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Abrahamic Covenant.

Part 3.

Centuries after Abraham died, the children of Israel took possession of the land under Joshua's leadership ( Joshua 21:43). At no point in history, though, has Israel controlled all of the land God had specified. There remains, therefore, a final fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant that will see Israel occupying their God-given homeland to the fullest extent. The fulfillment will be more than a matter of geography; it will also be a time of holiness and restoration (see Ezekiel 20:40-44 and 36:1-37:28).

The Abrahamic Covenant also promised many descendants ( Genesis 12:2). God promised that the number of Abraham's children would rival that of "the dust of the earth" ( Genesis 15:16). Nations and kings would proceed from him ( Genesis 17:6). It is significant that the promise was given to an aged, childless couple. But Abraham "did not waver through unbelief" ( Romans 4:20), and his wife Sarah "considered him faithful who had made the promise" ( Hebrews 11:11). Abraham was justified by his faith ( Genesis 15:6), and he and his wife welcomed Isaac, the son of promise, into their home when they were 100 and 90 years old, respectively ( Genesis 21:5).

God reiterates the Abrahamic Covenant to Isaac and to his son Jacob, whose name God changes to Israel. The great nation is eventually established in the land where Abraham had dwelled. King David, one of Abraham's many descendants, is given the Davidic Covenant ( 2 Samuel 7:12-16), promising a "son of David" who would one day rule over the Jewish nation-and all nations-from Jerusalem. Many other Old Testament prophecies point to the blessed, future fulfillment of that promise (e.g., Isaiah 11; Micah 4; Zechariah 8).

See Part 4.

Abrahamic Covenant.

Part 2.

In Genesis 15, God alone moves between the halves of the animals. Abraham was in a deep sleep. God's solitary action indicates that the covenant is principally His promise. God binds Himself to the covenant.

Later, God gave Abraham the rite of circumcision as the specific sign of the Abrahamic Covenant ( Genesis 17:9-14). All males in Abraham's line were to be circumcised and thus carry with them a lifelong mark in their flesh that they were part of God's physical blessing in the world. Any descendant of Abraham who refused circumcision was declaring himself to be outside of God's covenant; this explains why God was angry with Moses when Moses failed to circumcise his son ( Exodus 4:24-26).

God determined to call out a special people for Himself, and through that special people He would bless the whole world. The Lord tells Abram,

"I will make you into a great nation,

and I will bless you;

I will make your name great,

and you will be a blessing.

I will bless those who bless you,

and whoever curses you I will curse;

and all peoples on earth

will be blessed through you" ( Genesis 12:2-3).

Based on this promise, God later changed Abram's name from Abram ("high father") to Abraham ("father of a multitude") in Genesis 17:5. As we've seen, the Abrahamic Covenant is unconditional. It should also be taken literally. There is no need to spiritualize the promise to Abraham. God's promises to Abraham's descendants will be fulfilled literally.

The Abrahamic Covenant included the promise of land ( Genesis 12:1). It was a specific land, an actual property, with dimensions specified in Genesis 15:18-21. In Genesis 13:15, God gives Abraham all the land that he can see, and the gift is declared to be "forever." God was not going to renege on His promise. The territory given as part of the Abrahamic Covenant is expanded in Deuteronomy 30:1-10, often called the Palestinian Covenant.

See Part 3.

Hi everyone.

We take what's meant to be literal in the word of God literal. When something is figuratively or is an allegory there's usually a symbol or sign in which the interpretation hinges on.

We use additional scripture to interpret scripture staying as literal as scripture allows. When time is given in scripture, we calculate the time and consider the events prophesied to be.

Here is a topic that I have been wanting to discuss for some time now.

1) The Abrahamic Covenant.

2) The Davidic covenant.

I don't wish to go into this alone and would appreciate help, not by way of debate but a means of study and to investigate scripture in a way one would use forensics to investigate a crime.

Yes, this would be nearly impossible being that the evidence/scripture we would be using would be based off one's interpretation.

