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Jesse I'm sorry for another page here on this but I think this is really an important point for this subject and conversation.

IF ( Ps. 12:6-7) Is True and God preserved His Word for ever.

Say you wrote a letter to your wife, or a family member. That letter would be the (Original). It would (Always) be the Original. Even if it were re-written over and over by other people but ((the words remained the same)) it would still be the Original, that would only make those that are re-written, a copy of the Original. Right? If some people took your letter and starting making copies of it, but they were changing the words that you had written. Their letters would not be the same as your letter anymore, just changing one word ((could give a completely different meaning)) from ((what your intent was)) but they are changing many many words and even leaving some words and sentences completely out. (It would not be the same) If God preserved His Words for ever like He tells us in more than one verse, ( Titus. 1:2) and ( Heb. 6:18) Tells us God cannot lie! This is exactly what all modern version Bibles are doing to His Words. That makes ( Jer. 23:36) make perfect sense as the word (perverting) means ((to change)) the words of the living God.

( 2 Pet. 1:19-21) Would be how God used what v21 calls holy men of God to bring us the prophecy (Which is the Word of God) for this time period we live in now.

( 2 Tim. 3:16) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" The word (inspiration) is #2315; it means divinely breathed in.

It is God breathed.

I truly mean no offence Jesse, but I honestly don't see how anyone who is seeking the Truth could not see this as the Truth.

It is Truth.

Please don't be offended Jesse, but Please study on this if you don't see it. God Bless you Jesse.

Please keep my family in your prayers, my grandchildren and I are currently homeless and car is about to break down too so not good situation thank you for any prayers

Jesse It is important to me what translation others use. I guess that's because I honestly, truly Believe God when He tells me in ( Ps. 12:6-7) that His Words are pure Words and He preserved His Words for ever. And in ( Proverbs. 30:5-6) And in ( 2 Tim. 3:16) He tells us "All scripture is given by inspiration of God". You said "Does it really matter what Bible version we read"? If God used holy men of God to translate the KJB in 1611 ( 2 Pet. 1:19-21) Then yes it should definitely matter!

You also said "Are we going to stand before God one day and be denied because we chose the wrong translation"? Nobody on earth can answer that question Jesse. The Lord Jesus Christ is the one who will judge us, but I would like to think being obedient to His pure Word is a really good start, wouldn't you think so? ( 1 Pet. 1:25) ( Isaiah. 55:11) ( Titus. 1:9-11) ( Ps. 119:89) ( Jn. 1:1,14) ( Jn. 14:23) Then in ( Rev. 19:10) It tells us "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy". The word (testimony) is #3141; it means evidence given, record, report, witness.

Im sorry if this offends you Jesse but if we care more about being "sensitive" to others rather than showing the (Truth) to them then are we not letting them down? Jesus said in ( Jn. 14:6) "I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me". The Truth matters!!



You said you do not believe the KJB is superior to all others.

In ( Dan. 3:25) The KJB says "the fourth is like the Son of God"

The Niv says "the fourth looks like a son of the gods"

Which version is superior here Jesse?

In ( Col. 1:14) The KJB says "In whom we have redemption (THROUGH HIS BLOOD), even the forgiveness of sins"

The Niv says "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins" The Niv leaves out (THROUGH HIS BLOOD)

Which version is superior here Jesse?

( Luke. 4:4) the Niv leaves out the words "but by every word of God"

It should be important to you what translation others use if you see this Truth.

No offence, Blessings

Nice comment Mslady01.

But I noticed something when I read the verse in Matthew 6:33 that you mentioned in your post.

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

What does the scripture mean be saying to "seek first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness"; and all these things (OUR NEEDS IN LIFE) shall be added unto us"?

How does one seek the Kingdom of God and His righteousness?

To give you a hint about how I thought about it, 1. Jesus talks to his disciples, believers already, 2. He saId that after He had given commandments to them. 3. He also asked them not to be embarrassed about the needs in their lives. 3. God will provide for them if they ...?

So what do you think?

GBU

Strategic of Success. God bless me to help others.

