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This is one of the best books in the Bible for believers. I can't tell you how many people I have asked to confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh and have failed and made so many reasons not to do it. And every time, it always proves what kind of spirit is functioning in them. I personally think that every Christian should ask whomever their pastor is to confess this. It will keep you at ease and you'll be aware of what you're dealing with.

James 4:7

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

James 4:8a

"Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you...."

2 Timothy 2:15

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Lydia, before I was born again, I was a "half Christian" so to speak, sort of like you said, not 100%. The problem was, I believed and loved Jesus, but I didn't want to give up the world and my sins. I rarely read God's Word, etc. Something happened in my life, and I began reading God's Word...studying it, taking notes, everyday. I'm not kidding, I just started to change. I began to understand God's love for me, and what He wanted from me. I saw my sins for what they were and it broke me. I repented, and gave up the things I was hanging onto. I knew for the first time in my life, I was a true born again Christian. You have to get into God's Word, and be willing to turn from sin and the world. Look up "what is sancification", it's our Christian walk, learning and growing for the rest of our lives. The simple fact that you are asking for help, is your beginning.

The root of the idea that one can lose his salvation is a works based salvation.

This suggests the covenant is made by God "and you".

" God would multiply Abraham's seed by one coming whom the Gentiles will trust and when he gets here you have a role to play to initiate it."

This idea puts us in bondage!

Galatians 4:23-28

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Hebrews 6:17-19.

Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

WHICH HOPE WE HAVE AS AN ANCHOR OF THE SOUL, BOTH SURE AND STEADFAST, and which entereth into that within the veil.

UNCONDITIONAL COVENANT.

Genesis 15:2-12.

God performs the ritual for the covenant alone,.

That makes it unconditional.

The promise has an inheritance.

A city made without hands! Hebrews 11:9-10.

The birth of Issac was the result of Gods faithfulness

Abraham couldn't do anything to void it. Abraham believed God!

We're children of promise and there is nothing we can do to void it.

This promise is given to those who believe.

God bless and good night.

Lydia, none of us are good. We can't work our way to heaven, without faith in Jesus Christ. And, even our most righteous works are as filthy rags to God. God is so pure, holy and righteous, we can only be made clean through His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus washes our sins away, gone, forever. And, only then, can we become close to our Father in heaven. When we become Christians, born again, a new person with a new heart, we want to worship God.

The only way to heaven, is through Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Please pray for my friend Erin, I don't know if she's thinking on su@ci@e, send prayers for her and for her to hopefully know the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hello again Alex,

As to what an interjection is: a word or phrase that is made for emphasis, usually at the beginning of a sentence or at times within the sentence structure, other times at the end.

In this verse, the NSAB says, As it is, my kingdom is not of this world hence. A few other translations use the word "But, my kingdom is not of this world hence."

Those that use "Now" are using this word in the same way as the other translations. Since Jesus had just spoken in the previous sentence that if His kingdom was of this world, people would come to fight for Him. Then He goes back to His first sentence about His kingdom not being of this world using "Now" or "But" to direct the hearer back to the initial statement.

Concerning our eternal security.

If I can lose my salvation;

how do I re-save myself if I still abide in this sinful flesh?

If perfection is required; can we ever produce perfection being born of Adam?

Isn't that's why we have to be born Again?

Consider these verses:

1 John 3:9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Corinthians 15:45-51

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ( Then you will be perfect)

( neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.)

Being born of this corruptible flesh

If one can lose his salvation, he could never get it back!

I've seen one post saying; no one is saved or knows he's saved until the judgment.

(Isn't that the opposite of faith?)

Consider these verses:

2 Corinthians 1:22

Ephesians4:30.

Ephesians 1:13-14.

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

God bless.

Brother SSpencer:

Jesus himself says he has a God and has a Father.

Ephesians 4:6 ...and Father of ALL, even Jesus.

