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Hello Jesse, the Hebrew word for serpent of snake is 'nachash' or 'tannin'.

What do you think about dragonman's question of whether the serpent in the Garden was actually a physical snake/serpent or a spiritual being that took on the form of a serpent. I think that it is the latter, or perhaps Lucifer's image as a cherub was that of a beautiful serpent or dragon in which he could physically appear as such to Adam and Eve.

Dear readers of the KJV , I am a retired veteran of 23 years of service to the armed forces , and retired from the veterans hospital after close to 19 years as well . Today I am fighting COPD and walking with an oxygen tank , and living at a retirement home . please pray that I can continue my fight against this COPD.

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Nice to hear from you too.

I know I shouldn't be upset. All the wickedness going on in the world is making me crazy. We know that Jesus is right at the door, and as Matthew 24:13 says, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Christians take a lot of flack for simply trying to give The Lost the information they need to be saved. They don't want to hear it. It's very frustrating.

What does 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 mean? We should shun phony Christians and not fret over the unsaved????

1Corinthians 5:

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

What are your thoughts??

Gigi How are you doing it's good to hear from you. I thank you for all your prayers it means alot to see people do the will of God. He is giving me joy my laughter has returned I can recall when all I did was cry . So I will continue to give God the glory it's not over for me I have a race to run.

And GiGi,

One more thing.

In this comment you state in the last paragraph "God is not an INTELLECTUAL ABSTRACT IDEA LIKE THE WORDS ARE" (caps are mine).

Certainly the first half of your statement regarding God Himself is absolutely TRUE. But the statement, or at least the implication, that the "words" of the Bible are some kind of INTELLECTUAL ABSTRACT IDEA is absolutely FALSE; and I could not disagree more.

The Bible does not merely "contain" the Word of God in the words of Men about God and what He wants to communicate. The Bible Alone and in its Entirety IS THE VERY WORD OF GOD HIMSELF (in the original autographs). The Word of God is absolutely True and Trustworthy in every sense and is the Bible is only Source Book of Absolute Truth that God gives us. The teachings of the Bible are every bit as real as God Himself and are not "intellectual abstract ideas" in any sense whatsoever.

I am somewhat shocked that you would even use that language of your statement in attempting to distinguish between God Himself and His Word. And I hope that I have misunderstood your meaning.

Dragonman,

In Genesis 3:1, we are introduced to the serpent. There is a Hebrew word that means both serpent and snake. I don't recall the word off the top of my head, but I do recall that both serpent and snake are the same word in Hebrew. The word is used for serpent in Genesis and Numbers, and the same word is used for snake in Isaiah.

Hope this helps!

Hello Dgjot

The Old Testment was given to Hebrews about 1500 BC. Let's not forget that that Law represented societies of that time. God gave them a law that was familiar to them, all other nations at that time, Sumerians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians had similar Laws. So all those practises and customs were already known to them by their living in those other places. They were accustomed to them. Those people at that time didn't have the same mind as we have today. Today we could never consider those practises as normal, we would never eg marry our brother's wife if he died without leaving children or we wouldn't pick our servant to have children with her if our wife could not make children like Abraham did and many other things in the O.T. So don't consider those rules under modern standards. How about the idea that one could have slaves? It cannot even pass through our mind nowadays but at that time it was normal. GBU

Hi GiGi

Since we don't know who is commenting, we must add that a martyr in Christianity differs from what a martyr is called in Islam. In Christianity as you said a martyr is one who is killed for their faith in Jesus like the early christians who were thrown to the lions in the Roman arenas, whereas in Islam a martyr is one who kills others or gets killed while trying to kill others in the name of their God. Completely opposite things.

Helo Pflab11

One who is killed by another for their faith in Jesus is considered a martyr.

Thanks David,

I appreciate the Scriptures you have supplied. I agree that it is in the Scriptures that we learn of God and God uses the Scriptures to turn us to Him, grow in faith and knowledge of Him, and mature in our life in Him.

Good to hear from you Dgjot. It has been some time since you have posted. I was wondering about you and praying that you have been thriving with the Lord.

Amen Latonya,

so glad God has given you another year with us here. Glad you could return to work. Little by little He is strengthening you.

I have had a hard time growing up because of not giving my life to god i think it was last year June i went on vacation leaving my mother not knowing the outcome 2 weeks later found out she was int he hospital with a brain stroke( God praying women) we prayed everyday for her to wake up put the good lord said to me and everyone it was time for her suffering to end god knows how much i cried those days i think i cried myself to sleep and now i'm trying to follow her footsteps and give myself to god because i have been sinning a lot lately as a 12 year old girl.Guys if you have time pray for me prayer is never enough

11When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets :

12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

"the secrets" = private parts. "cut off her hand"

Isn't this overkill?

