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Further insights on prophecy: Conspiracies vs fulfillment

The line of demarcation exists when we consider 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. For now; the gates of hell do not prevail against the church ( Matt. 16:18); but in the Tribulation or time of Jacob's trouble they will be overcome ( Rev. 13:7; Daniel 7:25). While we remain as salt and light the putrification is held back along with the final fulfillments of prophecies.

Ezekiel 38 is something geopolitically that seems to have aligned uniquely with Iran; Turkey and Russian agreements. As with anything else; those who look to the current war in Ukraine or any other conflicts basically are repeating centuries old patterns.

The downfall of currencies also seems to have been thwarted temporarily as of the last few days; apparently some small countries are utilizing the dollar more; and there seems to be both a new gold standard backed currency with the BRICS nations; and the concept of electronic currency concurrently happening; for now. Certainly there are harbingers of things to come. The recent lowering in prices of gold and silver (See Zephaniah 1:18; Ezekiel 7:19; and James 5:3) could indicate a collapse either just before the Tribulation and or during it (perhaps further enforced by Antichrist). To have the Mark of the Beast all other trade methodologies must be cancelled; I don't believe that can happen prior to the Rapture of the church in entirety.

Isaiah 8:12 reminds us not to call everything "conspiracy" that everyone else says is. The two dangers we have are thinking everything is an indication that the end has come; OR belittling the literal final fulfillment after all the predictions of the past proved false. Such could of course be argued with verses such as 1 Cor. 15:52 on the Rapture (Rapturo in Latin). Full Preterists think everything happened by 70 AD. Most think it was partially fulfilled; which again makes the most sense with a literal interpretation of the texts.

More to come...

Greetings in Christ S Spencer

See, I did not disagree of you, I only meant to remember the James 2:10's preaching.

Also Paul Apostle said: Galatians 4:22-25 and 29-30

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage(of the Enemy) with her children.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the Scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

What was the population of Israel in the time of the prophet Elijah? Million(s)? But GOD said: 18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him-1Kings.19:18

1Kings 20:15 - 15 Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered ALL THE PEOPLE, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand. (The others were of the rebel Israel idolater, in Revelation synagogue of Satan, and in John 8:44, sons of ...

Sorry but I dont know the verse.But when Jesus called the disiples he said come he did not say Peter come.Beacuse he said Lazers *sorry for mispelling* just he came.If he said come everyone dead around whould come.

I'm dealing with sin and facing consequences for it. I want to become responsible and change my ways. I need help with trusting in the Lord. I struggle with trust. Would appreciate prayer.

SSpencer

Yes, "to atonement of sin GOD requires perfection", so to understand this deeply mystery of redemption then the Word of GOD takes us millennia back, i.e. to Genesis, and describes for millennia the battle between GOD and the DEVIL in the process of redemption of man through the birth of "a perfect Lamb" , our Lord JESUS Christ, who still was in the bosom of the Father.

That said, only the Omnipotence and Omniscience of GOD could provide a perfect Plan for MAN's salvation that was raptured by the Devil,even in the garden of Eden(a clue:Matt.23:35 combined with John 8:44).Having happened an usurpation of GOD's creation by the Devil, a former and superpowerful Cherub, even in the garden of Eden,then GOD Almighty made a long term Plan of works(6 Days/6 millenniums) to redeem His creation in six Days, i.e. to redeem His created man from the Devil's power, and the first step to start His Plan of restoration, was to clothe Adam and Eve decently, by a GOD's clothe, replacing the leaves of the fig tree - the clothe that was derived from the former Cherub, the Devil, the fig tree, that is the MAN of sin, the tree of good and evil.

After this, the Omnipotent GOD make the same Devil's captived Adam and Eve bring forth Abel,a keeper of sheep, and Eve was silent, and said nothing. But before Abel,was born Caim and Eve said:"I have gotten a man from the Lord".It's false, Eve lied terribly;Caim was of Devil- 1John 3:12

Satan knew Abel was GOD's seed, so he killed Abel. GOD's Plan was to seek a godly seed";Adam knew his wife again; Eve bare a son-Seth-,saying: GOD has appointed me another seed instead of Abel whom Cain slew. And to Seth there was born a son; Enos, then began men to call upon the NAME of the Lord. Genesis 5 describes the generation of the godly seed that GOD did seek until Noah, 1656 years after Adam.

