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Sorry I meant Hebrews 8:8-13, not 9:8-12.

I could use prayers for my marriage. We are both submitted to the Lord. But in the past few months things has gotten bad at home. He works out of town, home on weekends. We stopped going to church a few months ago. There was issues at the church. So we have been looking. He has been different. He has been walking with the Lord for over 20yrs and I for 7yrs. I still have much more to take in. He was called to preach 2 yrs ago. At times it seems like the old nasty Devil has ahold of him. The Longer he works out of town the more of ahold he has on him. We have some crakes in our amor. Please just pray for our marriage to be healed, that our Gracious God leads us to a church, and that old ugly devil stays away. Also pray we get our Arom gets sealed back up. Thank you and have a very blessed day.

Antipas :

A commenter quoted Matthew 23:37-39, I pointed out vs.39 dispelled any inference it was

everlasting or endless.

Very good thank you Ronald I understand now.

Thanks!

The Lord only hears the prayers of the righteous and the pope is not righteous have you not heard of some of the unholy acts the popes have done how can they be righteous they are not

Awesome you can do just trust in Jesus to help you

I yes and if it helps I go to a sprint filled Ministry that's on ytube it's called the True word Channel every Wednesday evening @6:30pm

Beautiful and you made perfect sense just

Keeping pressing reading and praying if you don't understand something just ask the Lord for understanding and wait for him to give don't be in a hurry just rest in Jesus but your testimony is beautiful I love hearing about how people of God love Jesus and understand he's the savior

Jimbob

You asked: Do Believers go through great tribulation?

Yes, they do. Get ready, it will be the last seven years of the Devil's world. It is very important to meditate on our last days of existence in this current system of this devilish world, not because we are going to die, quite the contrary, it is because we will live, we will be alive in these last seven years of the Devil's world, this last period of time of the current world are approaching.

The journey of all believers, prepared or no, for the last seven years, and for the last spiritual sufferings of terrestrial life, it will be similar to the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt. By the way, there will be two BEASTS reigning in the Earth, one Gentile Beast and another Jewish, that is a false lamb, a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR, as prophesied JESUS- John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11KJV. The 1st 42 months of the last seven years, it will be ruled by the FIRST Beast enthroned in Jerusalem by the false messiah as is written in Rev.13:2 and 5-KJV. The 2nd Beast -the false messiah-will rule the 2nd half of the last seven years. Get ready.

Daniel in his prophecy, warned, saying: Daniel 12:11-12KJV

11"From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (yes, it shall be taken away because there was a certain period of time to cease the sacrifice or be taken out of the way, the restraining, by the way, the sacrifice of JESUS have lasted until this current time or around 720.000 days, and now will cease) and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. JESUS warned us: Matthew 24:15-"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)if not understand, it may complicate, it is what I think), after all it will be 1290 very tense days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days

Hi Antypas

The verses you stated from Jeremiah are also used by Paul in Hebrews 9:8-12. Paul considers this new covenant to Israel that Jeremiah is taking about is the New Testament that God introduced firstly to Hebrews and then to the rest of the world. But Jews didn't receive Jesus, and consequently God, so their House was left abandoned by God. Until when? Until they repend for crucifying Jesus and ask for Him. When is this going to occur? At the very end. Paul in Rom 11:25-27 says that they will be saved after the fullness of the nations will come in (the salvation).

So who are the elect now? Romans 8:30-32,

"30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of GOD'S ELECT? It is God that justifieth."

Please pay attention to the above verse 33.

God's intention when creating the Hebrew nation through Abraham was not to have a superior race than the rest who will conquer the world. His aim is to create a nation which will preserve the faith to the true God, through which at the proper time the Savior would erect to sacrifice Himself for the salvation of all people. In God's mind was the whole mankind not just a race.

