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  • Rrscaccia - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello Chris - It seems as if you are correct but then the writer should have used a capital H instead of a lower h. Do you agree? I completely see your logic. In Christ - Bob
  • Daruled - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Chris,

    Please understand me, when I say that I don't believe in abrogation I'm not saying that it doesn't exist I'm saying that I refuse to partake in it. For example: I don't believe in walking on high wires with no safety net, that doesn't mean that there aren't people who don't do so, it simply means that I won't do it. Truthfully, in my mind abrogation is the same thing as "walking on a high wire without a safety net", it doesn't mean that it can't be done, it simply means that I won't ever do so.

    You also mention The Old Covenant and how it was "done away". "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13 KJV Let me point out that many people misunderstand the meaning of this passage. God speaks of the First Covenant as "old" and is "ready to vanish away" yet, it isn't "abrogated" it is more like childhood. I'll explain: as adults we were once children, but now we are to "put away" childish things for as we have matured, childish things are done away with. Yet, who we are now depends upon who we were as children! What I'm saying is that the lessons we learned as children "shaped" who we are today as adults. So, it's not that our childhood vanished, it's that our experiences as children "set the tone" for who we are now. The same for The First Covenant, for it is done away with, yet "The Echo" of it will resound throughout all Eternity. So Christ did Fulfill the law, yet "fulfill" in this case is likened to matured (into adulthood).

    Also, you mention Jews under the law, but remember they are "cut off" for our sake Rom. Ch 11 the Jews for the Gentiles, the vessels of wrath for the vessels of honor, and Christ for the world. This is a Pattern that God has implemented throughout all of history! The Jews are under Election and what that means is that action isn't required of them (faith), only God Choosing them.
  • Pnovello - In Reply - 1 year ago
    MnstBoyd, how sweet of you to pray for others and me. It seems in today's world more healings are needed. I thank the Lord that He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. I ask the Lord God to bless you with the manifestation of His supernatural power as you work for Him.
  • Daruled - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Bennymkje,

    Thank you for your reply. I will first point out where the holy bible doesn't agree with you. As we all understand Christ required faith in order to Heal people Matthew 17:20 KJV, so in essence it was peoples Faith that allowed Christ to heal. Yet, Christ is merciful whereas the law is unmerciful, so Christ understanding that it isn't about "all or nothing" concerning matters of faith therefore Christ requires only a "mustard seed" of faith (i.e. something that will grow into great faith!) Therefore, Christ gives this example: "Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth." Mark 9:23 KJV And the man whom Christ was talking to admitted something very Profound: "And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief." Mark 9:24 KJV Then Christ cast out the demon. You see Bennymkje, if what you say is true then any unbelief wouldn't allow Christ to heal someone, yet God is merciful because sometimes The Journey is just as important as The Destination. Remember Grace, for we are under Grace Today, while it is still Today!
  • Lodebar on Luke 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello All...most assuredly I hope everyone continues in His blessings.

    Concerning Luke 1:18...every time I read that verse I expect to see Zechariah's response being something on the order of " Just like Abraham and Sarah....oh the goodness of God!".
  • Lodebar on Luke 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello All,

    I surely would have expected that Zecharias would have brought to his mind Abraham and Sarah's great blessing. That he would have to know that Gabriel's words were a great sign of truth and Amen.
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Dear S Spenser , hi , I don't think that anyone on here who has regularly read your posts , could ever doubt your heartfelt faith . Please be aware that you are not the only person reading / contributing to this site , that is able to discern between a genuine heartfelt faith and someone repeating what they have read or heard from a book or a web site etc . Most of us on here , even when we are occasionally in error :) , have a genuine zeal for the truth , some of us have zeal for ourselves :) . You are not the only one who can spot the differences . Sometimes in life , it's best to stop banging your head against a brick wall and just walk away quietly , for your own sake , consider this option . Think of the harm you may be doing to yourself . Peace and love in Christ to you from me .
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS: Unique to man

    Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. ( John 9:41).