Purpose pursuit must be sovereign resolve. My success must be anchored in what God says on every area of my life. I must show God's works in my life.

1. Success prospective Anchored in God

2. S aligned with God spiritual priority that is aligned in God's word matt 6:33

Doing it God's way, seek God in every area

3. I must stay praying. He said He will grant my desires

Staying prayerful always Jeremy 33:3

I must have a lifestyle of praying. Breakthrough is inevitable

4. Must have a strategic plan analysis prov 24:3 Things don't just happen it must be planned ex. The process of buying my house. I must write the vision make it plain. Time to write plan for everything.

I will have a surge and surplus for my life and Newlight

CCC.

5. Sovereign planting in Agreement with scripture

2 Corinthians 9:6-8 God will use others favor to help me! Sowing will activate a covenant promise from God that He will Bless Me. Malachi 3:8 I want to live in a open house of God's Blessings

6. Sanctioned Partnerships matt 18:19

I want Faith Filled Agreement Agents. 2or3 in Agreement

7. Scriptural proclamation prov 18:20-21

I must speak life into my situations, family,home job,over My Pastor over my church, etc. I must monitor what comes out of my mouth.

8. Shun persecution from All Opposition 2 Timothy 3:11-12 Haters the devi. Remember on the other side is the blessings. No platform for such. No attention of such. God will pull me in front of those and show Himself in my life and situation. My DNA is built to outlast persecution

9 Steadfast perseverance over setbacks heb 10:35-36

Never give up

10. Supernatural Praise for accelerated manifestation. Heaven takes notice just as Paul and Saulus the chains fell off in the midsts of it!!!

Amen Brother Jesse.

It's God spirit that opens eyes and ears to scripture and also shuts them.

Everyone that holds the view that the king James

is the only inspired Bible doesn't agree on all doctrine with others that holds the King James as the only inspired Bible.

You may have to dig deeper with

Improper translation, and sometimes that's just a matter of turning a few pages!

Revelation of the word of God and its message is spreaded throughout the entire Bible.

When there is error, The scripture should straighten itself out.

If you tore John 3:16 out the Bible, In the body of the Bible "OT and NT" you doesn't loose the message. It's still there!

In biblical times everyone who spoke Greek or Hebrew didn't agree on all bases.

God bless.

Galatians 5:13

We are instructed to serve one another in regard to our spiritual gifts in this verse. 1 Peter 4:10 indicates this is how we are a good steward of what He has given us.

In Sunday school today; a discussion came up as to the matter of using gifts. It was correctly mentioned that this principle exists; along with the command of Christ in fulfilling the Great Commission. Therefore; whether we have a gift of serving or evangelism or not these activities should characterize a life of good fruit in maturing in the Lord. I also mentioned how often other individuals in fellowship are good at discerning either our strengths or weaknesses; which can be known or unknown to us at the time. This kind of encouragement to use our gifts should be something we seek out; and the Spirit of God makes it evident to those who are discerning. It was also brought out how someone as a Pastor can be more or less gifted in teaching.

Perhaps such levels of aptitude can allow those who are elders but not normally pastors can assist in the operation over a church (such positions are interchangeable to some respect as originally meant in scripture from what I am told). It is also fairly certain that a "head pastor" isn't really a title that adheres to scripture; particularly if there ISN'T any other elders; deacons; etc balancing things out. If anything there is someone to hold a Pastor accountable that is missing in that case.

I also find it interesting the whole core value system of Satanists; as they are for the self rather than interests or needs of others. That; sadly is also much of the focus of today's churches appealing to young singles. Salvation itself involves us becoming part of God's family; adopted as sons as Romans 8; Ephesians 1:5 and other verses indicate. The churches in Revelation 2 and 3 show a focus on individual salvation along with the health of the entire congregation in each synopsis of the 7 churches in question.

A story I would like to share:

Several years ago, a coworker invited me to attend his church on Sunday. This brother and I often talked about the Lord and His word. As he was inviting me, and before I had a chance to respond, he told me to bring my Bible with me and to make sure it was a KJB. He said that they probably wouldn't let me in if I showed up with any other Bible.

