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The Eastern Greek Orthodox Church uses the so called Patriarcal Text for the New Testament. It is very similar to the Received Text. That text is based on the Byzantine text. The Byzantine text is the text that they were using since the foundation of that church in the 3rd centuary AD. In Rom 1:19, it contains the words "of Christ".
About manuscripts. Not all the manuscripts from ancient times survived. What we have now is a small portion of what was written. But still those small differences in the texts do not make any real difference, whether the phrase "of Christ" is true or it is a later addition it does not matter. It is the doctrines we are seeking in the Bible, not numbers and descriptions and that sort of things. We are interested in what those people knew about God and Jesus and what their beliefs were. And as far as doctrines are concerned they are all the same, whether the Received Text or the Critical or any other. So let's not spend our time in unimportant secondary things.
The Septuagint text was translated from a text that was an earlier version of the Masoretic text. Today many scholars and theologians believe that in ancient times there were many slightly different texts of the O.T. due to errors or additions and comments done during hand copying the scriptures through centuaries. Today there are 4 different texts of the O.T. plus many private translations that the early church fathers did for their own use. The 4 are, the Septuagint, the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Masoretic and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Not 2 of them are completely indentical. But the differences are unimportant, they are differences in words and descriptions and numbers and that sort of things. Just for information.
"Why do we say that sanctification makes us blameless, not faultless? Because the Grace of God working in us does not make us infallible. Sin has so perverted our moral and spiritual powers that we shall never in this present life be free from the infirmities of human nature."
This is a subtle lie, cleverly disguise within a lot of truth, whether intentional or not, I hope it was the later.
blameless def; is an adjective that means "innocent of wrongdoing" or "free from blame or fault"
faultless def; is an adjective that means having no fault, mistake, defect, imperfection, blemish, flaw, error, vice, or offense. It describes something that is perfect in all respect
Titus 2:11-14 all iniquity
Jude 1:24 faultless without blame, without blemish, faultless.
From a (as a negative particle) and momos; unblemished (literally or figuratively) -- without blame (blemish, fault, spot), faultless, unblamable.
Ephesians 5:27
The Grace of God is the Almighty, who we have in these earthen vessels; Isa 14:27 only to the unbelievers are these things impossible Matt 13:58 Hebrews 3:19
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"
This verse; in a nutshell explains how; following man's expulsion from Eden that Adam's descendants-more or less willingly walked away from what they knew intellectually about God through the testimony of Adam and others who lived many hundreds of years into idol worship. This would result in the end of the antidiluvian world when Noah entered the ark; and would also signify the reason why God would use Israel to wipe out pagan nations once their "iniquity was at the full" (See Genesis 15:16 for earlier example). Israel was warned repeatedly not to follow the customs of the surrounding nations which often came through intermarriage or by obtaining cursed items. Sadly they hardened their hearts ( Jeremiah 32:35) to do the horrible act in Hinnom of sacrificing their children to Molech in the fire. God also judged Sodom; Gomorrah and the surrounding cities for the behaviors of men there of sodomy. Proverbs 14:34 states that righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people.
This verse shows that there is a process involved when people drift off into sin; we all can see evidence of God in the Creation; even the Godhead as Romans 1:20 indicates (see also Psalm 19). Acts 8:23 shows someone in the gall of bitterness and bond of iniquity. This was Simon the Sorcerer; whose story began in verse 9. AFTER being baptized and claiming to be a believer he somehow thought he could buy the powers that the Apostles had of laying hands on people and having them receive the Holy Ghost. He was warned that he had no part in their ministry by Peter; and at the end of the story he asked them to pray for him.
It is hard to say exactly what Peter warned would happen to him or if he truly repented. We see; however a warning that it more than power in the gifts but the giver of gifts we worship.
23Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.