However at least we might get a chance to examine our Hermeneutics as well as others.

A covenant is an agreement between two parties. There are two basic types of covenants: conditional and unconditional. A conditional or bilateral covenant is an agreement that is binding on both parties for its fulfillment. Both parties agree to fulfill certain conditions. If either party fails to meet their responsibilities, the covenant is broken and neither party has to fulfill the expectations of the covenant. An unconditional or unilateral covenant is an agreement between two parties, but only one of the two parties has to do something. Nothing is required of the other party.

The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. The actual covenant is found in Genesis 12:1-3. The ceremony recorded in Genesis 15 indicates the unconditional nature of the covenant. When a covenant was dependent upon both parties keeping commitments, then both parties would pass between the pieces of animals. In Genesis 15, God alone moves between the halves of the animals. Abraham was in a deep sleep.

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It's called Lion of Judah your input would be appreciated see the New testament to me seems pretty simple what Jesus is trying to tell us when I have a problem after Matthews and the other books I just go back to Matthew when Jesus was on the mountain instructing us how to live if I'm doing this incorrect forgive me I wish I could remember scripture but I don't I try to feed the spirit not the flesh and take the narrow road instead of the y road it's very difficult

Seal judgments and trumpet judgments continued

I feel like a broken record here--or I could say CD but even that is retro nowadays. Anyway the sixth seal shows that everyone is aware of judgments being bought against the world by God and Christ ( Rev. 6:15-17). That hasn't happened yet clearly; and that is a result of course of the martyrs of the 5th Seal and reaping what they sowed in that regard. All the seals are personally opened by Christ and are therefore preceding the book itself being opened. The first seal in fact is judgment read these verses

2 Thessalonians 2:11

Daniel 8:23

Psalm 55:21

Daniel 8:25

Luke 21:35

2 Thessalonians 2:3

Daniel 9:27

So there will then be a time unlike today when there are no atheists; there will be only God and Satan worshippers; although men will worship demons through the trumpet judgments despite knowing the obvious that they are choosing that over the true God and what are increasing intensities of judgments.

More to come.

Hi Ronald.

Travels is over for the week!

It's always tough for me to keep up because all my replies and posts are off my cellphone.

I was looking at how the scripture would look using the Greek as you said. "Oudeis , no one"



Here it goes from verses 2-4.

And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

And no one in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

And I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.



You see it doesn't change nothing using the Greek word

"Oudeis" translated no one.

And I agree John was in the spirit, but John saw, and was shown visions all throughout Revelation.

And he sought the redeemer which had to be a man in particular locations and one was Heaven.

This took place around the throne!

Revelation 4:1-2. "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

John describes what he saw and what he heard in a particular place.

I believe that we shall also reign on earth and that shouldn't void our access to Heaven.

Jesus is able to freely go to and from and I believe we will also because in this regard we shall be like him. 1 John 3:2.

Also see Romans 8:16-21.

We're joint heirs with Christ!!

God bless.

A discussion on the Seal Judgments

It seems necessary once again to emphasize the gravity of what is coming to pass in the death of one fourth of the earth during the sword famine and pestilence of the 2nd through 4th seal judgments. A brief examination of the most recent world war shows a population of about 2.3 billion in 1940 which was somewhat flattened during the death of 50 million individuals at that time.

That would be between 2 and 3 percent of the entire world population dying in that interval. Therefore we would have to multiply that percentage about ten times for the proportions dying in the seal judgments alone; numerically of course we are talking about almost 2 billion dying which would be at least 40 times the number in World War two (and that in probably about half the amount of time or less). This doesn't even take into account the myriads of martryrs beginning in the 5th Seal and continuing on throughout the rest of the Tribulation (or into the Great Tribulation).

We also have the warning about the saints being overcome in Daniel ( Daniel 7:25 as well as Revelation 11). That will only get worse when the mark is established; but clearly the affects of the fourth seal with death and hell following show that the period of time when the gates of hell won't prevail against the church will have passed ( Matthew 16:18). Therefore the believers will be a group which are Christians but not part of the church age with the function of the Holy Spirit as it is now (i.e the restrainer is removed ( 2 Thess. 2:8).

