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We go from grace to grace as the Spirit of truth sees fit, I am constantly repenting of what I believe; as more light is given, sometime in a short period of time, sometime in longer lengths of time, there is a TIME for every purpose under heaven.
I once believed the prince in Daniel referred to the antichrist, but the Spirit of Truth CAUSED me to repent of my belief.
It's all the WORK of God, as HE see fit.
God bless you!
Daniel 4:35 ...and he doeth according to HIS WILL in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and NONE can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Isaiah 55:8 .... your ways are not my ways ......
Ecclesiastes 3:1 To everything there is a season, a TIME to every PURPOSE under heaven .....
We don't know why God does what he does, what we do know is when he has put ALL THINGS under Christ:
God will be ALL in ALL ..... 1 Corinthians 15:28
point of correction
Could you say what book and chapter you are referring to, someone I am sure will help. Sorry your guestion has not been not been addressed.
God bless,
RLW
We agree on Daniel 9:25-27 is a prophecy about the Messiah/Christ, the temple, Jerusalem, and Daniel's people, but the rest of your reply, our understandings are different, and I would not know how to reply, but to say a prayer for all of us. John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
God bless,
RLW
I will certainly keep you in my prayers.
Today I will pray for you.
Dear Heavenly Father, we come to You in the name of Jesus and seek help for Freda. She needs You to bring financial relief for her and for her disability claim to be approved soon. Bring all of the things that are troubling her to a good and prosperous resolve. Thank you for saving Freda and for her continued dependance on You. Keep her close to You always and grant her peace in her waking and sleeping. Amen.
There may be other scriptures indicating specifics here; my point is that there were exceptions; even in the lineage of David leading to Christ (such as Ruth; Rahab and other descendants from Gentile origin.) There were rules as to how many generations had to pass before Temple worship; etc. but there was always a contingency of those who would follow the God of Israel (such as the multitude in the Exodus).
I would also say that God devoted destruction to the descendants of Nephilim (which were wiped out in the time of David with the last remaining one: Goliath and earlier his 4 brothers). This was a big reason for what seems like wholesale cruel destruction of everyone; namely they were not fully human. The nations which would cause their own children to be sacrificed to idols were also the recipients of God's wrath; such as the Amorites in Genesis 15:16. There was a set time for destruction when iniquity is at the full; and such was the case with Nineveh; but was granted a reprieve after repentance for a couple hundred years or so; eventually fulfilled as the book of Nahum explained.
In some ways as well; the Caananites served as an object lesson to Israel. ( 1 Samuel 4:3-5 and later verses show how the fear of the Lord came on the Caananites and they made sacrifice.) Whether they repented after being plagued by God; or healed of the ailments is unclear; but they at least knew what they had to do and that they were under God's wrath and displeasure.
The Caananites were under a curse in general since Genesis 9 (the details have been debated). Judges 2:21-23 gives a further clue; disobedience of Israel stopped it.
This is just my opinion; when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil the knowledge of imagination entered, and we see how imagination of thoughts became the desires of the flesh. Imagination makes it possible to experience a whole world inside the mind. One can imagine a sound, taste, smell, physical sensation, feeling, emotion. Fantasy becomes reality in our mind.
We see in scripture its effects Genesis 6:5 Proverbs 6:18 Jeremiah 13:10 it battles against our conscience, and it suckers us into the belief it is a secret in our minds, it's ok because no one knows. But as David told Solomon God knows the hearts of all, 1 Chronicles 28:9.
Technology is good and beneficial to man but in our imagination, it is intoxicating and addictive, it can create a world with no limits and Satan uses it for his evil and it may be a key to the seduction of the beast and false prophet who are coming. Deceived has a scary and deceptive description, to be taken out of the way, the sad thing someone may not even know it. Galatians 6:7-10
It is like the poem the spider to the fly. "Will you walk into my parlour said the spider to the fly; Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy". A temptation that looks innocent, but death lurks hidden inside.
God bless,
RLW
"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent" ( Revelation 12:12-14).
