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hey guys! this is an important prayer request, of Brother Jonathan's little brother Caleb, he had a seizure, please pray for him. thank you.

Please remember me and my family in your prayers

Thank you Charlie for your further comments. Just to hone in on your words: "they (the apocryphal writings) remain steadfast as immovable lines upon which we each write our own uni-verse into the book of creation"; there have certainly been a lot more material written, more than we see in the Canon of Scripture, but in the final analysis, all words have to be subject to a pre-determined accepted body of Scripture where Truth is paramount.

If there is any clear conflict observed against the Canon of Scriptures, then that writing has to be read with great care, even treated with suspicion. I always use this rule: even in the Qur'an there is much Truth to be read - but would I ever use it to gain knowledge & inspiration to live a godly life? What does this book or any apocryphal book hold for me that I can't fully receive, hold onto & depend on, than God's Word to us in the Bible?

Hello, I'm Elijah Ivan Rosa. I'm in need of a miracle.

The Resurrection and Rapture of ALL True Believers (Jews and Gentiles alike that God will have saved throughout history) is spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This is the one and only one Rapture spoken of in the Bible. And it will be on the Last Day ( John 6:39,40,44,54), which will occur IMMEDIATELY following the Great Tribulation spoken of in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. We are currently living in the period of the Great Tribulation. The Resurrection and Rapture are simultaneous events and will initiate Judgement Day when God will execute His Final Judgement upon all those that have not become saved, destroy this sin-cursed earth, and create New Heavens and a New Earth where in ALL True Believers will live and reign with Christ eternally.

There is no future salvation program for Israel as a Nation. And there is no Future Kingdom that Christ will establish on this sin-cursed earth. The Israel that God is concerned about is the "Israel Above" made up of all True Believers (a remnant from every nation) that God will have saved throughout history and will be joint-heirs with Christ in His Eternal Kingdom ( Romans 8:17, Hebrews 11).

Further insights on 144,000

It would appear from Revelation 14:14 that the 144,000 standing on the heavenly Mt. Zion are indeed translated. There is no mention as with the multitude of being martyred.

Technically; there is no proof that the 144,000 aren't scattered throughout the earth rather than just in Israel. There would certainly seem to be a connection between them and the 2 prophets as they will be able to control the plagues of weather on the earth which would of course affect whatever region or area the 144,000 are ministering in.

One thing I neglected in the last posting is the fact that there is no mention of the 144,000 evangelizing to the multitude. If they do that sort of ministry; it is clear that their preservation from the plagues of God will make them stand out; as well as their exemplary character during the time of unrestrained sin. (see Revelation 7). The type of plagues and timing must be close with them and the 2 Prophets; some overlap may be present between the first and second half of the Tribulation where their ministry occurs. Sequentially; it appears they start before the Trumpet judgments and exit at the time of the sixth trumpet around when the prophets die and are resurrected (see Revelation 11:13-14).

The warnings in Matthew 24 about persecution; martyrdom; wars; etc. have a preliminary fulfillment at least for the Apostles ending around AD 70. It would seem the same pattern fits in with today and those final witnesses in Israel. Deuteronomy 4:30-31 seems to show how God will respond in the last days during the Tribulation; again only for those Israelites who truly repent. Many will no doubt follow Antichrist to their own demise.

Revelation and the 144,000

Jesus said that not all the towns would be preached to in Israel before the Son of Man came back ( Matt. 10:23). When we look at the seventy who went out ( Luke 10:1) we see what may be a prototype; so to speak of those sent out "two by two" in the future in regard to the two prophets in Revelation. The time of Jacobs trouble in Jeremiah 30:7 shows how the Tribulation is basically for testing of the Jewish people. In light of this; we see the 144,000 also fulfilling the role and God's judgment in Matthew 25:36 seems to be dependent on how people support or don't help out those evangelists during the Tribulation.

I have stated several times the significance that by the sixth seal everyone is aware of God and His Son in heaven and their wrath that is coming. I have also stated that even if the Rapture is hidden in meaning to some; the Resurrection and resulting emptying of tombs cannot be hidden. Thence the fear of the Lord will wake some up ( Psalm 40:3); while others harden their hearts beyond hope as we see the reactions in the Trumpet judgments (where idols continue to be worshipped); and the bowl judgments where ultimately Satan is sided with by all unregenerate to fight Christ in Armageddon ( Rev. 19; Psalm 2).

Hence; we are seeing signs and wonders as in the Old Testament but we have Christians on earth. The church; however represented by kings and priests ( Rev. 5:10 and later scriptures in the same book) is separated as the Bride of Christ from the general throng of believers. THe type of gospel preached; therefore would much like Jesus preached to the spirits in 1 Peter 3:19; more of a declaration. There will be people saved; but as I see it many at least who have garments made white ( Rev. 7:14) may be lukewarm believers left behind or at the very least it is the requirement of those who wish to bear fruit at that time. Revelation 17:8 shows how predestination affects those lost; and those saved are in the Book.