    In the Old Testament we see the mad Prophet Balaam stopped by a donkey who God readily used to block his way and for a mouthpiece of rebuke. ( 2 Peter 2:16-18 as quoted in the N.T. from Numbers 22-24). We see also how the demons Jesus cast out knew who Jesus was ( Mark 3:11-12). This is somewhat understandable from the fact that the angels were there to see God in heaven and witness the creation of the earth ( Job 38:7).

    We are warned in James 2:19 about not just saying that we believe in God. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; this is quoted many times in scripture. The conscience of men can be seared after some time; hearts hardened ( 1 Tim. 4:2; Exodus 7:3 and subsequent verses with Pharaoh). A believer has a healthy awe based on God's Holiness; and without holiness no man can see God ( Heb. 12:14).

    Only man could see the miracles of Christ and still remain in unbelief. That would not just be related to the physical miracles when on earth; but also the miracle of salvation which often was accompanied by deliverance in scripture but which we see today. Mercifully God forgives any sin against the Father or Son is forgivable ( Matt. 12:32); but against the Holy Spirit is not.

    The Spirit demonstrates His Holiness amongst the ministry of John 16:8 warning the world of sin; righteousness and judgment to come. The opposite of a broken and contrite heart is pride and self righteousness (only the sick need a physician Matt. 9:12).

    Therefore such Pharisitical people also make their own twisted judgments on right and wrong and condemn others based on that mindset.

    May we read scripture for its true meaning not through any man centered agenda; respecting ALL of it as God's Word ( 2 Tim. 3:16). May we have a heart to always glean new truths from God; seeking His face daily ( Psalm 1:2
  • David Allen - 1 year ago
    Please remember me and my family my daughter Jessica and her young family , remember all the travelers this weekend that have safe travels , remember to pray for the lost
  • David Allen - In Reply - 1 year ago
    thank you sister , i pray for you and your family
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Fulness of Christ (2 of 2)

    1 Co.4:7

    It is not of ourselves but according to, "the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:/ That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:/ In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:/ That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ."(Ep.1:7-12)

    Finally we should need have a sober mind to see truth as it is written in our inward parts lest we should forget ourselves. " For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:/ But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise." (1 Co.1:26-30)

    Our glory is only in him who has made more than conquerors "through him that loved us.".(Ro.8:37) When God chose us He showed the world why."And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:/ That no flesh should glory in his presence./ But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Fulness of Christ (1of 2)

    1 Co.4:7

    "For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?"

    We are God's elect. When God framed the worlds by his word we were there in the divine Will. (He.11:3; Ro.8:33). God sent his Son to the world in the fulness of time he was in human likeness so each one of us may see him as in a glass. He was the visible image of God so in his divine will, we were given in his Son a place. This is one aspect of his fulness coming from his Being. He is holy so in terms of his name we have a name in his Son. God," who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ," called us "that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"(Ep.1:3-4)

    Fulness of Christ is in terms of his obedience. He was his beloved Son in whom he was pleased. His holiness his brightness of glory clothed in a form so he felt hunger and thirst as everyone one of us, "but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (He.4:15) We were of sinful flesh struggling under the law of Sin. But his perfection has had a great bearing on us past present and future. We who were condemned were justified or sanctified because of him. " For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."(He.10:14;Ro.8:1)

    His fulness is established by his resurrection, "after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;"(He.10;12). In all these God revealed his grace towards us. "According to the riches of his grace;/ Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;" So we walk in faith and not by sight. It is His fulness we may see the role of the word of his power with which we are built up daily, as St Paul says, "and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified."(Ac.20:32; He.1:3)'
  • Jordian - 1 year ago
    Anyone on here a pastor minister bishop deacon apostle?
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Page 2.

    Re: Romans 11. Here too, I understand this passage differently. True, unbelieving Jews under the Law are also "under the curse" ( Galatians 3:10,11). And if they continued to place themselves under the Law, when that Law under that Covenant no longer existed (or, had become invalid), then they were doomed & cut out of the olive tree. There were still Jews that became believers ( Romans 11:5,7: the elect (Jews) had obtained salvation, along with the Gentiles who believed (also now the elect of God) & subsequently engrafted into the tree ( Romans 11:17-21)). So I believe that those who would not believe, received 'the spirit of blindness, deafness & slumber', but only temporary (v11), hopefully to be "provoked to jealousy", seeing the Gentiles have embraced the Messiah Whom they rejected & crucified.

