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Israel was sola scriptura,written word only....They knew the Torah by heart....But Jesus asked them one day which of the Prophets has NOT your fathers stoned.....But Jesus refers to them as you are of your father the Devil....The written word answers to the lesser light but the living word which is spirit and life answers to the greater light.

Thats y Jesus is saying are there not 12 hrs in a day and 12 hrs in a night...But if a man walk in the night... the written word only no spirit or life he is gonna stumble....But if he walks in the light the living word the H.G. That new covenant at calvary he will not stumble...Its only Jesus that is the light of the world....There are zillions of bibles in this world but this world is in deep darkness....

I love the bible but its just a love letter from a far away lover....But my bridegroom is Jesus the living word....We will be married to Spirit and life...Jesus/God ....Not paper and ink...God is much greater then a bible....I probable have 20 bibles in my house all kjv's but my bridegoom is Spirit and life the H.G. The living word....That Child of Promise...If salvation cd have come by the written word the bible then the living Word shed his blood in vain and the Cross was just foolishness....But Salvation is only the result of his blood at Calvary that New Covenant....NOT BY THE LETTER A KILLER THAT OLD COVENANT....The soul that sinneth shall surely die....But under this new covenant the blood at calvary....when he had taken the cup he said this is the N.C. In my blood drink ye all of it....Thus this New Covenant the law of life has made us free from the law of sin and death.. Romans 8:2.....We still get bit sometimes as we are still in the wilderness of sin but our snake bite is not fatal if we behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world....ty Jesus....As Moses lifted up a serpent in the wilderness even so must the SON OF MAN BE LIFTED UP....The living word. that had to die for us...

Plz note the woman in Rev.12:5 had to birth a Child which is the H.G. to lead her into the Kingdom....When he the Spirit of truth is come he will lead you into all truth (the kingdom).....But he cannot speak of himself simply b/c he is just an infant that new born babe desiring the sincere milk of the word...Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil CHILD impling that heavenly birth a spiritual birth.....As that which is born of the spirit is spirit thats the H.G. the Child of PROMISE....Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me...ME....Thats how he will come again by the new birth....We are gona have a baby Christ....Thats y he always refers to himself as the Son of Man....Mankind is gona be married to Christ and bring forth fruit unto God... Romans 7:4....But Satan the dragon wants to destroy the woman and her children....Which are the Children of PROMISE....The multiplication of Christ in humanity via his precious seed the living word which is the contents of the book of life.... Jeremiah 30:6 saw all men in travail and birth pains....Which is that New Covenant that he wrote with his own blood at Calvary.... Jeremiah 31:34 I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest and their sins and iniquities will i remember no more.

Behold me and the Children the lord has given me are they not for signs and wonders to the Children of Israel....They are an Israel of GOD.....Children that cannot lie so Jesus is their father....Simply b/c they are gona be born in us via his Precious seed....That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven....Thus the sower/bridegroom and his seed....The wheat is a baby Christ....Simply b/c Christ is the bridegroom....Jesus said that the good seed are the Children of the Kingdom..... Psalms 8:2 For out of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has perfected Praise that thou mightest still the enemy....Our carnal minds satans seat....Thus the babes and sucklings he mentions...Our New BORN.

David0921

David you said yesterday in one of your comments "I am personally convinced that we are in the period of the Great Tribulation".

Today you said "2 Thes 2 is speaking about the situation that is occurring during Great Tribulation within the churches and congregations prior to the return of Christ when God's judgment has fallen upon the churches because of their apostasy".

So wouldn't that be happening right now?

The Word of God tells us that True Believers are the church!

No offence David but it seems you are contradicting yourself here.

My last comment showing the (falling away) in ( 2 Thess. 2:3) to be True Believers is accurate Biblically. If we allow the Word of God to interpret itself, then we will be led into all Truth! If we try to interpret the Word of God ourselves, then very often we get confusion, and deception which can cause our understanding of other parts of Scripture to be misinterpretation, and deception.

Then many are deceiving themselves, and others, often without even knowing it.

Truth matters David. Without an open mind we cannot be led by the Holy Spirit.

Thank you or your reply.

Blessings.

Father I ask as before. Please protect us (in the visible and invisible realms), fight for us (spiritual warfare), guide us, fill us with your power and answer the cries of our hearts Lord. Forgive and cleanse us. Give us your peace (so stressed right now). Please save all unsaved family members. Please do this for all others in need as well. Thank you. In Jesus name. Amen.

does the Bible say that there is Woman Angels?

