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S Spencer thank you for your response. I would like to ask you something Spencer from your last comment.

You said "I would say any false literature or added literature to intentionally change the word of God in a way to loose the virtue intended yes that is what one may call leaven and ye perhaps demonic"

I'm not sure if you saw the examples comparing a few verses in the KJB and the Niv in one of my comments to Jesse so here's a couple of them.

In the KJB ( Dan. 3:25) It tells us "the fourth is like the Son of God"

In the Niv the same verse says "the fourth looks like a son of the gods"

(Do you think the Niv looses the virtue intended by saying (the fourth looks like a son of the gods)? It was truly the Son of God!

(This to me sounds like intentional deception rather than a translation problem!)

In the KJB ( Col. 1:14) It tells us "In whom we have redemption, THROUGH HIS BLOOD, even the forgiveness of sins".

In the Niv the same verse says "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins".

The Niv leaves out the words (THROUGH HIS BLOOD).

(Do you think the Niv looses the virtue intended by leaving out the words (through his blood)?

In the KJB ( Luke. 4:4) It tells us "It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God".

In the Niv the same verse says "Jesus answered, It is written: Man does not live by bread alone".

The Niv leaves out the words (but by every word of God)

Jesus Christ tells us that we should live by ((EVERY WORD OF GOD)). And the Niv takes that away.

( Proverbs. 30:5-6) Tells us "Every word of God is pure".

Do you think these intentional changes in the Niv are loosing the virtue intended by God?

Do you think these changes would fall in that category as being demonic?

I would say YES to both questions!

The Niv bible is not Inspired by God, these changes alone should prove that!

How many more changes like these could there possibly be in the whole Niv to deceive people?

Thank you Spencer. God Bless you.

Dear Marcusbeblessed , thank you for opening up so much about yourself , it seems as if you are carrying many burdens . I wish I could tell you the answers to all your problems but I'm sure that I can't . I can however empathize . I had an unpleasant childhood , my parents divorced when i was a child and my mom didn't really want to be a mom so left me with family members a lot . When they did sometimes force her to have me she resented me and showed it without mercy . Even now , I'm in my fifties and she in her seventies , she gives me mixed messages and belittles me one minute and hugs me the next etc . I think maybe we expect to much from our parents , they are just ordinary human beings , therefore some are better at parenting than others . It helped me enormously to realise that none of her behaviour towards me was my fault , I'm the child , she's the parent . I stopped trying to please her many years ago , now I just try to please my Dear Heavenly Father . I trust Him and Him only , He doesn't play nasty head games , He actually loves me and shows me every day and He has promised that He will never abandon me , ever . These things are true for you also . My advice ? Try to stop seeing yourself through others , critical , spiteful eyes and see yourself through your God's eyes . His eyes are full of love and compassion towards you , He knows your pain and wants to heal you . Work on building your relationship with Him , it is the most important relationship you can have , forget all those wounds that the people of this world have inflicted upon you , move forward with your God , you exist because He wants you to , He has a plan and purpose for you , give yourself to Him , forgive yourself and those who have wounded you , rise above your pain and be who God wants you to be , His child , His creation that He loves and likes and who He is always with . Be determined to get closer to Him , put Him first and He will lift your head up above all the dross of this world

Jema, the things that are getting me down are so many, I'm corrupted in so many way's. I hurt those who love me. I cant trust anyone. I have an anger and abandoment issues. the people that are closest to me I end up hurting. I blame my grandmother and parents for not raising me right, they raised me in anger and now I'm angry. I'm so used to things going wrong and against me that I destroy them before I'm the one hurt. it really isnt that big of a deal after everything is said and done. I want someone, a partner and I went so long without having one until a women came into my life and told me she loved me. Im stuck in my ways and I ruined the relationship. I feel as if I will always be like my grandmother. I feel like I have to put people down when Im down. I know Im not really like this but my fear of my grandmother stepping In and ruining things for me makes do things. I dont want to be attached to her anymore. I also dont want to be alone and homeless though. Its way to much in my life to explain, maybe I just need to go to church and find a church family again. instead of being alone and trying to fight these battles alone, I know that God can change me I havent studied or went to him or the body of christ in so long. I really dont know how to explain it. I cant love myself and I cant love others, I want to but I have been through so many struggles that I cant seem to change. I try so hard on my own, without god and I cant do it. The answer is right in front of me, I just am afraid of walking down that road alone. I'm afraid of not being understood or having compassion from my family, I'm isolated and alone nearly in the highest degree. No one answers my calls when I need someone to talk to. No one tries to understand me or my sorrows. Everyone I talk to finds a way to blame me for everything or brings up my past as if they want me to live in guilt and shame.