But raping women is just fine???

The more I read the Bible the more I just want to avoid people and stay in the house.

When the Bible says the serpent was it speaking of a real snake or a man with like tendency

Additionally GiGi,

These are but a tiny sampling of what God declares about His WORD, the BIBLE.

Psalms 78:1 Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the WORDS of my mouth.

Psalms 119:151,152 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are TRUTH. Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my WORDS shall not pass away.

Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my WORDS in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Luke 1:1,2 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the WORD;

Luke 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the WORD of God, and keep it.

John 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the WORDS of eternal life.

Acts 19:20 So mightily grew the WORD of God and prevailed.

Acts 12:24 But the WORD of God grew and multiplied.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the WORD of God.

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

GiGi,

God has existed from eternity past and is INFINITELY more than what He has chosen to communicate to mankind in His Word, the Bible.

But everything that God has chosen to reveal to mankind about Himself, our relationship to God, and His plan for mankind and this World is contained in the Word of God, the Bible.

God identifies Himself very INTIMATELY with His Word. And John 1 like every Word and phrase and chapter and book in the Bible is the Word of God chosen by God Himself, and not the word of man.

To "worship God", in the first instance, is to obey God. And to be obedient to God is to be obedient to the Word of God, the Bible.

The problem with mankind is not that we are "worshiping the Bible". It is that we are disobedient to the Word of God, the Bible. And it is only from the Word of God, as God Himself would open our understanding of His Word, that we come to know our disobedience, the terrible penalty for our disobedience, and the solution for our disobedience and incomprehensible riches that only God in His Mercy has provided at an incomprehensible cost to Himself. That is the Gospel.

I have stated this poorly. But we cannot separate the worship of God from the Word of God. Why would we even entertain such an idea?

I wish to add for continuity sake: Moses remained faithful to the first Covenant in Christ and this was with no inheritance of earthly lands. He was faithful like a bride to a True Husband and knew no divorce. His Covenant was all the people of God needed to be one Nation under God.

Thanks you. All went well for the ceremony and we met her aunts who came from Boston. Very happy for them, but they do need my prayers, trusting God to answer them wonderfully.

Yes, good evening! Very true GiGI! Moses remained with Christ and he did not inherit any earthly territory in the first Covenant.

Good Evening, Carleton.

Yes, Moses was sinful like all of us. Only our sins are not written in Scripture for believers to read throughout the ages. But Moses loved God, and more importantly, God favored Moses and initiated the relationship because He loved Moses and chose to save Him. he did not need to live sin-free for to retain this favor. He was an outstanding leader of God's people for those 40 years. His relationship with God was wrought by God-God chose Moses to be His friend whom He spoke to face-to-face. So amazing!

Moses did not enter the earthly promised land but he did enter the heavenly place prepared for him by Jesus. Moses was with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. Therefore we can know that he knew the gospel, as it says in Heb. 4:2, that the people God took out of Egypt had heard the Gospel. Moses believed it, and the gospel brought him salvation. How honored he was to stand with Christ at His Transfiguration! We can know that Moses is an heir to the salvation that is only in Christ and not by the Law.

Bye his stripes I am healed . Last year was a rough year for me I tear up just talking about. I had a major surgery a heart transplant to be exact . I didn't know if I was going to make it through but God did it for me the look my family had on there face as I was being wheeled back to have the surgery I can remember. It was touch and go for a while . Know it has been a year since my surgery I'm still here thanks be to God . I am back working only part time for now but gives me the strength to get up and go one day I will be ready to go back full time until then I pray God continue to be my provider in Jesus name amen.

How does someone be considered to be martyred by Heaven

Richard,

Thanks for informing me about your new opportunities to reach others.

I will certainly pray about it. I will also pray about VBS as it will occur throughout the summer across the globe.

I am glad to read your posting. They are thought provoking. And you are giving me far too much credit for what I post. I am not a trained scholar on biblical matters but I read Scripture and think deeply about what I read. The Holy Spirit helps me to understand and explain His words to myself and to others. It helps for me to think out loud by writing out my thoughts about passages I read. That is how I came to this site, to read the KJV.

And when I found the discussion button at the bottom of the chapter pages, I read through the responses and began replying by posting my thought process. I hope people find this beneficial. It really helps me grow.

