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Ok, preacher

Let take a look at what you stated

Every 'deception' and 'truth' can be confirmed with the 'Word of God' for the 'Word is God ' ( John 1:1). It is the only Book in the world that is able to do that.

The Word of God is not a Book, the Bible, it's the words of God & a true testimony of Him, but not God the Word.

Was the Bible in the beginning with God or was God the Word ? Is the Bible able to discern the intend & thoughts of your heart? or God the Word, who is a sharp two edged sword piercing even to the dividing of soul & spirit. Is the Bible able to ride a white horse ? or the Word of God, Rev 19:11-16

It was the Word of God who the Lord possess in the beginning of His ways, Proverbs 8:22-36

Christ the Word, the power & the Wisdom of God who was with God in the beginning.

You been corrected in this seven mountain theory of yours,

Friend, it appears that He, the living Word of God has found you out & your faith is flawed, for your own words are a witness against you, deceived would be a appropriated word for this situation you now find yourself in.

Unfortunately in your carnal natural state your understanding has been blinded to this, but there is repentance if you turn from darkness, from the power of Satan to God, the Light that been reveal to you. Ephesians 5:18

& truly may God grant you this repentance, though it maybe just a sin of ignorance.

A friend In love & truth

my sister says if a person has been saved, you don't have to be baptized and because you have been saved nothing can stop you from going to heaven. I have been saved, but not baptized, but I also believe that you still need to do what is right to get to heaven. Don't we still need to follow the 10 commandments? I get so confused listening to different people preach, how do you know which one is right.

Hi Carleton

yes, God reaches out to us while we're yet in Babylon, We must become obedient, pick up the cross & follow Christ out of her as commanded. lests we become partaker of her sins & plagues. Rev 18:4

2 Cor 6:14-18

A friend to the Truth

Hi Preacher of Truth

You are right,what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD.The Word is GOD, self-executable.The Word of GOD is exclusivelly referring to the 7 hills where is sat a certain Whore which rides upon a Beast full of names of blasphemy having seven heads and ten horns, as says the Word of GOD-Rev.13:1-9

By the way,the roots of the Beast is Babylon described in verse 3: "the Beast which I saw was like unto a leopard,and his feet were as the feet of a bear,and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(Babylon),decribed in Daniel 7:3-6

By exclusion,there is not any Beast full of names of blasphemy having seven heads and ten horns in"Jerusalem being one of them as well as Babylon,Moscow,Mecca,Lisbon,Tehra,Ammon and 19U.S.cities also",so what GiGi said in his reply has nothing to do with the Scriptures as he thinks erroneously from a human perspective

Scripture is really referring to the seven hills of the Antichrist's cradle,a devilish religious system developed by Satan within the Roman Empire,after he had corrupted the Church of Rome that was established by the Apostles Paul and even Peter,both were killed by persecution,thus was developed a satanic Antichrist's movement through the corrupt church of Rome,the ancient Catholic Church,later Roman Catholic Church.Notice that the book of Revelation describes 7 churches,and the church of Rome would be the eighth,it was left out because the APOSTATE church of Rome already had been reproved by JESUS

The Church of Rome still existent developed a systematic opposition against to the true Churches of the Lord that preached the Gospel of God's Kingdom,preached firstly by the Lord JESUS Christ,and after by the Apostles and disciples of the Lord.By the way,The Gosple of GOD's Kingdom is still preached today

1John2:18-19

19 They went out from us, because they were not of us;for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not of us

I've found 1 actual apostle. Gino Jennings all other churches I cannot speak any good about them...

It is clearly written in the 'Word of God' that 'The Mystery Babylon' sat on 'mountains' not 'hills', which you referred to, through which this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9).

Hi Chris

Thank you for your reply.There are two interesting points. See that the point of your speaking/speech, about death&the grave,it is about the letters of a translation and specific biblical versions. Also you say that"the 'root' is the sin nature passed onto each one of us,which we can't avoid..."

