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Jimbob,

Galatians 2:16

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Ezekiel 36:24-29

For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Jude 1:24, 25

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

The true gospel of the Bible is a gospel where God does 100% of the work in saving us and our works cannot and do not contribute to our salvation in any way whatsoever.

If we have become saved it is because God has chosen us, paid for our sins, drawn us, and saved us. And He will therefore KEEP us.

If we are following a gospel where we can lose our salvation, we are not following the gospel of the Bible.

Charlie. Our moral compass, I find, is not always the most reliable yardstick to perfectly attain God's Standard of morality & Truth. Simply because that which is in our hearts & from our many life's experiences can still be tainted by the appeals & persuasions of the flesh. For sure, if we fully believed God's Word & fully submitted to His Spirit to lead us in the ways of righteousness, then there can be great confidence that the path we walk down, our beliefs, our opinions, & the decisions we make, might very closely align with the Truth & Will of God for us. But how often is that the case? While we remain in the flesh, we will always be susceptible to it to some degree. But of course, God doesn't judge us for our human failings or sins of omission, but for the condition of our hearts & minds towards Him, all the while looking to Him for mercy to help us in time of our great need or inadequacy.

What we have been given by God in the written Word is sufficient to know His Will for mankind & for each of us personally. We have to believe that or else we tread on dangerous ground if other writings are readily accepted as Truth. We might then syncretize all writings together hoping to form a greater more fuller body of 'truth', when in fact, Truth might have become adulterated to some degree leaving the reader either hopelessly confused or formulating a belief system based on his own imaginations. It is sad enough when we all read from the same Scriptures & yet find that we can still understand them differently & come to various conclusions. If we then add any other writing to it, what then does that do to our understanding? I think it tragic that some hold to beliefs of the Serpent Seed doctrine, or of a purgatory for a final cleansing, even that works can also bring justification. Where do these beliefs come from - certainly not from the given precious Word of God. We need great care in what we read & what we believe, accepting as truth.

David0921 Thank you for your comment on this post.

I'll keep this short.

Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. ( Ps. 69:28)

The word (blotted) is #4229; it means to erase, abolish, blot out, destroy, utterly, wipe (away, out)

People are blotted out of the book of the living! This sounds like they are ((loosing)) salvation that they did have, does it not?

Please explain this verse?

Hey David0921,

Thank you for answering, I know Jesus when He was here the first time He spoke in parables for a reason, that generation of the Priests, Pharisees, Scribes, and Sadducees was so corrupt and sinful it was not for them to understand He was the promised Messiah. I see your understanding although my understanding is different. If Revelation is parabolical who is not supposed to not understand it?

There are many understandings of the end times, and some are deceiving not that yours is. What we must do is regardless of what comes we are ready, strong in our faith, and if we are living, we are ready to face death if that is what we must face.

There is a verse I find with the guidance of the Holy Spirit in my understanding of scripture is Matt. 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

Thank you again,

God bless,

RLW

Hello Ronald,

Those are good questions.

One of the principles for interpreting the Bible is laid down in Mark 4:33-34.

And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it. But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

The book of Revelation is replete with parabolic language that must be understood spiritually and not absolutely literally. And I understand that is not a very comfortable statement to accept for those that want to look at every verse in the Bible very literally. But it is what the Bible declares.

Unfortunately that makes the Bible very difficult to understand in many instances. And much of Revelation falls into that category.

The "first resurrection" spoken of in Rev 20 is, I believe, what happens when our spiritually dead soul becomes Born Again, i.e. raised to life, and God gives that person a brand new "resurrected soul". That person then is not subject to the "second death" i.e. the wrath of God which will be experienced if we have not become saved.

The Resurrection of our bodies occurs at the Last Day, simultaneous with the Rapture when believers will receive their Resurrected Spiritual bodies.

The 1000 years in Rev 20, I believe, is referring to the binding of Satan at the time of the Cross until the beginning of the Great Tribulation when Satan is loosed. ( Matt 24 and Mark 13).

