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Hello Grace . The only thing I know of in the Bible , that will answer your question is in the life of David . You would need to read the account of his adultery with Bathsheba in 2nd Samuel chapters 11 and 12 , in particular ch 12 verses 15-23 .

Dear God Amighty Creator above all in Heaven and on Earth. Thank you for seeing this marriage, Lord. Where there is openness and love, there is also forgiveness from sins that we confess to one another. Thank you for helping their marriage here Lord, and blessing them with renewed love for one another. For those ppl, live right with and for each other as they once promised. and let all wrongful accusation be forgotten for all time. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for Softening Hearts, Amen.

1 Corintians 15 chapter. I promised God once and share His words that I read in the morning, For in any case, God's Word gives life and living water to those who read. I continue to do so even though it may not have any relation to the prayer topic). Love u in Christ. Both of you will be okay, in Jesus' name, Amen.

Dear God Almighty Father and Creator. You who created Heaven and Earth. We will praise Your name forever. We pray for "Josiah Skiff" and his family. That You Lord are with everyone every day, looking to them and strengthening them to spirit, soul and body. Bring them all into Your kingdom Jesus. You who know all the thoughts and motives of the Holy Spirit, Amen.

Dear "JosiahSkiff," don't think about how we word ourselves. For as always, the Lord God sees to the Heart just as before, and words can still set fire to a forest. It is good to hear that you are here with us and we are many who pray. During the prayer meeting yesterday, it struck me that we who believe in the Risen Jesus are family! So we come to God with our worries and wounds. He heals us Halleljua. We thank Him for the Word, for life, and for all our brothers and sisters in the Lord. Praise be to God Almighty, He be glory for all eternity.

1 Corinihans 15 chapter. Stay close to the word of God in Jesus name, i love u in Christ.

Is ( Mt. 24:29-31) the rapture of the church or is it the same event as ( Rev. 19:11-16)?

It is the rapture of the church. Read ( 1 Thess. 4:16-17) then see the comparison below of ( Mt. 24:29-31) and ( Rev. 19:11-16)

3 things that clearly show ( Mt. 24:29-31) is the same event as ( 1Thess. 4:17-18) which is the rapture of the church.

1) ( Mt. 24:30) Tells us "the Son of man coming ((in the clouds))" ( 1 Thess. 4:17) "caught up together with them ((in the clouds)) to meet the Lord in the air".

2) ( Mt. 24:31) a great sound of ((a trumpet)). ( 1Thess. 4:16) and with ((the trump)) of God. (That don't sound like a secret does it)?

3) ( Mt. 24:31) and they shall ((gather together)) his elect. ( 1Thess. 4:17) we which are alive and remain shall be ((caught up together)) with them in the clouds.

When we look at ( Rev. 19:11-16) Jesus comes (from heaven) in ( Rev. 19:11) and (to the earth) in ( Rev. 19:15) riding a white horse to rule the nations with a rod of iron.

1) There is no mention of any clouds or of Him coming in the clouds.

2) There is no sound of a trumpet or trump of God.

3) There is no gathering together but armies do come back with Him.

( Mt. 24:29-31) Is the rapture of the church which is the same event as ( 1 Thess. 4:15-17) Truth matters! May God Bless all who Seek His Truth.

Dear "S Spencer" how nice you have told this. Thank yYou Jesus Christ for where You Are there is the truth, Amen

1 Corintihans 13 chapter. Stay close to Jesus in His word, i love u in Christ.

Thank you Brother Jesse!

I believe you mentioned that before!

I knew the priest had to be 30 years old but I didn't tie that together with his baptism.

Thanks and God bless.

Brother Spencer,

Amen! John's ministry was to baptize with water, and as you said, a baptism of repentance for the Jews to turn from Judaism, and identify themselves with Jesus as their Messiah. Jesus' ministry was (and still is) to baptize people with His Spirit.

Matthew 3:15 answers the question as to why would John have to do this, and why would Jesus let John baptize Him?

Notice it says becomes "us" to fulfill all righteousness.



It is the fulfillment of Exodus 29:4, to fulfill all righteousness! There are three things that is very interesting about Jesus' coming.



Remember at 30 years of age, that is the age of the priesthood. According to Numbers 4:30, it was 30 years of age.



The priest had to go through a MIKVEH, a baptism. They had to be baptized from head to toe. The washing, or the MIKVEH of the priesthood is in Exodus 29:4.



