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Will Adam never receive salvation

What or who was Lucifer?

Please remember me and my family today in your prayers

You're welcome Gigi.

I love the way you break down the trinity.

God bless you.

DSearemi, I have been praying for Erin today. I pray that she keeps herself safe from self harm and that God will intervene in her life during this trying and painful time for her.

Very true, S. Spencer. Thank you for explaining that tonight.

Good Evening, Richard,

I often think upon the marks of His suffering on His body. These will be seen on Him forever. We can always look to Him and see these marks and praise Him for the greatest of His sacrifice for us and be thankful. These marks may very well be the most beautiful marks we will see in heaven. Blessed is Jesus, our Savior, Redeemer, Deliverer, Prophet, Priest, and King!

Oh Dearemi, I am so sorry to hear that, I will be praying for Jonathan and the person shot.

Urgent Prayer Request:

Brother Jonathan just saw someone get shot.

Amen Richard.

God bless you.

Amen Brother Chris.

God bless you.

The Resurrection Day

John 10:18 shows us that Christ had the power to give up and take life back again. Starting at the statement at His death "it is finished" ( John 19:30) the atonement was complete at the same moment. The comment from the fellow prisoner (the one who repented) at the cross recieved a response just prior to that event where Christ assured him "today you shall be with me in paradise" ( Luke 23:43). This shows that sheol which at the time was the abode of all the dead (see state of Lazarus vs the rich man in the parable of Luke 16:19-31). Jesus came to set the captives free ( Ephesians 4:7-10) also alluded to in several other passages that could also refer to those captive in sin still on earth. He preached to the spirits in prison ( 1 Peter 3:19) which were either the demons or Nephilim and their offspring which were in the abyss before their time; or all the lost. Those who were His own were set free; their souls went to heaven and many appeared after His Resurrection ( Matt. 27:52-53). Thus; after this time only wicked in the torment part of hell still exist down there.

Christ; of course was the "first of the firstfruits" ( 1 Cor. 15:20). There will be the following afterwards; those who came out of their graves at that time as I stated above; then those at His appearing (i.e. Rapture); then those at His coming (2nd Coming). The firstfruits continue until the 144,000 which is a sort of gleaning of Israel ahead of the main harvest the countless multitude coming out of the Great Tribulation. ( Rev. 7:9).

What is most sobering is that Christ still bears marks on His body ( Luke 24:39); apparently the only one who is resurrected with such scars reminding us of his earthly suffering and existance. Hence; God did not allow His holy one to remain in sheol or see decay ( Psalm 16:10). He was the perfect; unblemished Lamb of God who we shall forever worship and adore.

Agape; Happy Resurrection Sunday.

Rich P

DEUTERONOMY 6:4.

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

There's only one God.

John 10:30.

John 14:7-9.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME, PHILIP? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

1 Corinthians 15:28.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

This is after the Millennium reign, Then he will establish the eternal reign.

Then he will return to his place where he was in the beginning,

( back to the God head)

"That God may be all in all"

Who raised Christ from the dead?

John 10:17-18.

Romans 8:11.

Act 13:30.

Answer; The triune God. "Elohm".

If Jesus is the body of the Father but yet a separate God as one claims. That contradicts what is written in scripture.

Ephesians 4:4-6.

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

We're servants and worshipers of that one God. Now and for ever.

God will share his glory with no man.

Isaiah 42:8.

Dearemi, I will pray for Erin today.

Alex, thanks for the explanation.

Hi Lisanne,

I hope you don't mind my reply.

I watched the video you listed and like you said it is detailed, and he tied a lot to his charts with many dates and signs that would be difficult to verify. Is he correct? I cannot say, I will just point out a couple of things. When he used Virgo and Leo to describe the woman, he said the sun was at her head and the moon was at her feet and above her head were 12 stars using Leo and three planets coming up with the date of Sept. 23, 2017.

The things he said happened Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem and Trump did that in December not on Sept. 23, Israel made Jerusalem its capital in 1980. The Rabbi said 10 jubilees until the Messiah, and he tied that to 2017 but Jesus has not returned, I could list more.