Later(2080 after Adam)was born Abraham;2500 years after Adam was born Moses, the battle against Satan is more strong and intense. GOD's works continues

Approaching the end: Convergence of truth and lie

In the infinite counsels of God; it has been predetermined for Satan to reach the pinnacle of his insane world rule; where for a period of 42 months all authority is given to him to conquer the saints; to enforce a worldwide "mark" of ownership; and finally have all the unregenerate worship him. No doubt this upcoming reign is known by the enemy of our souls; who naturally will take credit for himself for fulfilling all the prophecies of the "Maitreya" or 12th Imam (and no doubt his chosen vessel the Antichrist will take credit for things himself as well ( 2 Thess. 2:4).)

The New Agers already have the "reeducation" program for mankind as a set event in the near future (i.e. us being taken out and removed from the earth). It wouldn't surprise me that Christ Himself as well as His armies (us) will be considered alien invaders when the Battle of Armageddon commences (see Psalm 2; Revelation 19).

It has been brought up that people will become more religious rather than less as the Lord's coming approaches. Clearly as I have stated many times by the sixth seal Atheism will cease (although perhaps it will increase until the Rapture).

Whether a "self fulfilling" prophecy; or something attempted by man to speed up events false signs and wonders will eventually be lauded as true when Antichrist appears to fulfill everyone's expectations. We see the power vacuum that exists in Europe since the great dictators of World War two setting the stage for the rise of One World Government; and we see evolving groups of nations or world regions that will; for the "hour" in the Tribulation only "receive a Kingdom" sharing willingly their authority with the Beast. ( Rev. 17:13).

When the timing is off; we have seen what appeared to be Babylon rising in the early 1990s in Iraq; for instance. We saw the 10 Nation EU grow to 13; but the final fruition likely is a 10 region league in the Mediterranean or 10 world regions.

Alex,

Most of what you have communicated in this post is good analysis of the relationship between the bronze serpent and the work of Christ on the cross. The last part about the Man/Child I firmly disagree with.

This account of Moses erecting up the bronze serpent is a shadow pointing to Christ on the cross who became sin for us so that the sting of the law of sin and death would not have victory over us anymore.

Hi Jema, Agreed.

I do think that how contemporary music is presented in many churches today reflect to way present generations have been exposed to the music styles and special effects of worldly music. Certainly MTV and those that followed influenced how music is presented. Performances have become increasingly more and more visual sometimes even overpowering the vocals. Christian musicians, music directors, church leaders have approved the usage of these worldly aspects of music more and more.

I grew up in the era where music concerts began to be prevalent. I went to a few as a teenager (in the 70's). As an adult I pretty much rejected indulging in secular music. I went to a few Christian concerts (back in the 80's). Even then I was put off by the emphasis among the crowd of adulation of the performers. So I stopped going to these concerts. Then after 2000 I was invited to go to a few Christian concerts and was overwhelmed by the special effects. The light show, smoke, and big screen images of the performers with them dancing and jumping around the stage seemed to me to be less about God and more about the performers and the performance. After enduring a few of these and feeling literally sick, I said, "No more". Then this style was showing up in the churches during services. Uuuugh!

I say all this because the way "sacred" music is being presented in churches today has a direct correlation to the way people were groomed for it when they were growing up. It saddens me greatly, because like you, musical worship should be all about God and none about self. It should reflect that we deem God and His name as "hallowed" and that coming before Him in worship should be spiritual, not carnal. This does not mean that we cannot sing with vigor and gladness and use many types of instruments and differing music styles. Rather, the use of these things should always put the focus on God and exalt Him from the heart as well as with our voice, hands, and instruments.

You say that your husband has died , I'm so sorry . You are not responsible for his behaviour and he isn't responsible for yours . It can break our hearts when someone we love turns away from our God . You must try to move on , you are still here , God wants you to be alive today . He hasn't finished showing you His lovingkindness yet , try to enjoy the rest of your life that God has granted you , stay strong in your faith , cling to your God and He will bless you every day . Thank Him and trust Him and He will give you happy days in His love .

I agree with you , any songs or music in a church should glorify and praise God alone , not those performing it , they are trying to glorify themselves and feed their own egos and please people and themselves . It totally detracts from what a church service should be , which is to the glory of God and to honour Him .

