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Please pray for my brother, he has the chills really bad, and I've never seen him like this. Please pray for his immediate healing I'm so scared after recently losing my grandma.

thank you brothers and sisters

Reading Genesis 1:27, in my understanding what matters and prevails is the mystery of creation of man. But how? By the way, First of all, GOD is Spirit; GOD is the Word, self-executing. But how is the image of the Spirit of GOD? GOD alone -the Word is GOD- couldn't create man, He first needed to create an IMAGE of His Person - JESUS - , as is written in Hebrews 1:1-3 and 8.

By the way, man crreated by GOD is without sin, thus the conclusion about the corrupt generations the creator is another, an usurper, a lost one who grafted his evil seed into the one GOD had created - 1John 3:10-12. Terrible, very terrible.

Is it wrong to fish and golf on Saturday instead of working?

Philippians 3:20-21KJV

20 Our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our VILE body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.

Amen, Hallelujah!

You wrote " the soul is just your body".

That is what the Word of GOD says - Leviticus 17:11&14.

The soul is the own existence, it is the life, and the life(soul) of the body is the blood, so the blood is the soul.

Paul Apostle in his epistle to the Church of Corinthians, said: 1 Corinthians 15:50KJV - Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood(soul/life of the body) cannot inherit the kingdom of GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

No Mr. Landry. There was no contradiction. I was making a distinction between the soul of someone who had become "saved", Born Again. And someone who had not been "saved". The eternal condition of the soul is very different in the two cases.

Also, I have not seen a response from you regarding the very specific questions regarding your beliefs that I posed to you. Perhaps you could share that.

Hi Halfpint13. I'm sorry that I can't give you specific help with your question, as I'm neither a Jew nor literate in Hebrew. But if I could direct you to My Jewish Learning, and at the Search box at the top right of the main page, type in Conventions of Biblical Poetry. This is an interesting study on this subject, even as the three main poetic Bible books of the Psalms, Lamentations, & Song of Songs reveal. What one would read in the Hebrew could not be replicated in English (even the KJV), unless one alters the wording to give texts its poetic form. As you noted, some Bible versions do make an attempt to present such writing & thus enabling to be used in speech.

Brother Davido921:

I know your question was to Brother Ronald, but I also believe the soul is mortal, the soul is just your body.

You also contradicted yourself in your comment.

You ask Brother Ronald how he could believe your soul IS NOT immortal.

Yet latter in your comment you said: I certainly agree if someone dies unsaved, both their body and soul die and they cease to have conscience existence.

IMMORTALITY cannot DIE.

Ezekiel 18:4 ... the soul that sinneth, IT (the soul) SHALL DIE ....

If the soul were IMMORTAL it could not DIE.

God bless you

Brother Ronald:

I will give you some of the scriptures that says we died on the cross with Christ and were raised with Christ, the first resurrection.

2 Corinthians 5:14 .... that if ONE died for ALL,then were all DEAD.

Colossians 3:3 For ye are DEAD, and your life is hid with Christ IN God.

Romans 6:6 ....our old man is CRUCIFIED with him .......

Galatians 2:20 I am CRUCIFIED with Christ: nevertheless I live, YET NOT I, but Christ liveth in ME .....

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised US UP TOGETHER ......

Isaiah 26:9 Thy DEAD men shall arise, TOGETHER with my dead body shall they ARISE ....

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION .....

God bless you

Amen Thanks Gigi.

I just made it home and will be back on the road soon.

I will continue perhaps this weekend.

This study is very fruitful because it doesn't single out a particular view instead it let's us and others see how we arrive to whatever view we have by using time lines and more importantly, Description.

The days that are coming is described thoroughly.

People are listed.

Locations are listed.

All these things have to be in place to suggest a prophecy has been fulfilled.

Example;

Some take the 70th week of Daniel from the time of Jesus triumphal entry and go 7 years forward as the fulfillment of the final week.

But the destruction of Jerusalem is at least 38 years later.

It carries the destruction OUTSIDE of the 70th week.

That's not the way Daniel describes it.

If the 69 weeks is precise then so is the 70th.

In other words, Exactly what Daniel said would happen, happened at the time and the way he said it would.

