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Thank you brother S. Spencer for that good pertinent word. This is indeed "where the cross comes in" - the Old Covenant with its Laws are out, as the Lord of Heaven ushers in the New ( Hebrews 8:13). And by bringing in the New, His Gift of the Spirit interprets the whole Law of God to our hearts (way beyond what was once delivered to Israel). Israel had no power to keep the Law & obey God. God had spoken directly to them, led them, kept them, & blessed them beyond imagination. But they despised the Holy One & the Law that served to bring them to brokenness, repentance & looking for a Redeemer, instead hardened their hearts towards God & ultimately to His Son.

But to those who "received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name"; and "God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." How God would have longed to hear His Name being passionately called upon by Israel, His very own! But to His elect, & the redeemed of the LORD, that is our constant cry & continual appeal, to a loving merciful Father Who has laid no burden upon us, but that through faith we should be saved & given power to trust His Word & obey Him. Such is the glory of the New Covenant with His Laws written in our hearts, knowing clearly what the Lord expects of us. Sorry for the rambling - I still remain amazed as to what was achieved at the Cross for us & all that we receive from Heaven ( Ephesians 1). How much more for the Jew, those whose eyes of understanding are opened & the yearning of their hearts now fully realized in Christ their Savior. Thank you for adding this to our present thoughts on this subject.

Thank you for your responses to those Scriptures, Bro. Dan. I guess we will have to leave off interpreting those Scriptures, indeed all that speak of the Law, since we'll never come to agreement of which Law, its timing & purposes, that is being referred to.

But just back to Romans 8:1-4; what do you think Paul meant when he wrote that he was "made me free from the law of sin and death?' 'Free', I understand to mean, 'set at liberty, released'. The Greek, implies, 'set free from another's control'. Clearly, "the law of sin and death" applies to the Ten Commandments & its associated regulations & punishments. Paul wrote that he had been freed from its control & deathly grip (for that was its purpose), because he was now "in Christ Jesus" (v1). And he further wrote, that "the law of the Spirit of (this) life in Christ Jesus", was the very law that freed him, giving him a new law to abide by in his new life in Jesus. There was nothing wrong with the origin, veracity & great value of the old Law, it's just that it kept men (Israel) bound to it with no hope of release - only showing them the 'sinfulness of their sin' ( Romans 7:13).

And to those, like Paul, who by the help of the Spirit came to understand this Truth, found that there was actually a release from law's bondage which left men corrupt & hell-bound; & the release was found only in Christ Jesus who took that Law, perfectly fulfilling it in His Life right up to the Cross, & abrogating it forever. If it wasn't canceled, Christ's death would be worthless & His coming in vain. If we resort to that which only brought death, even to syncretize it with that which now gives life & liberty, what a horrible mess we have. I find it incredible why believers cannot find their joy & confidence in abiding by the Word & Ministry of the Spirit alone, rather finding a little more comfort in having a set of rules to follow. The Spirit deals with each one of us in a special way, which no set of rules ever could. Blessings.

Dear god the Father in heaven. Thank You for understanding all things. And as we pray in the holy name of Jesus Christ, we know that Your promises will strike someday according to Your will, Lord! Thank You also for our lives, our sleep, our anxieties, and our family. Then we know that we work not in vain. Strengthen us in our spirit, soul, and body. So we see how much You love us. This is how we never lose hope, but love to do Your will God. Amen

Remember and stand on the promises of the Lord "John ray". In His time, the Lord will give you answers to prayer. And believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you and your household shall be saved, Amen. And dont forget That youngsters need Its time them, like us grown ups.

Love u in Christ. Take care of your heart, Life itself proceeds from it. 1 Corintihans 16 chapter.

Blessings to all! Please keep me, my husband, my kids/grandchild, and my intimate family in your prayers. I am praying for Divine direction, victory over trials and sufferings, more financial resources to aid others, for God to reveal His glory to us, and for the Holy Spirit to always dwell among us. I petition God to stop all evil intentions and to disgrace anyone who raises their filthy tongue against us. All negative spirits and attacks are bound by me. I grant God permission to reveal Himself as powerful and BIG in my life. I pray that extraordinary opportunities present themselves. I pray that we are always protected and blessed everywhere we go. I pray for those close to me for their household and families to be blessed in Jesus' Holy Name. I ask that the prayers of those who know they are righteous connect with me in prayer for these things and believe that IT IS SO, and IT IS DONE in Jesus' Name, AMEN!