I didn't commit. The only Bible I owned was a King James and that was the Bible I would have brought with me had I have gone. I chose not to show up. Had he not have said what he did, I probably would have gone.

I believe the Lord put it on my heart not to go there. That was many years ago.

I share this story because I am reminded of that time by the things I have been reading here over these past few months.

I would say that the church this brother invited me to fit the category of extremism. Does God really care what Bible version we read? Are we going to stand before God one day and be denied because we chose the wrong translation?

Before barking at me, please know that I read and study from the KJB. It is my Bible of choice. It is not important to me what translation others use. What's important to me is have you been born of God's Spirit.

The KJB is a very good translation, but I cannot say that it is a perfect one, and even though it is the Bible I study from, I do not believe it is superior to all others.

I do not adhere to KJB Onlyism. There are many of us here who choose the KJB, but we should be sensitive to the fact that there are brothers and sisters in Christ who come here that read other versions of the Bible. Should we view them any differently?

I wonder how they would have viewed me had I have shown up to the invite carrying an NIV/NASB/ASV, or any other English translation? Would they have let me in?

The Lord is going to receive all those who have surrendered their life to Him, and it's not going to matter which Bible you chose to read!

Good Morning Jimbob,

I understand where you are coming from. It seems that we have spoken to this subject enough. Let's just move on to other topics.

My prayer request is I hope that everybody had a good day at church that would be May 7th by the time you get to it'll be a couple days afterwards proverbs 30:30

I know it's 2 years I hope everything's doing good I agree with everything you said it's been going on for generations that was the devil's plan I've learned a lot about the Bible in The last 5 years things that I've never heard in the church I don't know what's going on remember you have an angel

Hello Palmettosr. A passage that helps us understand this phrase of Christ "shedding His Blood for our sins" is found in Hebrews chapter 9.

The Hebrews writer shows how the sacrifice that Jesus made for us by willingly dying in our stead is eminently more precious, acceptable, & efficacious than any other sacrifice made before Him or after Him. In Hebrews 9:6,7, we read that the high priest went into the holiest place of the tabernacle each year with the animal blood sacrifice, for his & the people's sins. God had instituted this blood sacrifice whereby instead of the sinner dying for his sins as judgement & being forever rejected by God, the death of an animal & its blood shed would be man's substitute. But such sacrifices could only be temporary since they had to be done year-by-year & could never fully deal with the sin problem (i.e. man was always conscious of his sins before God while awaiting this sacrifice & even then, such a sacrifice only covered the sin's of the flesh & gave no confidence about an inward cleansing: see Hebrews 9:9,10).

So, there would be coming a time when Israel would no longer need to sacrifice animals to attain this temporary, limited covering for their sins; at the right time in history, God sent His Son Jesus (i.e. man no longer sacrificing to gain God's forgiveness, but now God providing His Sacrifice). And this Sacrifice not only provided full cleansing, but since it was only required to be done once, it not only gained God's forgiveness & cleansing, but also cleansed our consciences ( Hebrews 9:12-15). God fully accepted the sacrifice payment by His Son & to those who believe this & call upon Him for cleansing, receive His Spirit Who also cleans our consciences (i.e. we can remain confident that we are fully clean, saved & accepted by God because it is God's Work, not man's, & the Holy Spirit in us gives us great assurance).

I hope you can see that blood needed to be shed - only Jesus' Blood could fully deal with the sin problem.

