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Newness of life by the Spirit.

Part 3.

Romans 7:15-25.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Philippians 3:7-11.

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have

suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the

righteousness which is of God by faith:

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

The law was given to Israel, but it wasn't to make them Holy.

It was given to show the world that it was necessary for a new birth in Christ Jesus.

God bless.

Newness of life by the Spirit.

Part 2.

Romans 7:7-9

What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11.

Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Romans 7:10-14.

And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

See Part 3

Newness of life, by the Spirit.

Part 1

Romans 7:1-5

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Wherefore, my brethren, YE ALSO ARE BECOME DEAD TO THE LAW BY THE BODY OF CHRIST; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For WHEN WE WERE in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to BRING FORTH FRUIT UNTO DEATH.

( The law shows us we have a fleshly nature that is fallen and incapable of bringing forth fruit unto God.)

Galatians 3:21-25.

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Romans 7:6.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

See Part 2.

Brother Dan, I am sorry you feel that way.

You wrote "Yes it is the 4th Commandment. Regarding the Sabbath scripturally, this is directly from God."

There are several scriptures here that do not lend support to your position regarding Christians having to maintain the Sabbath. Not to mention the entire book of Galatians weighing in on the law.

Colossians 2:16 (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

2 Corinthians 3:7-11 (AMP)

7 Now if the dispensation of death engraved in letters on stone [the ministration of the Law], was inaugurated with such glory and splendor that the Israelites were not able to look steadily at the face of Moses because of its brilliance, [a glory] that was to fade and pass away,

8 Why should not the dispensation of the Spirit [this spiritual ministry whose task it is to cause men to obtain and be governed by the Holy Spirit] be attended with much greater and more splendid glory?

9 For if the service that condemns [the ministration of doom] had glory, how infinitely more abounding in splendor and glory must be the service that makes righteous [the ministry that produces and fosters righteous living and right standing with God]!

10Indeed, in view of this fact, what once had splendor [the glory of the Law in the face of Moses] has come to have no splendor at all, because of the overwhelming glory that exceeds and excels it [the glory of the Gospel in the face of Jesus Christ].

11 For if that which was but passing and fading away came with splendor, how much more must that which remains and is permanent abide in glory and splendor!

Also, Romans 8:1-4 (KJV)

Amen Jcubria.

The important thing to note about dying in Christ is the Resurrection.

We have eternal life NOW!

And we walk in that newness of life, empowered by the Holyspirit.

Romans 6:3-8.

Paul says in Phillipines 3:10-11. That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

This is for believers ONLY.

God bless

Hi Carleton,

Evidently, we are handling the word of truth. 'Thy word is truth'. God fashioned all hearts alike, and tries their works. Ps.33:15. And it is faith with works that completes the transaction between God and man. "If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."( John 13:17)

Amen. Thank you Lord Jesus. And Lord please encourage, strengthen, protect and bless Pnovello.

Thank you Pnovello for your prayer.

Romans 13:8 (KJV) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath FULFILLED THE LAW.

Again I repeat!

Romans 13:8 (KJV) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath FULFILLED THE LAW.

Could this be what Paul who was moved and inspired by the indwelling Holy Spirit meant by loveth?

Acknowledge that love is a COMMAND (Ro 13:8-10).

Agree that you have the spiritual resources to love others as God loves you (Ro 5:5).

Understand that loving others is normal Christian behavior ( 1Jn 4:7-10).

Realize that love is the Spirit's work (Ga 5:22).

Be fervent in your love for others ( 1Pe 1:22; 4:8).

Godly love should be our highest purpose and greatest joy ( Mt 22:36-40). As you love others, you glorify Christ and make Him known to the world.

Yet, there is "Holy hatred?" If you love good, you hate evil. If you love unity, you hate discord. If you love God, you hate Satan. That's why Scripture says, "Hate evil, you who love the Lord." ( Ps 97:10)

Christ nailed the laws and sabbaths to the cross! We are done with circumcision and uncircumcision. As Christians, we need to circumcise our hearts, live by faith, and love others as the Lord loved us and gave himself for us.

William MacDonald wrote [ 1Corinthians 7:19

As far as the essence of Christianity is concerned, circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. What really counts is keeping the commandments of God. In other words, God is concerned with what is INWARD, not with what is OUTWARD. The relationships of life need not be violently forsaken by the entrance of Christianity. Rather, in the Christian faith, the believer is RAISED to a position where he is superior to all circumstances.] "Believer's Bible Commentary". Marion, IA: Laridian, Inc., 2021.

All this is one interpretation it doesn't mean there isn't room for others.

Hi Jordyn, Our Glory, is that we died in the Cross.

Amen GIGI, Thank you!

:)

Thank you Gigi.

God bless you.

Amen Ronald.

Ww both agree on that!

Christ is our Kinsman redeemer.

God bless

Yes, Carleton,

The gospel preached has the power to save those who have been lost in sin and unbelief.