    But if the Law only 'matured', now to be embraced under the New Covenant, then the bindings & judgements of that Law must still weigh upon those in Christ. I see that there is more to the Old Law, than just a set of holy Commandments to be obeyed. It has to be cast off so that the one in Christ can truly come under the liberty & power that the Spirit gives. So the apostle could exclaim that he was now free from the law of sin & death, embracing the Law of the life-giving Spirit. If the old Law only 'matured' into the New, the full value of the New Covenant may be understood to be diminished.

    And re: "fused together", I wasn't referring to the elect being fused together, but to the Law that was given under the Old Covenant to the Law under the New Covenant. But when the elect of Israel turn to the Lord, not only will the veil be taken away ( 2 Corinthians 3:16), but we, together with them can enjoy liberty in obedience to Christ; and particularly for the Jew, I would think that the transition would truly be liberating, giving the certainty & joy that the Law denied them. And we can see the emotion of Paul in his dealing with this subject in his letters.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
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    Thanks for your explanation of 'abrogation' Daruled. Though I understand what you're writing, I still can't see how if 'you don't believe in it' (i.e. in this instance by my use of it), yet I can still "use it correctly". Therefore, Matthew 5:18 as you quoted, is of no problem to me as I read that Jesus was born "under the Law ( Galatians 4:4), to redeem them that were under the law" ( Galatians 4:5). He came as a Jew, abiding by the Laws & all the ceremonial requirements, as the Old Covenant was still in force. And as He said, "I am not come to destroy (the Law), but to fulfil"; His purpose was not to remove the Law but to fulfil its demands perfectly (and so He did in His Life & in His Death). He could not be accused to have broken any Law, even though the religious leaders had much to accuse Him of according to their interpretations & inclusions within the Law. They might even have thought of this Man, with this new teaching, as an opponent to 'their brand' of Laws & thus undermining their hypocritical regime. But Jesus said that the true Law's destruction wasn't His purpose of coming.

    But when the Work at the Cross was fully accomplished, the Law that once only led to death giving no hope, was nailed to the Cross ( Colossians 2:14), thus bringing an end to both it & the Old Covenant under which it was enshrined. To Page 2.
  • Bennymkje - 1 year ago
    Hi Daruled,

    You don't accept somethings and leave the rest. It is whole or nothing. Faith is one. "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;/One Lord, one faith, one baptism,/One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all./But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ."Ep.4:4-7 So you do not take piecemeal of his Son. Ask and shall be given to you. Knock and you shall find. Pray that you find your answer from the word of God.
  • Daruled - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jordyn,

    Thank you for this discourse, for this is a great Love of mine, to talk about God. I would like to point out a few things; first, you said that Eve didn't deceive Adam, but I refer you to "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" Genesis 3:11 KJV "And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." Genesis 3:12 KJV. This isn't the response of a man choosing to stand with his wife, this is the response of a man who is trying to deflect blame from himself to another! Sadly I've been guilty of this type of behavior before, so I understand what it "looks like". I read 1 Tim. 2:14 differently, I see it as the apostle teaching that a woman has no right to teach a man nor exert authority over a man; not because they are "inferior" but because satan used Eve as an instrument that lead to Adam's transgression which in turn lead to mankind's transgression. To put it in perspective: gun control is a huge issue because people think guns are "the cause" of someone killing another human being so guns get the blame. But, the truth is that it's not guns that are the problem it's the one who pulls the trigger that is the problem. In this analogy Eve is the gun and Adam is the one who pulled "the trigger". Notice that the transgression wasn't done when Eve ate the fruit, but when Adam ate is when God rendered Judgment!