Can people go fishing in Heaven whenever they want?

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Your strengthening the fig leaf covering here!

Chris, tell me, the experience you spoke of in your car, did you pull out your Strong's concordance for understanding, to correct your thoughts or for that matter to make you aware them? Or, was it the Light of God Spirit within you, that admonish you? Ephesians 5:13;

New life equated; being free from sin, not just in & of itself, but the best part, being partakers of the Divine Nature, union with John 17:21,22,23; Jesus came to show us the image & likeness that God created man in, Matt 11:29; Gal 5:22-24; this is the true dignity & glory of our creation, & how he took dominion over the earth. Mark 6:48,49; Mark 4:39-41; Matt 17:27; etc; fulfilling Gen 1:26 & will ultimately fulfill it through His body, the church, here on earth as it is in heaven.

I have not stated; as you're implying the perfecting of the body, physically, it still remains under the penalty of sin consequences. Yet can be pure & holy, being animated by the new birth & renewing of the mind by His Spirit; John 3:3-6; 1Thess 5:23,24; "wholly", not of position only, but possession.

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I mention; I Didn't advocate studying the Scriptures by carnal means, by the arts of natural science as you would for a vocation.

Doing this feeds the natural part in man, with a knowledge apart from the Life of God, nor can such knowledge give us the life of God, for how can it? The flaming swords which guards the Tree of Life only gives way to those who are led by the Spirit. 2Cor 3:6; The letter in any dispensation kills, giving him a form of godliness without the power to be truly godly. It a false form, promotes self righteousness, one doesn't come to 1John 1:1 in a personal encounter with the living God in Spirit, who would lead him to take up the cross, teach him to deny, mortify & crucify spiritual old man of sin, by the operation of the Spirit to the rebirth & renewing of the mind. Instead; it offers a fake cross that flesh carnal mind can easily carry & bare It doesn't separates him from 1John 2:16, but leaves him one in it. It takes away our dependence from God, Psalms 123:2; that God maybe all in all, for He alone is the blessedness of the creature.

I'm speaking not from hearsay, but from 27 yrs of personal experience, than in 2010 while in ministry school, God extended His outstretch Arm, encountering me again & slowly began opening the eyes of my heart, as I was able to bear it, to what I've been speaking of here, leading me to quit school & Luke 9:23

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OT promises, Isa 54:13 Jeremiah 31:33-34; confirmed in NT, Hebrews 8: 10,11,12; why is it that God doesn't remember their sins? Because He has cleanse them of all unrighteousness & has endue them with His Spirit & they sin no more. Jeremiah 32:39-41; The cause & effect of God teaching us Himself, & that by His Spirit John 14:13,14,15; with all His Heart & all His Soul; says the LORD, Selah.

Consider; it was not until the 14th or 15th century that these things became widely available, & then it was only to the learned & privilege. The Apostasy that the Apostles spoke of was already at work in their day & came into full maturity with the Roman Catholic's Rev17:2 for then the world was Rome. Daniel 2:40

Who taught Moses, etc; even Jesus John 7:15; the disciples etc; one educated, Paul & he Philippians 3:7,8,9,10; he relied on Philippians 1:19; What about all the people in time that didn't get a chance to learn how to read or were in the remote regions of the earth were the Scriptures were unavailable? Or hear the Good New being preach in the power of the Holy Ghost? His words are, "from the least to the greatest". His Spirit is able to reach them to the uttermost, even the blind, deaf, dumb-mentally, etc; Jeremiah 32:27;

Chris, everyone; consider these things. God is just, He's not going to condemn someone for something they did not know. Rom 1:17, which comes by Rom 10:17; which is in Rom 10:8; continue Rom 1:19; & that by His 1Cor 2:10; He's that Light that admonish you in the car, follow Him & He will lead ALL that do to the Father. He's the Treasure 2Cor 4:7 that's opens our understanding to the knowledge & the glory of God, it's the face of Jesus Christ.