Let's see, we are speaking of the Word of GOD,the Word is GOD, GOD is Spirit,the Spirit gives life,so He is my focus,for the letter kills,I would say"letters" are the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,GOD x DEVIL,GOD recommended you shall not eat of "letters",for in the day that you eat thereof you shalt surely die.Why?The letter of the Bible is a stumblingblok, understand? Only and only the Spirit gives life, is Truth

See, There is a way which seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going(or understands his steps)Prov.14:12&15.A wholesome tongue is a TREE OF LIFE:but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit(it causes destruction by spirit)-Prov.15:4.

The other point: See, The"root" is not the sin.Sin entered the world by the Devil's tongue,sin is an effect of the sound of words sounded by the lying tongue,even in the interpretation of the Word of GOD,in fact this is the greatest sin,in fact the source of sin is the tongue-Gen.3:1.

Thus GOD says by His Word:Deut.30:19-20KJV

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you,that I have set before you LIFE and DEATH,blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE,that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That you may love the Lord thy GOD,and that you may obey His voice,and that you may cleave unto Him:for He is thy life,and the length of thy days:...

You said:"the tongue can only do when the root of evil in the human heart begins to manifest itself".You forget that the manifestations are the effect of the evil things the men saw and heard.That which comes out of the MOUTH,this defiles a man-Matt.15:11.

Hi Frankie, Just meditating a little. Babylon is clearly a hostile environment for the believer and yet God draws men to Christ on the Cross even this day, so we harden not our hearts to this purpose while yet dwelling in Babylon.

Thanks brother Jesse for all the information provided. May God bless you for the effort and work done to collect all that info and copy them for us in this site. GBU

Hello Chris

I have done a research and found out that you quoted 1 Cor 15:55 from the critical edition of the NT, not from the Received Text.

Good Morning Preacher of Truth

Actually there are other cities built on or between 7 hills, Jerusalem being one of them as well as Babylon, Moscow, Mecca, Lisbon, Tehra, Ammon and 19 U.S. cities also.

Every 'deception' and 'truth' can be confirmed with the 'Word of God' for the 'Word is God ' ( John 1:1). It is the only Book in the world that is able to do that. The unfortunate part is that mankind in its natural state is not able to understand it ( Cor. 2:14). For that reason every person needs to repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:16-18).

There is only one City in the world that is built on seven mountains ( Rev. 17:9) and that is Rome: the Capitoline, the Quirinal, the Viminal, the Esquiline, the Caeline and the Aventine.

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In San Francisco an organization just started call City team I think it's a church organization they're feeding people everyday giving them some hope they're doing something it's better than nothing I'm sure there's organizations like this all over the country just people just don't know about it please pray for all of them

Dear Friends

Babylon the Great Desribed is present day Christinity,

it doesn't take away one sins, meaning one continue in it for life, turning the Grace of God into lasciviousness

it doesn't comform one to the image of His Son, the Divine Nature, having escape the corruption of this world through lust

& it leaves one, one with the world, in the lust of the flesh, eyes & the pride of life of this world.

it feed one from the knowledge of the tree of good and evil, the wisdom that from below, for instance Jesse teaching & not from the Fountain of the Spirit that comes from the Tree of Life, the Lord God from heaven, who is the Life, Spirit & Substance of all things

Jeremiah 50:11-16

Revelation 18:4-8

in love & truth

Once we die our spirit is no longer confined to time as we understand it. God is outside of timeonce our earthly body dies, our consciousness is immediately outside of time with the Lord. We aren't waiting for our children to grow old and come be with us, those of our loved ones who go on living after we die will be with us at that instant. It's a hard concept to comprehend because we are so aware of "time" in this lifewe obsess over it, but the moment we leave this mortal plane and enter eternity, "time" will no longer exist as we perceive it now. Our bodies sleeping in the graves is from the point of view of those who are still living on this side of eternity. That's the way I understand it

Hello Jema, and thank you.

I see these "gaps", as you call them, as well. I also see statements made and then verses quoted that often do not relate to what is being stated. And I rarely respond to these types of posts.

I do try to quote verses to support what I'm stating. In fact, I like to actually include the words of the verses themselves rather than merely the reference, because our focus should be on God's Words not our words. I don't want anyone to trust what I say. I want us to trust what God says.