Thank you for replying and thank you for your kind words

please remember me and my family today in your prayers

I'm so very sorry that you are feeling this way . If you feel up to it , will you please tell us more about the things that are getting you down ? It can help just to say things out loud to another person , it's even better to talk to your God about how you are feeling , not that He doesn't already know because He does , but it can be very comforting to talk to Him openly and honestly about your troubles . Don't be afraid to say exactly how you feel , you cannot offend God if you are speaking honestly , you can't make Him angry by pouring your heart out to Him , He loves you and wants you to turn to Him in times of trouble . Please keep in touch with us on here , let us know why you are suffering right now . We can't physically be with you , God is with you though , always , and we will all try to help if we can .

Dear John Ray , I barely remember any scriptures by heart so don't beat yourself up over that , just try to keep an appreciation for and a love of God and Jesus in your heart every day , see them everywhere and let them work in you to show others their love . Love is the key , you can remember that I'm sure :) .

Jesse I have to answer this, you pretty much said I was misapplying ( 2 Pet. 1:21) without given any explanation as to how you think I was doing that.

The subject in ( 2 Pet. 1:19) is a ((more sure word of prophecy)).

( 2 Pet. 1:20) Tells us "Knowing this first, that ((no prophecy of the scripture is of any (private) interpretation))".

The word (prophecy) is #4394; it means prediction, (scriptural or other)

The word (private) is #2398; it means pertaining to self, i.e. one's own, by implying private or separate.

( 2 Pet. 1:21) Tells us "For (the prophecy) (came not in old time) (by the will of man): but holy men of God spake ((as they were moved by the Holy Ghost))".

The (prophecy) is the Word of God.

( Rev. 1:1-3) v3 Tells us "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this ((prophecy)) and keep those things which (are written therein): for the time is at hand.

They hear the words of this ((prophecy)) this verse also tells us "and keep those things ((which are written)) therein".

( Rev. 22:7) Tells us "blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book".

So that prophecy is written in a book. The prophecy in ( 2 Pet. 1:21) that came to us by holy men of God!

That is how we got the King James Bible.

Now you asked "Did the men who gave us the KJB translation have the original letters when they were translated?"

They spake as they were ((moved by the Holy Ghost)) so I would say God was in complete control of whatever was used to keep His Words pure. The Holy Ghost would have been the translator, using the men.

Jesse if the modern version bibles are the doctrines of devils in ( 1 Tim. 4:1) do you think it would be edifying, comforting, and helpful to get people to see that truth?

In ( 2 Tim. 4:3-4) v3 tells us of the time (they will not endure sound doctrine). v4 Tells us "And they shall (turn away their ears from the truth), and shall be turned unto fables".

I'll end it with that. Reply only if you want to. Thanks Jesse, God Bless.

if i kill myslef will god frown upon me and will i loose my salvation. Ive prayed to for god to take me many times. although I have tried to and wanted to so bad I cant muster the courage, I wanted god to take me from this world and I know god wont do it but I so bad want to. I dont want to go through this life. Everyone I come into contact with wishes me to and hurts me so much that I wish my life to be taken. I dont want to do it myslef so I pray for god to take me, but he wont. I wish he would so much, on earth all I do is hurt those who say they love me but they are not christian or I dont believe they are. My life feels as if im targeted and this is what they want from me, for me to kill myslef. I feel so hopeless and alone. I know I should turn to god, I'm afraid though.