    Finally, I cannot say that God "caused" satan to act, because to say that is to say that God worked evil, and we all understand that God cannot work evil. Thus, to stay on the right side of The Plumb-line I accept that God allowed Satan to act (which is Very different from giving permission) Although, I do accept that satan and the demons as well as all creatures are instruments of Gods will, though some creatures God causes to act and some He allows to act according to their own nature.
  • MnstBoyd - 1 year ago
    Dear heavenly father, I seek healing and amnesty for those in need of solace. Please provide for them all of those things which they need in our midst. That we may fellowship with them who are poor in health and in spirit. May you strengthen their faith. In Jesus' name. Amen.
  • MnstBoyd - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Nehemiah 1:11 "O Lord, I beseech thee, let now thine ear be attentive to the prayer of thy servant, and to the prayer of thy servants, who desire to fear thy name: and prosper, I pray thee, thy servant this day, and grant him mercy in the sight of this man. For I was the king's cupbearer."
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Page 2.

    In fact no Scripture ever points to the KJB as being the translation of the future that preserves God's Word perfectly. If one thinks that, then that person is forcing the Scriptures to point to the KJB when it doesn't.

    Ask any Hebrew or Greek reader who is fully conversant in English as well, whether his reading of the KJB accurately reflects what his language/his understanding states. There will always be words (whether words written & understood back in the distant past or English words that are deemed to follow as closely as possible to the original), that they don't accurately, nor can ever do, when translated from one language to another.

    As an example, take these two Scriptures: Genesis 24:16 and Isaiah 7:14. "Virgin" is in both references as given by the KJB translators, yet in Hebrew the words are different: the first one is 'bethulah' & the other 'almah'. Why did the translators not give different English words for each of those verses, but just used 'virgin'? Maybe it wasn't so critical for them or they couldn't discern any useful difference, but it does shows variance & imperfection in their work, however small it may be.

    I love the KJB - I only read from it; but why I don't read from others is because of the manuscripts that they refer to, where verses are changed, words added or omitted. I find that very difficult to accept, even though I'm sure that the translators were not doing it intentionally: just using manuscripts that have proven to raise conflicts & irregularities. GBU.
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Page 1.

    Just referring to a couple of your points Jimbob. 2 Peter 1:20. When Peter declared this Truth to his readers, the prophecies 'of old' were written within the Torah, the Prophets, & the Writings. These prophecies were available to all, though with high illiteracy levels, it's likely that the Scriptures were read, understood & explained to the common man mostly by students of the Word.

    So what Peter is stating in this verse, is that the prophecies of old, which no doubt included the aspects of Jesus' coming & Sacrifice, were true revelations from God to His appointed. These revelations were not of private interpretation (Gk. unloosing, unpacking): they weren't written as from man's understanding of them nor from man's determination, but by the 'moving of the Holy Spirit upon them'.

    So the point in these verses is not of "how many could have read those words compared to those being read today in the KJB", but from where did those words find their source, their inspiration & their validity to those then & now. Nothing at all pointing to the KJB in these verses or any of the verses you've cited now & previously as supposedly referring to the KJB as one having "pure words...purified seven times". Onto Page 2.
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Daruled:

    Eve gave the fruit of the tree to Adam; and he did eat of the fruit, and the results was DEATH, but He was NOT DECEIVED, but gladly DIED, with and for his wife.

    Inside the first chapters of Genesis is hidden a parable of Christ's death, resurrection, and marriage (becoming ONE) to his wife, CHRIST IN YOU.

    1 Timothy 2:14 For Adam WAS NOT DECEIVED, but the WOMAN being DECEIVED was in the transgression.

    You are correct, this was God's plan from the foundations of the world; but, God didn't allow Saran to do anything, Satan is God's instrument, God caused Satan to act.

    Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan ..... although thou MOVETH ME AGAINST HIM, to destroy him without a cause .....

    God Bless you!
  • Daruled - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Bennymkje,

    Thank you for replying because I LOVE to talk about all things God. With that said I would like to address some things you said. "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?" Romans 8:32 KJV. This scripture shows that God is willing to give us knowledge and even understanding of His Ways! So, while there are somethings that I must "simply accept" but it isn't because my Father doesn't want to share them with me, I must "simply accept" because they are Too High for my puny mind to understand.