Also we must recognize that if we have come to any truth from the Bible it is only because of God's Mercy. It is God that must open our Spiritual ears and give us ears to hear, from the Scripture, in His time in accordance with His Will. We are not in control of this; God is. We must wait upon God. By nature we do not like that idea; we want to be in control. And this often leads to frustration. But we must wait upon God.

May God lead us into truth as we search His Word.

Part 20

Therefore all people wait humbly for the candle of the Lord, that therewith ye may search out Babylon, and may come to see what of her treasures ye have gathered; that ye may throw them away speedily, and give up your ships and vessels (wherewith ye have trafficked for these kinds of wares) to the fire of the Lord's jealousy; that ye may receive the durable riches; that ye may hear the joyful sound of the everlasting gospel, and know the true Christ which it alone reveals; and come to fear and worship and glorify the true God; and not go down into the pit or lake with the dragon, the beast, the whore, and false prophet, which will be the portion of the most zealous false worshippers. And when your eyes come once to be opened in the true light, ye will bless the Lord for giving you these warnings, and not be so angry at us (who have paid dear for them) for our willingness, if it be possible, to save you some of the charges they have cost us: however, at least to preserve your souls from that ruin and dreadful destruction which all the paths of Babylon lead to.

Part 19

But now Sion is redeeming, the true woman bringing back again out of the wilderness, she brings back the true, everlasting gospel with her; and there is an angel chosen in the power of the Lord (even in the same power and spirit that first preached it) to preach it again to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people. And the Lord hath so ordered it, that he will have the voice of this angel as despicable to the wise in religion, to the zealous in devotion, of all sorts in this backsliding age, as the former preaching was to the wise and devout both among the Jews and Greeks. So that whosoever is wise in religion according to the flesh; whosoever is wise in expectation and waitings for the kingdom; whosoever is wise in reasoning about it, and can tell the foregoing signs of it, &c., shall not know the voice: but he that can shut his eyes by the leadings of the pure life, and enter into the hidden womb of wisdom, where the light of life is sown, he shall be new formed, and come forth a child out of the womb of wisdom, with the new eye, the new ear, the new heart, the new understanding and senses; and keeping in the childish simplicity, out of the wisdom, zeal, and devotion which deceived him before, he shall receive and enter into the everlasting kingdom.

Part 18

Now all this time, while Babylon stands, while antichrist sits in the temple, while Satan reigns over all the antichristian world, the true and living God hath not been known, feared, nor glorified; but men's knowledge hath been of a false god they have set up, and him they have feared, and given the glory to, in their worship. Nay, the gospel hath not been preached; the true gospel, the everlasting gospel, the gospel wherein is the light and power of eternal life, to turn men from all antichristian forms of knowledge and worship, to the true life and power: but when Babylon falls, and Mount Sion begins to appear again, then the gospel is to be preached again, even by an angel, who receiveth it from God himself, Rev. 14:6-7. for man could never recover it again: it requires a new inspiration. "The law is to go forth out of Sion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem." And this gospel is to be preached "to every nation, kindred, and tongue, and people," ver. 6. Mark: there was not one nation, not one kindred, not one tongue, not one people that kept the everlasting gospel; but it was laid up in Sion; it was carried with the church into the wilderness, and there it hath been hid all the time of the apostasy, since the days of the apostles

Part 17

The dragon is the devil; the beast is that spirit of the earth which he raiseth up, and feeds in men with a form and appearance of truth; to which he gives his power, his seat, and his authority: and every man hath a measure of this according to his state and condition, place and service in Babylon. And now what a man doeth here in religion, be he ever so devout and zealous, and frequent in ordinances and duties, is the worship of this spirit, and of the dragon who sits and rules in this spirit. I am run into hard expressions, very hard, because the nature of these things is hid from men's eyes, and they are in the mist of antichrist's raising, in the smoke which comes from the pit, where there is no opening of the true eye, and no true sight of things; but truly if ever you espy the dragon, the beast, antichrist, the whore, the false prophet, ye must look at home, and read within; and there having found the thing, and seen it in the true light, ye will be able to see it certainly abroad also. Now do not go about to distinguish these things in the notion of the understanding; but come to feel the life, to unite with the life, and the eye will open which can see into the nature of things, and will behold all in its season; for that eye which is so eager to see, shall never see these things; but that eye alone which waits in stillness and quietness on the pleasure and good-will of the opener.