So He established the church on Pentecost

Ephessians 2:14-17,

"14For he is our peace, who hath made both (Jews and gentiles) one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

GBU"

Very well said cuz I was confused too. Yet as I said before "God knows ALL & knew what was to happen in order to fulfill His will

by sending His Son. Jews (true ones, there are wolves in sheep clothing in ALL beliefs out there), are very true to their beliefs so when God does get ahold of them causing them to finally believe & understand His word, watch out cuz they are mighty powerful therefore I can see now why God chose them first.! So many others, from my experience, have fallen away & come back & away & back, makes me dizzy. Jews on the other hand; they're going to feel so guilty for not believing sooner that (I feel) will be more faithful after their repentance.! When God gets ahold of you & you no longer allow satan to corrupt you, your stuck & stuck good & THEN (as Sound of Freedom said) "when you hear Him speak, DO NOT HESITATE". Till then many will fall away Cuz they don't realize being in a garage doesn't make them a car.! We have to read, study & learn His word DAILY, standing up for His truth not allowing the evil world to corrupt us as well.!

Hi Jeff,

The great tribulation we see in Matt. 24:21 and Rev. 7:14 is caused by the beast that arises that many call the antichrist, Rev. 13. The events we see happen in Matt. 24:29 is just before Jesus's second coming. These are signs, we are not told how long the sun and moon will be dark but this is not permanent they will shine again during the millennium.

When Jesus returns there is the first resurrection, the battle of Armageddon, then the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire and Satan is locked up in the bottomless pit. Then Jesus will set up His kingdom and the 1000 years start, and Jesus and those in the first resurrection will reign over the earth for these 1000 years.

After the 1000 years, Satan will be let out of the pit, then the last battle, this when Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Then the white throne will come down from heaven and judgment is given to the rest of the dead, then God creates a new heaven and new earth. This is when there will not be a sun or moon to light the earth because God and the Lamb will be the light.

Bible study is a wonderful lifetime journey in the word of God. When we pick up God's word, we should pray for the Holy Spirit to shine a light that lights up our understanding. Will it happen every time and will we understand all? No, but we will understand all we need and more. Patience is the key, patience is a gift from God, it is a quality or virtue of forbearance or endurance and with it, we can endure anything we face because it is God's timing, not ours. "let us run with patience the race that is set before us".

God bless,

RLW

Good morning Cheryl and all! I also have questions too and I think the entire chapter mentioned is on this subject not just the selected verses. The purpose of the order of the Church is so we can listen and worship together as one body collectively in a quiet and meek yet learning way. While spiritual thoughts (prophecy) from above are being conveyed, distractions or an appearance of out of order takes a away from the spiritual worship of Jesus Christ. So my question would be if a congregation as part of the living Church feels the need to have women teaching or preaching in their behalf, why is that need present? Put another way, is not Paul here teaching the men to be in decent order? Jesus as the second Adam was complete in order in all things and in this perfect order his last message in Revelation 22:19 might mean to not block (remain clear) His message from those that hear and those who are of thirst.

Lots of verse 39s in bible..depending on which one your speaking of, then I can understand better & reply. thanks.!

Thanks you for this, it helped. I know and understand God knows ALL so He already knew that 'they may take the long road to get there yet because of their faithfulness once there, they will NOT turn away from Him as so many do'. Thanks again Chris

Do Believers go through great tribulation?

In ( Mt. 24:21-22) v21 "For then shall be great tribulation"

v22 Tells us "for the (elect's) sake those days shall be shortened"

The word (elect's) is #1588; it means select, by implying favorite, chosen, to select, make choice, choose (out) chosen.

God's elect are His favorite, His chosen ones in whom He will choose (out) ( Mt. 24:40-42) True Believers.

In ( Mt. 24:29-31) v29 "Immediately AFTER the tribulation"

v30 "and they shall see the Son of man (Jesus Christ) coming (in the clouds) of heaven with power and great glory"

v31 "and they shall gather together his elect"

AFTER the tribulation is when the (elect) are gathered together.

In ( Rev. 7:9) "After this I beheld, and, lo, ((a great multitude, which no man could number)), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

( Rev. 7:14-17) v14 Tells us "These are they which ((came out of great tribulation)), and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb"

A great multitude that no man could number ((came out of great tribulation)), the Son of man (Jesus Christ) comes in the clouds to gather together His elect (Immediately AFTER the tribulation)

v17 Tells us "For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall ((feed them)), and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes"

When will the Lamb feed them?