2 Corinthians 11:31 The GOD and Father of Jesus Christ .....

Ephesians 1:3 ...the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ ...

1 Peter 1:3 ...the God and Father of Jesus Christ ..

If Jesus has a God, and Jesus is a God, then there are 2 Gods, not 1.

There One because Christ is the BODY of HIS GOD.

If Jesus was the same God, as God, he wouldn't have to turn the kingdom back to the God who gave it to him.

Psalms 22:1 My God, MY God, why has thou forsaken me ...

Mark 15:34 .... My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me.

Was Christ crying out to himself.

Did not Christ, a God, have to be raise by the Spirit of God?

Christ himself said, I of myself can do nothing .....

The words are my Father's words

If he were the same God, as his God, he could speak his on words.

We have all been deceived, just like Revelation says, by mans teachings, and it's hard to repent from those teachings and believe what God says.

God bless you.

Hello Alex,

The "now" does not always mean "at this present time" as you take it to mean in John 18:36. It is also used as an interjectory word as in Matthew 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise:" Matthew was not saying that Jesus was being born at that present time he wrote this gospel. In the same way, Jesus, after saying once that His kingdom was not of this world, He reiterates what He just said using the word "now" in the same way as Matthew did in Matthew 1:18.

Agreed S. Spencer

OK Earl, since you have not correctly identified yourself as requested in my post ( and also in the past) then your refusal to answer to correct me indicated tha you are indeed Earl Bowman. You have gone by many names here: ELB, Ruby Lea Read, and now Donna Stephens, and a few others; I think Preacher Man or Prophecy or something similar. The problem with posting under multiple names is what I (and a few others) feel is a deceptive way to make it appear that others on this site hold to the same type of doctrines as you have promulgated in the past and repeated again and again under whatever name you come up with.

We do not know why you do this, perhaps you could explain. But for me (and others) we cannot agree with some of the doctrines you speak to often here: universal salvation of any and everyone regardless of true faith in Jesus or not; that we become gods; and that all people will be given a chance to accept Jesus after death.

From here on out, I will be calling you Earl, for that is who I truly think you are by this name posted in the past for a long length of time. Your other posting names have been each short lived. I wonder why?

The father and the son is not "Gods"

The father and the son "is" God.

Ephesians 4:6.

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

God being in us refers to the Holyspirit. ( That doesn't make us God's.

Being one with God also doesn't make us God.

There is one body, and one Spirit, EVEN AS YE ARE CALLED IN ONE HOPE of your calling;

( THAT'S HOW WE'RE ONE WITH GOD)

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

We're one with God.

We're not Gods.

Luke 22:32 seems to be a reference related to this one; one version states "when you are converted" before mentioning strengthening the brethren. In that case; Christ would be the one who is foreseeing Peter's betrayal; but knows ultimately as one of God's children; that he will be restored and in fact a pillar in the development of the church. So it would appear that conversion doesn't always have to be a one time experience when we first come to the knowledge of salvation and in time and space are "saved." We should also examine carefully our confession by examining ourselves to see if we are in the faith. ( 2 Cor. 13:5). We could say the same for repentance as well; it is necessary for us to deliberately turn from our ways following sin; yet God Himself "grants us" the gift of repentance. (see 2 Timothy 2:25 and Acts 11 and several other passages). If we rebuke a wise man ( Proverbs 9:7) we get good results; with a mocker in the next verse; not so.

As the parable of the sower and seeds indicates; we must reach fruit production to indicate that we are truly abiding in Him; therefore we must pass the test of trials and temptations after our initial "conversion" experience; God chastises all those He loves.

Jema:

Christ has already come the second time, he came when you and he were resurrected TOGETHER.

He is the kingdom of God, you became a joint heir of that kingdom by being resurrected together.

The kingdom is WITHIN YOU"

Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery (of the resurrection) ...... Christ in you .....

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the SECOND TIME (as the SPIRIT of TRUTH), without SIN (unbelief) unto SALVATION.