I simply want him to take me. I dont want to do it myslef and I dont want to suffer anymore.

Jimbob,

I also (as GiGi) understand where you are coming from. I also agree with her that we need to move on to other topics. Something Jema said made a lot of sense also where she said "I just wonder why, when there are so many awesome things, edifying and encouraging and comforting things that we could be posting on here, things that would potentially be helpful and comforting to others, our brothers and sisters in Christ, are any of us talking about a different translation on here. Have we really nothing better to post?"

You cherish the KJB, and I cannot fault you for that. As I said, it is my bible of choice. However, I am not a KJB only believer. There are a few other English translations that I believe to be very good translations, just like the King James is a good translation. I chose the King James because I believe it to be more accurate than other English translations. But it is not a perfect translation. What is most important to me is the salvation of others, not what bible translation they read. Whatever bible a person chooses to read from is between them and the Lord.

You are telling me that God used holy men of God to translate the KJB in 1611 ( 2 Pet. 1:19-21)? If that is what you are saying, then I would have to say that that is a complete misapplication of 2 Peter 1:21. The "holy men of God" in that verse has nothing to do with the men who translated the King James Bible.

I do like your analogy of the original letter always being the original. That is a great analogy with an emphasis on original. My question is: Did the men who gave us the KJB translation have the original letters when they were translating? Again, I agree with GiGi. Unless you can find someone that wishes to compare and discuss the KJB vs all other translations, I would move on to another topic.

Hi Jimbob.

again, thanks for your reply and no it's there's no reason for me to get upset over this misunderstanding.

I haven't put much time towards the site of recent and haven't followed the original thread.

Let's be clear, I use the KJV.

However to answer a few of your questions,

I would say any false literature or added literature to intentionally change the word of God in a way to loose the virtue intended yes that is what one may call leaven and yes perhaps demonic.

However false or demonic "doctrine" comes from the interpreter or teacher from any Bible, as well as the king James.

Doctrine is what you build out of the scripture whether it's faulty scripture or not. "A belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group."

What I was saying in regards to Brother Jesse's post was that I wouldn't go to the extreme of denying anyone's access to a Church unless they possessed a King James Bible.

I believe God planned well ahead of Satan's traps and schemes. He gave us the Holyspirit to teach us and spread his message to us abroad.

Isaiah 28:9-10 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; HERE A LITTLE, AND THERE A LITTLE:

There are groups out there that change the bible they use completely to fit their Doctrine. "New World Translation" is one.

God's word is perfect.

Translations imperfect.

A fruitless false teacher is worst, no matter what Bible he has.

Because the Doctrine he adhere to haven't brought fruit in his life.

You shall know them by their fruits. Matthew 7:15-16.

It doesn't say you shall know them by their Bible.

There are tares amongst us and their Bible is just like ours! They attempt to lure one away from the truth which is Christ.

GBU.

Thank you for replying I wish I can remember scripture but I can't but he does help me out I wish I could be like the rest of y'all but I'm unable to do that I'm going through a different difficult time I know Jesus can do anything he can fix anything too thank you again sorry about all the text

Lord Jesus you know the cries of our hearts and the petitions we have made even here. I continue to ask. Please grant soon breakthrough. I ask for strong protection, deliverance, healing, salvation (those not saved), guidance and all the specific situations and circumstances previously mentioned. Please grant help to all in need on here and everywhere, esp. salvation. Thank you. In your holy name I pray. Amen.

Hi Jimbob.

Thanks for the reply.

I will get back to you at the end of the work day.

God bless

YVANG thanks for replying.

Who is the beast speaking blaspheme? and what does the horns represent?

you mentioned Daniel 7 and revelation 13. and who is the dragon giving this

beast power?

Jesus said the angels will come forth. These angels have an assignment. What will they do?

Jesus spoke in a parable or illustration. and then explained what would happen after his parable.

What does this all mean? Is this really happening today? Matthew 13:34,47-50

Glad that you are joining us in a spiritual conversation. The bible isn't a hidden secret.

it is Jehovah's ( psalm 83:18) will for believers to understand and bear fruit.

2Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 7:7,8; Mark 4:20; John 17:3

JRay, Suffering is not normal. when Jehovah ( psalm 83:18) created the earth,

his motives was for man and woman to take care of the earth. to enjoy his

creation, to take care of the animals. to enjoy the richness that the earth provided.

he created the ground to give in abundance, so that poverty was impossible. God

started the earth in the garden of Eden. Jehovah and the heavens was his the main

authority to mankind according to Genesis 1,2. there were no kings, rulers in the beginning.

But this happened to mankind: Genesis 3; Genesis 6; Genesis 19; Job 1,2; Luke 4:1-13

it just getting worse and worse. 2Timothy 3:1-7

It's a heavenly war, and a invisible war ( Revelation 12:7-13) we humans may not understand but God has revealed it to us in human terms. although the innocent are dying because of 1 John 5:19. WE KEEP THE HOPE AS GOD WANTS US TO: Romans 15:4-6; Revelation 21:3-5

We continue in the hope. Job 14:14

IF YOU READ ALL THESE SCRIPTURES YOU WILL SEE WHY MANKIND ARE SUFFERING.

I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

I just want to thank everybody for answering all my questions I know that from time to time I asked a lot of questions and I know that your shortest people to ask questions I pray to God will answer all your prayers in Jesus name amen

Jema thank you for your reply, your story shows us how important our words are, and also how easy it is to create confusion when the right words are not used. How much more important to us are the Words of the LORD? Every Word of God is pure and should never be changed. Thank you again Jema. God Bless you.

Our Lord Jesus Christ wants us to have love love covers everything so I worked hard on that and I can't deal with all the suffering that goes on in this world I know there's a lot of scripture that says that things are not going to be easy I love my son very much I tried to teach him about God so in seeds let's say he knows a lot of things what I did and I did it because I don't want him to suffer in life so what's that said why does there have to be suffering I don't understand and yes I know there's a lot of scriptures about what I'm saying but at the end I'm not going to understand why this has to be that way that's what I'm afraid of sorry for all the texts thank you

Isaiah 40:22

"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

This very clearly shows that the Earth cannot be flat... Circle of the Earth...

John 6:65....Jesus plainly tells them NO MAN can come unto me unless my Father that has sent me ( the LIVING WORD ) draws him not the written word as the letter is a killer....As my words are spirit and life....It is the spirit that quickens: The flesh profites nothing...The Words that i speak unto you are Spirit and Life....Living words the seeds of a living being a heavenly being....My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you...(By his living words which are his good seeds)...As Peter is saying being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God that liveth and abideth for ever....Living words not written words....The difference is like day and night...You are walking in the night when ya think that the bible the written word can save you...Ya gotta realize the Jews, all of Israel had the best bible ever the Torah.... But they were killing most all the Prophets and they rejected the Christ....Their high priest was telling the ppl to ask for Barabas not Jesus....Thats y the scripture is saying that the letter is a killer that old covenant....The Torah was the letter a killer....The soul that sinneth shall SURELY DIE...And they all sinned...Thats y God wanted a new covenant by the blood of Jesus.... Romans 8:2 For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of SIN and Death...That old written covenant the law which was a killer.

......Listen to what Jesus is telling us in John 6:65....Its the 2 nd time he tells us this...NO MAN CAN COME UNTO ME UNLESS IT IS GIVEN UNTO HIM OF MY FATHER ( THE LIVING WORD ) not the written word the letter a killer....If the written word cd have redeemed humanity then Jesus shed his blood in vain and the CROSS, Calvary was just foolishness...Its only by the love of God and the regeneration of the H.G. that we are redeemed....God so loved the world that he gave us his only son....We all love the kjv but its a lesser light.....Only Christ is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD.

