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Tithes today?

Lord has been great and helping me with my period of anxiety and I am making progress. Would appreciate prayer to cover me to keep progressing and Lord to help me to learn more to prevent this from happening again.

Is there a bible verse on not been taken for granted

Totally agree, I to believe in God's Word fully. But opponents do not regard the word as credible, and try to distort everything. We who have come to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ have been given many assignments, defend the Word, preach the Word, live the Word. And not least, we know that God's Word Is True!

Keep up the good work "BlessedChildofGod" and know that we are moving toward glory with God in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ and kingdom with the Holy Spirit who will enlighten everyone of right and wrong in the world. Believe that when Jesus has said, "it is for your benefit that I go away, for then He can send the Holy Spirit to us". Hallelujah Amen! Stay close to the word, The Word has the power to deliver us in all situations, Search and you shall find. Amen 1 Philippians chapter Love u in Christ

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c. Daniel 5:14. Here you wrote, "That verse is speaking of Belshazzar who was the son of Nebuchadnezzar." I'm unsure if you are at the same verse here Jimbob. My Bible shows that Nebuchadnezzar had renamed Daniel as Belteshazzar (v12). So when Daniel (Belteshazzar) was brought before Nebuchadnezzar, the king told him, "I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and that light and understanding and excellent wisdom is found in thee" (v14). My question was, why should God Who inspired His Word, have allowed such a thing to be written? Surely, God Who presumably inspired the KJV translators to write "the Son of God" should have also inspired them to write 'the Spirit of God' & not 'the spirit of the gods'? Therefore, in the Chaldean understanding of those passages, both 'son & spirit' refer to 'their gods' not THE God.

d. In Daniel 2:47, I don't believe that Nebuchadnezzar's belief in the ONE God changed at all. Here in the verse, he admits that Daniel's God was indeed the God of gods and Lord of kings. The king wasn't about to give up on his gods at all but had relented that the demonstrations of Daniel's God showed that this God was above his other gods. At the most, he probably now had a greater respect and fear for the God of Heaven & so gave special license to Daniel & his three companions to worship their God & punishment to those who speaks against Him ( Daniel 3:28,29).

Therefore, to believe that the KJB is a perfect translation direct from God can't be true. No translation ever is, whether of the Bible or any other work. An examination of any Bible translation work will always reveal errors from the original, as any translation from one language to another would. Indeed, God's Word IS preserved 'from this generation forever', but I would always go back to the original writings (whenever some dispute arises in the translations) to find & learn more from that preserved Word & not the translated Word. Every blessing.

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Thank you for your response Jimbob. Going through the points you raised:

a. Yes, I do believe that the Holy Scriptures are God-breathed; but I also believe that what was given as written records were direct words that people spoke, just as the Words that the LORD Himself spoke. So here in Daniel, we read the words that Nebuchadnezzar spoke. Should I then dismiss the king's words because various translations reveal something different? I cannot accept that the king said, "the form of the fourth is like the Son of God" (KJV), when the original texts show, "the fourth looks like a son of the gods" (NIV). I understand God-breathed as both what was directly spoken by God/what He put upon the heart & mind of the prophets to write & what the prophets recorded when hearing or receiving the words of man. If you spoke some words to me & I wrote them down exactly as given, I don't believe that I need any external intervention to help me write those words. If I recorded your words correctly as I heard them, then that remains as truth - what a copyist or language translator does after that will either correctly bring out that word or else presents it as an error.

b. You wrote, "The KJB has said it was the (Son of God) for 400 plus years". You are correct here, even as I checked the 1611 KJB that shows it. But I'm not referring to a 400 year old translation, but to a 2,500 year old Book/Prophecy written in Aramaic & Hebrew, from which the manuscripts have been preserved. Even the Tanakh (the Hebrew Scriptures) record it (in an English translation): "He called out and said, "Behold, I see four free men walking in the midst of the fire, and there is no wound upon them, and the form of the fourth one is like [that of] an angel." Even here, the difference in recording is seen. But in all cases, to assume that 'the fourth one is like the Son of God, i.e. Jesus', is quite inaccurate & demonstrates a certain liberty taken by the KJV translators.