We therefore will see a conflagration of war; famine and plague unparalleled in modern times and unstoppable. Demons will be allowed to affect men during the trumpet judgments which still appears to be immediately before the Antichrist has the deadly wound and is possessed after the 5 months of torment in the 5th trumpet by the demon from the pit (Apollyon). That will cause worship and adoration; the image and the mark to begin.

Hi Giannis,

Thank you!

God bless,

RLW

Hello Ronald

The masculine form of "one", "no one", "who, whom, whose" etc is always used in greek when we are generally speaking for a man (male and female), but NOT for a thing, e.g. in Engl. you would say "If one believes in Jesus then THEY are saved", but in greek you say "If one believes in Jesus then HE is saved". Similarly for no one. But as I said not for a thing, only for people.

Hey S Spencer,

Thanks for your reply I know you are a traveling man and I know we differ on this and as long as we can inspire each other to study and keep our noses in the Bible that is ok.

This is my understanding and what I see, John was in the spirit, and he saw God with the book and a strong angel called out who is worthy to open the book. What I see is God on the throne, the four beasts, and the 24 elders.

John wept because there was, the Greek word Oudeis no man, no one, nothing at all that was worthy to open the book. No heavenly beings in heaven, No living being on earth, and No being who has lived and is now dead and buried under the earth was worthy to open the book.

I do not see John looking for anyone I see he was told no one was worthy. All I see that were there was God, the Lamb/Jesus, the four beasts, and the 24 elders when the Lamb/Jesus took the book the four beasts and the 24 elders, fell down before the Lamb/Jesus and with golden vials full of odors/prayers of the saints.

They sang a new song about the Lamb/Jesus "Thou art worthy to take the book" "and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;" These are the prayers of the saints, not people in heaven.

Then the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Other than the word oudeis translated as no man and the prayers of the saints I do not see any humans there. Then we have verse 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign on the earth, not heaven. My understanding is the Church is not taken to heaven.

This is what I see and understand.

God bless,

RLW

Hey Giannis,

Thanks, I included too many words, I went back and the word that was used was oudeis meaning no one. I know you live in and are Greek and it helps to have someone like you on this site. I do not get into every Hebrew or Greek word unless my understanding is fuzzy.

I know this word you said is masculine, but can it be no one, no man, no woman, or nothing as was translated in other New Testament books?

Thanks for being here.

God bless,

RLW

The Kenites have waged war again God's true word from the beginning of the 2nd Earth age. Started in the garden with Satan getting Eve pregnant with Cain!

Richard H Priday Your posts do give one a lot to think about, Thank you for that Richard. You said "If 1948 was the sign of the fig tree; that means that the Lord should return by 2028; obviously with a 7 year Tribulation and being currently in 2023 that cant happen".

Then you also said "At any rate; we must realistically assess if we have been wrong assuming 1948;"

I have a different thought here Richard, Maybe you should be realistically assessing whether the rapture of the church comes before a 7 year Tribulation period?

When great tribulation starts that will be the midst, or middle which is the last 3 1/2 years that God will shorten for the elect's sake. I do believe we are in the beginning of sorrows time period now. If we look at ( Ps. 90:10) We see the last 10 year period is called (labour) and (sorrow). (it is soon cut off, and we fly away) The word (labour) is #5999; it means toil, wearing effort, worry, whether of body or mind, grievance (-vousness) iniquity, labour, mischief, miserable (-sery) pain (-ful) perverseness, sorrow, travail, trouble, wearisome, wickedness.

The word (sorrow) is #205; it means to pant, to exert oneself, usually in vain, to come to naught, strictly nothingness, also trouble, vanity, wickedness, affliction, evil, false, idol, iniquity, mischief, mourners (-ing) sorrow, unjust, unrighteous, vain, vanity, wicked (-ness). (The true meaning of those 2 words sound a lot like what people are dealing with today) Do they not?