Thank you for your response Jesse A.

Alex, thanks for your explanation. However I respectfully disagree strongly with your point and the especially the way you interpret Scripture (which nearly always tends toward misinterpretation and misapplication and twisting of the Scripture text.) And yet, after all that you posted, your reasoning does not prove your point from a Scriptural standpoint.

Best wishes to you today.

No Problem Jesse.

Jimbob i will gladly show you a scripture that Proves the Saints are Spirits....Which are the Children of PROMISE THE H.G. Spirits.... Romans 9:8....The Children of the flesh are not the Children of God but the Children of PROMISE are counted for that good seed....The Flesh can only be a joint heir but the real heir is the H.G. THE CHILD OF PROMISE....Not Flesh and blood folks but ..the H.G....As Flesh and blood are not the Children of God thus cannot be ....As its only the H.G. That are the children of PROMISE.....And Sarah shall have a son....Now we are bornagain and have a son which is the H.G. that Child of Promise....and the SAINTS OF GOD ARE SPIRITS....But we are just a joint heir with the H.G. Romans 8:17 kjv....The elect lady which is the Church is the joint heir simply b/c she is the bride....2 John

GiGi the H.G. has to be born in us....Thats y Jesus has to know us....The H.G. requires a seed...Even Jesus was God but he had to be born in Mary via a heavenly seed the living word....Gal.4:1...Now i say unto you that the heir ( the H.G.) as long he is a Child differs nothin from a servant....Though HE BE LORD OF ALL...Thats y Jesus is saying that which is born of the spirit is Spirit....Thats the H.G. the Child of Promise... that has to be born in us....Our new heart and new spirit our only Saint and innerman....Thats y Jesus is saying when he the spirit of truth is come he cannot speak of himself...Simply b/c he is just an infant and infants cannot speak for while....Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me...simply b/c he is that new born babe desiring the sincere milk of the word....Thats y he always refers to himself as the Son of man simply b/c mankind needs to birth a new innerman a new heart and new spirit...And the H.G. is the Kingdom unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in.

..... Romans 9:8 Not all Israel is Israel that is the Children of the flesh are not the Children of God....Its only the Children of PROMISE that are counted for that good seed....Flesh and blood are not the Children of God....Thus Flesh and Blood can NOT be the SAINTS OR THE ELECT.....Its only the H.G. that are the Children of Promise....And the Israel of God....Behold i send the Promise of my Father upon you...Which was baptism of the H.G. THE ONLY Child of Promise....Thus the SAINTS are not flesh and blood but Spirits.

Dear Brother/Sister,

I am sam from UK.I need more prayer need for my spiritual life and for the anointing and to my work.kindly please pray for our family too.

Name of my wife : Jothi

Children's are Evangeline & Elana.

Sincerely

sam ernest

Good morning, GiGi,

My apologies. I should have opened up the thread first. I just saw that you were posting to Jesse and thought that you were posting to me but I wasn't sure what it was about.

I see now that there is someone else posting with my name, except this person's user name is Jesse A. All my posts will always just say Jesse.

Anyway, have a blessed day!

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Jordan Neely was laid to rest Friday after his uncall for death. i'm asking God to heal Jordan family and bring them peace at this difficult time. i hope and pray that Jordan and his family get justice and that his murderer be charge for murder not manslaughter Jordan didn't deserve to die and he didn't threat anyone. all he asked was for something to eat, drink, and somewhere to live. i also hope the two other guys who also help murdered Jordan also get charge as well. none of this shouldn't never happened. i'm asking for prayers for Jordan family. amen.

GIGI

Thank you for your responses, and I hope you are having a wonderfully blessed day. Yes ma'am, I agree with you. We must hold fast to Gods truth and test all things spiritual and backed scripturally.

To answer your question, yes I did mean to send that message to you. As I myself , Did have an amazing and tremendously blessed experience . In which i was not worthy of. But through Gods ever abounding mercy , grace and infinite love he allowed me to experience it.

I try always to share my testimony, as I desire with all my heart that everyone know the truth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ . And How much he really loves us.

I know with all my heart, mind ,body and spirit,

Jesus is the way the truth and the life.

I pray the lord bless you tremendously,

And keep up the good fight.

I love you all.

Well Stated Brother Chris.

"His contact with His Father & His angels were separated only by position, not by relationship & possession."

God bless.

Yes, I was responding to the post from Jesse A.

Am I mistaken on who sent the response to my post?

Pierre1939 It would seem that you read over ever post without even trying to see the context.