In Rev. 12 The woman is clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and 12 stars was upon her head. You can find in Gen. 37:9 a good description of Israel. He called the woman Israel but did not explain why he thought the woman was Israel.

I would only say beware of those setting dates when only God the Father knows, he did not come out to say a date but he was tiptoeing around it. We can put together signs and dates that are mesmerizing.

I hope you take this as my opinion of this video and not of you and please study for your understanding.

God bless,

RLW

Please pray that God will give me a big financial blessing

Donna sorry i mis spelled Stephen's name....I was gonna post something completely different but when i sat down at my computer this is what i posted....The H.G. came upon me and this is what i typed....Try to understand....When i think about Calvary and the blood of the lamb i get so excited and i just cannot hide it...Alex....No pun intended.

How can I run with an empty spirit

How can I see in the dark with only my eyes, surely I'll trip, surely I'll fall and surely I'll break but through it all know that it was all just my strength and not yours through it all it was just me being human.

But you forgive those who confess and acknowledge they are wrong

Concerning Creation

My question is When did God create other human beings?

During the 7 Day's circle or after the 7 Day's circle?

Second question

We all know of the how part of Adam and Eve and am far more interested in the how part of other people?

Adam comes from a dust, Eve from the ribs of Adam, Jesus Christ was born from the virgin Mary.

How did God create other human beings?

Donna i know i'm late to answer your question but i just noticed it...And its a very good question....There was no man worthy to shed his blood for humanity but Jesus....Steven was a great man of God like so many others but they still carried that stain and spot of Adam...Christ Jesus was the only man that didn't carry the stain and spot of Adam....Thus he was the only man that cd shed his blood for the sins of the world (humanity)....Thats y John the bap. said behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...No other man cd die for the sins of the world....God wanted a New Covenant for the sins of the world but it was only Jesus that was good enough to die for the sins of the world..There were many great men of God but none of them cd be the lamb of God... They cd stone Steven and the Prophets and many others simply b/c their blood had no redemption value...When he was crucified at Calvary the shedding of his blood God wanted the world to see it...He fulfilled that New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:34...via his blood...And here is the meaning of that New Covenant in his blood..If i be lifted up ( his blood ) i will draw all men unto me....This NC is truly enormous....simply b/c its all inclusive...I will know them all from the least to the greatest...This Know them all is an intimacy that is gonna result in a birth of CHRIST IN US....Thats y he always refered to himself as the son of man...Mankind is gona have a baby b/c of his blood...Smite the shepard ( his blood ) and the sheep will be scattered then will i turn my hand to the LIL ONES...The babes and sucklings his offspring in us sinners...What he did at calvary made this whole world clean...When we were yet sinners Christ died for all of us sinners...Thats y God was so upset with Peter commanding water baptism for the remission of sins...Telling Peter 3 times what i have made clean ( Calvary) do not call common or unclean...All the unclean animals in that sheet was Humanity made clean by his blood.GBU

May we be faithful as we pray for our nation's leadership and their need for a relationship with our LORD JESUS CHRIST. 1 Timothy 2:9. Let us not faint or be weak; but may we go forward and reach the lost. May we be not weary of well doing, but be strong through HIS word and promises.

We must be about the work of the LORD, making disciples as we called to do in Matthew 28: 18-20.

As GOD is not willing that anyone should perish, 1 Peter 3:9, we must be encouraged and plant the seed, water where we can so that the LORD GOD will give the increase. 1 Corinthians 3:6

The time is at hand where all saints are called to duty and reach out, pray up, and tell to all the salvation available in the gospel of the LORD JESUS CHRIST. Romans 10: 9-12; Acts 4:10-12.

GOD bless all on this platform and praise the LORD on this Resurrection Sunday, 2023. GOD to shine HIS face on all, and be gracious as we await HIS coming.

Gi-Gi Gbu...love ya....But all the explaining in the world cannot change the scriptures....Rev.11:15...The kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever...There is no scripture that can change this...And many more that tells us His kingdom is gona be right here on this earth...