Gal. 2:21....If righteousness cd have come by the law the written word that old covenant then Jesus died in vain....All the bibles in the world cd not redeem mankind back to God...Only the blood of the lamb the living word cd redeem man back to God....If a bible cd have redeemed mankind back to God then Jesus shed his blood in vain and that New COVENANT BY HIS BLOOD AT CALVARY WAS JUST FOOLISHNESS....Its the H.G. that is the living pure word of God...As Jesus said my words are spirit and life that initiates a birth of Christ in us the Kingdom....2 nd Cor. 3 :8 ....He has made us able ministers of the New Covenant ( the H.G. ) not of the letter but of the spirit...Its only the spirit that gives life not the bible ....The bible the written word answers to the lesser light but Jesus says if a man walks in the night the written word only he is gona stumble...Jesus said are there not 12 hrs in a day and 12 hrs in a night but if aman walks in the night he is gona stumble....The written words answers to the night the lesser light....Its only Jesus the LIVING WORD THAT IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD...Not the bible ...We all love the bible the KJV..But the bible the written word did not redeem us back to God it was only Christ Jesus the living word that had to die at Calvary for humanity....Its only Jesus the living word of God that is the pure word of God....As he came from Heaven as God the son..To die for the sins of the world....The bible the written word neva died for anybody....But it is a good nite light better then no light at all....And we need the bible in this time of darkness....But the bible is not the gift of God ....Its only the H.G. that is the gift of God which is the living WORD the Child of Promise...Which is our new heart and new spirit....Our new innerman...That New CREATURE is the only thing that plzs God that comes via faith via hearing the living word....Today if you will hear his voice THE LIVING WORD...The gospel was preached to Abraham without a bible.

Please remember me and my family in your prayers

Hi Jimbob , please be assured my comment wasn't meant for anyone in particular I promise . I'm devoted to the KJV . This is specifically a KJV site so I presume everyone else is a devotee also and I just wonder why , when there are so many awesome things , edifying and encouraging and comforting things that we could be posting on here , things that would potentially be helpful and comforting to others , our brothers and sisters in Christ , are any of us talking about a different translation on here , here which is , specifically a KJV site ? Have we really nothing better to post ? This is why I spend so much time in the old posts . God bless you Jimbob , I always read and enjoy your posts , the rest of you KJV devotees out there , get posting ! We have brothers and sisters out there who need somewhere to come to feel connected and comforted ! I know you are out there folks ! I need you , others need you .

Praying for Jordan Neely to get justice and Dainel Penny to get arrested. all Jordan wanted was something to eat, drank, and somewhere to live. he didn't deserve to be murdered.

GiGi Please don't let this offend you but it sounds like you are meaning in your comment to Giannis that the translation of the Word of God was done only by men. I think God was in complete control of who the translators were, and what they translated from to keep His Words pure, and even how long it took them to translate it. ( 2 Pet. 1:19-21) and ( Ps. 12:6-7) All scripture is given by inspiration of God ( 2 Tim. 3:16) I don't think that means all scripture from 50 different versions that all say something different, that would be complete confusion. Thats what that many versions are, confusion. If Gods Words are pure Words then how could some modern versions be good and some modern versions be bad? God is not the author of confusion. God breathed means His Words are pure Words that are inspired and preserved forever, and they are sound doctrine. ( Rev. 20:22) Tells us the dead are judged out of those things which were written in the books. ( Jn. 12:48) Tells us Jesus said "the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day". The Word of God, the Words that Jesus Christ had spoken, the inspired Word of God, the pure, preserved Words of the LORD will be the books that judge the dead in the last day. That will be the KJB, all 66 books will be opened for the dead to be judged. (The word that Jesus had spoken in ( Jn. 12:48) is the same that will judge them from (the books) that will be opened in the last day).

All modern versions have changed His pure Words as we are told in ( Jer. 23:36) Again the word (perverted) means to change.

So this verse tells us that they changed the words of the living God.

Reply only if you want to GiGi, I truly do not mean to offend nor do I seek to argue. God Bless you.

I pray that if my manager share how she feels about me. I pray that if she is unhappy in her marriage that give her strength to pursue what her heart needs for a person to see the beauty and love that she deserves I don't believe she is receiving. Let be with someone who meets and exceeds all expectations.

Jema If everyone on this site believed and trusted the KJB then I wouldn't be posting the comparisons of the KJB and the Niv bible. The KJB is the True Word of God and I am only trying to show that through these comparisons. The Truth should be all that matters to all of us on this site. ( Gal. 6:1) The word (fault) is #3900; it means a side slip (lapse or deviation) i.e. (unintentional) error.

God Bless you Jema. Stay in the Word of God, it is Alive.