    You also mention God's Commandment to Adam, and I see the point you're making; yet I ask you to "look" deeply at God's commandment to Adam. God gave a Commandment to Adam and satan deceived Eve, who in turn deceived Adam; do you think that satan was somehow able to infest The Garden outside THE KNOWLEDGE of GOD? Never! So, the only viable conclusion is that God "allowed" satan to be there! (Note: this isn't the same thing as giving permission). Therefore, we can conclude that God knew what would happen. So, it isn't that Satan subverted God, or that Adam ruined God's Plan; no, I can, with assurance, declare that it was Always The Plan of God that we fall! Remember, we are made in The Image of God and yet we were made unknowing of evil or good. God knows evil as well as good. Therefore, He "allowed" satan to give us the flesh (desire of evil) so that we may know and understand evil, so that when He Rescues us He may impart Goodness and then we will know and understand Good (the tree of the knowledge of evil and good) it was Always The Plan that we know and understand these things.
  • Daruled - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Richard,

    You said many good things in which I agree and I would like to add my two cents to say that Freedom from the law, in actuality Frees us from being under Any obligation to follow Anything a man would make us to do! Just because a leader of my church doesn't understand something that God has Commanded me to do doesn't mean that I shouldn't obey God, on the contrary, I'm to forsake everything in this world for God! You mention freedom and then you limit freedom by putting restraints upon it by saying that freedom doesn't remove universal laws; and then you give examples by mentioning murder, divorce, and adultery. You see the conflict? The law was our schoolmaster ONLY until Christ came to give us The Holy Spirit! "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed." Galatians 3:23 KJV "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24 KJV "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3:25 KJV "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:26 KJV

    Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying to use your freedom to sin; but I am saying that no matter what God Commands, if He indeed does Command it, then He has made it holy! With that said; there are only four things (that I have noticed) that there is no provision for in the holy bible, 1) idolatry, 2) sexual immorality, 3)blaspheme against The Holy Spirit, and 4) hypocrisy. As far as I can tell these are things God will NEVER ask Anyone to do. But, just to give you pause in judgment, the conquering of Canaan was called for ONLY when GOD Himself came to Direct it Himself! " ( Joshua 5:13-15). For we can know that it was God because angels do not allow themselves to be worshipped.
  • Nstew - 1 year ago
    It would be helpful to be able to do a search by contributors, eg Chris.
  • Daruled - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Richard, thank you for your reply. There is much to say concerning your reply, yet in the spirit of fellowship I will forego the debatable things. But, I will point out that the Pharisees didn't reject Christ because they didn't believe He was The Messiah! No, on the contrary, they knew that Christ was indeed a man from God (Messiah) (John3:1-2). For their unbelief had a more filthy origin; Christ's teachings were about man having a Personal Relationship with The Father, and because of this God would Fulfill The Prophecy in "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Exodus 19:6 KJV. Therefore, the Pharisees knew that Jesus Christ came to take away their power as a priesthood by making us all priests! It's not that they didn't know who Christ was, it was that they called Christ an enemy to preserve their power over Israel. And yes, for that reason they were Judged. It is also something many leaders in the church are still doing today!
  • Jordyn - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jema:

    You are correct; Ezekiel 1 is a description of the Kingdom of God, the creature becoming ONE with God, through the WORKS of Christ and his cross.

    A wheel within a wheel, and where the Spirit went the wheels followed, and when the Spirit stood still the wheels stood still, just like the CLOUD over the tabernacle in the wilderness.

    God BLESS YOU!
  • Oseas - 1 year ago
    To all

    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    All the world of Devil,with all kind of structures they all have,yeah,all the nations are suffering and will suffer catastrofic and insufferable punishments in this seventh and last millennium,or seventh and last Day,the LORD's Day.By the way,the precedent period of sorrows-Mat.24:3-8-is the beginning of the ETERNAL chastisement.In fact,the ETERNAL punishment of all nations it had a deadline to start,understand?but not to FINISH,for it is for ever and ever.I must say that the Eternal punishment is already started,and it will NEVER end,but never.