Jesus ushered in His kingdom when He began His ministry and His kingdom is everlasting, available to all who are called according to His will and purpose. Yet we still await His second and last appearing when He will crush all enemies of those who oppose Him, then will He deliver all He has to the Father so that everything in heaven and on earth will come to the ordained outcome of victory and dominion without any enemies to oppress the saints anymore. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Can't wait to the time when God brings His kingdom to earth where He will dwell with man forever. ( Rev. 21:1-7)

Very nice Bennymkje! I have had many of the same thoughts!

Thank you!

Good morning and afternoon! This mornings meditation has been on the Kingdom of God. As this Kingdom reaches further into the world, souls are saved. There might be thunderings and lightenings, earthquakes, petulances, voices, trumpets, horns that conflict with the presence of God in or on the earth.

Hello Priday,

Tribulation is to be seen as spread over the day that God decreed for the Son.(Ps.2:7) In Matt.24 Jesus refers to the time period,"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"(24:21-22) But for the elect's sake " those days shall be shortened.". God called us before the worlds began and we all are elects-in-waiting.We are to make our election sure.

The Spirit makes us of 'sevens' to distribute salvation of judgment which are pendent to the word sent forth. (Is.55:11) It is in these connection we have Jerusalem where 'our Lord was crucified' equated spiritually with Egypt, Sodom. (Re.11:8) Seven seals, breaking of each is consequential. Jesus Christ is shown riding out on the white horse and we meet him in Re.19 as the Word of God. The second horseman on a red horse tells the origin of wars from the first skirmish to this climacteric battle, "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army./And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,"(Re.19:19-20) This great army is explained in detail in Ez.37." these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold,"(v.11) It is from ' the whole' house of Israel meaning saints redeemed from the earth or the elect. "Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live."(37:9) The outpouring of the Spirit tells we are looking at the church rather and the ministry of reconciliation.

The great tribulation in whichever form it may come is of no consequence for those who abide in Christ. They are set in heavenly places and their lives are hid in him. (Col.3:3-4)

Separating waters from above (1:7) is a similar action to what is mentioned in v.4. In order to understand this we need to see the two worlds which were framed by the word of God.(He.11:3) Waters from above indicate the invisible quality of God. Mercy of God is not seen but in the world made to appear it is seen as rain for instance. "for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."(Ge.2:8) Blessing always come from the greater to the lesser. God blessed man and there was nothing in the two worlds framed by God. Invisible God blessed man in his Son. "According to the good pleasure of his will' St Paul says in Ep.1:3-6). Waters below the firmament is grace while waters above is mercy. "Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ"

Another important point to remember is that God named heaven earth and seas."And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas."(1:8-10) Such naming establishes God as the Lord God, acknowledging his sovereignty over them. Heaven declares the glory accordingly. (Ps.19:1)

Light and darkness are same to God, the Father of lights. (Ps.139:12) God sent the Son who is the true Light. By separating light from darkness He has revealed his Will. Thus there are only two nations, where inheritance of children of light is determined by the Son. The other nation refers to the heathen, the children of darkness

Dan

Yes , JESUS said about His commandments: What are them?

Jcubria:

Did you die on the cross?

interesting...I know about the old English spellings, but I looked at another KJV and saw the word was spelled "thoroughly".

That's why I was questioning. I've seen other differences of that type (other verses than this one) between various KJV copies from different publishers. I was just curious.

Thank you for replying so quickly!

Have a great day, my brother.

Hello Pete,

In order to understand the creation account it is a simple matter of following the Spirit who organized it as the God document. 2 Ti.3:16 The Bible is God breathed. God breathing into man made him a living soul, So we shall do well to compare spiritual with spiritual. "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."(1 Co.2:13)

The first chapter of Genesis is the abstract of the worlds framed by the word of God. Jesus Christ as the visible image of the invisible God. It is thus we view faith as the only manner the invisible aspects of God we may cultivate. He.11:3 By faith God framed the worlds. Jesus Christ as the Word become flesh we receive by faith. In the fulness of time so St Paul refers to his Advent ("But when the fulness of the time was come"-Gal.4:4)

When the Spirit begins the Book of Genesis 'In the beginning' refers to a timescale which has nothing to do with earth time. It is the will of God so we either accept it totally or deny it. There was no human will or reason to interpret it arbitrarily. The Bible is inerrant. The focus is solely on the Son who was sent for a purpose. God blessed us with all spiritual blessings even before the worlds we created. (Ep.1:3) The Word was God. ( John 1:1) This verse also begins with 'In the beginning'. There is also 'end times'.

please remember me and my family in your prayers please remember my daughter Jessica and her family

David0921, we have already discussed at length, both correct Bible hermeneutics & the salvation of souls, both pre and post Cross. And as you've stated several times before, "we must compare Scripture with Scripture, etc, etc.".

Here we have Luke 16:19-31, a passage where there seems no other Scripture in the Bible that lends support/complements it, with such graphic detail. In your application of the principles you've suggested, what would you do with such a passage in Luke 16, when there is no other related teaching or other verses? The choices I see are: accept what Jesus spoke, as a one-off account of life after death pre-Cross; rewrite the verse to bring it into line with other verses that speak of the after-life; or, reject the passage altogether & read it as just another story/parable of Jesus that isn't intended to describe a real-life event.

