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Hello Adrue1. A Heave Offering was a part of the other types of offerings that God had appointed for the children of Israel. The heave offering was not really a separate offering but the portion of another offering, given as a present, that was reserved for the use of the priests.

Exodus 29:27,28: And thou shalt sanctify the breast of the wave offering, and the shoulder of the heave offering, which is waved, and which is heaved up, of the ram of the consecration, even of that which is for Aaron, and of that which is for his sons: And it shall be Aaron's and his sons' by a statute for ever from the children of Israel: for it is an heave offering: and it shall be an heave offering from the children of Israel of the sacrifice of their peace offerings, even their heave offering unto the LORD."

It seems that it was similar to the Wave Offering, where instead of the offering being waved (moved from side-to-side) before the LORD, the Heave Offering was lifted in an up and down motion before God.

The heave offering was often given in conjunction with tithes ( Leviticus 7:14,34) as a provision for the Levites, the priestly tribe who did not have land of their own and therefore could not grow their own food. They depended on the LORD's provision through tithes and heave offerings ( Numbers 18:24,29).

Hi Tim86. I'm unsure whether there is sufficient information within any particular Bible or other reference material where one can establish that study notes within the KJV Bible were written by the KJV Study Bible originator. Someone here might have some reference to this if it has been noted in their study Bible.

I only use the Ryrie Study Bible, notes & other inclusions of which were written by Charles Ryrie (1925-2016), once Professor of Systematic Theology at Dallas Theo Seminary. There is nothing within my Bible to suggest that he read only from the KJV, though I found this note on the Web: "The Ryrie Study Bible, with the DTS (Dallas Theo Seminary) professor's 10,000-plus explanatory notes, used the King James Version when it was first published in 1978. It is now also available in New American Standard Bible and English Standard Version translations."

It seems to suggest here that his notes were based on his reading of the KJV, even though other translations were available before 1978. I think that what would be more important is to know the theological & doctrinal stance of the note writer within any KJV (or other) translations. When you learn that, you would get a better understanding how their beliefs tie in with yours (or your Fellowship's), because if one is not careful, one can easily be swayed to understanding & accepting certain notated verses as given by the writer. It's always best to learn what God is telling you about a verse or passage & then use the notes as a supplementary point of added information. Ryrie can be considered to be a 'pre-millenial dispensationalist'; and this means, "he believed that God has worked throughout human history in different ways in various divinely ordained eras. Dispensational premillennialism says that the end times will be characterized by the rapture of the church first, then the tribulation, the restoration of Israel to a place of preeminence, and the millennial kingdom". I hope this helps you some.

The fall of Babylon?

( Jer. 51:1,2,11) v2 "And will send unto Babylon (fanners), that shall fan her, and shall empty her land: for in the day of trouble they shall be against her round about". The word (fanners) is #2114; it means to turn aside (especially for lodging) hence, to be a foreign, strange, profane, to commit adultery (come from) another (man, place).

((foreigners, strangers)) the border?

v11 "the LORD hath (raised) up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his (device) is against Babylon to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple"

The word (raised) is #5782; it means through the idea of ((opening the eyes)), to wake, (a-) wake (-n, up) raise (up) stir up (self). Do people being awake, or stirred up sound like the times we live in today?

The word (device) is #4209; it means a plan, usually evil (machination) (wicked) device, witty invention, lewdness, mischievous (device) thought, wickedly. That would mean there's a evil, wicked plan against this nation, NOW!

Do you see it?

1st Babylon is corrupted by fanners that are sent by God.

Then

( Jer. 50:9) "For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain".

2nd God sends an assembly of great nations against Babylon to destroy her and she shall be taken.



God is in complete control of Babylon falling in the Lastdays, God raises up the spirit of the kings of the Medes whose device is against Babylon to destroy her, God sends the fanners who will be against her in the day of trouble, then God sends the assembly of great nations from the north country whose arrows will be as a mighty expert man, none shall return in vain.

Is the USA mystery Babylon? Is this the present, and the future for this nation?

Many say Yes, but some do say No!

Blessings.

Where in the Bible does it say that it's okay for women to be preachers

Richard,

I am unaware of any verse or passage in the Bible that speaks of an "age of accountability".