First, Jesus died on the cross to give salvation and eternal life to all who Believe on Him.

Now ( Jn. 1:1-3,14) v1 Tells us "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD".

v14 Tells us "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us".

The Word was God in flesh! ( Ps. 12:6-7) v6 Tells us "The words of the LORD are pure words". v7 "Thou shalt keep them O LORD, thou shalt (preserve) them from this generation for ever". (God's promise to preserve His Words for ever).

The Word was God in flesh! ( Mt. 4:4) We should live by ((every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God)).

The Word was God in flesh! ( Prov. 30:5-6) v5 ((Every Word)) of God is pure. v6 Add thou not unto ((his words)).

The Word was God in flesh! ( Jn. 14:23-24) v23 If a man love me he will keep ((my words)) v24 "and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me".

The Word was God in flesh! ( 1 Pet. 1:23-25) v23 "by ((the word of God)), ((which liveth)) and ((abideth for ever))". v25 But ((the word of the Lord endureth for ever)), And this is ((the word)) which ((by the gospel)) is preached unto you".

Can you provide the Scripture that shows you that Jesus is not the written Word?

How about this verse? ( 2 Tim. 3:16) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". The word (scripture) is #1124; it means a document, to write, to describe.

How would we reproof doctrine without the pure preserved written Word?

How could we correct doctrine without the pure preserved written Word?

Please study this instead of just reading (over it) Pierre. Thank you.

Blessings.

GiGi,

Did you mean to send this to me?

David0921 thank you for your response. I really don't know what you mean by me using these verses as a counter to ( Rev. 22:18). I always looked at ( Rev. 22:18-19) as we should not add too or take away from (the words) of (the prophecy) of

(this book) the Bible.

I agree completely there are no contradictions in the Bible, that is in the KJB. I believe modern versions may have contradictions, modern versions are not Inspired by God.

In ( Acts. 2:17-21) v17 Tells us "and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams".

This is speaking of the last days, I believe we are living the last days time period now.

These verses have to speaking of this time period if we look at ( Acts. 2:20) We see "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come".

Then if we look in the book of Revelation for this same event, it happens in ( Rev. 6:12) with the opening of the sixth seal, "and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood".

I really don't see any other way to take those words any differently than they are written in ( Acts. 2:17) "and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams".

I would like to hear your understanding of this and also what you gather from the study you spoke of.

There is nothing like being in the Word of God today, It is Alive!

Thank you again David.

God Bless.

For strength in my new journey my husband passed away on 02/23/23 so I am a widow.. and I have to sell my home and move out of state we lived there for 23 years our children grew up in this house and I had to get a part time job jus to make ends meet . there is no retirement no benefits for I am to young so I am grieving packing up a home and working I am mentally and physically tired I need help thank you

sara skold

Jimbob Jesus was not the written word, Jesus is the living word....Jesus died to give us a new covenant which are living words Baby Christs....living beings the babes and sucklings he mentions which are an Israel of God....Spirits as that which is born of the spirit is spirit.....Which is the H.G. a living being....A kingdom child....Unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil CHILD....Jim this N.C. at Calvary has a much deeper meaning then what you are understanding....Remember that great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven....When a seed dies it multiplies remember what he told the Greeks that wanted to see him...Unless a seed dies it abides alone....But if it dies there will be much fruit many Christ as the stars of heaven......Jim his death is not about written words....But living words baby Christ....Thats y the woman is giving birth to the Children Rev 12 :5..Which is his multiplication via his seed the living words as my words are spirit and life...Jim the result of the Cross is multiplication and regeneration of Christ....Thats y he is saying blessed are them that follow me in the regeneration....When he sows his precious seed in humanity everybody is gona have a baby...Which is a baby Christ...The son of man mankinds fruit unto God....Jim we had written words in the old covenant....But the letter was a killer....But this N.C. is not about written words...But Living beings ...Gods to whom the word came it made them Gods...That what the babes and sucklings are baby Christ living beings...Remember Isaiah said he wd see his seed...Which is the H.G. his offspring....Thats y Isaiah refers to Jesus as everlasting father...He is gonna father many Children via his precious seed....But his Children are spirits as he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G.....Thats y he has to know us....The H.G. are the Children of Promise....Jim plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman gives birth....A lil child is gona lead us.

Promises of God continued

We may not come to full understanding in terms of our individual lives; but God is faithful in all His promises which are most often expressed in covenants in the Bible. Again; it is in the context of corporate worship; being part of the armies of God; His Body etal. where our identity should be saught and expressed. My favorite saying on this is that we are going to be together for all eternity; so we should start getting along with one another now.