The 70th week should be treated the same way.

We must put our peg down at the end of the 69th week and use Daniel's description of the final week and see if it stands the test of accuracy as the previous 69.

This may require other scripture.

God bless.

Thanks Brother Ronald.

Amen to the fact that we're either a child of God or not.

And if we're a child of God, confirmed by the Spirit, we're Brothers.

I've learned a lot from our discussion, as always.

Iron sharpens Iron and sometimes that's a rough display.

It's good to know ones point of view and how they arrived there. We should always examine that.

Sometimes we take what has been past down to us but yet don't understand.

God bless you Brother.

Ronald,

I remain puzzled as to your belief that the soul of a true believer is not immortal, i.e. has everlasting life.

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at HOME IN THE BODY we are ABSENT FROM THE LORD:

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be ABSENT FROM THE BODY and to be PRESENT WITH THE LORD.

So, if when the body of a true believer goes into the grave when they die, how do you understand 2 Corinthians 5:8? What does it mean to be "absent from the body and present with the Lord". Is God lying to us here?

And then, what does it mean to be Born Again? In what part of our existence are we Born Again? Certainly not in our body until the last day when we receive our resurrected spiritual body.

Then we have the passages that talk about Christ bringing all of the believers with him when he returns at the last day.

I do certainly agree that if someone dies unsaved, both their body and soul die and they cease to have conscious existence. But we are talking here about true believers that have been BORN AGAIN. So what happens to their soul both at the time that God "saves" them, and when they die physically.

I'm sorry to say, Ronald, that we seem to have a very different understanding of what it means to be "saved". And I am unaware of the scriptures that would teach your understanding.

And I think that is not an incidental and unimportant difference in any sense.

May God lead us into truth as we Compare scripture with scripture.

This is a question instead of a comment. I need some help. How do you tell what is hebrew poetry? For example I know that Genesis 1:27 is poetry because it was used in a example in a study I was doing. Other versions change the line breaks when a section is poetry. How do I tell in the kjv?

Thanks Brother Chris.

Very well stated!

God bless

Jema,

Glad your cat is doing better

Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek Me, and find Me, when ye shall search for Me with all your heart. To well do I recall this same despair. I was raised in legalism, much like the Mosaic law Peter speaks of in Acts 15. This form is not large enough that I am able to share how God has carried me even though I neglected Him.The problem with this world is in fact the deception of Satan. He is a higher being than we, if it were not for the fact that the Living God tabernacles inside of me, I would have been devoured by the enemy. When I was a child, often I'd hear how the enemy sat on the front pew in church. I now realize the enemy has graduated himself to the pulpit. he has done this by teaching a different Jesus, manipulating the true word of God and many avenues to deceive humanity. The Lord precisely tells us not to make graven images, to worship Him only. My friend, it sounds like you have not been introduced to the true Saviour Jesus Christ. It is not by works, confessing to man our sin or any other means that we are redeemed. Jesus Christ is the only Way. As certain as I type this small message, I am witness to the saving grace of Jesus Christ. Realize, He is a HOLY GOD and no flesh shall boast in His presence. Jesus Christ took on flesh in order to atone for the curse upon all humanity. There is no good in any human being, no matter our works, we can not be saved by anyone or anything but through belief that Jesus Christ poured out His life, set the captives free, (no such thing as purgatory), rose bodily from death (being the first fruits), preached among us, ascended to the Father and sent the Holy Ghost, whereby we are sealed unto that day. One has to realize their sin and one day they will face a Holy God. Will God see a person innocent without having true repentance of their sins and giving themselves completely to Christ? No, He will not. There is absolutely no reason we have to suffer eternal torment. Realize sin, truly repent,accept Jesus Christ.I pray 4U

Hello Ronald.

I did understand your post, but I just wanted to point out the verses in Acts 2:32-33 which seem to say something different. Thanks for your reply.

Hi Giannis,

My understanding

The questions I posted and the scripture after them were in my understanding were answering the questions, sorry if that did not make sense or if they do not answer them for you.

Was Jesus baptized with the Spirit during His water baptism or before? It was not before it was after Jesus was water baptized and come up from the water He was then anointed with the Holy Spirit.