The Bible does say some very ugly things about our condition from the moment of conception apart from salvation. And that we are spiritually DEAD.

Psalms 58:3

The wicked are estranged from the WOMB: they go astray as soon as they BE BORN, speaking lies.

Romans 3:10-18

As it is written, There is NONE righteous, no, not one: There is NONE that understandeth, there is NONE that seeketh after God. They are ALL gone out of the way, they are TOGETHER become unprofitable; there is NONE that doeth good, no, NOT ONE. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Ephesians 2:1

And you hath he quickened, who were DEAD in trespasses and sins;

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness that we have done,..but acccording to his mercy and the washing and regeneration ( multiplication) of his Seed HE SAVED US....He wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts so as to multiply himself in humanity. the field is the world....Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the word of God that liveth and abideth forever....The living word that new covenant, That book that he wrote with his own blood at Calvary the words of life....There is only 1 yardstick and thats the fruit that comes from his precious seed sown in our hearts which is a baby Christ the H.G. .That which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. our new heart and new spirit....Nothin availeth any thing in Christ Jesus but that new creature which is the H.G. That Child of Promise....Which is our fruit unto God via his good seed....The seed of the sower.....1st the Child the H.G. Then the son the H.G....Then the fulness of the Godhead in us the H.G....The Kingdom....3 MEASURES The woman in Rev. 12:10 Does not receive the Kingdom till she births the manchild....As Jesus said unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there n..Indicative of a heavenly Birth of a baby Christ in us which is the H.G. THE CHILD OF PROMISE....Thats y he has to know us....He wants to regenerate himself in humanity....Thats y he is saying whosoever receiveth one such child in my name RECEIVETH ME..The Child is the H.G. As that which is born of the spirit is spirit thats the H.G. the Child of Promise....The H.G. is that Child of Promise....As the great promise was i will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven....Thus the babes and sucklings that can worship God with a perfect Praise that are gonna be born in us....Our new heart and new spirit via his good seed the living word....They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin....He has a seed to sow in humanity....Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains....Jere 30:6

Leoj

Pr. 2

We began with this sinful corruption and it manifested in our lives in active sin by choice. There is no one who does not sin in some way. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So it is our sinful nature that leads us into sin, making us a sinner.

But every time we sin, we choose to, so our active sinning proves that we are a sinner. We have no excuse because our will is always free to sin, but without regeneration, we have no freedom to do what is truly good before God. Thank God that God's work in us to save us and make us new brings the desire and the power to obey God, though our obedience is never perfect like that of Jesus' obedience. He alone is and always has been perfectly righteous.

Hello Leoj

This is a good question to ponder.

My thoughts go immediately to Romans chapter 7 where Paul is describing the Christian struggle of the newness of being regenerated and revived spiritually by the Holy Spirit with the sinful nature in ourselves that is still at work in us. As a new creation in Christ, Paul desires to do that which is good and righteous, but he is not able to perform these good things in a perfect way because the sinful nature is always there to taint whatever we do. In verse 17-23, Paul says that he knows that nothing good resides in his old nature which he calls the flesh. He speaks at the law of sin and death that is right there when he would do what is good even though he delights in the law of God in his inward regenerated spiritual man. He says that the law of sin brings his members into captivity to do evil.

We all have this same struggle in us as Paul had. When we were not redeemed, we did not have a regenerated inward man who wished to do what was righteous, but our corrupted inward man desired to do what sinful. We were enemies of God, but due to the regenerative work of the Holy Spirit, we desire to live holy and godly lives (which we did not want to do prior to conversion). Even so, we now have this struggle that did not exist when we were unredeemed. The sin nature and the new inner nature created anew by God war against each other. This will continue all of our life until death separates us from our sinful nature. When we are resurrected, we will be completely whole in all aspects of our being-from our physical bodies to our minds, soul, will, and spirit. There will be total harmony within us as the Holy Spirit continues to indwell us throughout eternity to keep us holy.

So, in regards to your question, as Richard said, it is both that we sin because we are a sinner and we are a sinner because we sin.

Everyone is conceived as a sinner corrupted by sin passed on to us from Adam to all persons. We had no choice in this.