24But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,
25And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
This verse is a sobering reminder that "many are called; few are chosen". ( Matt. 22:14). We are reminded of the verse in Matthew 7:22 when people would claim they did many miracles in His name; but that He never knew them. Verse 24 needs further consideration. For the Father and Son to dwell within us ( John 14:23) we need a heart change; as it were. Without good soil; as it were there can't be fruit production ( Luke 8:15).
For Jesus to "commit himself" to someone means that He deems us acceptable "in the Beloved" ( Ephesians 1:6). Let that sink in; all of our "declarations" of faith; blessings; etc. are meaningless unless He has initiated that covenant; or bond with our souls. Therefore we see many examples of Jesus "weeding out" the crowds and individuals who claimed that they wished to follow Him as a Disciple. Counting the cost is a painful exercise; following Christ means an all or nothing proposition; something not palatable for many; in fact most who would claim to believe. As I have stated in previous posts; Jesus seemed to a large extent to provide food and healings to any who would request it. Yet He would challenge them for the reasons which He could see in their hearts for following Him (such as getting their fill of bread). Except for the few that would clearly come to worship Him and/or give God the glory we cannot be certain who is healed and actually came to true faith ( John 5:14 is a good example of this). Even His own brothers for a time didn't believe in Him ( John 7:5). Further exploration indicates that God must reveal Jesus to a person ( Matt. 16:17). May He enlighten our minds today as we ponder His Word.
No translation into any language is likely to be 100% accurate in its translation. However, based on information that I trust, it is my understanding that the KJV translators used manuscripts of the original languages that were accurate. And the KJV translators endeavored to do a faithful word for word translation in so much as they used italics where they added a word here or there to make the language flow.
I am convinced that God has cared for His Word down through the centuries so that today we have tools like interlinears and concordances based on manuscripts that are accurate down to the very jot and tittle. So that we can check out the KJV translation. And there are a few instances where the KJV could have done a bit better job. But these are few and far between in my understanding.
I also believe that God has allowed information for those that want to quibble as to the Authority and Accuracy of the Word of God to their own detriment.
The KJV is itself went through a number of revisions. The version currently published by the Trinitarian Bible Society contains [rightly or wrongly] words and phrases found in NO GREEK MANUSCRIPT.
My earlier question re the source of the words "of Christ" in Romans 1:16 is an example of this issue.
As far as I am able to ascertain NO Greek MS has those words. The earliest I have found is in the 1519 Greek and Latin New Testament of Erasmus. Those words, "of Christ" in Romans 1:16 may be one of Erasmus's 'conjectural emendations'.
I will continue to research that source.
Allow me to add that the translation philosophy employed by the translation committees of the KJV is probably THE BEST POSSIBLE, notwithstanding the occasional failures in applying that philosophy.
NUNC VIVAMUS
God has always look to the heart of mankind, Psalms 51:6 Jeremiah 17:10 Deuteronomy 30:6
The heart is the birthing room of thoughts, desires, passion, emotion, endeavors, intellect, the seat & center of our very being.
It is here that God seeks to work out our sanctification, by cleansing us from what the corruptible seed has planted within us (devil), by the incorruptible Seed, the washing of the Water of the Word, the engrafted Word, Christ, who is able to save our immortal souls. This is refer to in 2Thess 2:4 who exalts himself against the knowledge of God, the Incorruptible Seed, & who's temple we are, is to whom we obey, Rom 6:16,17 "obey from the heart", the Light / Grace that shines the glory & the knowledge of God, the Incorruptible Seed, the revelation of Jesus Christ within all the hearts & minds of mankind, brings us to the new birth, that's of the Spirit John 1:13 John 3:6, therefore we are to 2Cor 10:5,6 meaning cast the devil out by picking up the Cross & denying, mortifying & crucifying self; Rom 2:29
Part 1.
Salvation Is Step One
Salvation, which is when you come to know Jesus Christ, is only the beginning of our journey with Christ. God in Christ bled and died for our sins. It was through that act that He birthed repentance into His kingdom. Now, there's a new life that goes into eternity.