Part 16

And as antichrist got up thus, so antichrist will go out thus. He will raise up this power, and what lying signs, wonders, and miracles he can, to defend himself with, now the spirit of the Lord is risen up to dispossess him, and cast him out of the house which he hath long lodged in. And he that can be cozened with power, with signs, with lying wonders, (which are lying because they come from the spirit of deceit, with an intent to deceive, though they may come to pass, and appear true to man's eye. Deut. 13:1-3) or with any of the deceivableness of unrighteousness, shall never come out of Babylon; but only be translated into some of the more refined chambers of it, and fed with some more fresh likenesses of truth, where he shall still remain an inhabitant and worshipper in some image, perhaps of universal love, life, and liberty, and yet be out of the life, out of the love, out of the liberty of the truth, which stands in the power and presence of the spirit of God, and not in the most refined image or likeness.

"All the world wondered after the beast, and they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast, and they worshipped the beast." Rev. 13:3-4.

Part 15

Now mark this: antichrist's coming, when first perceived, was very mighty, exceeding strong. 2 Thes. 2:9-10. "Whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness," &c. Weigh the thing well. Satan used all his art, and all his strength, to conceive and bring forth this mystery of iniquity, so like the mystery of godliness, that it might pass for current in the world, and he rule as God in it. With all power, &c., no power of deceit wanting; he did not spare for signs, and lying wonders; yea, he gave power to the beast to do wonders and miracles, even to make fire come down from heaven on the earth, in the sight of men (which was the sign and wonder whereby the God of Israel was distinguished from Baal; power to work this very sign Satan gives to the beast, to confirm the godhead of the dragon and antichrist with). Rev. 13:13-14. These are the things men look for; see but great power, signs, miracles, they are satisfied. The whole world stands ready to be deceived with this. Yea, and if the eye be not opened in persons, which can distinguish of power, they must needs be deceived. Signs, wonders, and miracles had their place in the first covenant, and were to that part to which the first covenant was; not to them that believe, but to them that believe not. Now after the full demonstration of the truth by signs and miracles, the power of Satan riseth up; and by lying signs, wonders, and miracles overturneth the truth. Now the unbelieving part in man expects and calls for signs and miracles, and says they will determine the controversy, and settle the state of the church again; but that part is not to prescribe God his way; yea, he will steal as a thief upon thee, whose eye is abroad, and looketh for demonstrations without.

Part 14

In the temples of this city (for in all the streets thereof, yea, in every house, there are temples) antichrist sits as god, and is worshipped. 2 Thes. 2:4. "He, as God, sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." He hath clothed himself like God, he appears like God (like the holy, pure spirit of life and power), he appears in the temple of God, he sits there, he rules there, he gives forth laws and ordinances of worship and devotion. Yea, if any one will question his godhead, or his right to do thus, he will prove it, he will make it manifest in the very temple of God, that he is God: "He, as God, sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." He hath exalted himself into the throne, above all that is called God; he hath got into the temple, he sitteth there as God, and there he maketh it manifest to all his worshippers that he is God; insomuch as, among all the inhabitants of Babylon, he is acknowledged and worshipped, and the true spirit of life is hid from their eyes, and denied and crucified. He hath showed himself that he is God; he gives demonstrations of his godhead, which that eye which is out of the life cannot but acknowledge and take to be true. There is none can see and acknowledge the true God, the true Christ, but those that have the true eye, the true anointing ("no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the holy spirit," 1 Cor. 12:3); and yet how many can speak great words of God, and of Christ, who know not what belongs to the anointing? Alas! alas! all nations and sorts of professors, out of the life, are cozened with the devil's demonstrations, with antichrist's demonstrations, with the whore's demonstrations, with the false prophet's demonstrations, which are undeniable to that wisdom wherein they stand, and to that eye wherewith they look to see.

