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Hi MountHoreb,

I am with Jema and Chris, we lose sight of the race we are in, this flesh is so enticing, is it this flesh life or the life to come? We cannot compare what we go through to what Jesus gave for us. May we with the guidance of Jesus through the Holy Spirit get to the end of the road and the prize that is awaiting?

God bless,

RLW

Psalm 97

Verse 1 indicates the "multitude of isles" being glad when the Lord reigns. This term has been said to refer to the Gentile nations or the outermost parts of the world. Ezekiel 39:6 and Isaiah 41:5 seem to refer to these parts of the world during the Tribulation with Isaiah 24:15 giving a prophetic indication that even in the fires God will be glorified.

Verse 2 on clouds and darkness are similar to Solomon's description of God in 1 Kings 8:12 similar to other passages.

Verse 3 through 5 show the affects on the earth of His coming. We are reminded of 2 Thessalonians 2:8 as well as the battle of Armageddon.

Verse 4 reminds us of Matthew 24:27 when the Son of Man comes as to His appearing.

Verse 5 shows us similar references to Psalm 68:2 among other places.

Verse 6 shows as things are now; God's presence evident to all as we see indicated in Romans 1 and Psalm 19. Man will see His glory when He comes to rule in the Millennium.

Verse 7 shows that finally idol worship will end when Christ comes back. People will eventually cast forth their idols of gold and silver during the Tribulation judgments as Isaiah 2:20. Perhaps some of that sadly will occur because Satan himself will demand worship and that will eliminate worship of any false gods but also the true God with the mark of the beast sealing people's fate.

Verse 8 shows how Judah and the remaining nation of Israel will rejoice; which will happen when He is returning as Zechariah 12:10 indicates. Verse 9 shows the majesty of God unparalleled.

Verse 10 shows how saints are delivered; either from or through disaster.

Verse 11 reminds us of His light and no longer a need for the sun and moon from Revelation 21:23 but also found in Isaiah 60:19.

Finally the last verse talks about rejoicing of the righteous and thanks at remembrance of His holiness. Good sentiment for all times or dispensations and the age to come.

Hi MountHoreb. My thoughts are very much in line with Jema's. To add to it, I see that verse 1 is the subject here in regards to verse 3. "...let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us...".

The Hebrews writer is exhorting his readers to be mindful of their Christian walk & particularly to those sins that so often knock at our door & to which we so easily give access. That we are to be watchful & deal with temptations & sins speedily, running this blessed race of life with patience & endurance. And what will greatly aid us in this endeavor? The answer lies in keeping our focus on our Savior Who endured much much more than we ever could. When our gaze is always on Him, not just for the wonderful salvation He has given us, but seeing & appreciating His endurance through all manner of suffering & pain, we should also take heart & find greater resolve to deal with the forces of evil that buffet us in life. When we focus on the Savior & not on our sin, we are truly dealing with sin by lifting up the Living Word of God (Jesus) against Satan's taunts; telling him: 'Jesus did it all for me, why should I do any less for His Sake - get thee hence'. If we lose sight of Jesus & dwell on our sin, we will very likely fail & give in, rather than using the Word of God as Jesus did against the enemy of our souls.

MountHoreb,

I do not use it. I use 'Yahavah. I do know that this rendering is locked in 5 times in the acrostics in the book of Esther.

Most assuring my friend. Faith, Hope and Love.

COMPARING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.

By way of recap we're comparing the way these two groups interpret the scripture surrounding the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.

Part 5.

In Hosea 3:4-5. before the Babylonian captivity, it was predicted: "For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or Prince...

"Afterward SHALL THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

Hosea 3:5

Also;

Amos 9:11.

Zachariah 14:4.

Zachariah 14:9.

This of is not a contradiction of the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant, but is a part of the same picture.

and many more OT references.

LET'S REVIEW THE NEW TESTAMENT.

According to Luke 1:30-33 the angel Gabriel told Mary that she is to be the mother of Christ and Christ will reign on the throne of His father David over the house of Jacob.