Giannis thank you for your response. This post was started as a comparison of the KJB and the Niv. I was only showing the deception and confusion the Niv causes by removing the word "Lucifer" from that verse. The point is the True Word of God is the KJB. I'm not sure what you mean about being embarrassed about the name lucifer?

I would say all modern versions are not good today Giannis.

I allow the Words in the Bible to be my guide to everything I understand. Examples: ( Ps. 12:6-7) v6 Tells me the Words of the LORD are pure Words. v7 Tells me they are ((preserved forever)). ( Ps. 119:89) Also says "For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven". ( Ps. 119:140) "Thy word is very pure". ( Ps. 119:160) "Thy word is true from the beginning". ( Isa. 40:8) Tells me "the word of our God shall stand for ever". In ( Mt. 4:4) Tells us "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by (every word) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God". ( Luke. 4:4) Also.

( Jn. 1:1-3,14) God was the Word and He was made flesh and dwelleth among us. Should we think that every word Jesus spoke was not important enough for those words to be written down, or documented exactly as He wanted them? (preserved for ever).

(2 Tim.4:3-4) Tells me there is a doctrine today that's not sound doctrine. (Where is it, or what could that doctrine be?)

( Proverbs. 30:5-6) v5 "Every word of God is pure" v6 "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar". (Here we are told to not add to His pure Words) If we are not to add to His pure Words then we have to have His pure Words somewhere today right?

I'm not sure how the comments got focused on Lucifer, that was surely not my intent. The pure Words of the LORD that He promised to preserve for ever is the KJB. If we allow the Word of God to interpret itself then this is clearly the truth.

( Jer. 23:36) the word (perverted) means to change. All modern versions change the Words of the living God.

Again thank you Giannis. God Bless you.

That I will live in God's will, according to His Word. Thanks!

Do any of these other translations of the Bible have web sites dedicated to them ? This is , after all , a KJV site . So why spend time talking about other translations ? If those other translations have sites dedicated to them then maybe check them out and go on them ? I just don't see the point in comparing or talking about other translations on a site dedicated to the KJV . Is this all any of us can think of to talk about ? I'm off to read my Bible , it's a KJV in case you hadn't guessed :) .

Dear Giannis again,

From my research, the NIV and other versions that have been translated from documents recently discovered that were not found and available to the KJV translators. These newly discovered texts date to a much earlier time than the Received Text.

It is not that these versions omitted original texts. It is that these verses were not found in the newly discovered much older texts they used to translate for these version that came out after the KJV. These supposed "omitted" verses were found in the received text which dates around 1300-1500 A.D. being received from the translations of Erasmus, a Catholic priest who created the Received Text. But these verses did not appear in the many earlier manuscripts, so the translators of the NIV and NASB and others did not include them because they wanted to stay as true to the earlier texts as possible.

Hello Giannis,

My understanding is that the NIV is a thought for thought translation (called dynamic equivalent). The NIV took the Greek text and translated the verse to express the entire thought of the verse.

The NASB, ESV, KJV, NKJV and a newly released one LSV is a word for word translation (called formal equivalent).

Other Bibles are paraphrases such as the Living Bible, the Message, Good News Bible.

Hope this helps. It is easy for one to find this info on the internet by entering "Types of Bible Translations".

Hello Jimbob

I don't think we should spend any more time talking about the devil, Lucifer. Just as a final comment to close this discussion, Lucifer was the name given by Romans to the brightest star that is seen in the sky at dawn. It's exact meaning is "light bringer". So that star for ancient people indicated the begining of the day. So it was the morning star. Through Latin that word entered the English language. And whereas in English it doesn't mean anything, it is just a name, in Latin though it means "morning star". So some Bibles either use the name lucifer and other the name morning star, both names are right. In Isaiah God does a comparison between the former state of devil as an angel of light, a morning star, that he was before revolting against God and his latter state when he became a dark devil. That it is all about. So don't be embarrassed about the name.