However, there is so, so, so much more to our faith.
The Apostle Paul wanted God's people to understand this, so he wrote about it many times in the New Testament. One of those times is found in Romans.
"I am speaking in human terms because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification." Romans 6:19
Sanctification is a very theological-sounding word, so what does it mean?
Sanctification: being made or becoming holy. To sanctify is to literally be set apart for particular use in a special purpose or work.
John Wesley said, "The people are not happy because the people are not holy." In other words, to be holy is to be fully set apart for the purpose of God, which is the purpose of living into your design as a creation of God.
Wesley believed the doctrine of entire sanctification was Methodism's distinctive gift to Christianity. He called it "the great promise of God" [IV. 138], Christian perfection, the holiness of heart and life. Christ's death on the cross made it possible not only for sinners to be saved by grace but for us to be saved to the uttermost.
Wesley believed that sanctification was our restoration of the image of God within us, through Jesus Christ, by being made perfect in love toward God and our neighbor.
Here's a common sense statement: We walk faster when we see plain, definitive steps before us. With God's help and through the revelation of His Word, God will empower us to take these steps in our sanctification.
See Part 2.
Part 2.
What is Sanctification?
1) Sanctification Is The Gift of the Fullness Of Your Salvation
Salvation is not a static, one-time event in our lives. The ongoing experience of God's gracious presence transforms us into who God intends us to be. It's a movement that God opens in the believer's life and the ongoing experience of God's gracious presence working through His word to transform our hearts.
"If he gives you the grace to make you believe, he will give you the grace to live a holy life afterward."
- Charles Spurgeon
John Wesley described this dimension of God's grace as sanctification or holiness. Through God's work of sanctifying grace, we grow and mature into our ability to live Christ-centered and grace-empowered lives that reflect the very heart of God, not only in and for us but through us for others.
As we pray, study the Scriptures, fast, worship, and share in fellowship with other Christians, we deepen our experience and knowledge of love for God.
As we share Christ with nonbelievers, respond to human needs with compassion, or labor to set people free from oppression-we join Jesus on mission and are, at the same time, being conformed to His image.
All the while, God is working in our inner thoughts and motives, as well as our outer actions and behavior, to align them with God's will and testify to our union with Him.
We're to press on, with God's help, on the path of sanctification toward perfection. By perfection, Wesley did not mean we would not make mistakes or have weaknesses. Instead, it is a continual process of being made perfect in our love of God and each other and removing our desire to sin. Then, when we discover the joy of the Lord, our desire for sin is diminished.
See Part 3.
Part 3.
What God does in sanctification is give us more of Himself. He is the gift of the fullness of our salvation.
2) Sanctification Is Not Works Righteousness
I have an acquaintance from Knoxville, Tennessee, who was a senior pastor at a Presbyterian Church. He participated in a prayer summit and came to know Christ during that time. Strange, right? A man in the pulpit, teaching God's Word, and by his own testimony, God brought the revelation of Jesus during that prayer summit.
If it can happen to a Presbyterian minister, it can also happen to you.
Until a person knows Jesus, the kind of joy, happiness, and holiness we've described is impossible. Minister James H. Aughey said, "Holiness is not the way to Christ; Christ is the way to holiness."
Entire sanctification is not an achievable goal but a gift to be received. Like justification, sanctification is the gracious gift of God received by faith.
"I have continually testified in private and in public that we are sanctified as well as justified by faith. And indeed, one of those great truths does exceedingly illustrate the other. Exactly as we are justified by faith, so are we sanctified by faith. Faith is the condition, and the only condition, of sanctification, exactly as it is of justification. It is the condition: None is sanctified but he that believes; without faith, no man is sanctified. And it is the only condition: This alone is sufficient for sanctification. Everyone that believes is sanctified, whatever else he has or has not. In other words, no man is sanctified till he believes: Every man when he believes is sanctified." John Wesley.