Please remember me and my family in your prayers today , please remember the Smith family , Willis Smith was killed in a car accident yesterday he was a good man of God , pray for his family , Pray for the lost of the world

MiltonSharon,

These verses would apply:

1 Corinthians 15:52

Revelation 3:10

1 Thessalonians 5:9

Luke 12:40

Hope this helps!

What are the cross references for the rapture in Thessalonians 4?

hey there, i have had the same issues with YAH, still here. my issues started with the courts in annarbor (aka sodom) and the homos and fem bias. there was many lies told about me by a "christian" to these people (people is questionable) and i had many blows to my character and livelyhood. i am better now, at peace with YAH and i will not have to answer to the false witness by this "christian" woman, she has a lot to answer for! anyway put the idea of leaving this earth out of your mind, it is not worth the risk of losing eternal life with YAH. my real turn of events started in kind of a simple way, i planted an apple seed and it is now growing strong (about 2 years ago). seeing the wonder and miracles of this earth, HIS handy work i do not want to miss meeting the Creator of all the stuff on this earth. i am at total awe of the detail, the miracle of life on this earth. life does suck on the earth but it was not intended to be this way. i blame the enemy (satan), the counterfeiter (that is what i call #2 wanting to be #1). i thought i was stupid, lol. his time is short and that's why he is working so hard now to screw up so many people. since you know your problem you are on a good path to recovery. as far as the woman issue, well, avoid them as much as possible. just another pain in the.... and NO i am not a homo, that lbgtoenzlkdifnaknaq alphabet rainbow garbage is satanic. just look around and praise the Creator for this opportunity on this beautiful and wonderful earth. look on positive side, even though we are poor, we are rich to be aware and be able to seek the truth, this world is FULL of lies by satan, a liar and murderer from the beginning. as the days go by it gets better, search for the truth, you will find it.

Houston...we have a problem

As we sojourn through life; there are many pitfalls which we should avoid whenever possible. It is helpful to seek wisdom as Proverbs makes clear it is more valuable than silver and gold (chapter 3; verse 14). Whatever our mission; we do well to consistently check off the boxes; as it were in evaluating how committed we are in our walk as well as be careful to avoid being ensnared in things that so easily entangle us ( Heb. 12:1) in order to run the race to the end.

God; of course is the "captain of our salvation" ( Heb. 2:10) and the author and finisher of our faith ( Heb. 12:2). Having set forth on our trajectory; and not having "shot ourselves in the foot" to cause us to skew off of the path we have Christ as our High Priest; as well as the Body of Christ placed in strategic places. Of course; a lot depends if they are fully aremed as Ephesians 6 describes. Satan always sets out to find the weakest link; and as we know a loose bolt and such can wreak havoc on a jet engine. We can so often consider only our own affect when we fall away rather than collateral damage to others who the Lord would like to use us for as a minister of reconciliation ( 2 Cor. 5:18).

He uses all things for the good for those who LOVE HIM (shouting intentional from Romans 8:28). If we are invaded by hostile forces; and we are walking in the Spirit you can be certain that your light is shining before men thus bringing out that behavior.

Persecution of course is promised for all who would be Godly in Christ Jesus ( 2 Tim. 3:12 and elsewhere). Boldness; however as Paul had helped to spread confidence among the brethren because of His excellent testimony. Would it be that we would be turning the world upside down ( Acts 17:6) rather than those who the world is making shipwrecked ( 1 Tim. 1:19).

Not that I usually quote secular artists but Neil Young said it is better to burn out than fade away (my my hey hey). Let us go out in a blaze of glory.

Please pray that Jamie Foxx will recover. his family has said that they are preparing for the worst. Jamie is only 55 year old and has been in the hospital for almost a month.

GiGi,

My prayers, along with brothers Chris and Spencer are also with you for a safe trip there and back home. Arizona is a great state. I was born and raised there (Phoenix). I lived there for 18 years before going into the Air Force. Anyway, enjoy your trip, have fun with your friend, and may the Lord see you both home safely.

God Bless!!!

Jimbob,

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Jimbob, if the KJB is the most printed book of all time, I am okay with that. But what would you say if you found out that the KJB is not the bestselling translation? You're probably not going to like this, but if you do on-line research, you will see that the NIV is the best-selling bible translation. And no, before you ask again, I do not see that as a positive in this discussion. In fact, I'm not too sure if there is a positive in going back and forth with this. We both read the KJB. Again, it is my bible of choice, but I am not a King James Only believer. I do believe there are some "corrupt" translations out there (not ALL as you say). I also believe there are some very good translations out there that can be trusted.