This is a very incomplete answer to your questions, I know.

Hi David0921,

My understanding is the rapture is not a separate event before the second coming of Jesus and my understanding of the white throne judgment is not for just the lost. If I can ask, not to debate but for understanding. If we say at Jesus's second coming, all are resurrected and the living is transformed/raptured and the final judgment happens then, how do we understand the two resurrections in Revelation 19:11-22 and Revelation 20 and the binding of Satan for 1000 years?

Thank You and God bless.

RLW

Bcjta,

I believe God uses the term "last days" in a couple of different ways in the Bible. "Last days" can mean the whole New Testament period or it can mean just the period of the Great Tribulation. This is dependent on the context of the passage. I am personally convinced that we are in the period of the Great Tribulation.

The end of the Great Tribulation will be signaled by the return of Christ to resurrect and rapture all true believers, and execute his final judgment upon Satan and all of those that have not become saved which will include the destruction of this sin-cursed earth, and the creation of new heavens and new earth where all true believers, having received their resurrected spiritual bodies, will live and reign with Christ throughout eternity.

Read Matt 24, Mark 13 and 1 Thessalonians 4.

are we in the last days

2 Corinthians 5:17-21

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

2 Peter 1:1-11

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Praying for you! God bless you!

I'm grateful and thankful please pray for me my son graduated last night and it was it was raining outside that's what they wanted to do everybody was looking pretty but nobody really care the seeds been planted but he doesn't think Christian Life is exciting I try not to text him too much but I care about him our country is falling apart he says he's doing his own thing so pray for me for peace and for Chris maybe someday somebody will come into his life and he will do better with Jesus Christ I hope my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus that their prayers will be answered in Jesus name I pray amen

Jimbob,

Hebrews 6:4 is NOT suggesting that someone whom God has "saved" can lose their salvation. That conclusion is a perfect example that demonstrates how important it is that in arriving at any conclusion, we MUST compare spiritual things with spiritual. And we MUST NOT isolate any verse or passage from the rest of the Bible.

When we look at everything in the Bible that speaks about the Nature of Salvation, God teaches that salvation is 100% the work of God Himself.

All of mankind because of Adam's sin is DEAD in sin and CANNOT and WILL NOT turn to God. We are by nature in rebellion against God, both in body and soul. Every time we commit sin we are breaking the Law of God for which the penalty is eternal death. And we come under the Wrath of God. But that is not the end of the story.

God in His incomprehensible MERCY has chosen a remnant, the Elect, from before the foundation of the world to save. This required that God in the person of the LORD Jesus Christ to take upon Himself every dirty rotten sin that His Elect would ever commit and bear the penalty for their sin, the wrath of God, eternal death, and then be raised again to eternal life. All of this was actually done before God ever created the world.

When God "saves" one of His Elect, He performs a very real miracle of giving them a brand new resurrected soul which can never die and which can never sin and God will complete their salvation by giving them their resurrected spiritual body at the Last Day.

God's elective program is God's business. But one whom God has "saved" will not fall away and continue in unbelief. We CANNOT lose our salvation.

No matter how sinful or rebellious we have been or are now, it is still the day of salvation and we may cry out to God in the very real hope that God might save us. Read Jonah 3. Read Ezekiel 36.