We see very clearly in the writings of Wesley that this is a faith based upon Scripture. He also maintained that he was preaching no new doctrine but simply recovering an old doctrine that the Church had long forgotten. With great zeal, Wesley and the early Methodists obeyed God's call "to spread Scriptural holiness over the land.
See Part 4.
Part 4.
3) Sanctification Is The Gift of Being Perfected In Love.
"Entire sanctification, or Christian perfection, is neither more nor less than pure love; love expelling sin and governing both the heart and life of a child of God. The Refiner's fire purges out all that is contrary to love, and that many times by a pleasing smart. Leave all this to Him that does all things well, and that loves you better than you do yourself." John Wesley, Letters to Mr. Walter Churchey, of Brecon
How is one sanctified? Wesley often had to defend this doctrine against charges of preaching some form of works righteousness.
"It is thus that we wait for entire sanctification; for a full salvation from all our sins, from pride, self-will, anger, unbelief; or, as the Apostle expresses it, 'go on unto perfection.' But what is perfection? The word has various senses: Here it means perfect love. It is love excluding sin; love filling the heart, taking up the whole capacity of the soul. It is love 'rejoicing evermore, praying without ceasing, in everything giving thanks.'" John Wesley, Sermon 43, The Scripture Way of Salvation.
To take on God's character is to take on a heart at peace.
To take on God's character is to take on a Spirit of joy.
To take on God's character is to take on Love. And not just any love, but the endowment of perfect love and the abiding fullness of the Holy Spirit.
When Christ comes into your life, He takes your dead spirit and makes it alive. Therefore, faith in Christ is not merely your arrival but your new beginning in a new world.
Why do we say that sanctification makes us blameless, not faultless? Because the Grace of God working in us does not make us infallible. Sin has so perverted our moral and spiritual powers that we shall never in this present life be free from the infirmities of human nature.
The only perfection possible on earth is the perfection of love.
See Part 5.
Part 5.
Salvation, which is when you come to know Jesus Christ, is only the beginning of our Christian journey.
Sanctification: being made or becoming holy. To sanctify is to literally be set apart for particular use in a special purpose or work.
What is Sanctification?
Sanctification Is The Gift of the Fullness Of Your Salvation
Sanctification Is Not Works Righteousness
Sanctification Is The Gift of Being Perfected In Love.
Written By Rev. Paul Lawler.
One of the Quakers beliefs, Rom 8:14 a continuous revelation of God's will; correct!
This is the 2nd time you admonish me to pay attention, ok; lets look at the Scripture you refer too!
Gal 1:15-17 "call me by His Grace, to reveal His Son in me" Which is John 1:9 Titus 2:11 God spiritual appearance within him, both Scriptures says to "ALL MANKIND" so everyone has this experience, which is fulfilling 2Cor 4:6
What was Paul doing in Arabia? Living & working just like we do, its in our everyday ordinary experiences in life that God works out His great salvation, the sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience & sprinkling of the Blood/Life of Jesus within us, which is the washing of regeneration & renewing in the Holy Spirit, as we seek to be led by the Spirit of God everyday to know His holy will. Matt 6:11 the revelation of Jesus Christ, diffusing the fragrance of His knowledge in "EVERY HEART".
Friend, your missing out on your personal revelation of Jesus Christ unto you! That you may experience 1John 1: 1-4
2Thess 3:9 for them to follow their examples requires them to be enlighten & empowered by the same Power that they themselves walk in, though everyone doesn't walk in the same measure of the Power, according to their calling within His body. 1Cor12:18
This answers your opinion, what are the ministries for?
I, by no means are saying that God has not a purpose for these gifts that He has given, but they must be subjugated in their proper places. 1Cor12:25 is this case in the government structure of today's Christianity? No, by no means!