Now about the NIV Bible, I also noticed that sometimes it omits words or phrases. I have done a research on the internet and I found out that the NIV relies on the so called "critical editions" of the Bible. The KJB uses the so called "Reiceived Text". I haven't checked if the NIV is an exact translation of the critical edition, so I don't really know about it's validity. I think one can check those things. On the net there is much information for and against that translation, so one can decide for themselves. I am not the proper person to do that since I mainly use the Greek Bible. The greek Bibles almost always use the Received Text or the so called Patriarcal text that the Greek Orthodox church accepts as right. It is almost indentical to the Received text.

About translations, it is not bad that there are adapted to the speaking language of people of any time. As long as they don't depart from the initial meaning of the text, there is no problem. But we can always check that and so we can select the right translations to read from. Actually not all of them are good. GBU

What is meant by "Shedding of blood for our sins"

Promises of course as in my last comment regarding Romans 8:30 are assured with God's status as beyond time as He created that along with all other things. His promises are "yea and amen" ( 2 Cor. 1:20).

This question could be handled on a case by case basis. Clearly; if we are to look at Micah 5:2-4 we see the birthplace of the Messiah and we know it was fulfilled on His first coming. There are others such as Revelation 19 in Armageddon which clearly hasn't happened yet.

Most prophecies; however have at least a dual fulfillment or there are near and far implications in the same passage. Such is the case when Christ read from the scroll from Isaiah 61 he stopped after verse 1. Verse 2 talks about the vengeance of God which is tied into His second coming. Therefore many of His own people didn't recognize who He was because they were looking at prophecies of His Messianic Millennial reign rather than the purpose of atonement and death before the Resurrection into glory.

This "near and far" application is one complexity; another is what applies only to covenental promises for the nation of Israel; what applies to the church alone and what has some dual application. Galatians 3:28 shows how Jew and Gentile are incorporated into the church; and verses such as Galatians 3:7 show how not all Israel are true Israel but only the remnant believers. The church basically IS the true Israel as are the subset of Abraham's seed that are believers.

I find the best rule is to see what scriptures are mentioned in Acts in particular as applying to the church in the deepest sense of the meaning. That is the only way to understand the deepest or final meaning to certain prophecies. What we can't do is make the error of making all prophecy figurative that doesn't fit into our doctrinal picture; or dismissing the covenants that were promised to Israel. That is a subject perhaps for another commentary.

Perhaps an individual application would be from Romans 8:30. It isn't a prophecy as traditionally labeled; but the time frame of predestination guarantees that those who are saved will eventually be glorified after sanctification. All prophecy shows God's certain plans.

Aaron was given to Moses as his "mouthpiece" so to speak after his many protests on not being a man of learned speech and such in Exodus 4:10. Moses tested God quite a bit with his trepidation which was a side affect of being the most humble man alive (See Numbers 12:3). This caused Aaron to be a thorn in his side. There were two ways to approach the masses; with dogged determination to God's will as Moses demonstrated; and to acquiesce to their pleas. We see a similar pattern with the sacrifice made the wrong way by Saul in 1 Samuel 13:9. Ultimately; Saul was shown to have a rebellious self seeking life that went away from true worship of God; in this verse he was also trying to placate people ignoring God's methodology to his own peril. That was one step away from idolotry.

Aaron's sin was basically equivalent to a death penalty; breaking the 1st commandment; and with the sexual things implied many other things deserving such an end such as is indicated in verses 6 and 25. Poor Moses had to go another 40 days fasting after his first fast; and acted as intercessor then and several other times when God wanted to destroy the whole lot of the exiles and start anew. In the end only Caleb and Joshua from that generation survived; all the rest that made it into the Promised Land were the children of the original families that came out of Egypt.

Moses also had to deal with Miriam when she made a fuss about his Ethiopian wife in Numbers 12:10. Aaron could have been more proactive in dealing with it before her leprosy came as punishment.

This should serve as a warning to all; especially when a great spiritual victory has just happened such as a genuine move of God. Rebellion is as witchcraft ( 1 Samuel 15:23); and stems from the same root of corruption. This is why we can't just proclaim we are Christians without evidence of trust in God; fear of the Lord and other such good fruit being evident. We also must choose God over popular opinions.

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