.....And you said that this earth is too sinful for his kingdom to be here ...But you are not realizing what Jesus said....In John 16:8 kjv..When he the Spirit of truth is come ( the H.G. the manchild the kingdom ) he will reprove the world of sin and judgement and righteousness....Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all Nations....All Nations is indicative of this beautiful earth...

.....There is nothing wrong with this beautiful Earth that the blood of the lamb did not fix...@ Calvary...A new heart and a new spirit is all mankind needs...As being born again of his incorruptible seed ... Isaiah 62 :22kjv ...As the New heaven and the New earth shall remain so shall your SEED and NAME remain...Which is the seed of the sower that is gona form Christ in us, The H.G. his name sake the Kingdom....Which is our New heart and New spirit...Gi-Gi Always remember God so loved the world ( humanity) that he gave his only begotten son....And the gift of the H.G....The Promise is that Kingdom as the Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace and righteousness in the H.G. Romans 14:17 kjv

....Gi-Gi stay away from other bibles like the NSAB, OR Concordences and Church comentaries They can make the bible say anything....Thats y there are a approx. 20,000 different Churches and religions on every corner....They all have their big Concordences but none of them believe the same....The scriptures plainly tells the Anointing you have received of him ...will teach you all things...You need no man teach you 1 st John 2:27 kjv only

Thank you brother S. Spencer. You've presented some very good & worthy thoughts for all to consider. For the Christian to live a joyous & abundant life, must have at its root the knowledge that their relationship to the Father, His Son & His Holy Spirit are secure because of Who God is, what He has done, & the promises given in His Word.

For a believer to remain unsure of his salvation, trying his best to obey ALL the 'commandments' (not just found in the Ten), would to my mind, be a very fearful position to be in. Unfortunately, I think people have focussed on Church teaching & Christian behavior to determine that the 'eternal security of believers' is impossible because of the possibility of them falling away & ultimately rejecting Christ. Rather than consider that God makes no mistakes, that 'all which God hath given His Son, he should lose none of them' ( John 6:37,39). They fail to take into account that the Spirit's sealing (as you quoted from 2 Corinthians & Ephesians), is not a haphazard work dependent on the whims & fancies of the Christian - it is a permanent work of security, giving the believer the joy & power to live this Christ-separated, Christ-centered life.

And then the question that comes to mind: for those who are uncertain that their salvation is secure & whether they will stand confident at the Bema Seat Judgement, how much faith & obedience will it take to assure them of their acceptance? One may never be obedient enough or good enough if resting on their strivings to please the Lord. Does one then just give up & live carelessly (as the 'once saved always saved' are often categorized as)? As I mentioned elsewhere, I think that believers are lacking knowledge of the mighty working of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life, seeing spiritual failures all around, & therefore trying even harder to live the God-glorifying life in their strength. When the answer simply lies in 'living & walking in the Spirit' ( Galatians 5:16). Blessings.

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Khalid Mansoor Soomro is from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. He was an ardent follower of Muhammad until he decided to put a challenge to some Christian students at his school. This dramatic testimony tells the first-person perspective of how a Muslim convert came to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Khalid's Story

And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." ( Mark 16:15, NKJV)

I belong to a Muslim family. When I was 14 years old, I was studying in a convent school in Pakistan. My parents had forced me to learn the Qur'an by heart when I was seven, and so I did. I had a lot of Christian fellows (or acquaintances) at school and was surprised to see them studying because I had always found Christians to be of a low profile in the society.

I discussed and argued a lot with them about the accuracy of the Qur'an and rejection of the Bible by Allah in the Holy Qur'an. I wanted to force them to accept Islam. Often my Christian teacher told me not to do so. He said, "God may choose you as he chose the Apostle Paulus." I asked him to explain who Paulus was because I knew Muhammad only.

A Challenge

One day I challenged the Christians, suggesting that we each burn the other's Holy book. They should burn the Qur'an, and I should do the same with the Bible. We agreed: "The book which would burn, would be false. The book which would not burn would have the truth. God himself would save his Word."

The Christians were frightened by the challenge. Living in an Islamic country and doing such a thing could lead them to face the law and meet its consequences. I told them I would do it by myself.

