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  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Agreed, David,

    We do not "hard sell" the Gospel to others, but we, by our godly lifestyle and wholesome conversation witness to the change that has occurred in us since conversion. We are to be firm in our stance on the Gospel and at the same time be pleasant and genuine in our approach to others, knowing that we, like them, once walked in error or were unregenerated. We must be humble and sincere, showing care and concern for the one we are witnessing to. If we are harsh, likely the person we are wishing to come to Christ will harden their heart and resist submitting to the Lord because of our behavior towards them.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Final section on witnessing

    In regard to prayer; it is good to find one or two people as I have been able to do who focus on other residents as well as desire them to be saved. I have seen staff who are believers and/or are open to the Gospel. Flexibility is needed as well as tolerance for stinky odors and unseemly things. There have been cases where people have cursed or been loud and obnoxious-wisdom is needed in such instances. Finally I have found that there may be more oppenness in places that are run down. One has to be careful not to say anything negative about the facility at risk of being kicked out at least when involving discussion with residents that can be subjective. Also those who want legal help in such cases can be given a phone number but we shouldn't personally take sides or be involved. Obviously if some egregious thing happens we should report it. Usually; we need to be available to help but need to ask if someone can have a drink or snack; but if so we should be willing to help. We should NOT move patients at all without permission unless we are doing other work there and certainly NOT help people move from wheelchair to a bed for instance. Patience helps in such cases.

    Prison ministry. The Lord removed that opportunity after training in Feb 2020 and then leaving Pittsburgh in my case. A number of my friends and church members are still doing that ministry which is a good thing. One thing to remember is it is best to work in groups and not easily be intimidated. Also in the case above there were Muslims and all other kinds of religions represented; and there were certain parameters as to where and when we could preach Christ as the only way. That may have been a reason the Lord removed me from that opportunity; it is a word of warning that we need to find out particulars and pray the Lord's will in such instances.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Nursing Home/Rehab ministry

    Getting a foot in the door is often the most difficult initial obstacle for such ministries. Usually a place wants to know what church you represent. Sometimes I have found (as with someone in Pittsburgh who started something in 1999) that going into a facility and just asking if there is a need for a study pays off; that is how I am getting a second one started near Philly in August. Previously before I moved here there was a small group in a home church and study that would regularly visit a Rehab facility; the same one I mentioned as being started in 1999. The Lord has seen fit for it to be reestablished once the COVID restrictions ended by one of the brothers who had been in that group previously.

    People on the street often enjoy regular conversations; this is accentuated in Nursing Home facilities. Having the boldness to challenge the faith and to confront (lovingly) facts such as mortality need to be addressed. Mercy; service and teaching spiritual gifts are good as a group as well.

    It has been hard for me to find consistant attendance from the church members I had in Pittsburgh. Here in Philly a lady from church got me in the door after I inquired about the need; and she has time to sit in on the study and gather people together. The activities director is also saved and apparently recently ministered to a dying man at night. I have found that rather substandard places tend to have better opportunities as there is a less controlling mindset. Usually you have a Jewish service as well as Catholic "rosary" activities. I recently established a second study just doing a walk in and asking in a new facility with the Social Director. Apparently they have a "psychic" hour there and I avoided having my study at the same time so I wouldn't have a spiritual war in the facility at least the first week.

    Prayer is key to deal with out of control people; as well as for request for the residents.
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Good tips, thank you Richard.
  • David0921 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    GiGi,

    As you imply, we are not "salesmen for Christ". The task of the True Believer is to be a witness for the True Gospel in our life and in the Gospel that we proclaim.

    But it must be the True Gospel as circumscribed by the Bible Alone and in its Entirety. It must be the Whole Counsel of God. And that starts with the fact that by nature we are sinners under the Judgment of God for every sin that we have or will ever commit as God describes us in

    Romans 3:10-18 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.

    And so we are under the Wrath of God for our sins, Eternal Death. But God has provided a way of escape by paying the full penalty required for the sins of those whom He has chosen to save. So we can come to God like the Publican in Luke 18:13, striped of any self righteousness, pleading for Mercy with a broken and contrite heart. There is then the very real hope that God might save us.

    Joel 2:12-14 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God.