To Mary "the house of Jacob" could mean only one thing and that is the descendants of Jacob, namely, the twelve tribes of Israel.

It seems the disciples and others anticipated much the same kind of a literal fulfillment.

Matthew 19:28.

Matthew 20:20-21.

Luke 22:29-30.

Acts 1:6-7. The disciples were still anticipating an earthly kingdom and hoped for its immediately.

Christ did not say that their hope was vain and that there was not going to be a literal fulfillment. He replied: "It is not for you to know the times or seasons, which the Father hath set within his own authority."

But He directs their attention to the immediately task before them, and to the power of the Holyspirit Spirit and proclaim the Gospel to the whole world.

Now this is where the line is drawn from dealing with Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Confirming verses at the council in Jerusalem in Acts 15:13-17.

More on this later.

God bless.

It just seems to me that Paul is reminding Christians of how Christ suffered and how badly he was treated and that we all need to try to be as strong as possible and not let this world and the people of it , weary us too much , as Paul says in verse 4 : Ye have not yet resisted into blood , Christ endured much more than most of us will ever have to as most of us will not be called upon to loose our life in this world for the sake of the Gospel .

Revelation 2,3 True Repentance

Hope this brings you Hope and Endurance: Matthew 6:9,10; isaiah 33:24; Psalm 37:9-11; Revelation 21:4,5

Would you use the name in psalm 83:18 to pray?

have you or do you use this name to pray?

or who do you pray to?

Matthew 24

Psalm 16:10; John 5:28,29

Lord Jesus please help with A. (intervention) and K. (healing) and please grant strong protection, deliverance, healing, salvation (those not saved) and guidance. Also please multiply my prayer for us so that many others in need also benefit. May you be glorified Lord. Amen.

so sorry to hear this. hope builds endurance. Revelation 21:4,5

such a beautiful comment! Psalm 46:1,2

What do you all Think about Hebrews 12:3?

COMPARING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.

Part 4.

Continuing from Jeremiah 30:7-12.

There is no good reason for not taking this exactly as it is written, namely, that David will be raised from the dead and will with Christ reign over the people of Israel in the millennium. Even if David is understood to refer to Christ as David's greater Son, it is still a clear reference to a future millennium rather than to a situation that exists today.

In Jeremiah 33:14-17 we have another account where Jeremiah as do Daniel, looks past the captivity of Babylon on into the future in the latter days.

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.

In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.

For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

Ezekiel 37:22-25.

in Ezekiel's days David had been dead over four hundred years and that this is a prophecy that David will be raised from the dead prior to the millennial reign of Christ and share with Christ the rule of the people of Israel. Something quite foreign to the Church age.

Anther issue which is often debated concerning the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant is the fact that for many years the throne was unoccupied.

From the time of the Babylonian captivity on there was no literal earthly kingdom. This, however, is taken into full consideration in the Word of God in Hosea 3:4-5.

See Part 5.

OLD TESTAMENT CONFIRMATION OF THE COVENAN.

Part 3.

COMPARING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.

picking up from Psalms 89:27-37.

According to this psalm the covenant concerns David, his physical seed, and the relationship of his rule to the children of Israel. There is no indication that this kingdom extended to a spiritual entity such as the church nor that the throne in view is the throne of God in heaven rather than the throne of David on earth.

As mentioned previously; in Isaiah 9:6-7 it is stated again that the throne of David is in view:

Yhe throne of David is mentioned specifically and the promise indicates that the fulfillment will go on forever.

In Jeremiah 23:5-6 the reign of the king who is the son of David is described as coming to pass in a day when Judah and Israel shall be saved and dwell safely.

In the verses immediately following, this reign is linked with the regathering of the children of Israel and their occupation of their ancient lands. Jeremiah 23:7-8.

It is certainly extreme spiritualization to take the regathering of Israel as an equivalent of the outcalling of the church and the execution of "justice and righteousness in the land" as being a reference to the rule of Christ in heaven, as amillenarians would need to interpret the passage. This is another strong confirmation that the literal interpretation of the Davidic covenant was intended.