I believe that Hebrews 6 is not talking about individuals. It is talking about the churches of our day that have become apostate. 1 Pet 4:17

Hey Jimbob gbu my man....Yes i will gladly show you a scripture that proves that Jesus is not the written word ( the scriptures)... John 5:39....Jesus says search the SCRIPTURES ( the written words ) in them you think that you have Eternal life...But it is only them that testifies of me....Which are the living words....When he the spirit of truth is come he will testify of me John 16:13 John... 15:26...which is the H.G. THE LIVING WORD....That book in the right and of the father....THE BOOK OF LIFE....LIVING WORDS..The CHILDREN OF PROMISE..Jimbob if Eternal life were in the written words the bible....Then Jesus shed his blood in vain and the cross was just foolishness....God has something much greater for his ppl then just a bible...A KINGDOM....Peter said where shall we go lord thou has the words of eternal life....which is that book in the right hand of the father that Jesus wrote with is own blood...But without Calvary the Cross there wd NOT have been a book of life of living words, living seeds to multiply Christ in humanity the seeds of the sower are the result of the book of life....Written words the bible cd not accomplish what Jesus did at Calvary....Hope you see this Jim...My words are spirit and life Jesus....That good seed is the living words of God...The Wheat is a baby Christ a living being....Simply b/c the sower of that good seed is Christ the bridegroom....Thats y he has to know us....Child is th H.G..

Jesus plainly tells us no man can come unto me unless my father that has sent me draw him...which is the living word the H.G....The contents of that book of life in the right hand of the father...The book of life....The woman in Rev. 12:5 does not give birth till the book of life is opened....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child ( the H.G.) you will in NO WISE enter there in....Her Child is the H.G. the spirit of truth that is gonna reprove this whole world of Sin.Righteousness and Judgement a living being that has to be born in us....

Eph 2:10



8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10

It is by the Grace of God that we are saved, this is through faith in Jesus Christ alone, if not for the unmerited favour towards us all, faith would not have come to us. We were unable to believe before the Holy ghost revealed Christ to us, God choose us, he called us and elected us.

We did not know trust or even know the gospel of Christ. Yet we are gifted but undeserving, knowing We bring nothing to the table, and have nothing to offer; we all start from the same line, sinners.

That is what we are. Thereby we boost not in ourselves or the works and achievements we have or might attained, for we are His, so we boost in God, and all he has worked in us. He is the builder and authe, Knowing who we are, and all we would do, but yet he died for us, who betrayed him. This is grace, this is Gods love. Turn to him, believe and be saved.

Father we thank you today, that you have graced us with your Holy word, which is true and never failing. we thank you for your grace which you shower upon believers and unbelievers alike, we thank you for your mercy and forbearance towards our infirmities. Help us to do the good that you have prepared for us and to walk and live in them as it becomes our way of life.

Hoping i see a dentist soon.

please remember me and my family in your prayers

Hi Digjot;

Yes, I am doing well.

Keep your spirit up for God truly is in control of this world and of history. Compared to our eternal life with Christ , this mortal life is really very short. God will give us strength to endure and comfort in times of trials. He will guide us through evil times and cause us to rejoice in Him.

Hope to here from you often, Dgjot.

Thank You, Gigi. God bless you. I hope you are well.

Dgjot It would seem to me that your post is proof that once saved always saved is only a theory. Many will (fall away) in the Lastdays ( 2 Thess. 2:3) The word (falling) is defection from truth (properly the state) ["apostasy"] divorce, (writing of divorcement).

This would have to be True Believers falling away for it to say ["apostasy"] divorce, and (writing of divorcement).

Thank you for your post.

God Bless.

To clarify my meaning to the Rule I use, Charlie, I don't think my "question suggests restriction in acceptance of truth", rather, my restriction is not dependent on what I perceive to be truth, but the yardstick I use to determine it. If no gauge is used against any body of writing, then I would think that my mind would accept all the ideas & beliefs presented therein, not giving much concern as to what is written & then digested, believing that time & eternity will reveal all.

Rather, the Bible is given to us (i.e. those parchments recovered & preserved for us), so that we might not only learn the Mind & Purpose of God in humanity, but be able to confidently treasure those doctrines & Truths taught, to see how they measure up to anything else presented to us. I don't believe that man needs to attain a heightened state of spiritual understanding to be able to weigh up the differences between truth & error. If we are careful in our reading & study of the Scriptures & knowing that not everything presented to us is true, then Truth & error become apparent.