I'll do my best to ask this question I would always ask questions about things but I would have a hard time understanding are you talking about the believers or the unbelievers how can I do that which group are we talking about I'm sorry if that's a difficult question thank you

Thought I'd just comment on news I've noticed lately about the pride movement pushing and pushing. Christians have been tolerant of this and sometimes quiet in taking a stand to not ruffle feathers- as perhaps some church goers may even be caught up in this deception. Joel Osteen totally dodges subjects like this for example.

But I think we're reaching a breaking point. I no longer think staying quiet and being tolerant is an effective strategy. God opposes the proud and especially sexually deviant or perverted, especially when targeting innocent kids. So, I think we're closer to full out war in a spiritual sense. The satanic side is full on fighting and some are still sleeping while their kids are being indoctrinated 24/7 at school, on social media, news. It's now apparent they are not letting up one inch and are in full offense and our side has hardly even mounted a defense. Some Christians are being plowed over and even converted to satan's morals instead of God's morals.

This is both a prayer request and observation that we are in a full out culture war of good vs evil. They deceive by claiming they're the good guys and that their morals are good and that God's are bad. Classic satan's signature of reversing of the truth.

Also, its apparent that the US is being destroyed. At some point all political sides must agree on this basic fact that the dollar is intentionally devalued- worth less, that millions of illegals have come in, many soldiers from other countries, like a trojan horse. And drugs, crime, murder is possibly an all time high. Everyone needs Jesus so badly. How will we get the message to them when our freedom of speech is under attack. Will we mobilize some effort to push back on this or just roll over and do nothing?

Amen. Thanks for your kind words, GiGi. I still check what's being discussed periodically but have just been busy and haven't posted as much lately. There is a season for everything. I hope you are doing well and in good health.

Thank you Chris, for such a good response to Charlie,

I was wondering how to respond to his posts since they contain so much anti-Christian statements and promote many "New Age" thoughts.

I am glad that you replied to him at the core of what was to be addressed. Thanks again.

Always good to hear from you, Adam.

I have often heard from those who hold to a "once saved always saved" doctrinal position that those who fall away were never saved to begin with.

I wonder if they have ever told someone who falls away that they were never saved before falling away even though the person has called on the name of the Lord for salvation and professed faith in Jesus for salvation.

Such an approach towards people who fall away reflects doubt in Gid and His promises to save those who put their faith in Him and in His Son, Jesus. How can one be sure that they are saved if they may fall into a backslidden condition at any time and then be told that they were never saved to begin with? This is a very cruel way to address those believers who turn from Jesus. We do know if God will turn them back to Him at some time in the future.

We should encourage every believer to trust what God has promised in Scripture about believing on Jesus for salvation. We should never cast doubt on the veracity of what the Scriptures tell us on how we are saved-by faith in Jesus. Those we know who have turned away from the faith given to them by the Holy Spirit need to be encouraged to repent and return to Jesus, not tell them that their conversion was never real or valid.

Thank you for giving a balanced accounting of what the Scriptures actually say concerning salvation, assurance of salvation, and the possibility of true believers falling away from faith. The Scriptures do speak about both the reliability of the saving work of God in a person and also that one who has received this salvation can be preserved in faith by God AND also can fall awayfrom Christ by their own englect of their faith or some trial that sorely tests their faith unto apostasy.

As believers we are to guard our faith and to pray to endure unto the end. We are to treat those who 's faith has been sorely weakened with compassion and true concern for them to return to Christ. He seeks the lost.

Dear Javann, I am happy to pray for you.

Dear Heavenly Father, we present Javann before you in the nae of Jesus asking You to direct Javann's steps daily, leading Javann in the way You desire Javann's life to follow. Make Javann more and more aware of Your calling, showing Javann the path his/her future. We thank You that You have brought Javann to salvation in Your Son, Jesus, and given Javann the strong desire to live according to Your will. We trust that You will continue to help Javann grow in grace and knowledge of You and Your Son, Jesus, our Lord. Amen.

Hi Adam, good to hear from you I was wondering how you are doing since you haven't posted for a while.

Thanks for these verses about enduring in faith until the end. From these we can know that there is an enemy who wishes to undo us in regards to our faith in our Lord. But we have the Holy Spirit in us to strengthen us in faith and empower us to endure. Thank God for this!