Both. Man was created upright; and Lucifer perfect in his ways before they sinned. Therefore; there was within their nature the potential for sin. Things always start in the mind; and are related to the state of our souls. In both cases self decided based on their own understanding that God (their Creator) was somehow holding out on what was best for them; and they pursued what seemed the best path to elevate their status and consequently put God as second in their lives. The final decision to act on these impulses caused the chain reactions leading to destruction. For Adam it was immediate separation from fellowship with God (or spiritual death) shame and distancing himself from God (along with Eve); then the delayed results of the fallen earth; toiling with sweat; pain in childbirth and eventual physical death and for later generations a reduced life span.

If we step back to Paul's statement in Romans 7:9 there was a time before the law when he didn't know sin. Hence; we see some sort of age of accountability for actions. If we are not conscious of deliberate acts of rebellion against God then it seems scriptural that before that age we are saved by grace and can't be punished for something we don't understand. Once we do reach that age; then we are also judged more harshly for certain sins than others according to what is considered an abomination; or where a death penalty is declared for murder and such with the religious and associated civil laws society still has today. When we learn how to repeat acts of rebellion; then we are increasing our judgment; but clearly since all men are in Adam we are all sinners by nature as another result of the fall affecting all of mankind (Adam's progeny).

God judges us for outward manifestations of breaking His Divine decrees as well as for the thoughts and imaginations which in reality are doing these things in our heart. The fate of Lazarus and the rich man is said to result from actions not nature

Jimbob,

It really comes down to this (part 2).

There are many commandments in the Bible related to Salvation. Some of these are "Repent", "Believe", "Endure", etc. And our obedience to ANY commandment of God, i.e. the Law of God, is a WORK that we do. But our Repentance, our Belief, our Endurance does NOT save us. No obedience to the Law of God can save us. Our Repentance, our Belief, our Endurance in a way that is pleasing to God is the RESULT of our Salvation, not the CAUSE of our Salvation. It is the EVIDENCE of our Salvation as God "works within us to will and to do of His good pleasure".

These WORKS are also a yardstick to help us determine whether or not we have truly become "saved". "Examine yourself to see if you be in the faith", "Make your calling and election sure", etc. All warnings and admonitions given to us by God's Mercy so that if we do not see these things in our life, we may still cry out to God in the very real Hope that He might save us. And if we do see these characteristics in our life with an earnest and ongoing desire to be obedient to His Commandments, it gives us assurance that God has indeed "saved" us and we are safe and secure in His everlasting arms. Despite the fact that we do fall into sin again and again when we take our eyes off of Christ; and God may need to chastise us, as a father does his son, to cause us grow in grace. Praise God for so great salvation!

I seek prayer for my family, for restoration and forgiveness amongst family members that have fallen into anger and refuse to speak with each other. I pray for my family to seek to the Lord and have a desire to get to know the Lord. I pray for my husband who may be sick or doing the devil's work. I pray that he finds himself back to the Lord.

I pray for God to continue to use me to do his will and to continue giving me his guidance to do his will and his call for me on my life. I pray for healing for the sick, food for the hungry and clothing and places to live for those that are homeless.

My name is Renee, and I was raised into the Catholic church. As with many young adults, I have strayed away and began forming to the world and its evil works. During this time, I was facing many life challenges and even faced a battle with depression and anxiety. It was then that I realized I must find my way back to God. I began seeking help for my depression and I began seeking the Lord, I returned to church and even joined bible study groups. Over time, I was healed and slowly returned to the ways of this world. Although I did not suffer from depression and/or anxiety, I found that my relationships were not healthy. Relationships of work, personal and friendships. Without God fully in my life, it seemed that I was unable to live fruitfully.

I am now in my midlife and have been with the lord for a few years now, steadily, faithfully, humbly. I want to share that my life is so much more peaceful, relationships are better, life is better. My heart is pure, my soul is pure, my spirit is pure. I face life challenges as we all do, but our savior Jesus Christ in my life, challenges are easier to face because I now know that I am not facing them alone. I am stronger, wiser and guarded by our Lord Jesus. I have a church home and family and pray every day and throughout my day. I make sure to read my bible so that I may learn the Lord and grow closer to him. My life is better with God as my lead. I encourage anyone who does not have God in their life, to please let him so that you may live a fruitful life and have a blessed after life.