Even "that God is within every man, male and female" can't be correct, as there are too many Scriptures to show that wickedness & deceitfulness lies in the heart of each one of us and none of us our righteous, not even one ( Jeremiah 17:9; Psalm 14:1-4 & Romans 3:9-18). What we have here then, is whether the words & instructions of men are equal to or more worthy than the Word of God. Not only from the pages of the Bible, but also from visible demonstrations of the workings of men's hearts, we find that mankind has rejected his Creator & His Word, doing all that satisfies his flesh & corrupt mind - all proving that God could never be found in man, but He is clearly evident when He sends His Spirit to regenerate & restore man from an unrighteous to a righteous state. And this is where Truth comes to the fore: when the Bible is held against any other writing, & this other one is found wanting.

Part 2

The earth will have the fullness of harvest and life during the Millennium. The vast transfer of wealth to the Temple of God and administering ruling over cities and areas of the world may correspond with places we lived in our earlier life on earth; or made appropriate for the level of service or lack thereof which we lived using our gifts and resources for the Lord at that time.

At the end of the Millennium there is the last final rebellion where the number is as the "sand of the sea" ( Revelation 20:8). Largely; that would be a campaign warning both the deception of those descendants of those who survived Armageddon have because of wicked hearts ( Jeremiah 17:9) as well as Satan being a reality since he wouldn't be seen for the 1000 years. I am a firm believer in predestination as other verses make clear; so that as now we will just be a faithful witness so that His warnings will be recieved by those who are appointed to eternal life and rejected by those not in the Lamb's Book of Life. Again; it is obvious that the Gospel as stated now will not be necessary to prove somehow that Christ is Lord. Isaiah 65:20 indicates those who die at 100 are considered accursed; and we know that during the Millennium God will swiftly deal with rebellion. Those who do wish to go against the Lord will be waiting; perhaps for many hundreds of years for the final rebellion against God; somehow thinking that Satan himself can succeed even though he failed before. No doubt Satan will have some insane explanation of where he was the 1000 years; somehow convincing everyone that he has overcome being bound by his own effort and amassed enough strength to defeat God and His people. Perhaps having God's people close by on earth rather than heaven will convince everyone that he can defeat them suddenly. We know of course how that will end.

As for now; Ephesians 6 shows how we fight spiritual warfare ( 1 Peter 5:9). Evangelism and prayer are our current mission.

Usually; when we look to scriptures on God's promises; we are looking for His Providence in our individual needs and concerns such as finding a spouse; providing food; clothing and shelter and those basic salvation assurances such as John 3:16 which we have as an anchor to our soul; to quote Hebrews 6:19. We also look to heaven and being reunited with our loved ones; hopefully realizing that only those in Christ will have an eternal future which we would desire to share as 1 Corinthians 15 starting in verse 14 assures us of as a future reality.

Admittedly; there aren't a lot of specific verses as to what exactly we will be doing in the Millennium and eternity. I have elaborated on rewards involving ruling over more or less cities in regard to our faithfulness now; as well the scripture about David once again ruling as co-regent under Christ (see Jeremiah 30:9). The Levites are said to have some sort of role at least in the Millennium; with sacrifices in a new temple mentioned in the last few chapters of Ezekiel.

Perhaps studying Israel as a Theocracy in the past (although certainly not a perfect example) gives us some idea how we will rule and reign with Christ ( Rev. 2:26-27 but also somewhere in the O.T. mentioned as well). Isaiah 66:19-20 shows what the physical survivors will do after Armageddon in reaching distant places gathering them for worship in Jerusalem.

As Resurrected Saints interacting with earthly people; we may need to be in charge of ensuring that ceremonial purification occurs so that those in our presence not to mention in the presence of Christ won't die because of some impurity. It is hard to say how our roles will work with those who are in physical bodies still doing some sort of Temple ritual. We also will probably work out disputes; perhaps initally as a sort of cleanup crew (again with the physical survivors) after the Ezekiel 38 war (likely part of the campaign related to Armageddon).