Numbers 21:8.....God tells Moses that he wd have to make a bronze Serpent and put him on a pole and when someone was bitten they wd have to behold the Bronze Serpent....Is this not a picture of the Church that gets bit sometimes but if we behold the lamb of God that taketh away the Sin of the world.....Our snake bite is not fatal....Jesus said that as Moses lifted up a Serpent in the wilderness Even so must the son of man be lifted up..... John 3:14.....What Moses did in the wilderness with that bronze Serpent equates to what God did with the lamb of God.....We are still in the wilderness.....We have not got to the Promise land yet we are still in the wilderness of Sin and sometimes we get bit....But here is Romans 8:2.....The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made free from the law of snake bite and death......Sin and death.....Thats y Jesus is saying Even as Moses lifted up a serpent in the wilderness even so must the Son of man be lifted up.....Jesus answers to the bronze Serpent.....But now under this New Covenant we behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world.....What Moses did in the wilderness with that bronze serpent made Israel free FROM the law of SNAKE BITE AND DEATH.....But what Jesus did at Calvary by his blood is gonna make Humanity free from Sin and death...As John said behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world....The manchild which is the H.G. is gonna reprove this whole world of sin and Judgement and Righteousness.....Which is the result of this New Covenant the blood of the lamb from Calvary.....Thats y Jeremiah saw all the world in travail and Child birth Jere 30:6 ...The Children are spirits an Israel of God....Thats y it is saying a time of Jacobs troubles impling an Israel of God...Simply b/c the H.G. is that Israel of God.....That Heavenly Jacob the 3 rd person.....Ya gotta realize that Jesus sows a greater seed then Abraham......A heavenly seed impling spirits...Born of the spirit is spirit.

Salvation

Romans 3:10,12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:there is non that seeketh after God.

Psalms 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

1 Corinthians 1:27,28 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Just turned 61 I was able to stay longer while I was at but unfortunately time is running out please pray that an opportunity I can pitch a tent somewhere yes I'm a child of God and also pray for the other people that they can't afford their places there's a lot of people rent so high thank you

Your hair is given you for a covering, don't cut your hair and you are always covered.

Need prayers for deliverance from family bondage and hindrances. Divine breakthrough ad God's guidance.

In the name of Jesus, I speak against the thoughts of Dementia and self-guilt. I speak a loving, joyful, happy, healthy long life for you sister. Please read MARK 5:25-34. God is so awesome. He wants nothing more than for you to be happy. You can do all this things through Christ.

Pray for your enemy ( Matthew 5:44) I promise it works every time. Watch God work

Do not give up on praying about your situation, I promise God hears you. I completely understand why you feel the way you feel. Ask God to open your eyes to the truth, but this is the key do not ignore the truth that God reveals to you. As a wife I feel for you. Be strong in the Lord. There is no problem too big for him.

Hello, I have a heavy heart, When I meet my husband, he knew the Bible very well. for a point in his life people would tell him that JESUS wasn't the son of God he was just a Messager. I was starting to feel some kind of way about this because I know God let Jesus die on the cross for our sin and I know he is the Father the son and the holyspirt that made me upset to hear that from him. In 2021 my husband Got covid and he pass away 2022 he was in the ICU for 1month but before he went in the hospital a week before that, he says Jesus isn't the son of God and he walk away, so I am putting up the Christmas tree and he said I don't care about no Christmas. Now before all of this unbelief my husband made a big cross out of wood and put light on it every year, he put it out in the yard. When he was in the hospital, I ask him do you know Jesus is the son Of God he said yes, and do you know he came down and die for our sin. I need some help because I don't know about this feeling. Thank You for listening.

People think just because they use Yewah name when they play their music it doesn't mean they are saved. I am so sickening when the church let their peoples come in the house of God and sing Rap. I don't understand Church music is to make your soul happy, peaceful. I think that kind of music is not the place in the home of God to me, just saying, comment on the Richard H Priday.

Strangely enough that debate along with that of the veracity or lack thereof of the moon landing came into a contentious discussion at my small group. Isaiah 40:22 talks about the "circle" of the earth; and there are verses such as Luke 17:34-36 which discuss those asleep (in night) and those awake working during the day in the field. This shows the different time zones. The seasons also make things pretty clear; it is winter in the southern hemisphere and summer in the northern currently; vice verse in 6 months. This surely shows the nearly spherical (in reality slightly pear shape) of the earth. The fact that there is 6 months of light and darkness in each pole which gradually reduces in length and the sun at it's highest point is lower than anywhere else shows evidence as well; and also indicates the 23 degree tilt of the earth (hence the sun only shines straight up to the south of the tropic of cancer; north of capricorn.