With them watching, first, I set the Qur'an on fire, and it burned before our eyes. Then I attempted to do the same with the Bible. As soon as I tried, the Bible struck my chest, and I fell to the ground. Smoke surrounded my body. I was burning, not physically, but from a spiritual fire. Then suddenly I saw a man with golden hai

Thanks Lisanne for the heads up. I had a quick look at it (first few minutes) since each of his messages are over an hour long, & I can see from his interpretation of the Revelation that many here will turn it off quickly. But I shall go through his messages as time permits. Thanks again.

Hi Adam. As I go through James 5:19,20, I'll share my understanding:

"Brethren (i.e. those in the faith from the Jewish diaspora), if any of you err from the truth ('planethe', to go astray or wander), and one convert him ('epistrepse', to turn him back); Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way (returns or guides him onto the path of holiness of life) shall save a soul from death (from God's Judgement by virtue of physical death, cf 1 Corinthians 11:27-32, noting that God's Judgement is done in Love, to the end "that we (the Christian in sin) should not be condemned with the world, as those who are consigned to Hell)...and shall hide ('kalypsei', to hide/conceal) a multitude of sins (by restoring a wayward believer by his repentance & restoration, that his sins repented of, will no more be judged by God).

Indeed, "a Christ follower can fall away, stray, wander, err from the truth" as you wrote, but if he is "in Christ" as "Christ in him", he will always, repeat always, be gently ministered to by the Holy Spirit & led back to the path of true & abundant living. Not one of Christ's sheep will ever be lost, even though they stray afar. But if they remain obstinate & continue to dabble in sin, as in the case of incest at Corinth, the apostle using his authority, delivered that soul to Satan's domain "for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus".

I hope that brings out my understanding clearly, though I could not understand your last question, re: Billy Graham gaining more forgiveness/more grace.

James chapter 2 explains 2:24 - Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Faith without works is dead. Or... Titus 1:16 - They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

James 2:19

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

Or the ones that proclaim to be believers, but Jesus says He never knew them because they were workers of iniquity. They believed in Jesus, they just never repented.

So, the question should be what is Salvation before we discuss losing one's salvation. I think we confuse believing in Jesus to be saved. God's Word says even the devils believe...we know they aren't saved.

The once saved always saved doctrine, I think is dangerous, as we see many Churches today giving people license to live like the devil, and have the comfort of eternal salvation over their heads.

So, what is Salvation, what is born again? Can a person believe in Jesus and live in sin and still be saved? If a person must repent, is that not works? Remember, Jesus told those "Christians" He never knew them because they were workers of iniquity. It was by their works that He never knew them.

Hi Donna. I care little about your real name; it's the message one conveys that is important to me & particularly so to those who have little or limited knowledge of the Word.

In respect to Psalm 82, this has been much quoted over the past months, even years, & I have during that time shared my understanding, so I'll mention it briefly here. But I would first ask, what is Psalm 82 speaking about - I mean the whole Psalm & not just lifting out a verse & making it mean something?

From verse 1 to verse 8, the message is the indictment of unjust wicked judges (earthly judges). And when we come to an interesting phrase in verse 6, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High", one should immediately look to the original language of this verse & the context of the Psalm, only because if we don't do so, then any interpretation one gives might be correct.

But the word used here for "gods" is 'elohim'; and this word is a generic word, which is used of the True God, of gods, of rulers, of judges. Given the message in Psalm 82, 'elohim' certainly can't apply to the True God (which I believe you won't subscribe to either), neither to other gods or an imitation of the true, but to the judges spoken of in the Psalm. And Jesus used this verse in John 10:34, which they would have understood in entirety: that God spoke of judges, and as judges & men, they were "children of the most High". If then Jesus said, "I am the Son of God", why should these accusatory Jewish leaders accuse Jesus for claiming to also be a Son of God? And then Jesus spoke on His relationship to God by the works that He did. But those judges of Psalm 82 were wicked "and would die like men", and these too, to whom Jesus spoke, were of that ilk: judging Jesus wrongly & would stand before their Judge, the Judge of the whole Earth ( Psalm 82:8).

So, I hope you can see Donna, that we cannot use this Psalm to teach that we all become gods nor change any other Scripture to suit us.