So then to your earlier point: "(Also the wrath of God, and this time period of Satan having great wrath on the inhabiters of the earth are not the same time periods, Satan will persecute, even beheading Believers. God's wrath is poured out on all non-believers in Jesus Christ)."
When we look at the Matthew 24:21 reference you gave: "For then shall be great tribulation", this verse comes immediately after vv 15 onwards: the appearing of the abomination of desolation. When Israel sees the Anti-Christ, they ought to flee, for the Great Tribulation is upon them. I read that the Great Tribulation starts with the revelation of the Anti-Christ & his revelation can only occur when the Restrainer is removed. Is it God Who removes the Restrainer? I believe so, which means that God has now declared that He is done with this unbelieving world, taken His saints in the Rapture, with Satan now exercising his full control & rule through his puppet & all this will climax at Christ's Second Coming & the final battle. So when I read "the Great Tribulation", I read it as "the Great Tribulation of God's Wrath", not just more suffering to all.
Romans 8:2chapter context similar meaning copy save
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 4:15chapter context similar meaning copy save
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
You said "Therefore he comes (you were speaking of the antichrist here) at the beginning of the 70th week but the Great tribulation starts mid week".
Where is the beginning of the 70th week from your understanding in Mathew Ch.24 Spencer?
I believe that the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place and the start of great tribulation in ( Mt. 24:15,21) is in perfect alignment with ( Rev. 13:2-7) really the whole chapter of (Rev.13) This is when Satan gives the antichrist his power, and seat, and great authority, and power over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations in ( Rev. 13:2-7)
At this time the antichrist will be ruler of the world and making war with all True Believers in Jesus Christ ( Rev. 12:17)
And he will try to force the mark of the beast on them ( Rev. 13:16-18) but only to kill them.
( Rev. 13:8) "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (or accept his mark) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
He has all the world worshipping him, but True Believers in Jesus Christ will not worship him ( Rev. 20:4)
All these things will happen the last 3 1/2 year time period of great tribulation which will be shortened for the elect's sake ( Mt. 24:22) This is what I understand from these verses.
Thank you again Spencer, I do believe this to be a very important topic to discuss for the time period we are living today.
Everybody should be trying to understand the truth in this subject from Scripture.
God Bless.
When the abomination of desolation stands in the holy place that starts great tribulation, right? The word (tribulation) is #2347; it means pressure, afflicted (-tion) anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble. The last 3 1/2 years will be the time period that Satan has been cast to the earth ( Rev. 12:7-9) In ( Rev. 12:12-14) v12 "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil ((is come down unto you)), ((having great wrath)), because ((he knoweth he hath but a short time))". (This "Woe" would be the same time period as ( Mt. 24:21) "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be". (Also the wrath of God, and this time period of Satan having great wrath on the inhabiters of the earth are not the same time periods, Satan will persecute, even beheading Believers. God's wrath is poured out on all non-believers in Jesus Christ)
(This wrath from Satan will be really BAD, and EVIL times! The mark of the beast will be during this time period ( Rev. 13:16-18).
( Rev. 12:14) gives us a time period "where she is nourished for a time, a times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent".
That is 3 1/2 years, that would be the last 3 1/2 years.
( Rev. 12:17) Tells us "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".
Now the next chapter ( Rev. 13:1-4) We see the dragon (Satan) giving power to the beast.
( Rev. 13:5-8) v5 the beast (antichrist) is given power to continue forty two months, (3 1/2 years)
v7 he is given power over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. The last 3 1/2 years.
What part of the last 7 years that you see as being great tribulation would Satan be cast to the earth?
Again thank you Chris.
Thank you for praying for me and with me. Continue to pray for me. I am struggling trying to work. I am still having problems from the oral & maxillofacial surgeries that I had last year. I am still having financial hardship. I know all about Disability but I'm still trying to get approved because I am having problems due to the surgeries that I had. I have checked. Also, I plan to retire early because I'm not waiting until full retirement age to retire. Too much is going on in the world. I'm tired of working for rich ceo's who don't care about their employees and do not want to pay us more for our experience & all the work we do. I want to retire early so I can do more for God's Kingdom, do more for my church, take trips. Just keep me in your prayers because I'm having all kinds of problems right now especially financially. Have a blessed and peaceful night
I pray gods peace and strength be upon you.