    Now,within this environment of punishments and pains,and the entire collapse of the Devil's world(as WTC's collapse-2001),the false messiah of the Jews,as you know,will manifest himself,as JESUS prophesied to the Jews,saying to them that an IMPOSTOR they will receive as their messiah- John 5:43-47,combined with 2Thess.2:3-12,and Rev.13 :11-18,among other biblical references.Take a look.

    Thus,in the midst of severe chastisement and great suffering in all nations due the wrath of the Lamb,we will soon see two Beasts reigning on Earth:

    1- the ancient Gentile Beast of the Sea;

    2- the Beast of the earth (Israel) who still will manifest himself, from then on will begin the period of the last week,the 70th week Daniel 9:27,and each Beast will reign for 3,5 years-42 months-or 1260 days-and who will first rule the 5th and last kingdom of Satan-Dan.2:41-44- is the ancient Gentile Beast of the sea.

    Then Rev.11:2 and Rev.13:5 will begin to be LITERALLY fulfilled as to the first period of the last week.The worst of all punishments will happen in the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week, with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation for 1290 days-Dan.12:v.11.

    12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.(Oh yes, blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the Ineffable,Wonderful,Indescribable, Unspeakable day,the day 1.335.Hallelujah!!!
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Wow! Steven,

    I give God the praise for having given me salvation since I was a so very young. I did nothing to earn it nor was I so wise to understand it in depth. You sure have read so much prejudice into my statements, Steven. I have never said that I am an expert in Bible knowledge nor in interpretation. You are assuming that I think this or present this but are in error.

    As I have said many times, we are to think the best of others. You are failing to do that with me. You are actually attacking my character here and have done so in the recent past. This surprises me. When I have presented statements that are in agreement with you, you are kind to me. But if my statement varies from yours, you seem to have a difficult time with that.

    I am trying not to be overly sensitive here and I desire for us to be at peace. But being at peace takes respect on the side of both of us.

    All I can say at this point is that all of those things you accused me of, I think you should take a good, honest look at yourself.

    I think at this point, I am done speaking to you concerning this thread as it has become hostile from your side. I wish you well and look forward to having more gracious conversations with you in the future. The Holy Spirit will be the one to correct either of us of any ways we have sinned in our participation on this forum and towards each other. I welcome such correction from the Holy Spirit. He is never wrong.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Good afternoon S. Spencer. I cannot recall that this thread was started by the poster asking if one needs to obey the 10 commandments to be saved. In fact, I don't recall a thread beginning this way since I have been on this site for nearly 2 years.

    But perhaps it has been, I may be wrong about that.

    If you want to begin a thread by asking this question, go ahead.

    Or if you want to begin a thread with the question, "Are people saved by grace alone?

    Then the thread can focus only on such questions. But this was not the case in this thread. I think You assumed that the debate was on whether one needs to obey the 10 commandments to be saved. But that is not how I understood this thread to be about totally.

    I disagree that I am straddling the fence on this issue. I have always stated that we are saved by grace alone and that we obey the commands of God because of this grace given to us. It provides us with the power to say "Yes" to what is godly and "No" to what is not. The regenerative work of the Holy Spirit gives us the power to resist sin and the devil when before regeneration we could not do so. Our obedience is an ongoing work of sanctification through the Holy Spirit, but we do not put our will aside and in doing so the Holy Spirit does the obedience for us. WE do it, with the power and conviction of the Holy Spirit. Our will is changed by our regeneration from hating good and loving evil to loving good and hating evil. Aa a believer we will increasingly be more and more Christ-like in all of our thoughts, words, and deeds. We will more and more do what the Holy Spirit leads us to do so that we do not sin by omission.

    S. Spencer, do you have any problem with what I have stated above? If so let me know. If not, then take your debate to someone else because I don't think we need to do so. I think we agree on the relationship of grace and obedience in the life of the believer, don't we?


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