Christ is the Head, who speaks directly to the whole body. John 1:9 Titus 2:11 1John 2:27 Isa 54:13 John 16:13 Hebrews 8:10,11 which happens in our everyday ordinary life experiences in relationships, works etc; that God maybe Col 1:18
In Love & Truth
I wanted to emphasize that I sense this may take a while to resolve; but that also your relationship with her whatever it is I pray she will see God at work. I feel that I should mention that it is fairly certain that at least one person will understand the error of their ways that she is influencing and repent; God will use this situation for His Glory somehow.
Any further details as to what I should pray would be helpful. I am concerned for you and ask the Lord that you will not be oppressed by any entities that are affecting her.
Agape; RIch P
At about 16 or 17 yrs old I was constantly having a strong urge to curse, blaspheme and disrespect God and anything about him. I followed Satan and did a lot of bad things to myself and others. I soon decided that doing what I was doing tearing up scripture, burning bibles wasn't the life I wanted. I became so evil I could not sit or be inside a church without my eyes burning. A few yrs later I had an urge to go to church again and that Sunday morning was sitting with the congregation and as the pastor gave the best sermon I have ever heard I felt jesus's hand on my shoulder then seconds later I rose out of my seat and walked to the alter and accepted christ as lord and saviour of my life after spending the first part of my life following Satan I ran Jesus's open arms and he led me through the right path.
Anyone that thinks the devil controls their life will continue with it unless you come to realize Jesus Christ is God and nothing will stand in his way if someone wants to go to him. Tell Jesus everything give him everything we owe him our lives.
I translate those words into a prayer inviting Christ to dwell in the very midst of my heart as a fragrant odor, as an encouragement for my spirit to keep my mind on the things above, and as a refreshment to draw from for the new day to walk in, for each day has its own evil to contend with.
I am so thankful for help of the Holy Spirit as He leads me in the way that God would have me go... In Jesus' Name I pray...Amen.
Bless you all in Christ!!!
Thanks.
Anyway that example shows me how disjointed we are in general with the lives and actions of those who have committed themselves to Christ (with the New Covenant scripturally); as well as with a public statement of faith for church membership.
Our actions affect ourselvs; our children but also others who we fellowship with. It seems that a lack of judgment is a bigger problem today; with very few admonishing others; or building one another up as iron sharpens iron today.
Another issue is that we see a symptom with a person's behavior but not necessarily the root causes. It reminds me of a lady today in a personal care facility who was very testy and had a few unseemly words to say in anger; but admitted that she was going through spiritual attack and responded well in prayer; and was willing to seek forgiveness. As with anything else we cannot change anyone; merely explaining the problem isn't enough; the Spirit must work in the person; or through us to convict the soul of the individual. We also run the risk of focusing on someone's eccentricities (such as an annoying personality) and can judge something as sinful when it really isn't. As others stated we need to show the love of Christ; those who are His children will sense when we are genuine in concern. Hope some of this helps outta room!!!
Romans 4:19-25.
And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
He staggered not at the PROMISE of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
And being fully persuaded that, what he had PROMISED, he was able also to perform.
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
NOW IT WAS NOT WRITTEN FOR HIS SAKE ALONE, that it was imputed to him;
BUT FOR US ALSO, TO WHOM IT SHALL BE IMPUTED, if we BELIEVE ON HIM THAT RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD;
Who was delivered for OUR OFFENCES, and was raised again for OUR JUSTIFICATION.
Galatians 4:28
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of PROMISE.
Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:16-19.
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by PROMISE.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
CONCLUSION
Galatians 3:27-29.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Genesis 22:18.
God bless.
So the problem is not seeing my brothers fault, we must be blind not to see it. But with what intention do I see it? To condemn or to correct? Without love there can be no help to them.
And one final thing. It is better not to see my brother's fault at all if that can cause a problem/judgement in my heart for him. Let it go, don't think about it at all. Mainly we must protect our hearts from wrong doing, like judgement. If I can not carry a load, let's not carry it at all.
GBU