But what's interesting is that Moses was supposed to do the baptizing! That is interesting because here is John the baptizer standing there and Jesus says this is for "us" to fulfill all righteousness.



And so John is stepping in the place of Moses and baptizing Jesus for the priesthood. The anointing of the priesthood is in Exodus 29:7. They were anointed with oil.



Jesus was 30 years of age, and in order for Him to officially (according to the law) enter into His priesthood according to the Jews, He would have to be baptized.

It was all according to Jewish law, and they "fulfilled all righteousness." A Jew could not say from that point forward that Jesus can't tell them the truth about the kingdom of heaven because He has never gone through the official ceremony for a priest, because Jesus did.

This was why Jesus went through the Mikveh. He needed to repent, and it wasn't to set an example for us. It was to fulfill all righteousness. According to Jewish law, His ministry would have been illegitimate if He did not go through the ceremony. Plus He had to be 30 years of age to be legal.

Blessing!

Hi Gigi.

Thanks for your reply.

Actually God didn't destroy the temple to point to the Messiah and motivate them to turn to Jesus.

He gave them the Prophets, Moses and signs pointing them to his coming throughout the OT.

That was Johns mission to prepare the way for him that was Prophesied to come.

In Daniel 9:25 Daniel gave them a mathematical prophecy of his coming on the day he was to present himself as king.

He did just that fulfilling Daniels prophecy and Zechariah 9:9.

Jesus held them accountable in Luke 19:41-44 for not acknowledging this.

"And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, AT LEAST IN THIS THY DAY, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; BECAUSE THOU KNOWEST NOT THE TIME OF THY VISITATION.

However all this was in God's plan from the beginning.

It wasn't a plan A and B.

The bible clearly tells us the veil will be moved off of Israel heart and they will turn to the Lord.

Everything is going according to Gos design.

God bless.

Hi. My name is stephanie,

So there is this girl in my school. and I know this is not much of a testimony but for all the people that see this, please pray for her. Her name is Emma and pray for me to give her the right encourgement everyday. I know that she is going thru a tough time right now and I feel like she needs more prayer for her. So please calling all christians to pray for her.

S. Spencer,

Well, that is about all for now. We must be careful not to emulate the Jews, but to exemplify Christ to them every opportunity God

presents for us.

LORD GOD help us to walk in this way. AMEN.

S. Spencer

Pt. 2

These who would still not turn to Jesus after the destruction of 70 A.D. not only clung to these shreds of Judaism even harder,

but they also got more involved with Kabbalah occultic practices carried over from the Babylonian captivity where the rabbinical

and synagogue system was created since they did not have a temple in Babylonia for the priests to perform the duties of the

Mosaic covenant. Even when they had the temple for 490 years, they still continued the rabbinical and synagogue system which

was never instituted by God. The destruction of 70 A.D. was intended to put and end to both the Mosaic system and the

Babylonian system. But Jews restarted the things they devised in Babylonia, although the Mosaic system could not be done due

to no temple remaining for the people to meet their obligations before God. It seems that God did everything to separate Jews

from these religious things that were to point to the Messiah and motivate them to turn to Jesus. But here the Judaic system

persists to this day without repentance. They really got it all wrong. My hope and prayer is for evangelists to be sent to Jews

once again so that many may hear the gospel that is despised by Judaism and may be given grace to believe it.

We, too, should learn from this and seek to have a pure approach to God in worship and faith, not adding to what we have

received in Christ-no merit, no penance, no works to appease Him or "earn from Him" any good thing, no rituals, nothing but

a life of faith and obedience, worship and gratitude. We grow by reading and following His word, practicing holy living, service to others, prayerfulness, sharing spiritual things with

others, and taking our walk by the Spirit seriously. But it is God's Spirit who perfects anything in us and matures us and

completes all that is necessary for us to become more Christ-like. The Holy Spirit imparts truth to us by causing the Scriptures

to be understood and applied.

Father thank you for hearing me. I pray for the restoration of our marriage/marriages and the santification of the vows we made to each other. repair what we see as impossble. i pray for all who are going through similar situations. relationship or not. i love my wife God please heal this. i also pray for all who are struggling in this world. Father you know our hearts better than we do and i thank you for that. Jesus thank you for your sacrifice and proving your miracles over and over again. there are countless proofs. we pray for the homeless and hungry, feed them. we pray for the fatherless, let them realize that we are your children. we love love you God and pray all these things in Jesus name. Amen

Grace Stack I don't have an answer to where it would be found in the Bible but I think you are right. God is a judge of righteous judgment, if a child doesn't know right from wrong I believe as you do they will go to heaven. Also those who are not mentally capable of understanding at any age would not be judged for sins they would not or could not understand. I'm sorry I couldn't give you an answer where this could be found in Scripture but I would think someone on here will be able to give you that answer. Thank you for your comment. God Bless you.