You ask what define as sin? Rom 14:23;

In Love & Truth

Frankie J

Good evening.

I haven't been able to get away to participate by reading the bulk of the posts and replies on the 10 commandment topic.

I would like to mention a misunderstanding in the communication between the several views on this topic.

There's a difference in the 10 commandments being Holy and being justified by keeping them.

We say Israel failed to be a witness but is that totally accurate?

How did they fail? By not keeping the law?

Before anyone answer that I would like for us to consider a few things.

1) Israel keeps the Law far better than any nation ever has!!

2) The law was given to Israel. Romans 9:4. So they had a ministry to minister to the Whole world as "fleshly" Children of an active, living, Holy God.

This ministry was called ministration of death..

2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

They were examples for us and this is written to us.

They successfully showed the world what Paul stated in Romans 7:5-14.

The world is unable to be Justified by the Law.

3) To say Israel failed for not keeping the law is not exactly correct.

They failed by thinking they were justified by the law.( Not just the 10 commandments ) after all there were articles for certain sins.

They failed because they stumbled at that stumblingstone!

That's where they failed!!

Romans 9:31-33.

They all didn't fail, there was a remnant according to the election of grace and still is.

Romans 11:4-8.

vs 5) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant (ACCORDING TO THE ELECTION OF GRACE!)

This election is not determined by works.

In other words works wasn't elected as God's way to justify his people.

Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;

Yes the law is Holy and we all fail to be Justified by it, so we were all dead in trespasses and sins.

This is where the cross comes in.

Ephesians 2:1-5.

God bless.

Hello Richard,

This subject of God ordering all inhabitants of the people the Israelites were to conquer to be killed leads us to admit that we do not know all of the counsel of God in such matters and we are to believe that He is righteous in all of His ways. Even in such situations as this treatment of children we can believe that God has a better future for these young ones after death, especially in the resurrection. These children were in a sense, martyred due to the gross wickedness of their parents. It is not on the Israelites as the ones doing the killing, since God ordered it be so. But it is on the parents who, as Romans 1 states, knew of God and HIs great power and ability to create all things, but instead of worshipping Him rightly, they exchanged the truth of who God is for the deceptions of Satan that lured them into worshipping idols either they thought up, saw in nature, or were demons who manifested to them as beings they thought worthy of worship.

They surely knew of the ancient patriarch Noah who worshipped God rightly and Shem, and others who came from that very region who were their ancestors. Most likely the peoples of the area kept an oral and at times written accounts of these patriarchs that were kept as part of their history from generation to generation, just like the Israelites did. But the peoples corrupted this history, incorporating more fanciful stories and heroes that were not true to history.

But, when we come upon such disturbing accounts in the Scriptures of God ordering the slaying of children, we must admit that God is infinitely more wise and just than we ever could be. Since He is the one who can raise the dead, He knew that these children would be raised on the last day. We can have hope that children are covered by the blood of Jesus, despite their sinful state from conception and will be glorified with all of us in the last day. Jesus said to let the children come unot Him for such is the kingdom of heaven.

Thanks, brother Spencer,

Right back at you and all the dads here!

Difficult passages in scripture: ordered extermination of children

One of the most challenging things in the Bible is where God ordered the extermination of every man woman and child in conquest of the Promised Land. There is one fairly satisfactory reason why some were killed in this way; they were children of the union of fallen angels and women as first mentioned in Genesis 6; Nephilim which were NOT human and therefore were never to rise again; such as are indicated in Isaiah 26:14 (Rephaim in original translation). They would go to a certain part of the underworld at death.

All other examples seem to involve human children and thus is beyond our scope of full understanding. In fact; such verses make us cringe. Only putting God's Holiness at the forefront of our trust can allow us to deal with such a difficult; painful and weighty matter. Such verses which indicate the death penalty for things which we as a "civilized society" would consider cruel (such as adultery or the example brought up in another recent post in Numbers 15:32-36 on a man being stoned for picking up sticks on the Sabbath) are also examples of things which in the "Age of Grace" aren't enforced today. We could say the same for National Israel when it was a Theocracy; there may be some return in the Millennium or end of the Tribulation when God conquers enemies through His people once again; but I digress.