To use your principle, that there 'must be other Scriptures relating to each other so as to form a belief/doctrine', I would reject that passage & never refer to it at all. I wouldn't even quote it as a parable, as it doesn't fulfil the definition of a parable. Therefore, not wanting to take such a drastic action, I'm forced to do something else with the passage; and that 'something' is to accept Jesus' Words as Truth & the events declared as real, since I won't accept that Jesus was intentionally deceptive when speaking about the fate of certain people for the purposes of a sharing a story/parable. But you're right about a 'divergence of doctrines by the churches'; just look at the LDS Church & 1 Corinthians 15:29: this is an example of a major departure from the Truth.

Jcubria

The scripture below is truth, and it convicts all those that believe as you.

1 John 2: "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

Revelation 22:14"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Jesus spoke to apostle John in this verse above in Revelation 22:14 approximately 60 years after His death on the cross, and about 18 years after apostle Pauls death. Jesus knew what Paul preached, and he preached the same gospel as Christ! Paul did not cancel any of God's commandments, he and all of the apostles followed them during their lives. Do you really believe you are favored over and above Christ and His apostles, they followed the Commandments but now you and others today feel you don't have to. Really.

Lastly, I do not believe we can continue this discussion as your beliefs conflict with the scripture, and your popular modern day take on salvation 2Tim 4:3 is only deceiving to those that are not living in God's Spirit. 1 John 3:24 God's Salvation is not a buffet to pick and choose what scripture that you believe, and what scripture you will ignore!

I pray that God's Spirit will eventually convict you, and some others here, to actually pick up your cross and follow Christ, which will result in obedience, and a desire to follow Gods Commandments, and turn away from this sinful and deceived world. Matt 16:24

Dan

Yes , JESUS said about His commandments: What are them?

How to reconcile these four passages in light of the scriptures you have presented? 1 Corinthians 7:19 , Rev 12:17 , Rev 14:12 , Rev 22:14?... either the bible is full of contradictions or there is misunderstanding of biblical text. btw, Constantine passed a Sunday law in 321 A.D.

There certainly is a literal "hell", and the punishment will be eternal. When you are eventually burned up and cease to exist there will be no coming back. Mal 4:1,3. How else will there be "degrees" of punishment? Matthew 10:15, Matthew 11:22. It says in Ezekiel, the soul that sins shall die.

Chris,

If I may quote you:

"For me, even if there's no other Scripture that speaks of such an environment existing (for then the writer must have either gone there himself or had an explicit instruction from God to proclaim it), then even that one verse that speaks of it must at least cause the reader to consider the Truth & reality of it."

One basic and fundamental characteristic of the Bible, of which I have become convinced, is this:

God does not build our understanding of a doctrine from a single passage or two. God builds our understanding of any Truth in many ways and from many different vantage points throughout the Bible; but always coalescing on the same Truth. And when we have come to Truth, we will find harmony and conformation of that Truth throughout the entire Bible in many many passages.

Why? Because the Bible has ONLY ONE AUTHOR, God Himself. And we MUST compare Scripture with Scripture, using the principles that God Himself has laid down in His Word.

If we fail to do this and do not allow the Bible, the Entire Bible, to be its own interpreter and it's own dictionary and our ultimate authority, we can pretty much go off in any direction that suites our fancy and find a verse or two here or there to support our belief.

Unfortunately, the Churches and many Bible Teachers throughout the Church Age have done exactly that. Which is the primary reason that we see so great divergence in fundamental doctrines held by churches and individuals in our day.

Super nice third paragraph Brother Chris!

Amen.

Hi Nstew. In Genesis 1:26,27, these words, "Let us make man in our (his) image, after our likeness", firstly tells us that God made us in a completely different way that he had made the animals ( Genesis 1:20-25). In other words, it was not only our different appearances, but that humans would receive a spirit from God, that could enable man to be in tune with his Maker, align with His Will in all things, & converse with Him by word and spirit.

Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul", and Proverbs 20:27, "The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly." These verses tells us that when God breathed the breath of life into man to give him life, that man also received a spirit from Him that would always remain in him as the Lamp of God, giving him a direct connection to his Maker & keeping him open & accessible to the LORD's Gaze.

To be made in God's Image, also involves representing His Likeness in the World; not in appearance, for God is Spirit, but by His Attributes. And these could include our capacity to rule, enjoy deep meaningful relationships with others, exercise the ability to reason, intelligence, speech, moral consciousness, creativity, rationality, & choice (you might think of others as well). All these are within the Character of God & which He has also given to mankind alone so that we might always enjoy fellowship with God & with others in His Creation.

But of course, the bad news is that when sin entered into man, all those Godly traits have been severely marred & we now reflect a very very poor Image of the Glorious Holy God. Man is now sin-affected & sin-consumed, falling way short of the Glory of God. But Jesus stepped in, bringing us redemption to the Father, giving us His Spirit, & causing that we now live a new life by His Power that will even conform those traits to His original design.