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Jesus said" Behold I make all things new".
Again He says "Old things are passed away and all things are new"!
Thinking on these things, the believer will look back if for a moment, while living in the moment.
This life tho constantly changing, the heart of the disciple is focused on the things that do not change.
The love of Christ and His words.
"Tho heaven and earth pass away ,my word shall remain forever!"
So, yes we can.
We dye daily unto Him, who's promise will not fail, even unto eternal life!
Tho we are dying everyday, the life of a Christian is renewed day by day!
The revelation that Christ word is alive and renewing us everyday, is the revelation of the power of God, who is always working in and through us! Thanks be to God!
Repent and be Baptized
What exactly is Jesus saying? Luke 12; 51 Jesus said He came to cause division!
If we live according to the Spirit of God ,it is no longer us but Him that is in us. Also, that offences will come,that we who stand for the truth shall be brought before those who deny Him. Remember what He said, when that day comes, worry not about what to say , that the Holy Spirit will give you the words!
Are we entering into the tribulation? I think not, for we have not resisted unto the shedding of blood!
Never before, even so now, we should be in the paraclete, the comforter. What did Jesus say over and over again? Fear not, for I am with you until the end of time!
The media is satan's tool, otherwise He has no power other than that given to Him by God! We are ambassadors for Christ, and should remember we have power in and through His promises! Repent and be Baptized
Please also pray for me, I have been so idle lately and haven't been spending my time in the ways that I should. May I find things to do in my spare time that honor and glorify the Lord.
Thank you brothers and sisters,
Wishing you all a good night
And the desire of my heart is to glorify God in my life.
I am going to overlook most of what you posted her concerning me.
But I do want to point out that you here admit that you think Paul was a brilliant man. That is what I said in my original response to the lead of this thread. And when I said it, you began debating me. We both agree that our own abilities mean nothing if not brought under the authority and work of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, I conclude that this whole debate is needless. You did not need to go down this road with me. I don't know why you did. But as it is, I am done with this discussion with you. I will consider what you have said of me. I am certainly open for criticism, but I was not in any way was speaking from a carnal position nor praising man rather than God.
By the Spirit of truth that worked in him mighty.
Colossians 1:25-29.
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
God bless you and Good night.
I remember having this debate in the past.
You are twisting my words here.
And changing the narrative.
I didn't say Paul became intellectual when he received the Holyspirit.
I believe Paul was a brilliant man before he became a Christian.
I'm saying everything counted as worthy to him before, he now counts it as dung.
That's what he said!
And he didn't figure anything out of the things of God by his worldly, wisdom.
In fact his worldly wisdom thought that the preaching of the cross was foolishness to the point where he persecuted Christians.
This is why we glorify God because he can take murderers like Paul and King David and regenerate them to be a soldier for him.
I consider myself to be a very smart man but that didn't but sickness did.
When I was made weak, I became strong!
Before then I got in the way of myself.
That goes for all of us!
You have nothing to offer God but sacrifice.
You can be brilliant he can use you.
But he don't have to make you brilliant to do so.
God can get more Glory out of a rock than he can a rocket scientist.
God did not prepare Saul with the wisdom of the world that knew not God!!
Dear Gigi You are praising the vessel. This is a very carnal approach to scripture.
This type of thinking, to glorify Man of any sort is not of the Spirit.
It's a proud look.
Some things in scripture is written plainly.
I'm Sorry but I only can be truthful to you. I'm not partial or Passive but this is a reflection of most your discussions.
You have a exterior understanding but no debt.
I am not trying to insult you but you need to ask God to move you out of the way of yourself!
As Christians we can't claim we love one another and be Passive and partial.
And let's not lie to one another when we know constructive criticism may serve them well.
God bless you Gigi.
Don't be scared to seek to receive more of Him.
