurified seven times", shows indeed how pure & without error that Word from the LORD was - nothing at all to do with KJB translators taking seven years to produce this Bible.

As well, those Words uttered by God will never change & will never be lost - again showing us the abiding nature of what God has spoken & given. What has now been produced centuries later is the best we have, given how documents & fragments were preserved, collected, & translated. No translation, past or present, can ever reflect perfectly what God spoke to His prophets & servants (& then their recording) - we just need to satisfy ourselves that what we read now does align in the best possible way to the texts that were gathered.

So some turn & hold to the KJB, others reject it, even by many well-studied in biblical history & in document & text analysis, refuting our claim of the superiority of the KJB over other works, giving their preference to other versions. So to answer your last question: the "preserved" Words of God are what we have now. Preserved to the very letter? Never - but preserved in the essence of what God wants to tell us, with that Word being Spirit-generated (as it was given to the prophets of old), able to cut deep into our soul & spirit ( Hebrews 4:12).

And as I wrote, to address each of your other points would take too long & I see no value in doing so anyway, knowing how we read the Scriptures on this matter particularly. As well, I will be on vacation for about six weeks, so thank you for your time brother & may you daily experience His blessings.

Hello Chris

About Isaiah 7::14, the Hbr should be translated as " young woman", not "virgin", that is why there is a difference from Genesis 24:16. This is how it is always written in the Hebrew Bibles (Tanakh). So why did the KJB translators preferred the term virgin? Because this how it is written by Matthew in his gospel when he is referring to Isaiah's prophesy about Jesus' birth.. But Matthew follows the Septuagint text of the Old Testament, not the Masoretic. And in the Septuagint it is written "the virgin" And here comes the surprising thing. Although the KJB uses the Masoretic text for the Old Testament in this particular verse they use the Septuagint. Actually this verse is a verse where one part (Hebrews and christians) calls the others forgers. The Hebrews say the christians changed the text to fit Jesus' birth (how is that possible since the Septuagint was written 3 centuries BC?) and the christians say the Hebrews changed it later on to delete any reference to Christ. Just for information. GBU

And He earnestly warned them not to tell who He was. ( Mark 3:12).

This and 22 other verses apparently exist in the Gospels where Jesus warned either people or the demons cast out of individuals not to tell anyone who He was. This seems to be particularly focused on the area where the Jews were; for we see exceptions with these examples:

They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes. ( Mark 5:1). Here after Jesus cast the legion of demons out of a man he told him to NOT follow Him right away "Go home to your own people and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you." ( Mark 5:19).

We see the same principal with the woman at the well. John 4 doesn't give any explicit command for the woman to stop; but she goes to her town and brings others; who come to faith and He remains 2 days with an unnamed town of Samaritans who also come to faith after hearing from Christ after the woman told them to come.

These incidences above show how the contrast exists with the Pharisees and religious order who were hell bent literally to oppose and try to destroy Christ from the onset. Christ had to ensure that His time wouldn't come until 3 1/2 years after he started the public ministry; as it was there were about 10 attempts on His life before the Crucifixion at the set time. This also showed a lack of faith in general among His own people; a Prophet is not honored in his hometown ( Mark 6:4). Contrast that with the pasage above and others where He stayed multiple days and no doubt they didn't want Him to leave.

This situation lead; no doubt to Jesus speaking in Parables which at one point at least He ONLY did when speaking to the crowds. ( Matthew 13:34; Mark 4:34). This is quite astonishing and shows how facts alone don't convince hardened hearts. Perhaps it allowed less people to blasphemy the Spirit the unforgiveable sin or cause other to be persuaded such ( Matthew 12:31).

The TRUE presence of God causes division

Chris p2.

You go on to say "In fact no Scripture ever points to the KJB being the translation of the future that preserves God's Word perfectly. If one thinks that, then that person is forcing the Scriptures to point to the KJB when it doesn't". Sorry Chris but that is only your opinion, you have no way to prove that statement. ( Ps 12:6) "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times". 7 years!

(pure) #2889; it means pure (in a physical, ceremonial or moral sense) clean, sound, unadulterated. uncontaminated, morally innocent of holy.

If you think these pure words spoken of here are the manuscripts then how do you explain ( 2 Tim 3:16) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness'. Can we use the manuscripts for reproof today, can they correct us, can we use them for instruction in righteousness today? NO WE CANNOT!

What about ( 2 Tim 2:15) "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth". (rightly dividing the word of truth)

We are told to Study to shew ourselves approved unto God. Study what? Can we study the manuscripts? NO WE CANNOT!