With our Resurrection; of course comes full restoration. We know that heaven itself has streets of gold and is adorned with all sorts of unimaginable gems on the doors and walls. We see in Isaiah how the animal kingdom is going to be restored ( Isaiah 11:6-9); how natural lives will be restored to where they were before the flood; and how we will literally rule over cities ( Luke 19:17 and surrounding verses). The fullness of the earth and harvest; as well as great material wealth also will occur starting in the Millennium. So in all these things his promises are "yea and amen" ( 2 Cor. 1:20). Those who were widows; orphans; martyrs and otherwise suffering in this life will come to a better country in the future ( Heb. 11:16).

There are also promises in terms of the fate of the wicked. Realizing what we have come from helps us now in our fallen state to humbly adore and worship God in a manner fitting for His saints. We must realize that we cannot return to Eden; in our natural state. We are crucified with Christ; therefore and part of a new and better life as Galatians 2:20 states. We are now in enemy territory; and nothing on our part can change that if we are indeed living a Godly life in Christ Jesus. We are aliens passing through; and the charms of this world should no longer bring comfort to our minds and tempt us to make a bargain in any way with the prince of this world to have a comfortable life. May we trust God in all things according to His will. ( Psalm 37:4

Jesse,

In my first post, I was referring to that which Jesus brought from heaven, is deity made flesh, His perfect life, His sacrifice for sins, His resurrection from death and ascension to heave. Jesus did that in His own divine power. No man can do that. That is my main point.

Perhaps this clarifies your question about my post.

Jesse, I can see your point on this. My uncle had such an experience when he had a heart attack and then was revived. He said he saw Jesus who was reaching His hand out to him. I know things like this occur to people at times, but not very often. I cannot vouch for any such experience of another person. They may be genuine or not. But I take the Lord's words seriously, therefore, as I said, we should beware of those who report such experiences. I did not say to dismiss such claims. We should test all things, especially anything to seems to contradict the Lord's words.

Check out the other translations by clicking the verse and scrolling down- all of them say sun. It's already correct.

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Fire, and hail, and flying swords, and many waters, that all fields may be full, and all rivers, with the abundance of great waters. And they shall break down the cities and walls, mountains and hills, trees of the wood, and grass of the meadows, and their corn.

And they shall go steadfastly unto Babylon , and make her afraid. They shall come to her, and besiege her, the star and all wrath shall they pour out upon her: then shall the dust and smoke go up unto the heaven, and all they that be about her shall bewail her. And they that remain under her shall do service unto them that have put her in fear."

Revelation 18:4-9

Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

"Come out of her, My people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues. For her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

Give back to her as she has done to others; pay her back double for what she has done; mix her a double portion in her own cup. As much as she has glorified herself and lived in luxury, give her the same measure of torment and grief.



In her heart she says,

'I sit as queen I am not a widow and will never see grief.'

Therefore, her plagues will come in one day-death and grief and famine-and she will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her."

Then the kings of the earth who committed immorality and lived in luxury with her will weep and wail at the sight of the smoke rising from the fire that consumes her. In fear of her torment, they will stand at a distance and cry out:

"Woe, woe to the great city, the mighty city of Babylon! For in a single hour your judgment has come."

Malachi 4:2

"But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."

Sun is correct.

2 Esdras 15:28-45

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"Behold a horrible vision, and the appearance thereof from the east: Where the nations of the dragons of Arabia shall come out with many chariots, and the multitude of them shall be carried as the wind upon earth, that all they which hear them may fear and tremble. Also the Carmanians (Iran) raging in wrath shall go forth as the wild boars of the wood, and with great power shall they come, and join battle with them, and shall waste a portion of the land (Afghanistan) of the Assyrians.

And then shall the dragons have the upper hand, remembering their nature (Taliban); and if they shall turn themselves, conspiring together in great power to persecute them, then these shall be troubled bled, and keep silence through their power, and shall flee. And from the land of the Assyrians shall the enemy besiege them, and consume some of them, and in their host shall be fear and dread, and strife among their kings.



Behold clouds from the east and from the north unto the south, and they are very horrible to look upon, full of wrath and storm. They shall smite one upon another, and they shall smite down a great multitude of stars upon the earth, even their own star; and blood shall be from the sword unto the horse's belly, and dung of men unto the camel's hough.



And there shall be great fearfulness and trembling upon earth: and they that see the wrath shall be afraid, and trembling shall come upon them. And then shall there come great storms from the south, and from the north, and another part from the west. And strong winds shall arise from the east, and shall open it; and the cloud which he raised up in wrath, and the star stirred to cause fear toward the east and west wind, shall be destroyed (detonated). The great and mighty clouds shall be puffed up full of wrath, and the star, that they may make all the earth afraid, and them that dwell therein; and they shall pour out over every high and eminent place a horrible star.