Love,

Renee Wiggins

David0921 thank you for your response.

I really don't think I'm isolating verses in the Bible to come to this belief.

You did not answer my question David, Do you think repenting of our sins is works?

In Revelation Chapters 2 and 3 Jesus says to 6 of the 7 churches "I know (thy works)"

To the other one He says "for I have not found (thy works) perfect before God".

To the church of Ephesus He says in ( Rev. 2:5) "((except thou repent))."

to the church of Pergamos He says in ( Rev. 2:16) "((Repent or else)) I will come upon thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth".

To the church of Thyatira He says in ( Rev. 2:22) "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, ((except they repent)) of their deeds".

To the church of Sardis He says in ( Rev. 3:3) "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, ((and repent))".

To the church of Laodicea He says in ( Rev. 2:19) "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, ((and repent)).

We are told in ( Acts. 17:30) "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where ((to repent)).

These verses are very clear Jesus is speaking of ((their works)), and also ((repentance for their sins)).

( Rev. 2:16) Jesus tells them Repent or else He will fight against them with the sword of His mouth.

Do you believe (repenting) of our sins is works David?

Blessings.

Romans 3:10-31

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full

of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ {Christ's faith, not our faith} unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith...

Chris thank you for your comment.

I agree that many today are departing from the Word of God, we are told that will happen in ( 2 Tim. 4:3-4).

You said "Unfortunately the ( 2 Thess. 2:2-5) passage is not explicit to show us how Paul was applying this "apostasy".

This I do respectfully disagree with Chris, if we look at the True meaning of the words (falling away) in the Greek language it is #646; it means defection from truth, (properly the state) ["apostasy"] forsake, divorce, (writing of) divorcement.

((a (writing of) divorcement from what?))

A departure from the (Christian faith) would be rejecting Jesus Christ not the Word of God.

We see the marriage supper of the Lamb taking place in ( Rev. 19:7-9) Those who fall away receive the (writing of) divorcement after the Abandonment of their ((Christian faith)) a total desertion or departure ((from their faith))

Those who fall away (depart from or desert their Christian faith) will not be present at this marriage supper of the Lamb.

( 1 Tim. 4:1) "that in the latter times" (This is speaking of the Lastdays) "some shall (depart) from the (faith)"

The word (depart) is #868; it means to remove, i.e. actively instigate to revolt, to desist, desert, depart, draw (fall) away, refrain, withdraw self.

The word (faith) is #4102; persuasion, i.e. credence; morally conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher, especially ((reliance upon Christ for salvation)).

This has to be True Believers in Jesus Christ (1st) to desert or abandon their Christian faith. And (2nd) to receive a (writing of) divorcement from Jesus Christ for their departure of their faith. And it is written this happens in the (latter times) which would be today.

Again thank you Chris. God Bless.

Hello everyone, Had an interesting question asked at our men's Bible group. " Our we sinners because we sin, or do we sin because where're sinners". Would like to hear your comments based from the Bible . Thank you

what is a heave offering

Thanks 'Jimbob'

No it doesn't

But it does give them the image of the Angels since we too as man was given the image of God.

As an angel worships God and obeys so shall your wife worship and obey you.

To whom do your hands belong and what do you have in you r hands?

In your hands I lay my spirit Jesus said at the cross, Oho God of Israel rather I fall into your hands rather than the hands of human beings, To whom do your hands belong and what do you have in your hands? Is what we have in our hands that can open the doors, Moses had a rod to open the door to Isreal the promise land, David had a stone to defeat the great gaint threat, Jesus Christ had scars in his hands scar's of the old sin and path to salvation, Feel my scars put your hands in them Thomas and believe it's me, What do you have in those hands that proves your worth in Christ, in his hands he healed many, in those very hands he blessed many, in those hands he changed a many. In our hand's how many have died spiritual and physical? In our hands how many are lost today? Because of the works of our hands how many today can't even come to church? Praise God? Worship him? Are we really appreciating or depreciating the works of God in our hands? Our hand's can't turn water into wine but can turn water into blood, laughter into tears, joy into pain, happiness into misery, love into hate and peace and harmony into chaos and war, turn sanity into confusion, To whom do your hands belong and what do you have in those hands? Are they hand's that opens or closes? Do they build or destroy? Do they carry success of failure? Can they hold or break? It's our hand's built within us and in God we want to understand the Why do they see the opposite, why can't I get it right, is it my hands or me? Is it how I touch or how I push? The hands

Hi, does anyone know of a kjv study bible that have all the study notes written by only a kjv bible believer??