In Jeremiah 30:7-9 another reference is found to the reign of the seed of David and again it is in a context of Israel's future regathering which will be consummated following the great tribulation.

As in other passages, the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant is linked with the return of Israel to the land following their time of Jacob's trouble, as indicated in the preceding verses Jeremiah 30:10-12

Here it is stated that they will serve God and David their king.

See Part 4.

Pray for healing in my body. I have bad headache and pain in my head and bad back. Pray for healing for my grandson 6 years that has Darvet Syndrome and Seizures, Artistic, His name is Perry Armstrong. Perry does not talk. Perry has a twin sister name Adaline. Adaline is okay, she need prayer to be able to learn also. There parents needs prayer. There Travis need God to help stop drinking. Mother needs to learn not to screaming at Adaline and spinning more time with both children. I need strength to cope with all of Perry seizures. I am the caregiver for Perry and I watch Adaline. My Heavenly Father is so good. He has brought Perry back from so many seizures. Please pray for my family. God knows everything. I believe in prayer and I believe in healing and miracles. Thank you JoAnn God Bless

I Do hear all of the contexts of creation and understand what they truly mean, but I do still feel like the question is not yet answered?

Adam is proclaimed by a certain race as their founding father, which brings me to a question of what is a gentile to God?

Everything God created stands for a meaning and has a purpose, like Adam take care of the garden, name all thing's and the story goes on, but I feel that as a gentile I lack a meaning and purpose because of the foundation of my creation which remains a mystery that hides my purpose and my meaning.

In God we are all made and given a purpose a name and way of life, and all thing's have a meaning because we know how it was created.

Moses said who shall I say you are to Pharoah?

Who shall I say I am before God as a gentile?.

What purpose shall I bring forth to my God?.

In what meaning way shall I worship and praise him?.

I need to know how so that we can find the Why?

Hey Littlechild Gbu I like your screenname....But it all started by the disobedience of 1 man Adam...And this curse and stain was applied to all men at Birth no exceptions....In Adam we all die but in Christ we will all live 1 Cor. 15:22...Jesus says If i belifted up i will draw all men unto me....Thus the blood of Christ has to be applied to all men....That was the new Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 I will know them all from the least to the greatest...An all inclusive Covenant....Implying the blood of Christ has to be applied to every person from the least to the greatest....As God so loved the world....But there is another man in this picture which is our old adamic nature, he is the man that has to be destroyed by the lake of fire....If thy right hand offend thee cut it off....He is the dog that returns to his vomit and the sow that returns to her mud....Every sinner has to have his part in the lake of fire which is baptism of the H.G. and fire as our God is a consuming fire...Thats y Jesus said i come to bring fire on the earth....Which is his baptism of the H.G. and fire...The gift of God to every person that hungers and thirst after righteousness.... Joel 2:28 I will pour out of my spirit on ALL FLESH etc...God wants to write every mans name in this book of life that Jesus wrote with his own blood...And if any man's name was not found written in the book of life he was cast into the lake of fire...Thus nobody will be lost...As our God is a consuming fire implying Judgement....Jesus said when he the spirit of truth is come (the H.G.) the manchild..he will reprove the world of sin and judgement and righteousness...etc....Its not his will that any should perish...If i be lifted up I will draw ALL men unto me....God is no respector of persons...Thus we all must go thru that lake of fire...HG.and FIRE BAPTISM...The gift of God by what Jesus did at Calvary IN his blood.....The love of God is beyond our comprehension....ok lemme go nuff said...ty Jesus

OLD TESTAMENT CONFIRMATION OF THE COVENANT.

Part 2.

In part 1 I briefly gave a premillennialism view point and way of interpreting the Covenant promises.