( 2 Pet 1:19-21) v20 "that (no prophecy of the) (scripture) is of any private interpretation"

The word (scripture) is #1124; it means a document, i.e. holy Writ (or its contents or a statement in it)

( 2 Tim 3:16) "All (scripture) is given by inspiration of God" same meaning as above. (a document)

( 2 Tim 2:15) "Study to shew thyself approved unto God" Again study what? We study scripture, the same scripture mentioned in ( 2 Pet 1:19-21)

I've got a question for you Chris? If you don't believe ( Ps 12:6-7) is a promise from God to preserve His Words for the time we live in now but think the only preserved words are in the manuscripts, where are the verses to PROVE that in the Word of God?

I don't think there are any!

Chris thanks for your response.

You said "When Peter declared this Truth to his readers". At the time Peter wrote these 2 Epistles it was around 60 AD. How far could the reach of hearing those words possibly be in 60 AD when we look at the size and population of the whole world? Chris these books are prophecy for us today. WE ARE HIS READERS!

You also said "These revelations were not of private interpretation (Gk. unloosing, unpacking) they weren't written as from man's determination, but by the "moving of the Holy Spirit upon them". I'm not sure what you mean here (Gk. unloosing, unpacking) but as for the Old Testament prophets being moved by the Holy Spirit? Can you provide verses as proof the OT prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit?

God spoke directly to the Old Testament prophets Chris. The words "Thus saith the LORD" show up 415 times.

In 60 AD why would Peter be concerned about telling the people (at that time) that the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost? They did already have the Hebrew manuscripts at that time, and one would think that they had complete faith and trust in them at that time.

Read (2 Pet Ch.2) This is prophecy for us today!

You also said "Nothing at all pointing to the KJB in these verses or any of the verses you've cited now and previously as supposedly referring to the KJB as one having pure words..purified seven times".

I don't want to offend you Chris but I'm not sure how closely you are reading these comments!

( Ps 12:6-7) Clearly points to seven times in which a time is 1 year, seven times is equal to the 7 years it took to translate the KJB, there's a major reference pointing to the KJB and it also promises God will preserve His Word for ever! ( Ps 12:7) Clearly tells us God preserved His Word from this generation for ever. FOR EVER!

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Bennymkje,

I do agree with what you say, but you say "next time it shall be easier to say no." But I ask what "makes it easier"? Part of being trained in righteousness is not "blindly" doing what you are told. Otherwise we are no more than drones. God doesn't want us to "act" righteous, no, my Father Commands that I be Righteous! What is the difference, you ask? Mistakes. You see, if I simply follow the rules, even the rules of God, I remain unknowing thereby leaving "the door" open for sin; because God says "no!", and satan asks "why not?!". If I don't have an answer for satan's question then doubt will worm it's way in me. But, if I do have an answer The Protection of God is my reward! The TRUE question is how: How do I get The Answer? And the answer to that question is: make mistakes & Learn from them! You see, if satan tempts me to play with fire (i.e. sin), if I think that there is a way to "make it work for my good" then it will gnaw at my mind incessantly until I partake of it; with the end result being that I'm guilty of transgression. But, if I have, in making many mistakes until I UNDERSTAND that there is no way that I will not "get burned" by playing with fire; there is Absolutely Nothing that satan can tempt me with! Thus, satan is rendered powerless because he doesn't even have the power to even tempt me. And all this was learned from God allowing me to make mistakes (sin) & learn from them. (Note: God allowing me to make a mistake (sin) is NOT the same as giving permission to sin)

Hi David,

All great, true, and powerful verses!

Your "HIGHLIGHTS" really emphasise the messages perfectly, and the scripture language is so easy to read/understand, no commentary is really needed, as the strength of each of these verses speak mightily.

GBU

James 5:15 "And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

Peace be with you. All of you. Even so, Selah.

Good day, David,

Thanks for this repertoire of Scripture verses that speak to recent discussions here. These bless me today.

Sorting out the firstfruits: From Christ to the 144,000

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. ( 1 Cor. 15:20-22).

Revelation 5:9-10 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 14:1-5

1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

As I mentioned in earlier postings; the firstfruits originated with Christ Himself being lifted up; those who rose from the dead (a sort of gleaning) in Matthew 27:53. Then there is the Rapture where the church appears in Revelation 5 (although firstfruits isn't in that text) and finally the 144,000 mentioned as firstfruits in Rev. 14. It would seem that in this case those of Jewish descent would be the focus here. There is a new song shared here along with the church in Revelation 5. It would seem the 144,000 come after the midpoint of the Tribulation.