Luke 4:1 Jesus was full of the Holy Spirit and the Spirit led, meaning to lead, bring, carry so the Spirit led or carried Jesus to the wilderness. It may be similar to when Philip was whisk away, Acts 8:39

John 3:34 "for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him" Measure means limited so Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit with no limits like what we see in 1 Cor. 12 the diversities of gifts no one received them all, with Jesus there was no limit to the power of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:32-33 My understanding is this part of Peter's explanation of what people were seeing. Jesus made the promise that when He went back to the Father He would ask the Father to send the Holy Ghost/Spirit to them, Luke 24:49 John 14:26 Acts 1:4-8. They were seeing God's answer to Jesus's request to send the Holy Ghost/Spirit. I hope that makes sense.

The Father could not send the Holy Ghost/Spirit until Jesus was glorified John 7:39 and that was after He was resurrected, Jesus did not need the Holy Ghost/Spirit after He received His glorified body. When the Holy Ghost/Spirit left Jesus and went back to God in heaven if it was at Jesus's death or when, I do not know.

I hope this all made sense thank you for your reply.

God bless,

RLW

I'm the same as you in that respect Ronald , I don't even know what most of the labels , that some Christians use , actually mean and I have no desire to . We are members of his body , brothers and sisters . I have no idea what label anyone would put on me and I don't put any on myself other than Christian . When someone puts a label on themselves and then they might look at me and smile , as if I should know what all their beliefs are by the label they put on themselves , I just smile and say nothing :) . To me , your a Christian or you're not , that's all I need to know .

Great reference ! Thanks , CJ is back to his old cheeky self :) .

Beyond our comprehension! Being frustrated because there exists no earthly language able to express the glory and praise which He deserves, I asked Him to show me how to worship Him. Submitting to Him in devotion and prayer, time held no worth, for to escape this world and revel in the presence of the Lover of my soul is beyond comprehension. The weight of His glory, the rest of our souls, our daily bread, His beauty visible only through communion with Him, but more than visible for this, His, great Love dwells in the very core of our being. Come quickly Lord Jesus for my heart will surely fail in longing for You.

Yes Mr. Landry. The SOUL that sineth it shall die.

So let me ask you, did the Apostle Paul commit any sin after He was "saved" on the Road to Damascus? Did his BODY die and was buried? Do True Believers die today and their bodies not be buried and decay?

More personally, do you believe that should Christ delay His return for another 100 years, will you still be alive in your current physical body?

Perhaps you could more clearly explain your understanding of the following:

Do you ever commit any sin of any kind?

What does it mean to be "BORN AGAIN"?

Where today is the Apostle Paul living and in what form?

Do you believe that God created all mankind with both a BODY and a SOUL? If not, what then?

Thank you.

Dear heavenly father, I ask that you bring peace to CSmith925. I don't understand how someone can treat another individual in a racist/hateful manor. But I pray that you teach love, peace, and respect to the individuals that wronged this beautiful women in Crist. Help CSmith with forgiveness and being the peace that you only can give to her. In Jesus Mighty name we pray, Amen.

Mom has always been a child of God. I feel that her soul needs a revival from God. I pray that mom gets her spiritual healing she needs. In Jesus Mighty name we pray. Amen

For Walter Beck- Prayer for healing and covering of blood. experienced something similar to stroke a week ago. Binding of confusion, dementia, Alzheimer's. For Christ to strengthen. Loosing of healing angels, warring angels, comforting angels, guardian angels

Math 24:1-3,

1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The question is are these verses talking about the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD by the Romans? And if not, what?

Note in verse 2 Jesus says, "...There shall not be left one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down." So if you go to Jerusalem today and look at the ruins of the Temple, what do you see? Or should I say, what do you not see? You do not see a situation where there is "...not one stone left upon another". So is Jesus, eternal God Himself, exaggerating here? Is He lying to us? Did the translators make a mistake?

Now note verse 3 as the disciples asked Jesus, "...when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" And we see that Jesus did not correct the disciples saying that He was not talking about the situation as we approach the end of the world. Quite the contrary, as we read further Jesus began to provide information about what to expect as we approach the end of the world.