S. Spencer,

Pt. 1

I would like to include here the remainder of Zecharias' prophetic utterance in Luke 1. From just your selection there is no mention of sin and holiness. But the remainder of the utterance tells of these.

Luke 1:75-79

"In holiness and righteousness before Him, all of our life. And thou child (john) shalt be called the prophet of the Highest; for

thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare His ways; to give knowledge of salvation unto His people by the remission of

their sins, Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on High hath visited us, to give light to them who

sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet in the way of peace."

The Israelites should have not just been looking for someone to free them from their enemies (at that time Rome) nor from

those who hated them, but more importantly, to free them from their sin and condemnation before God. All of these things were

prophesied in the OT and Zecharias here states as much. From the behavior of the Jewish leaders, the people were looking for

the first two things in the Messiah (deliverance from enemies and those who hated them) but most likely did not see the

Messiah as one who saved them from their sins because they had the Mosaic covenant and sacrifices, offerings, and priestly

rites to take care of their sin, if they thought they had any. This is part of the reason for the desolation of Jerusalem and and

Temple (which was burned to the ground and no "stone was left upon another." This being to stop the Jews from relying on such

sacrifices and rituals before God and to turn to Jesus for a once and for all sacrifice for their sins and reconcile them to God.

It took this sort of decimation to rid the nation of Judaism so that the Jews could turn to Jesus. But even though many did turn

to Him, many more did not and continued to hold onto whatever shreds of Judaism they could still perform dutifully.

THE BAPTISM OF JOHN.

The baptism of repentance to the lost sheep of Israel.

This was to Identify them with their savior.

In Matthew 3:15 Jesus was also baptized with this baptism to Identify the savior with the people and to fulfill all righteousness, he needed no repentance.

Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

JOHNS MISSION;

Luke 1:16-17. And many of ( THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ) shall he turn to the Lord their God.

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready A PEOPLE prepared for the Lord.

Luke 1:67-74. And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

Today we are baptized by the Spirit of God.

Acts 1:5. For John truly baptized with water; ( BUT) ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Matthew 3:11.

1 Corinthians 12:13.

God bless.

Hello everybody. J.T (Josiah) here.

I'm still new to this site, but I will try my best.

I just wanted to gracefully ask you guys to pray for my family and me. My brother, Isaac and his wife, Tori aka my sister-in-law are expecting a baby later this month. I haven't seen them for a while, but I would love for you guys to pray for them if you would. I would be honored.

I do pray for them every day, but you guys just seem like greater "Prayer Warriors" than me.

Thank you, guys.

"The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord make his face shine upon you and grant you peace."

God Bless

Yours truly

Josiah Skiff

I was taught when growing up that children before they reach the age of accountability would go to heaven.That age was when they were ably to understand right from wrong and that the ones that were not mentally capable of understanding would go to heaven at any age.I saw a question on Facebook and it got me to thinking and I couldn't find an answer.

What scriptures will show where babies go when they die?Either if they die when born or miscarry or are aborted.

Asking for strong protection, salvation (those not saved), deliverance, healing, guidance, more love in our hearts and the fullness of the Holy Spirit (praying Eph 3:14-19). Asking for us and all in need. Again asking: please Lord fight for all of us against an enemy to strong for us ( Ps. 142:6). Praying Psalm 147:7 for us. Thank you.

Been married for 28 years and have 3 beautiful boys. Me and my husband are having some difficulties. I wasnt honest with him in our financial matters and kept things from him. This has led to more trust issues between us. We truly love one another, but are needing prayers sent above.

Chris

Thanks or your thoughts here.

We can all pray for a change of heart for all people for a great harvest of new believers in this present age. And we can pray that many of these believers will be Israelites.

S. Spencer

That sounds good. I have been reading on these promises and covenants also. But I will let you do the posting and I will l"listen in". Thank you for this in advance.

First your timelines are not correct. Second, Genesis is very reliable. Third, God is the author, Moses is scribe.

genesis

To GOD Be All The Glory!!! Gratitude Is Always Our Attitude!!!