Movement of stars with it's annual cycle coming back to where it started also shows how the earth rotates around the sun in close to 365 days (leap year bringing things closer to exact measurement). Again; creful examination of the scriptures is needed; as indeed the sun does move through the solar system while we and other planets rotate around it. The local star group moves through local constellations; in turn the whole galaxy moves in a circle as well as through space (with upcoming Andromeda "collision" predicted in some millions of years from now.

Tidal forces are not just on the earth but on the moon (whose curvature is obvious). We also see in Job an indication of the hydrological cycle (moving of course in opposite directions for cyclone and anticyclone between the northern and southern hemisphere) such as indicated in Job 28:26 and other verses.

I'm not sure of other verses; this is more of a logic argument here. Obviously; if the world was flat gravity would be disproportionate. Hope some of this helps.

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Dear Debra , I'm so sorry to hear of your plight , you don't give much information so I'll ask a few questions . Did you get to know this man well before you married him ? Has he just become like this or was this always part of his character ? I don't know how old you two are , people can and do change , if they want to , younger people especially . I'm in my fifties and I'm not the same person I was ten , twenty , thirty and forty years ago , neither is my husband . Change does take time though . If you are both young and in love then you must learn to work it out together with God's help . I know Christian wives are supposed to submit to their husbands but that doesn't mean you have to be a doormat . My husband has the last word on everything but , he listens to me and knows when I'm right and he's wrong and admits it , but it's taken us over twenty years to build our relationship to get it where it is today . You mustn't allow anyone to blackmail you . If you allow someone to disrespect you as a human , as a woman and as a Christian , they will keep doing it . You must first pray about all of these things , tell your Heavenly Father your worries , ask Him to intervene on your behalf , ask Him to open and soften your husband's heart . Be stronger in Christ , learn to stand up to him without disrespecting him . Learn to be assertive but not aggressive . It's not easy and it will take time but you must start as you mean to go on . Many people mistake kindness for weakness , show your husband that you are a loving wife but not a weak one . Be consistent and don't let him bully you , you are not a doormat , you are a Christian wife .

Thanks Giannis,

Because of the large input on this subject, I wanted to really study this section of Romans 7 and 8 carefully to understand it with an open mind.

Good Evening Alex,

Glad to see that you changed you name ID back to Alex from Pierre. I know you have good by several screen names int he past months: Nocal, Alex N, and also one that I think was your last name. It helps for people to stick with one name over time.

I know you said that your daughter changed yours to Pierre. It is good that you changed back to Alex for those of us who share this forum with you I hope you are doing well. Even though I rarely find anything in your posts that I can agree with, I do care for you and pray for you almost every day. Be blessed, Alex.

HI all, I'm new to this, so let me just ask the question, towit: Is there anywhere in the Bible that can be used to quell the argument that the Earth is FLAT?? There seem to be SO MANY folks that think we live on a disk of some sort, that it's not funny anymore.

Of course they can't answer the simple question of WHAT is at the edge of this disk, but if anyone could help answer my question, it would be much appreciated.

AKM

Hi Lodebar,

Thanks for sharing your life saving testimony, God does miracles John 14:13. Amen

im trying to get my life on track with god turn away from all my sins repent pick up my cross and follow christ

Hi Richard,

So sorry to hear. I would think God's house would be spending it's resources on saving souls..not entertainment.

There are so many souls crying out to be helped/saved in our streets today, and probably just as many sitting in churches being entertained.

Only God can correct this mess .

All I can say is we need to pray a lot for Christs intervention, and help whoever we can at this point.

GBU

I married a man this past August and I feel he only uses me for my money and my help. I need prayer to know that he truly loves me. He lets me pay the bills and never buys me anything to show me he cares. We are both Christians and I don't understand how he can let me pay his bills with money I work hard for. Everything I own was paid for before I married him. I feel if I don't do what he wants or I gain weight he will put me on the road as he has told me this many times. I don't know what to do as I love him. I pray but noting is changing. I need to know he loves me for me and not for what I can do for him. Please pray for me as my heart hurts when he tells me he could make me leave. He tells me he loves me but I'm not sure! Isn't the man suppose to take care of the woman? Please pray with me.