Instead of continuing this conversation trying to show how corrupt you believe the NIV is, perhaps we can discuss what the KJB translators had to say. Why did King James commission them? Did any of them ever claim inspiration from God? If the translators claimed inspiration, which version of the KJB did they claim to be inspired? Did any of them ever say that the KJB was superior to all previous English translations, or that all translations written afterward should be considered invalid?

Have a great day, Jimbob!

Jimbob,

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Jimbob, you have not used Scripture "over and over" showing me that modern versions are corrupt. What you have done is given me very little scripture and only mentioned the NIV, not "ALL" modern versions. Since you are saying ALL modern versions are corrupt, then you need to give proof to that, which you have not done. There are several modern versions out there, so unless you list them all out and show why each one of them individually is corrupt, I cannot agree with you that they are ALL corrupt.

Also, something else that should be taken into consideration, just because another translation is not exactly word for word identical to the KJB, that does not render the other translation as being corrupt. The KJB was not written as a standard to be used to prove the validity of other bible translations. If you want to determine whether or not a specific translation is corrupt, you shouldn't use the KJB as your source. Perhaps using the same source that King James Bible translators used to produce what you and I both read and study from would be the proper way to make that determination before saying that "ALL" translations are corrupt.

As for your statement that "God was in control of translating His pure Words, He is also in control of it being the most printed book of all time," I am assuming you are referring to the KJB? If you are specifically speaking of the KJB, not the bible in general (other translations included), can you provide numbers to show the KJB being the most printed book of all time?

Jimbob,

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Let me start off by saying that I believe all of God's word is true, so you don't have to ask me anymore if I believe certain verses are true. Yes, 2 Timothy 3:16 says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God." The term inspiration of God is one Greek word that means God breathed. All scripture is God breathed. And yes, I agree that all scripture given by inspiration of God would be considered sound doctrine. But what we need to understand is that "sound doctrine" existed long before the King James Bible was written. The KJB didn't give us sound doctrine, we already had sound doctrine!

You say, "The KJB was translated by men who were called holy men of God who were moved by the Holy Ghost ( 2 Pet. 2:19-21) Which has said the same thing for more than 400 years." By the way, it's 2 Peter Chapter 1, not Chapter 2. But again, you are misapplying 2 Peter 1:21. Peter was not referring to the translators of the KJB as the holy men of God. Peter was referring to the prophets of old, the apostles, and a few others who gave us the complete inspired word of God (Completed around 95 AD). God inspired those men to give us the complete word in written form. The KJB is a translation into English of the preserved word of God that already existed. If we apply the words "holy men of God" used 2 Peter 1:21 to the translators of the KJB to show that the KJB is the ONLY pure word of God in existence today, then why wouldn't it apply to other bibles that have the same verse, word for word?

If we're still discussing Daniel 3:25 and trying to figure out which version (KJB/NIV) is sound doctrine, I would say that neither is considered sound doctrine. The book of Daniel is a book of history and prophecy, not doctrine. If we want doctrine, we need to look to Paul's writings (Romans through Philemon).

Please pray for K. (young teenager) experiencing a lot of school stress and all like her. K. is a believer but lives in a non-Christian home and does not attend church. She has suffered a lot of emotional and verbal abuse over the years. Please pray for her and all kids and teenagers struggling for healing, protection and for the Lord to make himself known to them (pray for their salvation if they are not saved). Also pray for us and the family for strong protection and deliverance from bondage, family unit and salvation of unsaved loved ones and for those of us in the faith to be strengthened and encouraged, to grow in the Lord and to bear good fruit. Thank you.

For calm and peace, for healing as I hav lost my wife. For a place to live. Amen

Jonah and Ninevites (part 2)

Matthew 12:41

The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

We see that God had prepared the hearts of the the Ninevites to repent and they did because God had elected them and therefore saved them as is confirmed in Matthew 12:41

How different was Jonah's preaching to what is currently being proclaimed in the churches of our day? Is it any wonder what we read in 1 Peter 4:17. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Wonderfully God is still saving in our day OUTSIDE the churches. But the Gospel that saves is the Gospel of the Bible. The whole counsel of Judgement for sin and Mercy in salvation.