Understood Gigi.

God bless you and all you do.

If God permits I will try to go to the OT and highlight some of the covenants and prophecies and see when and if they were "fully" fulfilled as presented.

It's a way to investigate and shape our hermeneutics.

There will be several views on this and it should atleast help one in examining their approach to scripture.

So it definitely won't be a debate where we challenge one views.

It won't be directed to individuals or focused on a certain eschatology viewpoint.

Instead we will let the scripture send us in the direction it intended.

Good luck! Right?

God bless.

Well stated Brother Chris.

Zechariah 12:9,10 definitely wasn't fulfilled ar the cross,

In 1 Corinthians 15:8 Paul says he was born out of due time and when he wrote to the Romans he stated they were still blinded.

2 Corinthians 3:13-16 he mentions this and the veil upon their heart.

When their heart shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

The veil is still on their heart today "Until" the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

God bless.

Please remember me and my family today in your prayers ,

Thanks for your reply Chris . I used to believe exactly the same as you , just in the last few years of reading I'm starting to think about Jesus parables and straight out words and I'm leaning in a different direction now . I'm very cautious and careful about commiting myself , I guess you could say I'm a slow learner :) . We shall understand everything one day , may that day be soon . Thanks again .

Hi Kay. If I may just share my thoughts on what you've written, pre-empting Richard's comment: you've quoted Revelation 3:15,16, "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." I understand Jesus' Words to the Laodicean Church that the works (or, fruit) they bore from their 'Christian experience' was "neither cold nor hot", or, 'their works & life lived did not resemble the cold (the unbeliever) or the hot (the one in Christ & Christ in them). Rather, Jesus saw them as lukewarm (fence-sitters, middle-of-the-road, nominal practising Christians). Jesus would rather see them for who they are: be it cold (unbelievers) or hot (believers), as there was no place in His Kingdom for the lukewarm (considered to be non-Christians, imposters in the Church). Not only in Laodicea, but greatly in Christendom today, lukewarmness is the order of the day - and Jesus would have none of it.

And Matthew 24:13, "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Our brother Jesse who is regularly seen on these pages, has shown us from the original Greek language, that our reading of this verse should be: "The one, however, having endured to the end, he will be saved" (direct rendering from the Greek). So, this verse doesn't speak of a Christian enduring to the end & then gaining salvation - there are many other verses that suggest otherwise speaking of the believer's security in Christ now; but that if we truly believe & have God's Holy Spirit in us, we WILL endure to the end - no exceptions, because that is the very Nature & Purpose of the Holy Spirit in us "to keep us from falling (away) & to present us faultless before the presence of His Glory..." ( Jude 1:24).

Lukewarm 'Christians' & those who easily & regularly do despite to the Spirit of Grace in their manner of living, desperately need to be saved & secured in the Love of Christ.

Hello Shelley. Indeed, this is a very sad disturbing account that would ordinarily raise questions as to David's culpability by his actions, when in fact God had moved David to conduct this census (2 Samuel chapter 24). I used to struggle with this matter as to how is it possible that God could cause someone to commit an evil act (or, be His instrument to execute His judgement in such a manner), and then have him (David) realize his sin for doing so & ultimately that he was compelled to prepare burnt & peace offerings to atone for his sin.

But I merged this passage with 1 Chronicles 21:1, "And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel", to correctly understand that God's Plan to satisfy His Anger against Israel was by lifting His Protection from them, thus giving Satan licence to act. So if I may paraphrase, I would then read 2 Samuel 24:1 (in conjunction with 1 Chronicles 21:1), in this way: 'And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and He allowed Satan to stand against God's people by moving, or inciting, David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.'

Now Israel was in a horrible position; not only was their great enemy Satan ever ready to pounce on them to lead them away from their God, but God had for this particular time removed His covering from them, so that Satan would do to Israel what God wanted as His punishment against them. I see a similar act in the Book of Job, when God permitted Satan to test Job's integrity & fear of God, so that God's view of Job would remain unchanged. In the 2 Samuel incident, God used Satan to punish His people for their wickedness; in Job, God allowed Satan to test His faithful one to prove his uprightness.

So, I see that David was still responsible for his decision & action and so had to acknowledge it & repent of it. The fact that David's heart was smitten after his sin, shows that he realized his foolishness for not trusting God in spite of Joab's warning.