Then we look at ( Mt. 24:4-8) v8 "All these are the beginning of (sorrows)" The word (sorrows) in this verse is #5604; it means a pang or throe, especially of childbirth, pain, sorrow, travail, grief (as dejecting).

We are in the beginning of sorrows now, when the great tribulation starts (which will be soon) that will be the last 3 1/2 year time period that will be shortened for the elect's sake. If this is the Truth then the Ps. 90:10 generational timeline is clearly still very possible. God Bless you Richard.

I think every Christian in the world should read 'What the translators of the 1611 KJV said to the reader!!! I have read it many times and continue to read it. Select the 1611 Bible icon, select introduction and scroll down to the Translators to the Reader. God Bless

Do you mean Lion of Judith?

You nailed it my brother.

The H.G.is a living being that has to be born in us...Jesus said that the Father will send the H.G. in my Name implying that Jesus is the father of the H.G....Thats y Isaiah refers to Christ as everlasting Father in 9:6...Thats y he is saying whosoever receives one such child in my name RECEIVES ME...And unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations.... Rev 12:10...Thus the Child is a kingdom Child...And is the essence of the New Birth....Baptism of the H.G. The only baptism of Promise....Behold i send the Promise of my father upon you which was the baptism of Promise...He is the 3 rd person of the trinity thus a heavenly Jacob...Thus an Israel of God is on the horizon...The 3 rd person of the Davidic trinity was Solomon....But Jesus says a greater then Solomon is here ...Thus he will build a greater temple then Solomon in our hearts ( the Kingdom )...When Jesus said that which is BORN of spirit is Spirit...Thats the H.G. the Child of Promise....Jesus is his Father simply b/c the H.G. cannot be born in us without the seed of Jesus the living words of that book that he wrote with his own blood....That New Covenant in the Fathers right hand is Jesus and his words...Thats y he has to know us, its gotta be by his seed the living words of that book....ok lemme go GBU....Thus Jesus is truly the father of the H.G....Thats y Isaiah refers to Jesus as everlasting father...They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin.

After you become a born again Christian I probably have 10 questions bear with me Jesus does say it's not going to be easy I know the God of this world is the devil but Jesus Christ wins at the end when you walk with the Lord Jesus Christ what do you do wrong to open the door for the devil to come into your life yes I know that we have an angel I'm just trying to find out what I'm learning if it's true or not I do know what little I know I look around and things are not the way they're supposed to be it seems like if the devil is going to go after Jesus he's surely he's going to come after us I'm sure of that he doesn't want us to save souls thank you

Thank you very much I appreciate yes I do go to the King James Bible when something comes up in the videos to make sure I'm headed down the right road there's a lot of things I've learned that I've never heard in the church I would loved to tell you all the stuff I've learned but that would take a while I try to feed my spirit not the flesh I also tried to pursue holiness but that's very hard I know I have an angel I'm 60 years old no trades my lords keep me off the streets so far the only person that cares is Jesus Christ he's never said it would be easy but when you die there's two places there's the nice place and there's the bad place thank you again appreciate it I pray that all my brothers and sisters in Christ your prayers will be answered in Jesus name I pray amen

Hi Brother Ronald.

I agree with you on it has to be a Kinsman Redeemer.

So he had to be able to suffer death to qualify and open the book.

Only Jesus could fulfill that role. So it had to be a man, "We share Jesus humanity"

However the emphasis is WHERE John looked! ( And no man in heaven,) nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book...

And when he opened the book this same group in which John searched for the redeemer sung this;

"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 5:8-10.

I also hold the view that this redeemed group is the Church.

God bless.

oudeis=no one, masculine, ie no man

oudemia=no one, feminine, ie no woman

ouden=none, neuter, ie nothing

Neither do I believe that any of us will go to heaven , just reading Isaiah and this Ch 57 verse 13 , it and many others like it , are very clear to me .