The marriage supper of the Lamb is when those who came out of great tribulation will be fed in ( Rev. 19:7-9)

A great multitude that no man could number comes out of great tribulation.

When God pours out His wrath on the earth no man will be able to enter into the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled, ( Rev. 15:7-8)

All seven vials full of the wrath of God will be poured out on the earth and no man will be able to enter into the temple.

Truth matters!

Hi bro Dan

Greetings in Christ JESUS

Thank you for your reply.

See, it is very important to meditate on our last days of existence in this current system of the current world, not because we are going to die, quite the contrary, it is because we will live, we will be alive in these last seven years of the Devil's world, this last period of time of the current world are approaching, and the journey of all believers, prepared or no, for the last days and for the last spiritual sufferings of terrestrial life, it will be similar to the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt, on the one hand, in the first moments of exit from Egypt, we will se GOD fighting/ battling against the Enemy through His plagues and severe punishments, there will be only and only severe chastiments, on the other hand, GOD protecting His people to escape the persecution and violence of the evil ones, so will the last seven years of this present world's existence. Indeed it will be wrath against wrath, the spiritual environment will be one of fierce spiritual warfare - Revelation 11:18. Take a look. It all starts now with GOD's declaration of WAR against the Devil's world; What statement? It's in Revelation 11:15KJV - "The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the Lord's and of His Christ (not yet, of course), and He will reign forever. For this cause, the NATIONS will be wrathed- Revelation 11:18, but GOD will wrath also, well, if GOD is for us, who can be against us?

By the way, Michael will be with us in the WAR on this last journey- Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Revelation 12:7 to 13. Take a look.

GET READY

You know: The WAR shall be/is against three unclean spirits like frogs- Revelation 16:13-15. Why frogs?

GET READY

Good Morning,

We are still following Christ, he is the Church ?,

women preaching in churches does that go against 34 & 35 ? , & take away from the meaning of Revelations 22:18 & 22:19 ?

Thanks

Greetings,

Your answer is in your post in v. 39 ..."for I say unto you, you will not see me henceforth, till you shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."...You can see it's not implied forever more, because they will see him when he returns, and not just the southern kingdom, (house of Judah), but also the northern kingdom (house of Israel), and He will covenant with them, and they with Him.

Albeit, the conditions will be much different as declared by Jeremiah:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

and Paul in writing Hebrews, (again to the Israelites):

Hebrews 8:8-13

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Can you show me where this is overturned, Amos 3, is in the perfect tense meaning the act is completed.

Deuteronomy 7

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth

Amos 3

2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

Matthew 15

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Antipas.

Greetings,

Your answer is your post in v. 39 ..."for I say unto you, you will not see me henceforth, till you shall say, Blessed is he that cometh

in the name of the Lord." It is never said nor implied forever more, and they will see him when he returns, and will bless his name, and not just the southern kingdom, house of Judah, but also the northern kingdom house of Israel, and He will covenant with them, and they with Him.

Albeit, the conditions will be much different as declared by Jeremiah:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

and Paul in writing Hebrews, (again to the Israelites):

Hebrews 8

please pray for me and my family today

From Issac Penington, 1658 The Way of Life & Death Manifested.

Hi Jriley.

It is clear that there was always a chosen line of ancestry. This is evident from the fact that the Book of Genesis only gives the genealogy of Seth (although Cain's genealogy is mentioned briefly), ignoring all the other descendants of Adam and Eve.

The line of Seth takes us all the way to the birth of Jesus. "There are some Gentiles in the line of Jesus by way of Rahab and Ruth.

There was always a chosen line, but that does not mean there has ALWAYS been a separation of Jews and Gentiles.

It seems, then, that the separation of Jews and Gentiles did not BEGIN to occur until God called Abraham to be the father of His chosen nation, Israel ( Genesis 12). Many view Abraham as the first Jew, even though the precise term Jew did not come into use until after the return from exile when the tribe of Judah was dominant.

Another placement of the division of Jews from Gentiles would be with Jacob, whose name was changed by God to Israel

Genesis 32:28.