But these exhortations tell us that we should not be lax in our walk with God nor take everything lightly when it comes to our relationship with Him. We should be on guard against the schemes of the enemy, the draw of worldliness, and the deceitfulness o our own hearts due to the sinful nature that must be crucified daily.

The Bible speaks of believers falling away from Christ. We should be diligent for ourselves and watchful of other brethren to help them when they are wavering in faith. The gospel is always in season to hear for ourselves and for those we know who are in doubt concerning their salvation and on the verge of turning away from Christ

Again, Adam, so good to hear from you.

Here's some scripture- this is what really matters:

Rev 14:11-12 - this draws a distinction between people burning in hell and people of God (Christians) who "keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus" Those who are inbetween or lukewarm are rejected and won't be saved: Rev 3:16.

Why would the verse say "remain faithful to Jesus" if they are already "saved" people of God? That is conditional. If people chose to not be faithful to Jesus overall they probably aren't people of God.

Rev 13:8 everyone on earth will worship the beast and will burn in hell for eternity according to Rev 14:11.

Rev 2:23. Jesus will repay each according to your deeds.

Rev 2:25. Hold on to the teachings you have until Jesus comes.

Rev 2:5 talks about falling away from the faith- they need to repent.

Rev 1:8 Jesus is the Lord God.

Jude 1:20 Building yourself up in faith. Suggests that building up and keeping the faith takes effort and practice like a muscle.

The scripture is clear what it means. It is the truth. What some people are saying is not the truth and not based on scripture. Beware of that.

Jimbob,

2 Thessalonians 2 is speaking about the situation that is occurring during the Great Tribulation within the churches and congregations prior to the return of Christ when God's judgment has fallen upon the churches because of their apostasy. ( 1Pet 4:17)

2 Thessalonians 2:3,4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The "man of sin" is Satan himself. And 2 Thessalonians 2 is talking about the general condition within the churches where the Bible is no longer the ultimate authority. It is NOT talking about True Believers "falling away" in any sense. In fact True Believes are commanded to flee the churches during the time of the Great Tribulation. (Read Matt 24 and Mark 13).

The reason you and I are understanding the verses you quote differently is that we we have a very different understanding of what the Bible teaches about the Nature of Salvation itself and what it means to be "saved", i.e. to become Born Again.

I have tried to be clear what I believe regarding this and have quoted a few of the many verses that teach this.

Perhaps you might explain your understanding of some of the important aspects of Salvation.

What is our condition before God "saves" us and what does it mean to be "saved", i.e. Born Again?

Please Pray that God shows me his divine purpose for my existence, Pray that he directs my footsteps on a daily basis. pray he enclines his ear to my prayers.

We are 2 ppl, our old man and our new man which is Christ in us the H.G....But at repentance our old man is made clean and the unclean spirit is driven out....But he falls away..He takes 7 more spirits more wicked then himself and they enter in and the last state of that man is worse then the 1 st....He answers to the dog that returns to his vomit and the sow that returns to her mud... Romans 7 :25.....Thats y Paul is saying with my MIND i serve the law of God but with my flesh the law of sin....His mind means the mind of Christ his new man....The H.G....Paul had become 2 ppl...With his flesh means the old man our old adamic nature that was made white at repentance.....But he falls away....Sin revived and i died....Paul was involved in a warfare....Thats y John said he saw war in heaven....Which is our minds where this war is raging And Jesus said violence in heaven....Thats y Paul was saying when i wd do good evil is present with me.....O wretched man that i am....It was only his old man the tare that backslide....That Christ in Paul cd neva fall away....We are not of them that draw back but unto them that press on to the saving of the soul....Our oldman is he that tastes of the H.G. the heavenly gift but he falls away....An old friend that eats at my table has lifted up his heel against me, Judas our flesh, that was in rank with satan....Our old man is the flesh.... In my flesh dwells no good thing.....But we don't care about our flesh its of no value....Its in rank with the forskin that was always thrown in the fire...As our God is a consuming fire....Thats y Jesus wants to bring fire on the earth....Which is baptism of the H.G. and Fire

But when ya read about some falling away it was not that Christ in them the gift of God that fell away It was only their old man that is in rank with satan the flesh....Thats y Jesus refered to Peter as Satan one time...simply b/c of the flesh....His carnal mind...Its impossible to renew our old adamic nature that falls away...