Jimbob,

It really comes down to this.

Is the Gospel of the Bible a gospel of Grace Alone or is it a gospel of Grace plus Works?

We can find many verses in the Bible that if isolated from the rest of the Bible could lead us down a path of believing that we must DO something to become saved. And if that is the case, then we can certainly DO something, or fail to DO something to lose our salvation. But when we look at everything in the Bible that teaches us about the Nature of Salvation, we find that is not true.

Many people use the term ACCEPTING CHRIST or DECIDING FOR CHRIST. These are things that WE DO. Just like obedience to any commandment of God is a WORK that WE DO. And no WORK that WE DO can save us. That is a gospel of grace plus works. It is not the gospel of the Bible.

Read Galatians very carefully. Read Romans very carefully. Read the entire chapter.

Galatians 1:6-9

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The True Gospel of the Bible is a gospel where God does ALL THE WORK in saving us and KEEPING US. This must be the case because we BY NATURE are DEAD spiritually. It is when GOD SAVES US that he raises us to spiritual life. A life that CANNOT be lost. A life that is ETERNAL LIFE. And there will be a "want to" in our life to keep the Law, but it is NOT our obedience to the Law that saves or keeps us. We must make that distinction.

In coming to an understanding of what it means to be "saved" we must compare scripture with scripture and not isolate verses form the rest of the Bible.

Please remember me and my family in your prayers

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These haven't rejected (apostatized from) Christ but have perverted God's Word by their apostatizing from revealed & accepted Truth (the Word of God as given by Jesus & His apostles), and promoted their own beliefs & interpretations, thereby causing many to err & turn to unrighteous beliefs & practises. And I have not shared this here to bring on 'a KJB vs other translation' argument (though there is evidence that any grave corruption of the Word can lead to much error in belief as well).

But maybe we should consider that in light of the many Scriptures that show that a true child of God is sealed, secured, & ministered to by the Holy Spirit, and could never leave nor desire to depart from such a great abundant salvation, that the possibility of what Paul was presenting, is that this 'falling away' could well be that God's Word would increasingly be mishandled in the days after he left this Earth, giving over to a 'doctrine of devils' teaching. That this 'falling away' & the 'man of sin' being revealed, shows just how far Christ's Church has departed from the Body of Truth, and this 'man of sin' could well be a religious person but giving no regard to God's Word, rather submitting his own word as God's Voice. Of course, those who are believers, whether in the congregation of such apostasy from the Word, would soon depart, wanting only to hear the Truth of God's Word, but those who have no such discerning spirit, would readily pay him heed. Even now, as was in the past ( 1 John 2:18,19), there would be imposters, even among the clergy, that have infiltrated the Church. So I just share this, an option here, as we need to keep the matter open concerning 'apostasy', since Paul hasn't directly stated in what manner this 'apostasy' would happen, whether concerning true believers or concerning God's Word & those professing to be Christian. Blessings.

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Hi Jimbob. You wrote well though if I could just highlight the 'apostasy' (apostasia), as seen in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, & consider what the Apostle Paul was speaking of here. I realize that it would be simple to understand his statement as applying to believers, before that day of Christ's coming, that some would apostatize by rejecting Christ going back into the world or to embrace another religion. But are we correct to believe that this was what Paul was speaking of in light of his other writings & that of our Lord? (refs. John 10:27-29; John 6:37; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13,14; Ephesians 4:30; Romans 8:28-30; Jude 1:24,25; 2 Corinthians 5:17; 2 Timothy 2:19).

When we look at the definition of 'apostasy', it is as you have given ("An abandonment of what one has professed, a total desertion, or departure from one's faith, a total abandonment of the Christian faith"). But 'apostasy' is not simply restricted to a 'total departure from one's faith' but also 'a total departure or abandonment of one's principles, party, cause' (and one could even add 'departure from the Word of God which lays out the principles and Truths of doctrine & righteous living').