Hello Dgjot,

Haven't heard from you for awhile. Welcome back on here.

This Scripture in Hebrews is difficult in respects to the danger to those who have turned from Jesus after once walking with Him. Hell is real and the destination of all who are not in Christ Jesus-even some we know and love. How much we should pray that our own faith will endure to the end and that of those we know as believers. How much we ought to pray for all whom we know who are non believers. We pray for God to provide many opportunities for us to share the gospel. There is much need amid all the evil we see and know about. So much more we do not see and know about. But God knows all and is ever working to draw people into this life of faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 6:

4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened"....."If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance".

Don't these people realize that they spit in the face of Jesus and threw away their salvation???? There's no 2nd chance for them. Many false preachers/deceivers are in the world, teaching non-Biblical nonsense. I see billions of people sliding down a greased pole to hell.

I cringe whenever I hear of "Christians" who ditched Jesus in favor of Islam, or any other "religion".



Matthew 17:5

"While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which (God) said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."



Christians get a bad rap. They are commissioned to spread the Word that only Jesus can save humans from their sins. Christians try to warn others that if they don't repent of their sins and seek Jesus, they will go to hell.

As a Christian (but not a very good one) I'm so sick of the wicked and their in-your-face debauchery. Christians are accused of being controlling, hypocritical and hateful. It's so disheartening and exhausting to try to talk to these people. Should I grieve for anyone who knowingly rejects Jesus and dies in their sins??? I'm sure God and Jesus are broken hearted. Somewhere people got the idea that Hell will be one big party. NOT!

David0921 no offence but the book in the right hand of the Father is that New COVENANT by the blood of Jesus at Calvary....That book of life that Jesus wrote with his own blood....But the bible is not that same book of life....The Jews had the bible the Torah they were sola scriptura....Bible only...But they stoned almost all the prophets....But Jesus tells them they were of their father the devil....Thats y Jesus is saying Search the scriptures in them you think you have eternal life but its them that testify of me....Which is the H.G. THE LIVING WORD a living being the manchild that is gonna rule all nations...That spirit of truth that Jesus said is gonna reprove the world of sin and righteousness and judgement....plz note the Prince of this world cannot be judged by the bible the written word....He can only be judged by the manchild the H.G. that Child of Promise...The spirit of truth the man child which is the H.G.THE CONTENTS OF THAT BOOK in the fathers right hand ....The book of life....David if the bible cd have given us a new covenant at CALVARY....And redeemed humanity then Jesus shed his blood in vain and the CROSS WAS JUST FOOLISHNESS....There was no ETERNAL LIFE IN THE BIBLE THE SCRIPTURES....This N.C. CD ONLY COME BY THE BLOOD OF Jesus at Calvary....Which resulted in that book of life in the fathers right hand....Love your zeal David Gbu....

Dearemi, I am happy to pray for Caleb today.

Dear Heavenly Father, we ask in the name of Jesus that You will cause these seizures in Caleb to cease and heal the underlying condition that causes these seizures. Help the doctors know how to best treat Caleb's condition. We ask that you bring haling and health to Caleb along with blessings of faith and in Jesus and trust in You to completely save him. Amen.

Charlie Slaves,

God is very jealous for His Word. That Word is the Bible ALONE and in its ENTIRETY. Why would anyone want to challenge God on that score when the penalties for doing so are so great.

Revelation 22:18,19

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

There is no more serious question when it comes to our relationship with God.

Amen and thank you so much. I really do appreciate it. God bless you.

Lord Jesus please send strong protection, encouragement, breakthrough (esp. salvation, deliverance, healing) and help with various other issues, circumstances you know about. Please help all others in need as well. May your name be lifted up and may you glorify yourself in our midst and may multitudes still be saved before its too late. Maranatha. Thank you Lord. In your name I pray. Amen.