I would state at this juncture that there is enough scripture to indicate that the soul of a human child will NOT be sent to hell upon death- Matthew 18:10 is probably the most convincing along with the story of David's unborn child in 2 Samuel 12:23.

There is a principle that judgment comes only when a nation is fully ripe for it; such as the case of the Amorites in Genesis 15:16; Nineveh after a respite following repentance; and in Sodom where it is entirely possible there were few if any children.

I will continue this discussion in further posts.

The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath ( Matt. 12:8; also in Mark 2:28). This would legitimize commemoration of Christ on Sunday as the early church seemed to do. Naturally; we need to take seriously devoting time on Sunday as a day of rest if it is a substitute for the O.T. law; however being that we aren't to follow things dogmatically as Colossians 2:16 or Galatians 4:10-11 suggest it is clear that in the Age of Grace there is some latitude there. Also; it is the attitude of the hearts that dictates what would be necessary work as Matthew 12:11 indicates in the example of saving an animal from a ditch when Christ was confronted with healing on the Sabbath; or eating grains of wheat in the field (considered "work").

We need to consider what was going on in the Exodus years when there were strict orders on Manna as a sort of initial principle. There people were ordered to collect for two days on the Sabbath eve; which contradicted the normal daily routine where it would rot and they were specifically told NOT to save any. Such verses as the example in Numbers should at least have us soberly examine ourselves and how preoccupied we are when we come together as a local church. Some Reformed or OPC churches will not discuss anything outside scripture on Sundays. While that may be a bit too strict; all the endless banter which seems to be discussed before services in particular could use some serious editing. Not only does it detract from the sanctity of the fellowship but it keeps those needing prayer from expressing those needs; as well as squelching opportunities to offer prayers over the cacaphony. An attitude of prayer; as well as discussing the Word and God's attributes should be something the Pastor and Elders motivate people to do. A swift rebuke once in a while in convicting messages on that subject would probably be in order as well. Knowing how deep a conversation can go can quickly determine those who God has led to Disciple us or not

My prayer request is for my son he's 18 he knows about Jesus Christ but I don't think he shows interest in it he graduated about 18 days ago all day long today I was hoping that he was going to call me or text me he has not I thought it would be best to do it that way I'm in the middle of the narrow road in life and the wye road I understand about about the trials I know everything's my fault he gives us free will to choose I'm a wimp nobody cares about me he knows I don't want to be here anymore

The 10 Commandments and the Sabbath

There has been a good deal of commentary recently regarding the 10 commandments and whether or not they are for us today. I believe that they are absolutely part of the law of God, the entire Bible. And have not been set aside.

Now having said that, I believe that the fourth commandment to do no work on the 7th Day Sabbath is a very unique commandment. All of the other nine commandments are, in fact, a summary of God's moral law and have not been changed nor set aside. During the church age, these 10 Commandments were very often read to begin the worship service in Reformed churches. I believe that is a very good and very scriptural practice.

Now let's talk about the fourth commandment. The fourth commandment, to do no work of any kind on the 7th Day Sabbath became part of the ceremonial law system. And like all of the ceremonial laws they were pointing to some aspect of the Gospel. In the case of the forth commandment it is teaching that the True Gospel is a gospel of Grace Alone; and we are not to be trusting in any work that we do to become saved. Furthermore, as we read in Hebrews, Christ has performed ALL of the work to save us and has rested from that work.

We see how serious a matter this is as we read in Numbers the account of the man who picked up a few sticks on the 7th Day Sabbath. And what was his punishment for committing this seemingly Insignificant sin; I mean he wasn't out there cutting wood with a chainsaw or building a barn. He picked up a few sticks. And his penalty for doing this was DEATH by stoning.

I'm running out of space now, but when Christ arose on the FIRST DAY, all of the ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament were set aside. And we now have a Sunday Sabbath, the Lord's Day. Where we worship and do things related to the sending forth of the Gospel.

All of this can be demonstrated from scripture but I do not have the space nor time in this comment.

Amen Brother Jesse.

I'm glad you are doing well!

I want to wish you and all others that it may apply to.