    We, by nature, do not want this kind of a Gospel. God saves us by His Grace Alone. We are not in control.
  • RicoUS - 1 year ago
    Lord Jesus thank you that you said "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness."( 2 Cor. 12:9). We are so weak and the consequences of sowing to the flesh and sin for so long are overwhelming looking at the persistent sin-patterns, bondage. Please Lord strengthen us, encourage us and grant full deliverance from bondage and save those among us who are not yet believers. I ask for your strong protection and for you to fight for us against an enemy to strong for us ( Psalm 142:6). Please pour out your Holy Spirit on us and all in need. Grant an endtime revival/awakening all over the world. Thank you Lord. I pray in your holy name. Amen and MARANATHA.
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    :) Laredo is an old TV western show , one of the main characters is called Joe Riley , that's why I asked Jriley if he was a fan :) .
  • Esthela - 1 year ago
    I congratulate you in the name of Jesus and bless you. Keep forward reading the bible and horando that God is eschuchando but ay one thing you have to do give your heart to Christ and baptize but look for a christain pentecostal church ive found what you have to do because God baptize me also with the Holy Spirit and distributes a lot of gifts but you have to do this to receive help read the book of acts with prayer and the holy spirit will illuminate to you, but this Enlightenment is necessary. I have 56 years of being christain and the Lord blessed all my life I am happy because I know that Christ is with me as long as the state in danger of death he has saved me I have 85 years old and God has me alive and has helped me alot since I were born again becoming a daughter of god through Jesus Christ and obeying his word that my good God bless you much to you and your family I would like to know in what state you are to talk to you. God Bless you
  • Jriley334 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I believe we can use common sense logic to conclude that Adam and Eve were "not Jewish" (Gentile). We, all of humanity, are decendants of Adam and Eve, therefore if they were Jewish/Hebrew then we would all be Jewish/Hebrew and there would have been no need for God to proclaim to Abraham that he would become the "Father of the Hebrew Nation" (first of the Nation of Isreal) because everyone would already be Jewish/Hebrew including those who lived (during this time) in the land of Canaan (the "Promised Land". Abraham was born of Gentile parents in the city of Ur (south of Babylon). God converted Abraham to Jewish/Hebrew and he became the "Father of the Hebrew Nation". I understand there are those who prefer to use the term/lable "not Jewish" rather than "Gentile", which is fine with me, but please understand during this ancient Bible period the lables "Gentile" and "not Jewish" were one and the same.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jema,

    I am not familiar with Laredo. Tell me about this.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Ladybug76

    I guess we will just have to disagree on the compromising part as I have explained that I do not believe in compromising the truth of the Gospel and Scripture. A Spirit led interaction with such a person will bring forth the fruit of repentance and faith designed by the Holy Spirit who works in these interactions. I firmly believe that in such interactions I am an instrument that the Spirit uses to bring those people to the truth, but the result is always a work of the Holy Spirit, not a work of me being forceful to another person. We can certainly urge those we are witnessing to turn away from their false beliefs and also warn them of the judgment to come of all.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Ladybug76,

    I would certainly urge them to follow the Spirit's lead in seeking a place to fellowship that teaches rightly from Scripture. But I would not be demanding, as you seem to imply. I trust the Holy Spirit to accomplish all spiritual work within a person. I would pray that what I say has an effect on the person to seek the Lord more and learn from the Holy Spirit. Both are much stronger in influencing a person than I am and can speak straight to the heart of a person and also make the changes within a person to be born again and/or to follow God more truly.
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Are you a fan of Laredo by any chance :) ?
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Point taken, Ladybug
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    There is a Malchiah of the house of Rechab in Nehemiah , who helped to rebuild the wall of Jerusalem . That's all I can tell you .
  • Jema - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Ladybug , do you think that all Christians are responsible to tell all other Christians when they are wrong in their beliefs ? What role do you think the Bible plays in all this ? Do you not think that perhaps it is the responsibility of every one who is searching for the Truth , to read the Bible for themselves ? If any Christian told me that my beliefs were incorrect , I would expect them to explain to me and prove to me, in great detail , where I am wrong , from the Bible . Those of us who call ourselves Christians but who do not attempt to read and understand at least the new testament , but preferably both old and new , are putting themselves in danger . Those who call themselves Christians and who blindly accept what another person tells them that they should believe , and who don't read the Bible for themselves , are putting themselves in danger . The Bible is where we find the Truth and where everyone who is a Christian should be going every day . Our beliefs should come from the Bible , from our reading of it . Christians should not take any humans word for anything . The Truth is with God and God had revealed the Truth to us on His book the Bible . Apparently it's a criticism to say that some one doesn't trust anyone , I think it's very sensible to trust only God and He has provided a means by which we can come to the Truth , He is the Truth , He is Everything , whithout Him there is nothing . He has given us His Word , we can find Truth only in Him , through Christ , His Word made flesh and the Bible is where we need , all of us who would be His forever , to be .
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Witnessing

    There are different ways to strike up a conversation on the street. I have seen role playing: i.e. discussing among believers

    on whether anyone can be good in order to direct attention to bystanders. I prefer genuine discourse on scripture waiting for witnessing opportunities.