Please remember me and my family today in your prayers

Very good point Jimbob , words are so very important . If we all thought about this I'm sure we could all remember an incident where things were totally misunderstood because some one used the wrong word . It happened to me very recently ! I am a married woman . One of my male neighbours always says hello to me and I to him . Just two days ago I was shopping in town and had bought a small side table and was carrying it around with me, it wasn't at all heavy but it was awkward . My male neighbour came up to me and said ' hello , are you on your own ' ? I replied yes , thinking that maybe he was going to offer to carry the table home for me . I was shocked into silence when he opened his wallet and took out a piece of paper and handed it to me saying ' give me a call sometime , we can go out to dinner ' ! I was flabbergasted ! The paper had his name and phone number on it ! What he really meant to ask me was are you single ! But that's not what he said ! When he asked me are you on your own I thought that he meant there and then ! Walking around shopping carying a small table ! Yes ! I was on my own then ! But not a single woman ! Things like this happen to all of us at some time in sure , words are very important , we all find this out for sure when the wrong one is used !

His name was Uriah , the whole life of David is a fascinating read , I would definately recommend that you read about it , and all the other people , from the Bible by yourself .

Notice Mark 3:28-29, Jesus answered "...ALL sins will be FORGIVEN the sons of men and WHATEVER blasphemies they may utter.

That is including ALL sons of men and ALL blasphemies they may utter, provided of course they repent from their sins.

But he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit NEVER has forgiveness but is subject to eternal condemnation. Daniel 7: verse 8 and 11 show us who is the one without forgiveness: the beast speaking pompous words and he was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.

Also in Rev 13:5 "And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for

42 months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle and those who dwell in heaven.

Almighty God and Creator, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Humanity lives in such difficult times of destitution everywhere. The rich get richer and the poor have even more difficult living conditions. Help us Lord God! You who know of everything, You who know that we honor Your name even in need. We pray that "NancyHud" familie will have a place where they can live in safety, with those they love. Stretch out Your hand Lord to deliver the family, Jesus. We pray for wisdom and understanding to see the possibilities in Jesus holy Name above all name is Jesus. Opportunities for creative solutions, Jesus is the most beautiful, the strongest name who is, and all over the Creature! Deliver Your family from this Lord Jesus Christ, according to Your will, Thank you for answering prayers, Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

Always be ready and testify of Jesus Christ, His reward is more than this. Take care of you all, love you in Christ.

1 Corintihans 12 and 13 chapter

When King David sent a woman's husband to war so he could be murdered so he could be with her what was the husband's name?

S Spencer Do you think its ok to use a Bible if it is not inspired by God?

You said "You may have to dig deeper with Improper translation, and sometimes that's just a matter of turning a few pages".

If its a Improper translation then that would be what ( 2 Tim. 4:3-4) is warning us about ((not being)) ((sound doctrine)) in the Lastdays!

That could also be what ( 1 Tim. 4:1) is warning us about "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that ((in the latter times)) some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and ((doctrines of devils))". If its a Improper translation that would mean its not God's Word, but could be, and more than likely would one of those doctrines of devils. Right?

You also said "Revelation of the word of God and its message is spreading throughout the entire Bible. When there is error, The scripture should straighten itself out".

Do you believe if a Bible version is one of the doctrines of devils in ( 1 Tim. 4:1) it would straighten itself out?

The word (doctrines) is #1319; it means instruction (the function or the information) doctrine, learning, teaching.

(So our doctrine today is whatever Bible we learn from or teach from. ((It is our Biblical instruction)), that means we will have some Bibles in the latter times (today) that are doctrines of devils. (It would seem these are created to deceive if its a doctrine of devils because it causes some to depart from the faith)

Where could these doctrines of devils possibly be today? Modern version Bibles is the answer to that question.

They change the Words of the living God ( Jer. 23:36) The word (perverted) means to change.

You said "when there is error"? A Bible with errors ((would be one of those doctrines of devils)) that change the Word of God. also what ( 1 Tim. 4:1) warns us about in the latter times?

There are no errors in the KJB it is the pure, preserved Word of God.

Please don't be offended Spencer. ( Eph. 4:25) ( Gal. 6:1) ( Proverbs. 27:17)

God Bless you Spencer.