Happy Father's day.

God bless you.

Hi Chris,

Here are my comments on the scripture you presented.

Jeremiah 31:33: God will put his Laws in our heart and minds. These would be the same 10 Commandments/Laws as well as the additional emphasis on those commands that Jesus added along with the additional Love your nieghbor command. John 13:34

"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."

Ecclesiastes 12:13: I think we agree for the most part that Gentiles have in fact received God's laws by by accepting the Gospel of Jesus Christ and becoming heirs of Abraham, and not only the original 10 but also the additional more comprehensive laws as discussed and clarified by Christ.

Mark 2:27: Yes, Jesus was talking to the Jews/Pharisees about the Sabbath, but now that we are Heirs of Abraham these laws also apply to us. I know we differ on this, but this is my belief based on scripture. Jesus was also talking to the Jews about the Gospel of the Kingdom but then gave it to the rest of the world, so all that believe become the heirs of Abraham/Israel.

And Revelation chapter 22: I agree that this Chapter is Jesus speaking to John, but I believe that Jesus is speaking of all the Commandments including His, and His Fathers - not just Jesus commandments that you referred. Also, hoping we both agree that Jesus is God and so then when Jesus states commandments - He is referring to all Commandments. I also do agree it is His Spirit that promotes us to willfully follow His commandments.

Regarding Romans 8:1-4 I'll reiterate the same comments I made to Giannis above. I agree that if we are Saved/Reborn Christians living our lives in conjunction with God's Holy Sprit that indeed is sufficient to receive salvation per the scripture. Very important: If, we are living by the Sprit we will be embracing God's/Jesus Commandments as the Spirit will certainly be directing us to do so, via God writing His laws in our body and mind.

GBU

Why God would choose to feed 5,000, or 4,000 is not only a miracle, but how and why is no disputation. Like all of Jesus works,His are so exceptional, with nothing comparable to His word! Only by His word! He calls all things into existence by His word. He creates life by His word. He raises the dead with His word! He holds all things together by His word.

Satan has no power than that which is given to Him by God. Even now as Satan and His followers have found their place in the congregation of believers. Soon, these places of worship will be silent and even so are now. It is impossible to serve God and man. These are the words of Jesus, as before those who yet believe shall soon see the judgment of God!

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." Repent and be Baptized

Hi GiGi,

Thanks for your responses, and sorry about my late replay. I appreciate your input on this discussion and I believe we agree on most scripture, including God's 10 Commandments/Universal Moral Law, and how it applies in our lives as born again Christians.

I also agree that Jesus taught us how to deal with the Sabbath as opposed to how he saw the Jews dealing with it at that time. He didn't deny the the Sabbath, but rather put it in the right perspective as you correctly mentioned with Matt 2:23-28. Jesus also took possession of it - by stating that He is the Lord of the Sabbath. Conversely, if Jesus didn't think it was necessary he could have simply said as much, but he didn't, he showed us how we should apply it in our lives. So I believe that the scriptures tell us that Jesus, the apostles, including Paul, and the Church did follow the Commandments and the Sabbath.

Gal 5:16 If we in fact truly walk with the Spirit , and worship God in Spirit - I believe we conform to all of God's commandments, as the Spirit will keep us on course. We will be aware of this, and when we deviate in sin, we can be forgiven through Christ, and get back up and walk in the Spirit. I believe our obedience to God's commands gradually becomes a lifestyle for us overtime.

So those that say they do not follow/adhere to God's 10 Commandments, seem to me, to be in conflict with walking/worshiping in the Spirit, because I believe God's Holy Spirit will stir us to keep His Commandments/Law, (written in our bodies and mind) and it will be impossible for a reborn Christian - not to follow - or want to follow Gods commands. I believe the Holy Spirit will continue work on Our Conscience to bring this about.

GBU

Hi Giannis,

I appreciate your feedback, and all of your input. Sorry for the late reply, The 2 posts that I deleted, (1) to you, and (1) to Chris was by accident. I could not see the 2 posts in the thread but could see them in my comments listed as waiting. It had been many hours so I thought I would copy those posts and then delete - and repost. In the process I lost the original posts, so I'm beginning to formulate new replies to repost. So I'm getting backed up a bit. I reposted to Chris, and now here for you. GiGi is also in queue.