    Prayer: I stated in another post that a friend of mine spent an hour in prayer for every hour witnessing. Prayer is needed to soften our own hearts as well as working on others; preparing them to hear the Gospel and bringing them into our paths. Spiritual opposition needs to be dealt with proactively as well; much as the O.T. saints prayed before going to battle against the giants.

    Tracts: I personally prefer Chapel Library from Pensacola which has what is termed the Grace Gospel; i.e. a strong doctrine of election viewpoint related to scripture. The 5 points of Calvin is strongly followed by the group I hung out with in Pittsburgh although that wasn't used as far as I know as a Gospel tract per se. I have utilized other tracts. I would strongly suggest reading any tract before handing it out; as well as not relying too strongly on that alone to have the most impact. THere are times we only have a second to hand something out; but a conversation is always best especially when in groups.

    Group Dynamics: Having men to talk with men; women with women is helpful for encounters on the street. Having someone to focus on prayer as well as someone focusing on discussing scripture isn't mutually exclusive but can be helpful when a group of individuals appears. It helps when someone has a gift card; as well as availability to walk a few blocks when someone is going someplace but open to conversation. Also; of course those who have been out there for a while may be aware of dangerous people to avoid who are not open to the Gospel at the time. Finally someone should be praying as their focus during an outing as situations arise.
  • Jriley334 - 1 year ago
    In Jeremiah Chapter 35, the Rechabites entered the walled city of Jerusalem fleeing from the invading Babylonian army. This army took the people of Judah into exile to Babylon. Were the Rechabites also taken into exile to Babylon or did they remain in Judah to live out their nomadic lifestyle? Or do we simply not know of what happened to the Rechabites since I am not aware of them being mentioned again in the Bible.
  • Ladybug76 - In Reply on Psalms 91 - 1 year ago
    we have been commissioned by Christ to preach the truth. The Bible tells us to be instant in season it out tell the people the truth when they want to hear it and when they don't and be not weary in well doing for if you'd be not weary in well doing if you faint, not the Lord, will bless you. As a Christian, I will never throw a rock and hot my hand. David stood before a giant and threw a rock and he's laid him. He did not hide his hand.
  • Ladybug76 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I don't care if it's a Baptist ministry I met this ministry I don't care about the name or who they associate with I said a Bible believing ministering such as a nondenominational I don't care what the name is that they carry if they're not preaching the truth they're going to leave here and stand before God and they're gonna end up in hell a Bible ministry best preaching the gospel from the front to the back people who don't believe in Christmas who don't celebrate Easter just a pure, downright truth, the gospel, the Holy Spirit, leading gardening, directing those that are preaching the truth
  • Ladybug76 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I'm not implying anything I'm saying that you are compromising. If you don't tell them the truth and then just leave it up to them to either receive it or deny it but God is going to hold you accountable for not telling them that being in a Catholic ministry, as a Christian is an abomination.
  • Ladybug76 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    If you stand before someone knowing they're in a Catholic ministry and you don't tell them that they need to leave that ministry. The Lord is going to hold you accountable for not telling them the truth so that's what he left us here for is the tell the people the truth, so you're not gonna tell me, God is gonna move them out and in his own timing because if he's allowed you to preach the truth to them that time would be then right then and now, so you're gonna tell me you're gonna stand before someone to know that they're being indoctrinated falsely but they have a desire for the truth. Are you gonna let them go back to a false gospel,
  • Ladybug76 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Catholics Jehovah witness Muslims Mormons. They are all in the same category together you want to separate Catholics from the rest but they all fall in the pot together. You can't justify the wicked you can't. Catholics are just as wrong as Jehovah witness they all preach a false gospel, every single one of them.
  • Gwenpooh13 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I think that they were Jew beacuse they were God's chosen people.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Prayer: New and Old Testament

    If we examine the Old Testament; we see that prayers are often focused on the nation of Israel as a whole and repentance. We see this in Daniel; Jeremiah; Isaiah and Ezekiel. They are also often directed to specific battles that are about to be undertaken.

    Personal prayers seem quite limited. We see more petitioning with Abraham over Sodom which was no doubt due to concerns of Lot being there. Lot and his immediate family's deliverance were already in the works although Abraham only would have heard of the investigation to see if the evil was as bad as reported if he heard the conversation. Clearly God knew that indeed there were less than 10 righteous there at that time but perhaps chose to delegate the investigation to others since He cannot look on sin Himself. Lot's son in laws COULD have escaped if they heeded the warnings; and his wife started to escape but was destroyed after looking back; therefore only Lot and his two daughters escaped in the end; 3 people.