In this chapter the apostle directs them about the use of their spiritual gifts, preferring those that are best and fitted to do the greatest good. I. He begins with advising them of all spiritual gifts to prefer prophesying, and shows that this is much better than speaking with tongues, ver 1-5. II. He goes on to show them how unprofitable the speaking of foreign languages is, and useless to the church; it is like piping in one tone, like sounding a trumpet without any certain note, like talking gibberish; whereas gifts should be used for the good of the church, ver 6-14. III. He advises that worship should be celebrated so that the most ignorant might understand, and join in prayer and praise, and presses the advice by his own example, ver 15-20. IV. He informs them that tongues were a sign for unbelievers rather than those that believe; and represents the advantage of prophecy above speaking with tongues, from the different suggestions they would give to the mind of an unbeliever coming into their assemblies, ver 21-25.
That in itself would be enough to convert anyone that Jesus is the Son of God.
Imagine, even so today the prominent Jews reject Christ, they say He made Himself equal unto God. What is it the Jew fears in the knowledge of Christ! What is it they deny even today? Perhaps the truth is what they hate! The truth that their sins are revealed, that they cannot go about doing what they will and when they will! Not only the Jew but the Gentile.
Have you experienced the hate that flows toward a believer , even within the church today! A true Christian will be subject even as Paul was! I posted on the church's facebook recently, and was brought before an elder because of where I made my post! Even tho it was clearly from the holy Spirit, it offended some, or maybe just Him.
Even as Paul was put in jail, they wanted Him silenced. You shall find this to be the truth as more and more are being deceived everyday.
There is envy, backbiting, even hate in a congregation that is not centered in the Gospel! Hold fast therefore unto the things we have been taught. Not giving into fables, but glorifying your God in heaven!
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Genesis 3:15 KJV
The LORD God spoke this to the serpent with Adam and Eve able to hear and believe before they were removed from the Garden.
It sound like you are in the midst of a change in your life and need direction from the Lord in choosing the best thing. I can pray for you again right now.
Dear Heavenly Father, we always come to You in prayer int he name of Jesus, because He told us to do so and said You will answer! Texsis and I are asking that You guide her in this possible move. Raise up her spirits to be feeling more gladdened on heart. It probably best for us to not make important decisions when we are feeling down, so Texsis does need you to work in her right now to be uplifted and sober minded concerning this possibility. We know that You are with us always wherever we may be living or wherever we go. So, asking that You give Texsis clear direction here. She is concerned about the temptation to return to her former life she lived while in Utah. Keep her from ever going back to that way of living, Father. Strengthen her to repel all temptations towards falling into a sin-filled lifestyle. Sanctify her today and empower her to resist whet ever tempted her before. We know how much You love us and desire for us to be holy and godly in our life. So, guide Texsis to the situation that will be most helpful to her to live this way for You. Amen.
As one reads the epistles of Paul it is very apparent that he is one God had gifted in communicating in speech and writing. He did not all of a sudden become literate and effective in these things upon conversion. He says elsewhere where he was trained by Gamaliel, so he could read and write easily.
Steven, my concern here is that you seem to be are denigrating the value of being intelligent in your replies to me. I do agree that we cannot be puffed up in our own knowledge or prideful of our talents. I was not doing that as you imply. On the flip side, we cannot be anti-intellectual in our approach to spiritual things either. Both intellectualism and anti-intellectualism are detrimental to any believer. We are to be balanced in this area and humble enough to know that we need to abide by the counsel of the Holy Spirit in all matters in our lives. But we are not to speak badly about talents God has given us. They are gifts and blessings and we should view them as such, knowing that these, along with all aspects of our persons and abilities are to be submitted to the workings of the Holy Spirit.
I don't think we really have anything to continue discussing here. I stand by what I have written and it is fine if you stand by what you have written. I think the issue is in how you interpret what I have written due to your predisposition about the topic of intellectual gifts. You see them as a negative. I see them as a positive as long as one uses them in obedience to God's will and direction.
We can leave this be for now.
Quoting Jema.