Good morning Adam,

If you read over my comments in this thread and others, including the scripture passages quoted, I think you will find my understanding on some of what the Bible teaches regarding God's Judgement for sin, the Nature of God's Salvation Program, and the sequence of end time events. And most important, the authority of the Bible and how God declares we should approach and interpret His Word.

Much of my understanding is different than what you are suggesting here and in some of your past comments I have read.

Rather than repeat all that here, I'm happy to address my understanding, or lack thereof, of any specific scriptures you wish to discuss.

May God in His Mercy lead us into truth as we continue to read and study His Word, the Bible.

Tina Turner passed away yesterday at 83. when she was younger she was a Christian and sing in a Chruch. but left the faith and became a Buddhist. while God has the final say. i'm praying she will made it to heaven.

Requesting, prayer for healing. Thank you.

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

I have heard that argument many times where someone says anyone who turns from Christianity was suddenly "never a Christian in the first place" but the problem with that argument is it goes against what the Bible says and observable reality. So, a Christian pastor who served for 40 years and falls out of the faith suddenly "never was a Christian" even though he was for 40 years? Is it a miracle that works retroactively that one day a Christian was not a Christian in the past? Then if the fallen away Christian comes back to follow Christ again does it then erase the 40 years of "never was a Christian" where he now was a Christian again? These rules seem make believe and not reality.

My next question then is so if you believe there are many Christians who are serving in the most prominent positions (such as pastors and worship leaders) whom you claim could have never been Christians, that means you think many potential Christians today are not Christians. So, how do you know who is a Christian then? Are you a Christian? What criteria makes someone a Christian or not?

If someone says a sinners prayer after a message and responds and chooses to follow Jesus is that person not a Christian? If he is, then how would he be a Christian, but a Christian pastor who in the future may stumble currently isn't?

As some shared above for every verse that says "I will never blot you out" of the book of life, etc, there's at least double warning about staying on course and to not fall away. So, judging my sheer quantity of scripture, it heavily sides with that, yes, people can fall away. Most of Paul's letters were to churches (Christians) warning them.

Now I must ask WHEN exactly do you believe you are "saved" from hell? Before or after the day of judgment?

God bless.

Thank you Charlie for those thoughts. I must admit that most of them go over my head, especially when I try to relate them to what I read in the Bible. But to focus on some things you have written here that might help me to understand you better.

"the cause of most evil doings is a lack of knowledge as to where we are"; "If we teach spiritual breath first, stillness of mind, governance of emotions and feelings, thought will prevail and prevent waywardness of this I am sure"; "The Christ seed is within us all; such is the grand design of man."

Should I understand then that 'most' of the evil man does is because of ignorance of who he is & where he is in God's Design? That to teach a child in his formative years about mind & emotion control, will enable him to stay on the right path in life? That all who are born into the world have the 'seed of Christ', or as you wrote, "If everybody knew they are in the kingdom of GOD", is this how you perceive the world of fallen man?

If I've understood you correctly, where does the entrance of sin fit in & the subsequent transfer of that sin nature to every person born into the world? From reading, & trying to absorb your beliefs behind your words, it seems that we should understand that all people are God's creation with the Kingdom of God within them & only through self-realization, self-determination & effort, & true & full knowledge of God, can we find peace, happiness & God's acceptance. I realize that I've added my own words that may not reflect yours correctly, but that's how I read them. So my question would be, 'where does the teaching of man's inherent sin nature fit in, with the only repair available to him being through Christ's blood shed; that Sacrifice being man's substitute to satisfy God's Wrath?' If man can simply acquire knowledge & through persistent effort fully realize God's Kingdom within him, would this not negate the whole biblical message of salvation & entire forgiveness & cleansing?

David0921 thank you for your reply.

You said "Someone who falls away and remains in that state was never saved in the first place and was not one of God's elect".

I truly believe ( 2 Thessalonians. 2:3) disproves that statement David, If not then please show me where this is wrong.

The words (falling away) are #646 in Greek; it means defection from truth (properly the state) ["apostasy"] forsake, divorce,

(writing of) divorcement.

This verse is proof that those who are ((falling away)) was True Believers in Jesus Christ.

How else would you explain their receiving a (writing of) divorcement from Jesus Christ?

How else would you explain the "[apostasy"]?