Yes , your interpretation has been on here before , this is a site that has been running for at least nine years so you can go back and read literally hundreds and hundreds of excellent posts from years gone by . Take a look some time . There are three or four deeply contentious topics that pop up on here regularly , I've learnt from reading the old posts , that it's much better to avoid those topics as things can get very vicious on here some times .

I can roll with that Charlie :) .

please pray for me and my family today

Dear all, peace and joy to you all.

If I receive from a human being a lie. My heart becomes very skeptical of this person. But if, on the other hand, this person apologizes, I must forgive.

Over the years, I've seen some translations that don't always sound good in my heart. - I didn't want that translation then. The problem is that I know others buy it and read and GET confusion. We know where this comes from! The worst thing here is knowing that others are reading fictional things. And believe in it. Today, many people also believe in myths and fairy tales, so one wonders where humanity is headed. We Christian know that there are only two ways. A leads to Heaven and the way of the denier and liar leads to perdition. So for eternity, is just a divide on two roads. We should all know if we're liars like Jimbob is talking about here. It is an advantage for us who confess Jesus that we have received the gift of the Holy Spirit so that we will recognize the liar!

For my part, I have two same Bibles, KJ. but to two different years. Only ten years in between. Here the translators have managed to change the sets. I have to say it annoys me. Because I can also really put my finger right on what's changed. In any case, if a setting is easier to read and understand, why should translators change it so that it becomes heavy and difficult to understand. If it is a copyright to God's Word, it is a desperate situation! So I hope stinginess and greed haven't gotten there.

Remember, it still is a reason why not all Jews have had Scripture revealed to them yet. I'm not saying this to cause offense. But that is the reality of God's Word. The Word SHALL lead to salvation. Revelation and the Truth SHALL be forthcoming. Practice by the Holy Spirit we will get this right in the end hopefully.

Stay strong in the word of God for your own sake. And go on admonishing and directing if anyone has asked for it. Then there will be peace. Love u all in Christ.

Romans 3 chapter

Thanks again Ronald. That's a good point you made: that Jesus being the "firstfruits of them that slept", would only apply to Himself & then afterwards to all those who rise from the dead in glorified bodies. That has helped my understanding, as I've always thought of simply a resurrection from the grave (thereby omitting Lazarus, the widow's son, & Jairus' daughter, who weren't buried/entombed). But they all, like us, await that day when our bodies will also rise & be received by the Lord in our perfect, whole & glorified state. Blessings.

I checked out NASA's map of the paths of those solar eclipses, Jimbob. Thanks for that. Very intriguing but could we ever attribute eclipses like these ones, however notable, to some connection to the times ahead? Since nothing resulted from them apart from those dedicated eclipse watchers/chasers getting a few minutes of excitement, I really can't perceive any specific warning from God; when they do happen, as also for earthquakes, pestilences, tidal waves, in quicker succession & with greater ferocity, then my ears & mind would definitely be alerted. Thanks again.

Hi again John. I checked out the first video on Lion of Judah (the video on the Rapture). I thought it was very well put together, but they were putting forward their belief on when the Rapture would take place. Their pre-tribulation position is only one of several beliefs, so it won't sit well for many folk. Otherwise, it appears that they use the Bible well & would be interesting to see the other videos. But in every instance, one should keep the Bible as the one & only 'go to' to learn what God is telling us & allow the Bible to fill our hearts & spirits with His revelation & understanding. These videos might be interesting & graphically appealing, but like everything else, exercise care.

In the coming storm the LORD JESUS CHRIST is our shelter in the time of storm. May we trust and believe in all that the LORD has given to us to hear, heed, receive and accomplish for HIS praise and glory. Salvation and redemption Romans 10: 9-12; Study His Word 2 Timothy 2:15; know why we study 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; Love the lost 2 Peter 3:9; Go make disciples Matthew 28: 18-20. Pray for God's will 1 Timothy 2: 1-4. GOD be praise! Galatians 2: 20; 5:16

April 28, 2023