For the most part I believe we are in agreement on most issues surrounding the ceremonial laws which have faded away, and God's 10 Commandments/moral laws are still in affect for Christians today. Jesus said as much, and even emphasized how intricate these laws are Matt 5:28 to open are eyes so that we can be very aware of our sin, and to repent, and refrain from our sin.

Regarding Romans 8:1-4 I agree that if we are Saved/Reborn Christians living our lives in conjunction with God's Holy Sprit that indeed is sufficient to receive salvation per the scripture. Very important: If, we are living by the Sprit we will be embracing God's/Jesus Commandments as the Spirit will certainly be directing us to do so, via God writing His laws in our body and mind per the New Covenant.

So in summary; I believe that a saved Christian will be following and applying God's Commandments in their lives via the conviction of God's Holy Spirit.

GBU

Rev. 12 :17.....And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF God AND HAVE the testimony of Christ Jesus....

Why wd this woman keep the commandments when she has the testimony of Jesus.....Simply b/c the Child she has given birth to is the testimony of Jesus.....Remember Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me....Her Child is the testimony of Jesus .....And its he that is born of God that cannot sin....Her Child that is born of God cannot SIN...PERIOD.....Thus the commandments are fulfilled.....She can keep the commandments without even trying simply b/c her Child is the H.G. and its impossible for her Child to sin......Her Child is the testimony of Jesus....Sin is the transgression of the law but this woman cannot sin simply b/c a Baby Christ has been born in her that cannot transgress the law.....Thus the commandments are fulfilled.....Not done away with but fulfilled in a perfect sense.....She is being led by a lil Child the H.G.....That Child of Promise...Multiplication of his seed. the living word....God has put the law in her heart in the form of a baby Christ the H.G.....Thats what he did at Calvary in his blood.....Made a New Covenant that can only be accessed by hearing his voice the living word....Thats y the scripture is saying the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death..... Romans 8 :2 kjv

Romans 3:31 kjv.....Do we make void the law by faith....NO....God forbid, we establish the law.....Simply b/c Christ is gona be born with in us by FAITH...A spiritual Pregnancy....The son of Man....And its he that is born of God with in us that cannot sin thus the law is established....Not I that lives but Christ that Lives in me....Paul

I cannot see Jesus breaking one of the 10 commandments.....

Amen sister, God does hear your prayers and Jesus proclaimed that he is not a respecter of persons, as you correctly interpreted that you don't have to be a pope or priest to access God's grace amen. He also said that when "two or more are gathered in my name I am in their midst" what a wonderful promise from Jesus. Pray faithfully in Jesus name sister and expect that God does indeed hear YOUR PRAYERS Amen.

Amen to you .

please remember me and my family today in your prayers , prayers for all the fathers

Thanks Bro. Dan for re-posting that previous comment. Looking at it more closely, these are my observances/responses.

Jeremiah 31:33: this is a new covenant with Israel that the LORD makes, where His Commandments are no longer on a tablet of stone but His Laws written upon their hearts. How does the LORD do this? Is it the same Ten Commandments now impressed deeply in their hearts or by the aid of the Spirit, enabling Israel to know ALL of His Commandments & have the power to obey them, which they didn't have before & with their eyes darkened? Romans 11:7-11.

Ecclesiastes 12:13: the Preacher writes about fearing God & keeping His Commandments. "Man" here must apply to Israel, since the Gentiles had never received any of God's Laws. But when the Gentiles did receive Christ (post Crucifixion/Ascension), learned of His Laws & subsequently received His Spirit, then yes, to fear God & keep His Commandments meant all of God's Commandments which included far more than the Ten: 'the Law of (from) the Spirit'; that 'which frees man from the Law of sin & death' (the Ten Commandments).

Mark 2:27: I see here that Jesus was talking with some Pharisees about the Sabbath. The Sabbath Day was given only to Israel, which has to be the 'man' spoken of. The Sabbath was never given to the Gentiles (Romans, Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians) who were living there at that time; at least we're not told whether they were required to observe the Sabbath Day when it came around.