John 14:6 .... I am the way, the TRUTH, and the LIFE (your his body): no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Corinthians 15:54 .... Death is swallowed up in VICTORY ......

1 Corinthians 15:54 .... this mortal SHALL PUT ON immorality .....

1 Timothy 6:16 ... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light (of the Father) ....

1 Corinthians 15:49 As we have borne the image of the earthly, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

I Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the new creation in Christ) a body as he has seen fit, and to every SEED his OWN BODY.

God Bless you.

Brother SSpencer:

It's God; the WORD, that says we will be gods.

Psalms 82:6 I (the WORD) have said, Ye are gods the children of the most high.

Are these God's words.

Just because you don't believe those words doesn't make those words not true.

John 17:22 And the glory that thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be ONE, as we are ONE.

You believe the Father and son are ONE, and they both are Gods, YET you denied that WE being ONE with the Father and son makes us a god also.

I don't understand how you can say these scripture mean something else, they are very plain and straight forward.

God Bless you.

It's good to mix things up a bit and do things differently , we are bound to see something new when we look at things from a slightly different angle thanks .

Enjoyed your post thanks .

Pt 2

Jesse

In Philippians 3:12-14 Paul talks about himself,

"Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I MAY apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count NOT myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."

In 2 Timothy 4:6-8, which is Paul's last letter before his martyrdom, when everything in his life was to end soon he writes,

"For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."

Finally lets go to Matthew 19:28,

"And Jesus said unto them (the 12), Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Jesus gives a promise to His disciples, including Judas, that they will sit on thrones and judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Did Judas get that promise? No, he didn't. Why not? Because he failed. But that promise was for him as well, wasn't it? But he didn't get it. There is always a condition for one to get the promise of salvation, like Paul wrote above to "have fought a good fight, to have finished the course, to have kept the faith".

GBU

Hi Jema.

You haven't offended me at all and you're right we are to learn from one another but not loose sight of Ephesians 4:5.

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

God gave us Christ and we are baptized into Christ.

We function as one body, Scripture tells us how we are expected to function in the body.

It's the working power of the Holyspirit that causes that oneness, We are to minister God's truth to a lost world.

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Mathew 12:30.

However everyone in our midst is not of the body of Christ.

No one is perfect but there are some fundamental teachings that a babe in Christ would hold.

One is there's a heaven and hell.

There's consequences to one who denies Christ.

No one teaches it's ok to sin by the Spirit of God!!

And these heresies is important enough for him to change his name.

That's where the fall began.

And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:

"Earl teaches otherwise"

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ( YE SHALL BE AS GODS,) knowing good and evil. Genesis 3:4-5.

Earl says we are going to be God's.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mathew 7:13-14

God bless

Pt 1

Hello Jesse

I had decided not to participate any more in discussions we have all had before about "secured or not salvation", but at the end it seems I can not avoid it.

About the grk HUPOMENO and HUPOMEINAS.

HUPOMENO is a verb of the first person, its complete form is "ego hupomeno", it means "I endure", (as you know in grk when speaking the personal pronoun is ommited since from the ending of the verb it is known to whom it is reffered).

HUPOMENON is a noun, it means "the one who endures, an endurer".

HUPOMEINAS is the same as above but it refers to the past, i.e. "the one who endured", I don't think there is a respective single word in Eng.

[Pronountiation in mod grk (if you are interested), the "h" is not pronounced, and the "u" is pron. as "ee". So it is "ee-poh-meh-noh", stressed at "meh". Always have in mind that syllables in grk usually are of the form conson-vowel, not conson-vowel-conson, neither vowel-conson. as in Eng. Also vowels are clear front mouth vowels. That will help you a lot when pronouncing grk words.]

So lets go to Mark 13:13, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.". I don't really understand how you come to understand that verse the way you do. To me it is obvious that it says exactly how it sounds, that the one who endured those tribulations (Jesus speaks as if He sees those events after they happened, that is why He uses the past tense) he WILL be saved.