Here's the amillennial point of view is that the Davidic kingdom promised to David's posterity is not a rule over the house of Israel, but a spiritual rule over the saints fulfilled in Christ's present session at the right hand of God. Such an idea of course is not contained in the Davidic covenant as it is recorded in II Samuel 7, but it is asserted that later Scriptures give this interpretation. For this reason the implications of the provisions of the Davidic covenant can be determined only after ascertaining the interpretation placed upon this covenant by other Old Testament Scriptures. Then a further step must be taken of examining the New Testament treatment of the same subject. Though this can be done only briefly within the limits of our present discussion, some important facts can be cited which decisively determine the ultimate interpretation of the Davidic covenant.

The covenant with David is not only given twice in its major content in

2 Samuel 7 and I Chronicles 17 but it is also confirmed in Psalm 89.

In this and other Old Testament references there is no allusion anywhere to the idea that these promises are to be understood in a spiritualized sense as referring to the church or to a reign of God in heaven.

Rather, it is linked to the earth and to the seed of Israel, and to the land. According to Psalm 89:3-4. It is declared again in Psalms 89:28-34.

It is promised that the seed will endure forever in spite of the specific problem of Israel's sins and departure from God. It is affirmed unalterably that God is going to fulfill His Word to David regardless of what his seed does.

Sew Part 3.

OLD TESTAMENT CONFIRMATION OF THE COVENANT

Part 1.

Abraham in Genesis 17:6 where it is recorded: "And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee."

This is restated in verse 16 of the same chapter in relation to the promise of the son of Sarah: "And I will bless her, and moreover I will give thee a son of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples shall be of her."

It is probable that there would be little question about the meaning of this covenant, if it did not involve eschatology as a whole. It would seem that the promises are simple and direct that David's posterity should continue forever and that his political kingdom would not end. However, even such a simple interpretation presents some immediate problems, as David himself seems to anticipate when he notes that the prophecy concerns a long time to come.

The principal difficulty, however, seems to be that the connotation of the Davidic covenant supports the premillennial interpretation of the Bible involving a future reign of Christ on earth as David's greater Son. This point of view is quite unacceptable to the amillenarian and therefore for them some interpretation of the Davidic covenant must be found other than that of a literal fulfillment. Generally speaking, amillenarians deny that this covenant has any decisive force on the millennial question and find its terms fulfilled in the present day with God's dealings with the church. Quite often the attempt is made to deny that anything in the Old Testament construes a premillennial eschatology and statements are made such as that of Louis Berkhof: "The only Scriptural basis for this theory [i.e., premillennialism] is Revelation 20:1-6, after an Old Testament content has been poured into it" (Systematic Theology,)

See part 2.

In brief the Amillennial view.

Please remember me and my family in your prayers

I sent that message accidentally before I finish I would like discuss the origin of the original sin. And when how and why it was allowed. The reason God created man in his own image. The purpose of God. I can discuss a few things. I I know who knows it all. And I need another true and holy ghost filled prophet to fellowship. Bad!!!!!

GiGi Thank you for your comment I agree with you completely. I was only showing what the Word of God says about the soul and spirit being separated at death as ( Heb. 4:12) tells us. If the soul goes with the body to the grave it just makes me wonder what would happen to the soul during a cremation? Where does it go? The sea does give up the dead that is in it ( Rev. 20:13).

I don't think that verse is talking about giving up (flesh) bodies that may have been in the sea for 100's or possibly even 1000's of years, that has to be meaning the soul because the spirit goes to be with God at death. And it surely cannot be speaking of flesh. In ( 1 Thess. 5:23) It speaks of a spirit, a soul, and a body. (that would be 3 that this verse shows us as being separate) I would hope that seeing the Truth from Scripture about the soul going to the grave would be very helpful and make it easier for someone to make a well informed decision. But you are right each person will do as their conscience allows them to do. I will also say this, If anyone sees where I have taken any verses out of context or misinterpreted the Scriptures in any way in this post, then Please show where it's not meaning what I have said it to mean or show where it is wrong. The Truth really does matter! Again thank you GiGi, your replies are always welcomed it is good to hear from you.

God Bless you.

Yes, John P.