And Revelation chapter 22: this whole chapter is about Jesus' Words with John. So 'his commandments' must refer to Jesus' Commandments & hence the right to the tree of life. Thus His Spirit gives us all we need to know & obey; it is by Christ's Blood & obedience to His Spirit that we 'gain entrance into the city', never by the Decalogue.

As well, I wrote a little to you on Romans 8:1-4, asking for your comment, if you so wish, as this passage is critical to understanding the Church's position with the Law. GBU

I need some prayers for my best friend Johanna I am really worried about her

If I broke some of the ten commandments would god forgive me?

Hi Chris,

I understand, and you've related your position that you don't feel the need to follow God's 10 Commandments (The Decalogue as your refer to it). You state that it is only for the Jewish People. Conversely, I truly believe the scripture solidly supports that the 10 Commandments were for all of mankind, a moral law, a law that tells everyone what sin is. When God made the New Covenant He said I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts. Jer 31:33. Same Law.

When Jesus came, he said he did not come to abolish the Law, he came to fulfill it.and Jesus followed the law and I believe that he does expect those of us that follow Him, to follow these same Laws, as He states this in so much scripture throughout the bible.

Ecclesiastes 12:13"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." This verse doesn't say for this is the whole duty of the Jewish people. It says: for this is the whole duty of man!

Regarding the 4th Commandment: Keep Holy the Sabbath. Mark 2:27"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:" Here again, this verse does not say the sabbath was made only for Jewish/Hebrew people.

I will leave you with one last verse, that I believe is targeted at those of us that wish to enter into the Kingdom of God.

Revelation 22:14"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

GBU

I read your latest response to mine but see that it has disappeared. But I would state that I have never put the Decalogue or any of the Commandments of God on an inferior level or lacking in Truth & with the full authority of God. That is never in question, even as Paul wrote in Romans 7:12, "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." And then as he continues in that chapter, that the Law, that was "good", was meant to show the exceeding sinfulness of his corrupt nature. He wouldn't have seen this in such light as a good devout Pharisee (i.e. such words could never come out his mouth); but now as one who has experienced re-birth, he can say 'that my eyes are opened to see what the purpose of that Law was'. Israel then, as now, cannot see what Paul saw; their obedience to the Laws before them (at least by the devout amongst them today), are what they expect to carry them through to blessing & eternity.

Therefore, I raised Romans 8:1-4 for your consideration. I was hoping in your comment to me, you would also refer to this very telling portion of Scripture that must apply to & affect every true believer, cutting deep into the heart. Again, Paul stated that the Law was limited in what it could achieve. Their words & one's diligent obedience to them could never give a person cleansing or the sure hope of eternal life - if it could, then Jesus should not have suffered & died. The Law failed miserably, as far as snatching the sinner from judgement. The Law was good & came in the Power of God but its purpose was limited in regards to salvation. Only through Jesus Christ & His Gift of the Holy Spirit could the "righteousness of the Law" be applied & fulfilled in the believer. Should then the believer go back & hang onto that Law, when the Law given by the Spirit, giving life in Christ Jesus, frees a sinner from a Law that only gave death? Sabbath-keeping can only be by choice - never by commandment & never to be imposed upon another.

Pt 2

About Sabbath now. The Sabbath was not just a rest day during the week. It was. a COMPULSORY holiday with many regulations about what is and what is not permitted. Sabbath was also the 7th year. There was also the Jubilee year. Paul makes it clear that we are not to keep those any more, he calls them " weak beggarly elements". Of course there should be rest days during the week and it is really good we have 2 days now instead of one, and vacations from our work etc. But there is a huge difference between Sabbath and Sunday. Sunday is just a rest day, it is not compulsory, there isn't anything we should avoid or should do. The early church selected the next day to Sabbath as the formal day for worshipping God, see the History of the Church. In doing that they tried make sure that those old things would not enter Christianity. The main danger for Christianity in those early years were Hebrew habits entering the church . And we see that,say, in the R/Catholic church where they have priests, celebrations and other which should not exist.

This is my point of view brother and if I haven't convinced you it is OK. I am not to insult you anyway. Thanks for your reply although you removed it.

GBU