Similarly James 1:12, "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he SHALL receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him". How do you understand this verse? It is like running a road, of say 10 miles, if one finishes then one receives a crown.

Hebrews 6:15, "And so, after he (Abraham) had patiently endured, he obtained the promise"

Rom 11:22, "...but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

Jesse thank you for your response and for that correction, but you didn't answer the question I asked you in my comment. Jesus was speaking to the 12 Apostles or to someone in all 4 gospels but that doesn't mean it's not prophecy for the end-times. ( 2 Tim. 3:16) Doesn't the ((deliver you up)) time period (prove) that Jesus was speaking of the end-time tribulation period? This is when True Believers will be ((delivered up)) and the Holy Ghost will speak through them in the Lastdays. ( Mt. 24:8-13) v9 "deliver you up" ( Mk. 13:9-13) v9,11, "deliver you up" (Lu. 21:11-15) v12 "delivering you up" This is a prophecy for the end-times, Isn't it Jesse? Again thank you Jesse, but I would really like to here what your thoughts are on this question? Blessings.

Job 29 is a powerful chapter.

The laws regarding tzedakah, Giving, are God's secret, reinforcing all the other scriptures regarding The Laws of Giving. Luke 6:38 reaffirms.

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

This principle is primarily used in context for tithes, but it is much larger, as Luke, Jesus, Job & multiplicities of scriptures affirm, reaffirm, repetitiously, as to make the point on wooden heads.

Job outlines tzedakah more in this one chapter than any other in the Bible. Justice and righteousness are inseparable. The Hebrew root tzedak. Can't have one without the other. The heart reveals where we are at in our relationship with God. It is a blessing to give. We'll not be taking anything material with us to the other side.

The poor widow gave ALL she had. That is so powerful. Juxtapose the priests' tithe, mint, an invasive weed. As a tzedakah gardener, I have to laugh at the priests' tithe, lol. One could do two individual, whole sermons, one on the widow, another on the priests' gift, lol. Funny, yet no so funny.

It is a travesty of justice and righteousness that some Christian theologians hides this abundance from the masses, effectively stealing our birthright to G-d's abundance.

The Laws of Giving are the same as all of G-d's universal laws, set into motion at the Creation. The more one gives away, think not strictly in terms of $$-there are multiplicities of facets of Giving, the more one's cup is shaken, then pressed down, then overflowing. God's blessings cannot be constrained! It's a dynamic of His Laws regarding the Laws of Giving.

Caution: give with a pure heart however, seeking only to bless another, without accolades, acknowledgement, preferably anonymously, if possible. This keeps ego in check.

Very excellent understanding.

Adam I agree with Tammy, thats written to mean those who had fallen away from the truth as many will fall away from the truth in the Lastdays. I would also add to this the 12 tribes to which the book of James is written to are all the descendants of, or the children of Israel. These same 12 tribes who are sealed in ( Rev. 7:4-8). This is the bloodline that was preserved through out history for Jesus Christ to come through that started with Adam, then his son Seth and so on. I believe the United States to be the tribe of Ephriam who received the double Blessing. That verse says who do err (from the truth), It doesn't say who err from our Lord and Saviour. So what is that truth they err from? If its written to the 12 tribes, if the USA is Ephriam, then the KJB being translated to the English language in 1611 would be that truth that was preserved for the 12 tribes from God Almighty to be published among all nations, ( Mk. 13:10) The USA is the greatest Christan Nation in the world which would be the only chance for this prophecy to be fulfilled, no other nation could, or would do this. ( 2 Tim. 4:3-4) They ((turn away their ears from the truth)) The USA is Ephriam the largest of the 12 tribes which also did get the double Blessing in ( Gen. 48:13-16) v14 "Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephriam's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn". ((He crossed his arms forming a cross to give Ephriam the double Blessing)). v16 Israel says "bless the lads, and let my name be named on them". and ( Gen. 48:17-20) v20 Tells us "and he set Ephriam before Manasseh". Then the Blessing of Joseph which was passed to his sons are in ( Gen. 49:22-26) which pretty much describes the USA the greatest Nation, the greatest Christian Nation in the history of the world. Its always a good thing to dig deep into the Word of God seeking His Truth, Right? Sorry its a little off track. Blessings.