There are millions of strong Christians in the U.S. and ,any millions more across the world today. We should not be so discouraged when we feel alone in our walk with God. Like Elijah when he was at His lowest point, God reminded him that he was not alone in his walk with God, but there were 7,000 in Israel who had not worshipped Baal. ( 1 Kings 19)

John, not only are there many Christians serving God sincerely, but there are many more who will come to Jesus by the testimony of these believers and us. I trust that God will continue to bring people to salvation every day. Look what He did with just 12 apostles and 500 disciples or so.

At times it does get to us when we see so much wickedness wherever we are and whatever we see. But God is always leaving His witness in the world (the Holy Spirit) to regenerate people by bringing the gospel to those without Christ, through people like us everywhere!

There is much to be hopeful about. To God be the glory, the honor, the praise, and the thanksgiving forever.

Pt.2



Moses was also bringing his complaint to God, but God was not angry with Moses as He was with the complaining multitude. God was merciful to Moses and explained that the Holy Spirit would be placed upon 70 elders along with Moses. These elders spoke by the Holy Spirit to the people throughout the camp. I imagine that what they said did not conflict with each other because the Holy Spirit would not do that.

Here Moses learned that he did not have to carry the burden of being the spokesman for the LORD by Himself-God was bigger than that! he also learned that the Holy Spirit was so great that He could be placed upon many people and not just one-himself. Then Moses in verse 29 states to Joshua that he desired for all of God's people to have the Holy Spirit upon them and would prophesy for the LORD.

After the seventy were endowed with the Holy Spirit, Moses and these men went into the camp. God brought in an enormous amount of quail on a strong wind. The quail was stacked waist high or more in the area. The people went out and collected the quail and distributed it evenly throughout the camp. The people gorged themselves on the quail and God sent a plague upon the people. Those who lusted for the meat died and they were buried at this place Moses named Kibroth-hattaavah.

Then the nation travelled from this place to Hazeroth, where they abode.

What lessons Moses and the people were learning from their disobedience and distrust of God. They had not learned yet that God is what they truly need above all else. Perhaps this is why He gave them a daily diet of Manna, so that they would realize that food is not what sustains them but YHWH. A varied diet that they had to cultivate and work for would get their eyes off of YHWH and trust in themselves and their own skill at producing food. They even could not eat of the flocks since these were for the sacrifices and for them to bring into the promised land. They were to resist temptation, but had difficulty with that

In this chapter is an account of the people complaining for food other than the manna. It is similar to Exodus chapter 16, so I do not know if it is the same incident or another. If it is another incident then the Israelites did not learn their lesson the first time they asked for meat, did they!

The complaining of the people always cause God to be angry with them. He was their portion and was able to fill them with what He knew they needed. The people complained to God and His holy fire went and burned those in the outskirts of the camp. They cried out to Moses to get YHWH to stop the fire. Moses interceded and God stopped the burning fire.

Among the Israelites were people who were mixed-some were of Israeli/Gentile parentage; others were gentiles. These mixed peoples began to lust for meat and for the type of diet they enjoyed in Egypt. The Israelites joined them in this lusting. They complained in their tents where only God would know. They complained with weeping about the manna being the only food before their eyes. Moses went about the tents and heard them weeping and complaining.

Moses was fed up. He was overwhelmed. He was discouraged. He was so low that he asked God to kill him so he would be free of the burdens of his life. Is there a hint of Moses believing in an afterlife free of wretchedness in vs. 15? The verse says that Moses considered it to be favored of God to be killed to be freed.

Regardless, Moses was unable to bear the burdens of the needs of the people any longer. He was at the breaking point, equating the burden of the welfare of the multitude to that of mother of multiples whom she was trying to nurse each and everyone to satisfaction. Nursing and infant is not very much of a burden. It is necessary for the child to consume what the mother alone could supply by God's design, but when a pregnancy results in triplets, quads, quints and more, one mother just cannot successfully meet the nourishment needs of all of them. .. cont. to pt. 2

Thank you GIGI.

It's good to be with this forum and to know that there are a lot of good Christian people still in the naltion. God Bless.