    In the New Testament we see Christ and the Apostle Paul near their deaths praying for the church to come and for doctrinal purity in the church; respectively. Other than Paul we don't have specific prayers mentioned that I am aware of. The focus on others means that the emphasis was not on reducing sufferings for either individual. This doesn't mean we can't pray for personal needs it just shows the focus should be on the Body of Christ and His will being done. The needs of others are things we often consider; jealousy for the truth may be somewhat lacking. Such prayers represent challenging the status quo; and perhaps asking God to ruffle a few feathers. We need to consider those kind of supplications as part of loving our brothers and sisters in the Lord as well as taking action. Boldly coming to the Throne ( Heb. 4:16) is something we can do; and much of that should be in order to pray for avenues to fulfill the Great Commission.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Children and the Resurrection

    Since the subject of animals has come up; I thought I would tackle another subject: that of children and the Rapture/Resurrection.

    Point One: The Rapture is for the church; therefore it doesn't necessarily prove unbelieving kids are part of that event. Matthew 18:10 makes it clear that children have an angel beholding the Father in heaven continually; that and other verses make it clear that kids all make it to heaven before the age of accountability. They would necessarily rise by the Great White Throne Judgment.

    I have noted previously that those who physically survive the Tribulation and die before the end of the Millennium may be among those who are in the Book of Life; rather than assuming all are lost at that Resurrection. Even that is somewhat nebulous as the man who dies at 100 is considered accursed and that may show that only rebels and unbelievers die at that time; the rest living physically the whole Millennium and then standing before God along with the resurrected wicked at that time.

    I would tend to think that kids would be Resurrected at the beginning of the Millennium after the Tribulation. Clearly those martyrs in Christ would arise at that time; perhaps a bit sooner actually before the vial judgments after the Trumpet judgments.

    I will also say that kids can be prayed for as to being Raptured out and those families already in a Covenant with God may have some sway in regard to that issue with blessings spreading to their offspring. That would NOT go beyond a child's age of accountability however. I would surely expect many youth to come to Christ through the Tribulation who the enemy has not successfully destroyed before that time. Many older folks just won't have the strength to endure very long into that period and energy needed for widespread evangelism. Those kids below the age of accountability will also exist in the Tribulation; most I would expect will die but be saved by God's grace.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    All the dead are said to rise at the Great White Throne Judgment. There is one obscure verse Ecclesiastes 3:21 shows how the soul of an animal goes down; while a man goes upward at death (where acording to Heb. 9:27 we are immediately judged).

    That could likely be when we see animals rise again.

    The Millennial Kingdom is likely the creatures that survive the Tribulation. It is unclear what percent of them die in that time; although one of the vial judgments kills ALL the life in the sea (hence there IS no more sea in the new earth). As with the replenishing of the Dead Sea (see end of Ezekiel); I would surmise that there is a fresh water stock of fish that multiply; although God could do something else (it appears fresh water and some fish already are entering underground in that area but only in certain sections; scripture shows how the reeds along the edge remain salt water areas).

    It also appears that horses at be present at the Second Coming; as they will come down with the saints and with Christ Himself; if that is to be taken literally. It is conceivable that Resurrected bodies of humans will be able to jump into the earth's gravity and not be destroyed; these creatures therefore would have to be either horses that live in heaven or perhaps resurrected for that event which is just speculative.

    Of course there are the extinct prehistoric dinosaurs and other creatures as well as many living under the sea and in the earth we are probably not familiar with today. There are also angelic beings that look like creatures (Cherubim) but are spirit beings.

    I would surmise also that whatever the original ancestors looked like will be seen as well; it would be likely that reproduction as with resurrected men would halt after animals are Resurrected. I would also hazard a guess that the animals would be in their original role as well as being docile enough for us to hang around; like an outdoor pet.

    Not a subject to nix fellowship over differing views...
  • Angelica14 - 1 year ago
    Please pray for my incarnenated partner, keep him safe and strong and minds of things, i pray in jeses name hes realeased when the time is right, pray for my financial help, im so much need my lord , protect me and my children. Thank you.
  • David Allen - 1 year ago
    Please remember me and my family today in your prayers
  • Jema - In Reply on Psalms 91 - 1 year ago
    I believe that all Christians today make up the Kingdom of God , we are not however , filling the earth with the Glory of the Lord . The Kingdom will be fully realised when Christ returns and all flesh shall see the Glory of the Lord . In the last chapter of Luke , Jesus talks quiet a bit about the Kingdom to come . All things will be made new , the kingdoms of this world , THIS WORLD , will become the Kingdoms of God and if His Son , then the meek shall inherit the earth and the temple in Ezekiel shall be the centre of God's Kingdom which shall be in Jerusalem in the land that was promised to Abraham and his descendents forever , who's descendents we are if we are Christ's , then we are Abraham's and heirs to those promised made to Abraham and his seed . We shall be like him , overseeing and guiding and ministering to , the humans that are left alive after the wrath of God has been poured out .


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