Unfortunately, the 2 Thessalonians 2:2-5 passage is not explicit to show us how Paul was applying this 'apostasy'. Obviously, the Thessalonian believers probably knew much more than we have been given (v5 'remember...I told you these things?'). Clearly, this apostasy doesn't relate to principles or causes of the world, because its context shows that Paul is speaking of an apostasy that will affect believers in some way. The question then is: is it the rejection of Christ altogether, or a departure/rejection of the Truth of God's Word? But isn't that the same thing, one could ask? I think you will agree Jimbob, that this rejection of Truth & promotion of unbiblical interpretations & lifestyle, has been going on for a long time - from within the Church itself.

Nstew

Good question.

The answer is in ( Acts. 1:26)

The reason it will be Matthias is ( Mt. 26:24)

David0921

Thank you for your reply. Everybody is a sinner before they are saved David. And what it means to be saved is you are given Eternal Life and will be delivered, saved (we will meet the Lord in the clouds) before the wrath of God is poured out on all the disobedient ones who are left on the earth. ( Jn. 3:36).

We are told in ( Acts. 3:19) ((Repent ye)) therefore, and be converted, ((that your sins may be blotted out)), when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

(So repentance is required to have your sins blotted out) Some would call that works, would you David?

( Romans. 3:21-25) v21 "But now the righteousness of God (without the law) is manifested"

v24 "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus"

v25 "through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness (for the remission of sins) ((that are past)) through the forbearance of God" (sins that are past)!

( 1 John. 1:8-10) (We must confess our sins, (REPENT) of our sins before our sins will be forgiven and we will be cleansed from all unrighteousness)

( Acts. 26:20) Tells us "that they should repent and turn to God, (AND DO WORKS) meet for repentance"

David you asked a very interesting question. you asked "How do TRUE BELIEVERS become apostate and come under the wrath of God if Christ has paid the full penalty demanded by the law of God for their sins? Is that not double jeopardy"?

The meaning of the word "apostasy" will give you the answer David, If you truly want the Truth.

["apostasy"] means (An abandonment of what one has professed, a total desertion, or departure from one's faith, a total abandonment of the Christian faith)

So the one's (falling away) in ( 2 Thess. 2:3) are those who abandon what they once professed, who depart from their faith, the (falling away) are those who totally abandon their Christian faith. These would be the same as ( 1 Tim. 4:1) ((some shall depart from the faith, falling away)).

Blessings to you David.

Revelation 21:14

"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

Given what happened to Judas, who would be the 12th apostle in this context?

oops, Ham was Noah's third son.

Cheryl

Part 2

Jesus was a descendant of Judah through David's lineage (which was the line from which kings were to be chosen).

So Cheryl, this is the breakdown of the line of Shem, Noah's son.

The descendants of Japheth (Noah's son) populated the areas of southern Europe and north of Turkey. From these regions, the descendants of Japheth spread out north and east and west. Japheth's descendants were the most numerous of the three sons.

The descendants of Ham settled in the land of Canaan, Egypt, Ethiopia, and most of the African continent. It is believed that they also settled lands around the Indian Ocean.

So, we are not all Hebrews. People are either descended from Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Most of us are descended from more than one of these sons as intermarriage among cousins was common practice in the time of Noah's sons and descendants.

But, to answer your question, Adam and Eve were not Hebrews. The Hebrew people came to be after the flood. The world was populated by the descendants of Noah's three sons. Anyone who was not descended from Jacob (Israel) was a Gentile, as were everyone who came before Jacob.

Paul tells us in Romans 10:12; Galatians 3:7; 3:28-29; Ephesians 2:13-19 that in Christ we are all one in Him, neither Jew nor Greek (gentile) and are all children of Abraham due to our faith in Jesus. Together we are united in Jesus comprising "one new man" in Him, the promised Seed of Abraham to whom the covenant comes to fulfillment. Because Jesus is the true and intended final heir to the covenant made to Abraham, we in Him are made heirs to this covenant also because of our union with Christ.

Cheryl. I do not know how much more you wish to know on this topic. Maybe you can reply to me whatever you want further explanation. I will try to help with what you are seeking in your original post and any subsequent ones.

Even so, those of us who are in Christ are neither Jew nor Gentile