The thing that puzzles me is : 'promised before the world began' , where did Paul get this specific information from at that time ? I guess Paul was wise for his time , we know because we have the full Bible , old and new and we can discern the big picture . We can recognise that it was God's perpose all along , to creat a people who would love Him and want to be with Him , where and how did Paul find this out ?
The only way this could be revealed to Paul is by divine intervention by the words of Christ assisted by the Holyspirit.
Paul was sharing what was revealed to him as did the other Disciples and Apostles.
The Holyspirit is our strength today, He assist our teaching and reveals truth to the blood tipped ear.
The Ministry of the Holyspirit and our total dependency on him is paramount to the Christian fate.
You see that also played out in
1 Corinthians 3:1-23.
You said you disagree with me about his natural abilities. He was a very intelligent man prior to his conversion with many skills and abilities that God used.
And you said you don't think Paul is meaning in the verses I quoted that he was illiterate, nor unskilled with language or reason prior to conversion.
Re examine my post, I didn't say either of those things.
Here's all I said; Paul in his "Natural mind/ Wisdom persecuted Christians and did not understand the things of God.
Referring to this verse.
1 Timothy 1:13-14.
And IGNORANTLY IN UNBELIEF!! That wasn't a blessing.
Everything else I posted that you disagree with was scripture I copied pasted and posted.
The emphasis is that NO! God doesn't need anything intellectual from anyone and nor does he seek out those things.
The reason being is that we will do exactly what you are displaying now. Glory man and not God.
Listen to Paul again here in
1 Corinthians 2:1-4.
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
FOR I DETERMINED NOT TO KNOW ANY THING AMONG YOU! save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
AND MY SPEECH AND MY PREACHING WAS NOT WITH ENTICING WORDS OF MAN'S WISDOM, BUT IN DEMONSTRATION OF THE SPIRIT AND OF POWER:
Paul says he came to them as someone Knowing nothing!
This section of scripture Parallels with the passage you disagree with in 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.
When we are born again we start out as babes in Christ and we feed on the sincere milk of the word whereby we grow, as Peter mentioned in his epistle.
The Holyspirit is the most neglected member of the Godhead amongst the Church,
That's why there is so much ignorance in the word of God.
There's many verses that disagree with you
Philippians 3:4-8.
So I disagree with your take that God blessed and prepared Paul with intellect to prepare him for ministry.
GB.
Maybe tongues ceased existing in the church? Joel's prophesy that was recalled by Peter on Pentecost covers a time period from that time all the way to "19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:" So it seems that they will keep existing to the very end.
Was it for the Jews? No, the epistle to the church of Corinth was for the gentiles.
What about 1 Cor 13:8? Let's read the whole passage from 8 to 13, "8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.13And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." So it is clear that tongues will stop existing when "the perfect comes", that is when we enter Heaven.
Is it a matter of salvation? No it is not, as GiGi put it right "As for being saved, this is not based on speaking in tongues, but on faith in Jesus. Any and all who place their faith and trust in Him to save us are saved by his grace freely bestowed upon us."
So what "do I do now?" Do you want my advice? When kneeling down to pray why don't you keep asking God for His Spirit and the sign of it, speaking in tongues? In science they say that a theory can not be a Law unless it is proved experimentally. GBU
Let's put some things in order about tongues.
What are tongues? They are unknown languages spoken by a believer.
Do they understand what they say? No, they don't unless they have a revelation from God. 1 Cor 14:13. "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.".
Is it necessary to speak in tongues? Yes it is. Why? 1 Cor 14:4, "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.".
What does apostle Paul say about us speaking in tongues? 1 Cor 14:5, "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying." Paul also speaks about prophesying.
Was Paul speaking in tongues? Yes, he did, 1 Cor 14:18, "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:".