I did not even know there was this aspect of the discussion forum here until Chris pointed this out to me when responding to my first postings. So thankful for him!

We each have our own God-given styles here and this is good. But I think what makes us stronger in faith and knowledge concerning spiritual matters is to live a life of continual intake of Scripture over many decades yielding to the work of the Holy Spirit in this pursuit.

We do need to remain open to the input of others here, but we also need to be discerning concerning those who respond as one who does so from the heart with an attitude that benefits others and humility to be taught by others. I agree that there are some at times who seem to have motives that are not best and who respond in ways that either repeats their own narrative in ways that are contrary to Scripture or that do not help others, but elevates self. We can trust that the Holy Spirit will guide us in this.

Have a good evening-will be off to bed soon.

David, continued...

Rather we use what we learn from Scripture to worship God in spirit and in Truth.

Hello David,

I will try to explain my thinking to you more clearly. Just as the church is the body of Christ, having been placed in Him by the action of regeneration of the Holy Spirit and still is distinct from who Jesus is, we are not to worship the church, whether it is people who belong to Christ or a particular sect, or a particular form of participating in fellowship with one another and Christ. Jesus is the head of the Church and He alone is to be worshipped as regards to His body.

So it is with Scripture, which is the communication of God to man. The communication, words of Scripture, is not God. God is the author of the words, but the author and the words are not the same thing. One is the cause (God) and the other is the effect (words). We are not to worship the Bible, treating it like it is God in written form, because it is not. It is the words of men inspired by the Holy Spirit to communicate what God wants to reveal to humanity. We are to worship the One who speaks to us through the inspired words of the biblical writers. We are to respect and obey the Scriptures as well as hide them in our hearts as the treasure they are. But, we are not to pay homage to or place the Scriptures in a place of substitution for the true God.

David, it seems that you believe that the words of Scripture are Jesus Christ because He has the title of the Word of God in John 1. But, I think that there is a difference between this title of the Son of God and words He speaks or inspired to be written in Scripture. God is not an intellectual abstract idea like words are. He is the Living God who has created all things besides Himself. He speaks things into existence, but His words in Scripture are given power by God. Words (pural) do not have life or power in and of themselves. But God is the life and power behind everything that has authority over humans.].

David, I have not said that we are to worship Christ without the Bible. cont...

Hello David,

I will try to explain my thinking to you more clearly. Just as the church is the body of Christ, having been placed in Him by the action of regeneration of the Holy Spirit and still is distinct from who Jesus is, we are not to worship the church, whether it is people who belong to Christ or a particular sect, or a particular form of participating in fellowship with one another and Christ. Jesus is the head of the Church and He alone is to be worshipped as regards to His body.

So it is with Scripture, which is the communication of God to man. The communication, words of Scripture, is not God. God is the author of the words, but the author and the words are not the same thing. One is the cause (God) and the other is the effect (words). We are not to worship the Bible, treating it like it is God in written form, because it is not. It is the words of men inspired by the Holy Spirit to communicate what God wants to reveal to humanity. We are to worship the One who speaks to us through the inspired words of the biblical writers. We are to respect and obey the Scriptures as well as hide them in our hearts as the treasure they are. But, we are not to pay homage to or place the Scriptures in a place of substitution for the true God.

David, it seems that you believe that the words of Scripture are Jesus Christ because He has the title of the Word of God in John 1. But, I think that there is a difference between this title of the Son of God and words He speaks or inspired to be written in Scripture. God is not an intellectual abstract idea like words are. He is the Living God who has created all things besides Himself. He

Good Evening Richard, In reflecting on your posting about head knowledge/heart knowlege I would say that we need a balance of BOTH head and heart knowledge of the Gospel and the knowing of God the Father through God the Son, Jesus Christ, by the action of the Holy Spirit. We should not diminish the value of either nor promote one over the other. We do believe with both our heart and intellect. We choose to obey God with both our heart and intellect/will. We learn who God is through intellectual engagement with the Doctrines/Truths of Scripture as well as appreciate these Doctrines/Truths with our heart. We exercise spiritual gifts with using the mind to discern what our actions should be and by being softened in our hearts by the Holy Spirit to desire to benefit others with the use of the giftings God has bestowed upon us.

Our walk with Jesus is so important that we are to do so with ALL of our being. We should desire to have this well rounded relationship with our Lord and submit whole-heartedly and sober-mindedly, willing to imitate Christ, using our bodies to do what God wills, and using our strength and natural power to endure the work set before us or to face hardship and persecution.

This is a good topic to speak about. Thanks for bringing it up today.