Joel 2:12-14

Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?

Praise God for so great salvation!

Chris thank you for your response. You said "Therefore I submit that what we see in Daniel are the beliefs that the king had in respect to deities", you go on to say "In these portions, these are not God's Words related to us, but Nebuchadnezzar's and they must reflect his belief and understanding".

Chris ALL Scripture is given by Inspiration of God ( 2 Tim. 3:16), I do know that you understand that as being (God breathed)

Would a (God breathed) verse say "the Son of God" or would a (God breathed) verse say "a son of the gods"? For Believers today?

Especially sense the KJB has said the (Son of God) for over 400 years!

God's Inspired Words are written exactly as He wanted them written. ((Every Word)) of God is pure (Prov.30:5-6) ( Ps. 12:6-7) (Ps.119:140) ( 1 Pet. 1:25) ( Isa. 55:14)

You also said "I believe the Niv and other translations are correct here" you go on to say "If we chose to read that Jesus was present there and not an angel, then that belief must be a personal choice"

The KJB has said it was the (Son of God) for 400 plus years, so correct me if I'm wrong here Chris but you did say the Niv and other translations are correct, which would be sound doctrine, and which would also be the Inspired Word of God!

Do you Believe the Niv is the pure Words of the LORD?

You asked if ( Dan. 5:14) troubled me some? Why would it? That verse is speaking of Belshazzar who was the son of Nebuchadnezzar.

In ( Dan. 2:28) Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar of the God in heaven that revealeth secrets.

Then Daniel tells him his dream which was revealed to him by God.

In ( Dan. 2:47) Nebuchadnezzar says "Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings"

So had Nebuchadnezzar's beliefs changed at that point? It does sound like they did, wouldn't you agree?

Then in ( Dan. 3:25) Nebuchadnezzar says "the form of the fourth is like the Son of God"

The KJB is the correct translation Chris, not the Niv or other translations!

Scripture is Truth.

Blessing to you Chris.

I hope that I can do this but I was wondering when you're reading scripture how do you know who scripture is talking about the unbelievers believers or both thank you for that other text you sent me

Jesse I'm not angry with you. Yes I did ask if you Believe ( Ps. 12:6-7) is True. If you do then you see God's Words as (pure) Words. The word (pure) is #2889; it means pure (in a physical, ceremonial or moral sense) clean, ((sound)) unadulterated, uncontaminated, innocent or holy.

God tells us in ( 2 Tim. 3:16) that ALL Scripture is given by Inspiration of God. That would be the Scripture that is (sound) doctrine.

We clearly do have doctrine today that is not (sound) doctrine as told in ( 2 Tim. 4:3-4) The word (sound) is #5198; it means to be uncorrupt (true in doctrine).

Then how can the doctrine in the KJB and the Niv both be (sound) doctrine? in ( Dan. 3:25)?

One says "the Son of God" We all know who that is! the other says "a son of the gods".

We cant have it both ways Jesse.

The KJB was translated by men who were called holy men of God who were moved by the Holy Ghost ( 2 Pet. 2:19-21) Which has said the same thing for more than 400 years, ( 1 Cor. 1:10) then we have an explosion of other bibles being translated by just men which would be the (private interpretation) spoken of in ( 2 Pet. 1:20).

You said you need something more solid as proof not just telling you they are all corrupt.

I have used Scripture over and over showing you that modern versions are corrupt but you seem to already have your mind made up that this is not the truth.

( Jer. 23:36) The word (perverted) is #2015; it means ((to change)) So this verse is telling us they (changed) the Words of the living God. Who changed those Words Jesse? All modern versions have changed their words didn't they? Some of them change them many times. (How is that Inspired by God?) I can list at least 25 different modern versions, there are many more than that. Are they all the Inspired Word of God?

God was in control of translating His pure Words, He is also in control of it being the most printed book of all time.

( Prov. 30:5-6) ( Rev. 22:18-19) We clearly should not add to His Words.

Blessing to you Jesse.

Yes. We put our confidence in christ alone. We keep praying for others to recieve christ as their savior and believe he hears our prayers.

GOD to the world could mean anything, it's important to clarify Jesus christ gospel message.