So what is this thing speaking in tongues? On Pentecost the sign that the apostles received the Spirit was speaking in tongues. Similarly in the Cornelious' incident. Similarly in the incident with Paul and the disciples in Ephesus. So it a sign that a believer has received the Spirit of God. But it is also a spiritual gift, 1 Cor 12:10, "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:" From that verse it also shown as before that a believer does not understand what they say unless the have the gift of interpreting. The specific gift is "kinds of tongues", that is many different tongues.
Maybe as many say, love is enough (ch. 13) so those tongues are not needed anymore? 1 Cor 14:1, "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy."
As far as the apocrypha goes, I do not believe it is equally inspired as scripture. Titus 1:2 says that God cannot lie. There are parts of the apocrypha that go against what the canonical KJV says which in turn make that part of the apocrypha false. In the translating of the KJV, the translators had many copies of the same scripture that said the same thing. Any that said something different were looked at and decided upon. If 9 out of 10 said one thing, they would ignore the 1. It makes sense as that would have been a misprinted or wrongly copied scroll of scripture. They were objective as possible as they translated. The apocrypha were all translated the same way, they were separate books so they did not compare them to the other books during translation. Later, they decided that they would not be accepted as they contradicted the other scriptures. If God cannot lie, then His word cannot lie. 2 Peter 1:21 tells us that God gave the writers what to write. meaning it was inspired. So since those books contradicted the others, they are clearly not of God.
1 Corinthians 14:26-28 is just saying if you are speaking in a tongue/another language you need an interpreter. Tongues were known languages. You see, tongues is used to say that they are speaking in a language they weren't taught. Proof of this is in Genesis 10:5 where the world was split because of the building of the tower of Babel, and God gave them each a different language or tongue.
Now the New Testament understanding of tongues is that you are filled with the spirit and in turn you can speak in tongues of other languages. That was completely reserved for the first century church and here is why:
1. It was clearly not a sign of salvation ( 1 Corinthians 14:22)
a. It was for the Jews ( 1 Corinthians 14:21) "This people" is God talking about Jews.
2. It was done away with ( 1 Corinthians 13:8-10)
a. "Tongues shall cease": the meaning of "that which is perfect" means the completion of scripture. So when Revelation was finished by the apostle John, tongues ceased.
3. Proof of salvation is by our works and not by signs ( James 2:14-19)
4. Tongues was never received after baptism, but after receiving the Holy Spirit ( Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:6)
a. After receiving the Holy Ghost they would speak in tongues, it was not when they were baptized.
5. Tongues are not necessary ( 1 Corinthians 14:19)
As clearly seen, tongues were merely a sign for the Jews that was used by Spirit filled Christians which was done away with after scripture was completed; not proof of salvation. Salvation is completely through Christ and Christ alone. Romans 5:8, 6:23, 10:9, 10:23, and John 14:6. You don't need tongues to tell you that you are saved, you need the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
If you would like more elaboration, just respond back to this with your questions.
I don't think Paul is meaning in the verses you quoted that he was illiterate, nor unskilled with language or reason prior to conversion. He was indicating that intelligence, oratory and linguistic skills, skill at reasoning were not profitable towards salvation.
God causes some people to be born with exceptional abilities that He intends to use for His kingdom once a person is converted. Paul was one such person who had extraordinary skills. I happen to have two sons that are in the "gifted" range intellectually. These exceptional intellectual abilities were not aquired as they grew. They were born this way. It was evident early in infancy in their problem solving skills and early language acquisition. There are a number of people in in my family that are such. My uncle was a mechanical genius. These abilities are given by God and are not to be denigrated, but acknowledged as good. However, no amount of 'giftedness' ensures salvation nor brings them to salvation. My uncle was a Mormon until his death. Salvation is a work of God. But once one is saved, these exceptional abilities can be well used for kingdom purposes, as Paul's were so used. We have his writings compiled to make up most of the New Testament epistles that include the majority of doctrines of the Christian faith taught and expounded upon for good reason. He was chosen for this and gifted for this work innately and with spiritual gifts after conversion. God used both ways to equip Paul for the work He had predestined for him to do.