The only use I have for a time line is the dates that are inferred or given in the Word. I would never want any person to think

anyone has any kind of control of God's time line for doing whatever He wants. His creation took 6 days and He rested on the seventh. That was His choice.

I just watched this last night and found it to be very detailed with lining up signs, times, seasons, starsRobert Breaker's Revelation series chapter 12 literally taken from the KJB and can't elaborate enough on taking everything from KJB, no drifting.

Not sure if links are allowed but I couldn't believe the work done with math and dates and his charts

I found to be amazing.

No links allowed but you can find it on yt, open your Bible because he does move fast.

It's hard to put it down because it goes so deep there's no endthe Bible is amazing

I use a sheet of paper, usually 8.5 x 11" a pencil and a ruler. Make a line. Mark it off in the middle, that's the cross, about 4000 years after creation. Mark off 1001, then 2000 etc for starters for the Old Testament. Where does Abram go? About 2000 BC. for example. Then Moses around 1500 BC. OK. Now suppose I am wondering how God has run things. Who is in charge? God is. He created everything and appointed Adam to run things. God gave directions. Adam didn't obey and is punished but runs things still. Then the tower of babel - people punished but are still in charge. Noah and the flood - the people given laws, Noah was to lead. Later Moses was chosen to lead a chosen people and put the 613 laws into writing with results for not obeying. God's presence was there to enforce the laws.

This is so brief I hope it makes sense. As I read I note who God is dealing with, looking to see how is He doing it. What is He doing that is different at each point in time? How has God punished each time people rebelled? Can I get a better picture of God's plan for preparing a people to be priests in His future kingdom? When did keeping the Law stop being a requirement, or did it? This is something I never expect to finish doing. I can always learn more. Did I see something this time I missed last time?

Max

I'm sorry , there must be things going on on here that I'm not aware of . I do know that there are a lot of different Christian denominations and that they do all differ slightly , shouldn't this site reflect that and be a place where we can all share our beliefs and maybe learn from each other ? That's why I read this site , in the hope I will learn something . Is this site for only one denomination ? I've read others say similar things to what Donna says . No one can learn anything if we stifle debate . I like that we all have different things to say . I hope I haven't offended you .

Hi Jema.

I agree, there's nothing wrong with choosing not to use your real name for various reasons such as cyber bullying and stalking ect..

However that is not the issue here.

Here we have one that stood in the way of the Gospel message that used his name for years until his attempts and false doctrine was found to be faulty.

Then he and others like him decided to start using several different names.

One of the key components to this doctrine they espoused is an attack on John 3:16.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

SALVATION.

What are we saved from?

The consequences of sin. Gods wrath.

What did it cost God to display the love he have for the world?

His son.

This means nothing if there's no consequences to sin!

If salvation is universal and we all become gods in the end whether we believe or not, Whether we repent or not,

That's exactly the message an unrepentant world wants to here.

It also the approach Satan had when he approached Eve in the garden. "You shall not surely die"

Paul said we should examine ourselves how do we examine ourselves if there's no right or wrong.

Vladimir Putin and everyone like him will be rewarded with eternal life with God when it's said and done.

God display of Love when he slew his son was at best a mistake.

And God taking out a people for himself a joke.

Yes Jema, it does matter when you constantly change your name to display that.

God bless.

Brother Chris,

I will get back with you as soon as I can. My wife and I are getting the grandkids for a couple of days so I'm not sure when I will get a break! But I will get back with you soon (Lord willing).