Part 13

And this city is a great city, a city spread over all the earth. "She made all nations drink of the wine of the cup of her fornication." Rev. 14:8. The woman, which is this city ( Rev. 17:18), "sat upon peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." Rev. 17:15. She sat upon them as queen, as princess, guiding them in their knowledge and worship of the king of Babylon. And those that once hated her, and made war with her, and burnt her flesh with fire, she cozened them with a new paint, got them into her new bed of fornication, and made them worship the king of Babylon again, Rev. 17:12-13. and ver. 16-17. and there they lay committing whoredom with her, till the time of her last burning and utter desolation; but then they forsook her, for fear of her torment, when they saw the smoke of her burning. Rev. 18:9-10.

Part 12

And it is a spiritual city, a mystical city, a city built by the working of the mystery of iniquity, 2 Thes. 2:7. whereupon she is called mystery. Rev. 17:5. It is not a city of plain wickedness, but a city of sin hid; of sin keeping its life under a covering, under a form of godliness; of sin reigning in the heart under zeal, under devotion, under praying, believing, worshipping, hoping, waiting, &c. Where sin lies hid within under these, there is Babylon; there is the mystery of witchcraft; there is the painted throne of Satan; there is spiritual Egypt and Sodom, where the Lord of life is daily crucified. This is the city, the mystical city, the spiritual city. Rev. 11:8. And here is building up and throwing down continually. She builds; the spirit of the Lord confounds, then down goes her building; then up with another, then down again. This is her course without end, when the spirit of the Lord disturbs her; for otherwise she can settle in any form of knowledge or worship; though in her ordinary course she hath also many changes and turnings; one while this or that being a truth, another while not; one while this or that being the sense or meaning of such a scripture, another while not. Babylon is hardly ever without this kind of building up, and throwing down.

Part 11

Now, because ye are more able to receive things from scripture expressions, than from the nature of the thing itself, spoken as it is felt in the heart (concerning which much more might be said, were ye able to bear it), consider a few scriptures.

Babylon is called a great city, Rev. 16:19. and a great and mighty city. chap. 18:10. Oh, the power of deceit in that city, to bewitch from the life! Oh, the multitude of lying wonders that are there shown in the heart, to make a man believe that he is in the life! to persuade men that the king thereof is the king of Sion! and that the laws, and ordinances of worship there, are the laws and ordinances of Sion! that the prayer there, is the prayer of the true child! that the believing there, is the true faith! the love there, the true love! the hope there, the true hope, &c. Some parts of Babylon, some likenesses of truth there, are so taking, that none but the elect, by the opening of the eternal eye, can espy the deceit.

Part 10 Babylon the Great descibed

7. The end of all this, of Satan's building up this city, this great city (thus accurately in the power of deceit, and in the very likeness of Sion) was, and is, that it might be taken for Sion, and be worshipped there as God, and that without jealousy or suspicion. And he hath attained his end; his city hath deceived and doth deceive, it passeth current for Sion among all the inhabitants of Babylon; almost every sort of people cry it up for Sion, in one appearance or other, though all do not cry up the same appearance; but their own image, way, and worship, every one extols; their own image of the truth, for the truth; their own way of worship, for the way; their own church and family, for the church and family of God. And worshipping here, they worship him, and not the Lord: for the Lord cannot be worshipped in any part of Babylon; but the king of Babylon is worshipped in Babylon, and the king of Sion alone in Sion. Ah! how deeply do men deceive their souls! they think they believe in God, they think they pray to God, and hope to be owned at length by God, and yet are so far from coming out of mystery Babylon, that it was never yet so much as discovered to them; but they have either walked in the way of religion and worship they were brought up in, in the apostasy, or perhaps have removed out of one or two of the broad streets of it, and so thereby think they have left Babylon; whenas the same spirit hath set down in another street of the same city, building up another house by the direction of the king thereof, and there worshipping the same spirit as they did before; but their souls never knew the fire in Sion, and the furnace in Jerusalem; by which the very inwards of their spirits must be cleansed, before the pure eye of life be opened which can see Sion.

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Revelation 19:1

all to Him

What does it mean when Eve became the "mother of all living" ( Genesis 3:20)?

Romans Ch 6 V 23 , Isaiah Ch 26 .