Jonah and Ninevites (part 1)

Jonah 3

And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee. So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey. And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Nineveh was a very wicked city that knew nothing of Jehovah God. They had no Bible of that day, no ceremonial laws, no understanding of the Word of God. What was Jonah commanded to preach to the Ninevites? It was "Judgement, God would destroy them in 40 days". No message of "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life".

And what was the attitude of the Ninevites? They recognized Jonah's message as the Word of God. They humbled themselves. They repented. They cried to God that maybe maybe God would would not destroy them; that God might save them.

And what did God do? He did it not.

The statement about two in a field and two in bed when it comes to the end times seems to indicate there is a part of the world in daylight and part in nighttime setting. There are interpretations also when it comes to what appears to be verses describing the sun and it's course around the earth which some detractors say indicates an earth centered hypothesis. It is noteworthy that the sun itself is moving around through the galaxy; which itself is moving through the universe. The original language may show the intended meaning of things which may have been interpreted; for instance when the King James came out with a midlevel interpretation or some attempt to integrate the original language with the perception at the time. Ultimately; we must trust that God indeed has the truth.

Such concepts also come up in terms of a "gap theory" to explain what appears to be an older universe and an original chaotic one in Genesis 1:2 after the initial mention in Genesis 1:1. There is this; and many other interesting concepts. We do see a universal story of a flood in the Gilgamesh epic; for instance as well as stories of an original creator; and imagery in the original Chinese lanaguage; for instance for the Biblical story. Same thing for the giants; what some say is legend is pretty universal; explaining Genesis 6 and related passages with the sons of god (fallen angels) and their offspring.

When we look to the future; I find the easiest way to explain "global warming" is that the glaciers were part of the flood and collateral damage; the earth is going back to its original state in some way. It appears that the earth and heavens are remade when the elements break down and are recreated in the original language in Peter's epistle. Even death isn't understood; or gravity; or decay (2nd law of Thermodynamics). May we trust God to reveal things in His time; as the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God; hidden to the wicked and revealed to His children.

Please remember me and my family today in our prayers

Indeed GiGi. Even though, as I've learned, that in Hebrew, even a plural word doesn't always imply plurality, but the word must also be seen in context of the verse or passage. As in Genesis 1:1: some might maintain that 'Elohim' here must refer to other gods apart from Yahweh - but the context of the whole passage speaks about a single God Who created & spoke into being all things. So 'Elohim' is both a single & plural word of 'God, gods, judges, rulers, etc.'; then we can know who is being spoken about as we connect the word with the rest of the passage. Then in Daniel 3:25, alongwith the other references I gave in that Book, it indicates that in context with the beliefs & understandings of the Babylonians, they can't have normally envisaged a single Almighty God to the rejection of their own gods. But as we go through the Book of Daniel, we do see instances where Nebuchadnezzar relented, as far as acknowledging the greatness & power of Daniel's God against his own gods (e.g. Daniel 2:47; Daniel 3:26,28; Daniel 4:37; etc.).

And I saw your other post, about you leaving on your short holiday to Arizona. Have a safe & lovely time with your friend - I'm sure you would have wanted to have a longer time away. We have friends in Bullhead City, just across from the Nevada border - and we spent some time with them a while ago, before Covid struck, traveling together in that great State. My prayers are with you & your dear husband left on his own. And what a great opportunity you had to minister to that couple who missed their bus - may the Lord take them further in their journey in life, experiencing what great things God can do for them & in them. Blessings.

Sure will Gigi.

Safe travels and God bless you.

My friend and I will be heading out tonight on a trip to Arizona for three days. Please pray that all goes well with the flights, hotels, and safety on the road. I am thankful to have this mini-vacation with my friend of 20 years. I have never done this before so I am excited and know we will have a great time together.

Also please pray for Joe and Stella, two people I saw running to catch a bus and they just missed it. I offered to take them to where they were headed. They got in and I dropped them off at the DSHS office about 20 miles from where we started. We had a good conversation. I think they were homeless. Joe said he was trying to get his life together. I told him to lean on God and turn to Him. I said that God desires to bless those who love Him and serve Him. We had a great conversation on the way to their destination about a lot of things. They seemed to have great need of basic things. Joe said that he prays often. I encouraged him to do so even more. When I dropped them off I asked for them names and said I would pray for them. Your prayers are certainly welcome for them, too.