To your question.
God said let us make man in our own image, after our likeness:
Key words your looking at is (us) and ( our )
It is my understanding, that us and our is God the Father and Jesus his only begotten son .
Jesus was with the Father from the foundations of the earth. This is referenced throughout scriptures.
Scriptures tell us No one has seen the Father save the son.
Also Jesus tells us that the Father sent him, and he must return to the Father .
So we can recieve the Holyghost .
Hope this helps.
May God bless and keep you.
Love you all.
You are correct: Daniel is a prophecy of Christ, not antichrist.
Most don't understand the abomination that maketh desolated. It was SET UP the same time the daily sacrifice was destroyed .... Daniel 12:11
Hebrews 3:9 But Christ a Son over his own HOUSE, whose house we are .....
Matthew 23:38 Behold your HOUSES are left unto you DESOLATE ....
All men DIED, their house (BODY) was left desolate, no life, dead on the cross, then CHRIST ONLY arose.
All men arose a NEW CREATION; joint HEIRS of Christ, the body of Christ, the life now the SPIRIT of GOD.
Most don't understand the GREAT TRIBULATION.
Matthew 24:22 And unless those days be SHORTENED, no flesh should be SAVED ....
Christ and ALL MEN DIED on the cross, three SHORT days latter, ALL MEN were made ALIVE by the RESURRECTION.
ALL the wrath of God, that ALL MEN deserved, was POURED OUT on Christ, that was the GREAT TRIBULATION, three short(en) days, for the elects sake.
The same things is pictured in Revelation, all the 7 plagues and 7 vials had to be poured out before ANYONE could enter the TEMPLE, God Almighty and the LAMB are the TEMPLE .... Revelation 21:22
Revelations 15:8 ... NO ONE could enter the temple, until the seven plagues were fulfilled ......
God bless you!
And yes, we can see that word being applied towards 'thoughts' ( Jeremiah 23:20); 'intents' ( Jeremiah 30:24); 'device/plan' ( Jeremiah 51:11). And then we see it in 'evil thoughts' ( Psalm 10:4); 'evil schemes' ( Job 21:27); 'lewd/wicked acts' ( Jeremiah 11:15); wicked speech ( Psalm 139:20).
So to understand 'mezzimah', which meaning can be quite diverse, we need to read it as the verse gives it, in its correct context. So 'discretion or one's power to devise' appears to be the primary meaning of 'mezzimah', but how that word is used will give other associated meanings, i.e. whether one's mind works for that which is good & wholesome, or towards evil thoughts & acts. So, I believe we find an agreement here.
Sorry brother did not see your last post. I know we differ on this, as long as we inspire each other to study both sides we are doing ok. I feel the word antichrist has been used so many times having people looking for the wrong thing. This beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit, Rev. 17:8 we don't know what he will look like, the man of sin.
The word antichrist is not in Revelation, and where we see it in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7 all are describing people or the spirit of antichrist, deceivers not a beast. There has been people from the time Jesus ascended claiming to be the Messiah and will deliver them from Roman oppression up to revolts before 70 AD. There was one in Acts 21:38 and some others and probably some today.
2 Thessalonians 2:4, which says this beast will exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped. Above God, or whatever people all over this world worship, this will be a world event for people of all religions. I agree the deception will be great and he may appear to many as Christ or what or who other people worship. I am sure many will accept him as the Christ.
In Revelation, we have Satan, the beast, the false prophet, and fallen angels on this earth, all working against God, Jesus, and all who have faith in them, it will not be a pleasant time. From the time Satan and his angels are cast down to earth and Satan gives his power, seat, and authority to the beast I only see 3.5 years not 7. And I do not see anyone taken out only the second coming of Jesus. 7 years only comes from Daniel 9 whether that turns out to be true or false. Hope this makes some sense.
God bless
RLW
I completely agree with your analysis of this Scripture passage.