Richard, I am sure that God is working these prayers out in your congregation as we speak. It is His will for us to be prayerful and to expect His answers to come to all that is asked within His holy will.

As for praying for me, I would say that I always need prayer that I do and say what the Spirit would desire. That I continue to resist the devil and deny the sinful nature within me. That I maintain a repentant lifestyle that keeps me turned to God and His ways and turned away from sin. This is the life I was called to live from childhood and I do not grow weary of living it at all, but we can still fall into sin so easily. You can pray that my sons and their wives come to Jesus for salvation and live for Him. And you can pray for me to continue in better health. I have improved so much since retiring, but still have things to work on such as losing weight, bringing down my blood pressure and A1C and not reacting to triggers that kick up my asthma.

Thank you for your love and concern for me. Talk later.

I again appreciate your prayer. One of our deacons (the only one who preaches formally) in his sermon today mentioned from Mark 2 the importance of the Word but also taking action. He mentioned that people that have ideas for things can take action and they will get support. He probably should have stated that anything spurious will be guarded against although thankfully things are pretty doctrinally sound among the congregation. He also mentioned persevering in prayer; whether or not we see answers as we expect or not. Generally it seems some more prayer is gradually working into the service.

I met yesterday with a young lady who attends our church at her workplace; and she prayed with me at the store; no less. I mentioned some of this stuff; along with the fact that although the online prayer only has men; it is not meant to be limited to men only. It is the demographic issue which I discussed with her as well; she enjoys another church fellowship that shares the building for further involvement as well.

As for the activities; one is a fundraiser for kids who are abused; including sexual trafficking. (These are coffee house Saturday night events). That may be one and the same as something called "battle for the bands" where a producer is supposed to take on the winner of the show; there is also fund raising there; 2 concerts back to back Sept 9 then the 16th.

A member of my church who just met my parents a couple weeks ago got my dad "The case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel. My dad says he isn't interested but you can pray he looks at it; he saw where I left it in his study when he was sleeping. I am sure you have prayed for their salvation.

I suppose I should ask what to pray for you. It shouldn't have to be said after all you have done in my behalf that I will pray for you also.

I can only hope there are others who are actively praying for one another here; hopefully if there is no response to a serious request someone fills in on this site

Richard, thank you for the update on the prayer needs of your fellowship and of the need for more prayer there. We all could work on Paul's exhortation to pray without ceasing and making our petitions known to God when they arise.

Dear Heavenly Father, I pray today for Richard asking you to continue to heal his body and make him strong physically. I also lay before you the requests Richard has brought up concerning his church fellowship. Bring to this fellowship an urgency to pray for one another, for the spiritual work that is being done by the pastor, teachers, and elders. Make this fellowship a house of prayer, Lord, for it is needed that we be diligent in bringing to you all things that are done in your name as well as the needs of the people who attend this fellowship. Lord, in Your mercy, grant these prayers in marvelous ways so as to turn many to You wholeheartedly with open hearts and empty hands to make their requests to You and receive the amazing answers to their prayers. All of this we ask of You, Father, in the name of Your Son, Jesus. Amen.

Daruled,

Faith is one and, and we grow from glory to glory which is one way of progression. In our faith we grow and with experience we are stronger to accept that God is able to turn things arounds and it is in his own time so we rest in his promises. It was what Abraham did. "By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:/For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God."(He.11:9-10) Mustard seed must sprout and grow so must the leaven in three measures of meal. 'Till the whole was leavened" speaks of a lapse of time. It is what Christian living would mean. We are many branches to the true Vine drawing from his bountifulness so our fruits have a quality. 'In him was life' and it is faith living in us in the matter of our choices and pursuits. God has given what is needful for life and godliness so choices you make tell the maturity in faith. "My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not."(Pr.1:10) It is a surefire formula to make some easy money. Your faith is tested there. Next time it shall be easier to say 'no'.

"amnesty".. good choice of wording, grace and peace through our Lord.

Jude 1:3,4 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the COMMON SALVATION, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should EARNESTLY CONTEND FOR THE FAITH which was ONCE DELIVERED ONTO THE SAINTS. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the GRACE of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 2:1-10 And you hath HE QUICKENED, who were DEAD IN TRESPASSES AND SINS; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were DEAD IN SINS, hath QUICKENED US together with Christ, (by GRACE ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his GRACE in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT OF GOD: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. For we are HIS WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath BEFORE ORDAINED that we should WALK IN THEM.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, but by the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED BY THE FAITH OF CHRIST, and not by the WORKS OF THE LAW: for by the WORKS OF THE LAW shall NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.

2 Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE:---

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do KNOW that we KNOW HIM, if we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.