(All of the descendants of Jacob, through his 12 sons)

I believe the separation of lineage started with Seth and the ACTUAL separation of Jews and the rest of the world/Gentiles Started in Genesis 17:10-19 and highlighted in vs 17-18.

"And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Abraham was given a seal if a covenant of circumcision, "A cutting away of sinful flesh" in

Genesis 17:10-14.

This pointed to Christ work on the cross. Colossians 2:10-17.

This has nothing to do with race!

It has everything to do with covenant!

And a Jew inwardly has nothing to do with Israel as a Nation and God's covenant and future promises to the Nation Israel and the Davidic kingdom in the Millennium.

GB.

Hi Chowell2

Jesus proclaimed Himself to be the "Alpha and Omega" in

Revelation 1:8;

Revelation 21:6; and

Revelation 22:13.

Alpha and omega are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet.

It's common to use the first and the last letters of the Hebrew alphabet to denote the whole of anything from beginning to end. Jesus as the beginning and end of all things is a reference to no one but God!

This statement of eternality could apply only to God.

It is equivalent to saying He always existed and always will.

The phrase also identifies Him as the God of the Old Testament. Isaiah ascribes this aspect of Jesus' nature as part of the triune God in several places. "I, the Lord, am the first, and with the last I am He" Isaiah 41:4.

"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God"

Isaiah 44:6.

I am he; I am the first, I also am the last" Isaiah 48:12.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY. Revelation 1:8

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Jema sorry for the late reply. Those plagues sent by God upon the Egyptians will be more like the wrath of God that will only be poured out on the non-believers, the disobedient ones, those who accepted the mark of the beast and worshipped his image who believe not in Jesus Christ.

( Jn. 3:36) The word (beleiveth) is #4100; it means to have faith in, to entrust, (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ) reliance upon Christ for salvation.

The words (beleiveth not) is #544; it means to disbelieve, not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving.

So the believers in Christ have everlasting life. ( Mt. 24:40-42) Those taken are the believers who receive everlasting life. Those left are the one's that the wrath of God abideth on.

( Eph. 5:6) "cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience"

( Col. 3:6) "the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience"

Jesus comes in the clouds to gather together His elect, His church, His bride in ( Mt. 24:29-31) v29 Tells us "Immediately after the tribulation". Jesus comes in the clouds AFTER the tribulation. God's wrath is not poured out until all True Believers in Jesus are caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds. ( 1 Thess. 4:16-17) and ( Mt. 24:40-42) All will go through the tribulation period but Believers in Jesus Christ are not appointed unto wrath ( 1 Thess. 5:9) God's wrath comes AFTER the tribulation period.

We will be proving our Faith during great tribulation.

You are 100% right Jema, we must trust in God and wait for our Salvation from above. This will be a time of testing when the antichrist will bring about the mark of the beast during great tribulation and many True Believers will be beheaded ( Rev. 2:10) ( Rev. 20:4)

Testing during (tribulation) #2347; pressure, afflicted, anguish, burdened, persecution, trouble.

Plagues during (wrath) #3709; violent passion, or [justifiable] abhorrence, punishment, anger, indignation, vengeance.

Thank you Jema. Do you see the timeline in this?

That leads me to another question?

In Matthews 24:29

It pretty much says that immediately after the tribulation, the sun will go darkened and the moon shall not give her life and the stars shall fall from heaven.

So, it almost sounds like the white throne will take place before 1000 years?

Otherwise, I am missed understanding 1000 years millennium, we will not need the sun to shine on the Earth?

I understand the new heavens light will come from God.

Hi Jeff,

You are correct, it is after Satan is cast into the lake of fire, you can find that in Revelation 20.

God bless,

RLW

I was thinking that it took place after the Devil is cast into the lake of fire.

I wasn't sure if any scripture supported that.

Thanks, Ronald, for the reply!

I'm not sure that I understand the answer. I'm sorry, but sometimes a simple answer is better for me. I am little slow sometimes on understanding.

The Great White Throne judgment takes place before or after the millennium?