Or the falling away from the truth?

(falling away) is a defection from truth?

Jesus Christ is the truth ( Jn. 14:6) They fall away from Jesus Christ.

["apostasy"] means ((An abandonment of what one has professed, a total desertion, or departure from one's faith, a total abandonment of the Christian faith)) which brings about them receiving a (writing of) divorcement from Jesus Christ.

Those who fall away in ( 2 Thess. 2:3) ((were)) True Believers in Jesus Christ.

Blessings.

Send prayers for a boy named Henry, he is smoking, doing hub and struggling with depression, please pray for him and his salvation. Thank you.

Please pray for my son who is lost and has not found God.

Jimbob,

Someone who falls away and remains in that state was never saved in the first place and was not one of God's elect.

There are many passages in the Bible that implore us to " Examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith". And "to make are calling and election sure". And if we are one of God's elect, we will ultimately do just that by crying to God for mercy that he might save us. This includes those that may have come under the hearing of the gospel, and may have given some outward evidence of salvation, but had never become saved.

If we have a gospel where we can take some action to lose our salvation, then we have a gospel of works. And that gospel will never save us. And it is not the gospel of the Bible. Read carefully the passages that I quoted. And there are many others.

Let me ramble a bit about the bible....It is not out moral Compass....If the bible cd have been our moral compass then Jesus shed his blood in vain and the cross was just foolishness....Its the new covenant that book in the right hand of the father the H.G. the man child....That Child of Promise.....She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations....The man child is the H.G. As that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is our new innerman the H.G. the gift of God....

Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the lil ONES....The babes and sucklings that worship God with a perfect praise....Thats y Isaiah is saying a lil Child is gonna lead them which is the H.G. That Child of Promise....Which is the multiplication of Christ Jesus via his seed his living WORDS....Thats y Elijah has to come and turn the hearts of the fathers to the Children....His Children....The babes and sucklings ....He shall see his seed and be satisfied....Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth ME....And who comes in his name only the H.G. That Child of Promise....Which is the multiplication of Christ Jesus....That was the great Promise i will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven....Thats y John saw a number that no man cd number....We have only 1 moral Compass which is the H.G. The Child of promise....A lil Child is gona lead them....Kings shall be your nursing fathers and queens shall be your your nursing mothers....Men and women are gonna birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. the spirit of truth that is gonna reprove the world of sin and judgement righteousness...ok gbu

Hi guys, I wrote a very long comment, and It did not post since it has links and I forgot what I wrote. By the way, thank you for your inputs. I think I should not really rely on one Pastor to teach me doctrines. I mean, it's really important to search and seek in our own. Now I'm starting to get confused, and I felt that I really need to go deeper and deeper in my walk with God.

Now I want to ask if you believe in Once Saved, Always Saved? Where you are saved through the blood of Jesus Christ, and by accepting it, you are saved and not of your good works. Secondly, do you believe in one true bible? A final authority? And that's KJV? I believe KJV is the one true Bible since I've done my research also about Tyndale, King James and the Translators. We believe KJV is the Final Authority, not because it's perfect in translation, but because it was translated with 100% honesty and the translator was inspired by God. Lastly, do you guys believe that we don't need the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic scriptures since there's KJV, the final Bible that was inspired by God. Also, we can't rely on concordance and dictionary since Ancient Hebrew, Ancient Greek, and Ancient Aramaic were totally different from Modern Hebrew, Modern Greek and Modern Aramaic. People back there have different understanding and interpretation of ancient languages compared to modern ones.

Anyway, I'm sorry if my words are confusing since English is my second language. I really appreciate on what you've shared.

David0921

Thank you for the reply, but you didn't explain that verse. Here's a few more if you would like to try to explain them.

(1) ( Deut. 9:13-14) v14 The LORD says "Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they".

(2) ( Rev. 3:3-5) v5 "and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life".

(3) ( Heb. 3:6) "But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, ((if)) we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end".

(4) ( James. 2:14-18) v14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? v15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food. v16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? v17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. v18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

(5) ( 2 Pet. 2:20-22) v20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. v21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. v22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb. The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

(6) ( 2 Thess. 2:3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a ((falling away)) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

On obedience to Civil Authority

Romans 13:1-7 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

1 Timothy 2:1-3 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Ephesians 6:5-7 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:

1 Peter 2:13,14 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.