So what is the spiritual temple, the House of God, the corporate representation God's Kingdom on this earth; where we would expect to find the Word of God, the gospel, during most of the New Testament period? Is it not the local churches and congregations that have existed during that time?

I'm just going to leave it there for now. But I would ask us all to consider Matt 24, and in particular these first three verses, in the light of such passages as 1 Pet 4:17 and 2 Thessalonians 2.

Hi Landry,

My faith is in Jesus and He died and rose again being the Firstfruits of those who slept, and through Jesus's resurrection, I have the hope and promise of eternal life with Jesus. Death in scripture is sleep with no knowledge of time or anything. I do not believe in the immortal soul, so when I die I will sleep in the grave until I am resurrected into a new immortal, incorruptible body.

What is your understanding of resurrection and why do you say in the second resurrection?

God bless,

RLW

Hello Ronald.

You stated, "Was Jesus filled with the Holy Ghost/Spirit? When Jesus was baptized what happened? None of the gospels clearly state that Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit before His baptism Luke 2:40 is close but not affirmative. Why would Jesus need to be full of the Holy Ghost/Spirit? Philippians 2:5-8. Was Jesus the Messiah the Anointed One? Luke 4:18 Acts 10:38"

But my query is: Was Jesus baptized with the Spirit during His water baptism (or before that)?

I don't have a clear view on that, because a couple of scriptures seem to say a different thing.

The first is Luke 4:1, "And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,", also John 3:34, "For he (Jesus) whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.".

But then again in Acts 2:32-33, it says "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received (this in greek is in the present tense) of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."

The latter says that Jesus received the Spirit (the promise) after (or at) His resurrection and then started giving It to believers.

So does that mean that Jesus lost the Spirit while on the cross? But then again it says He received THE PROMISE of the Holly Ghost after His resurrection. So what was it that that He had before? Wasn't that the PROMISE? Maybe some other ministry of the Spirit? Maybe like the prophets of the Old Testament who had the Spirit ON them but not INSIDE them?

Or some other explanation exists? I Hope I haven't confused you. So what do you think?

Others are welvome to answer, too?

GBU

Hey S Spencer,

I do not consider myself part of a group other than the body of Christ, it is just me. We should be brothers and sisters without labels sharing our understanding of scripture and inspiring each other to study for the truth and I feel we have done that so far.

The Messiah/Christ, the son of God, the second man, our Lord who came from heaven, the last Adam sent by the Father to do the will of the Father. Matt. 11:25-27 Hebrew 2:9-14

Was Jesus filled with the Holy Ghost/Spirit? When Jesus was baptized what happened? None of the gospels clearly state that Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit before His baptism Luke 2:40 is close but not affirmative. Why would Jesus need to be full of the Holy Ghost/Spirit? Philippians 2:5-8. Was Jesus the Messiah the Anointed One? Luke 4:18 Acts 10:38

The Holy Ghost/Spirit descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, Matt. 3:16-17 Luke 3:21-22 Mark 1:10 John 1:32. God put His Spirit upon him. Matt. 12:15-21 The Spirit remained on Him John 1:33

The Holy Ghost/Spirit led Jesus up into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Matt. 4:1 Mark 1:12. Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost and was led by the Spirit. Luke 4:1. Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit Luke 4:14.

Jesus did miracles by the Holy Ghost/Spirit, Luke 5:17. He cast out devils by the Holy Ghost/Spirit, the Spirit of God Matt.12:28. Also John 14:10 (by the Holy Ghost/Spirit)

The scriptures were fulfilled Luke 4:18-21. The Holy Spirit was given to Jesus without measure John 3:34.

John's water baptism was as you said, God's anointing of the Holy Ghost/Spirit Matt.4:17 Mark 1:11 Luke 3:22.

I know you travel, so like Roy Rogers, happy trails to you, until we meet again. Showing my age, I will send more on the rest of part 1 and part 2.

God bless,

RLW

Brother Ronald:

I too am way up in age.

Why do you believe you are going to lay in the grave and wait for the second resurrection?

Why do you not believe you were resurrected with Christ, at the first resurrection?

Revelation 20:5-6