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Jesse, you are deserving of my kindness. I think that all of us in our recent discussion on the pre-trib rapture should go back and re-read what we posted to self-examine ourselves. That is all that is needed at this point, since the Holy Spirit will use this discussion to refine each of us.

We can always think the best of one another, and pray for each other, and speak honestly about how we treat one another so that there is nothing left outstanding. So, if you read my posts to Jimbob, you will know my thoughts. I know we all need forgiveness and to practice it with mercy and love.

So, please know that I consider you to be a dear friend on here. I value your teaching to all of us here, but even more so, I value your kind and considerate way you most often exhibit on here and I thank you for that.

Have a good evening, Jesse. I look forward to conversing with you soon. Jesus is our peace in every situation. Let's lay hold of that which we all have in Him.

Are the Jews the chosen people? If so, where can I find scriptures to prove it?

I am praying that both your mother and father are healed, if it be God's will, in Jesus' name. And, if you can call on the elders of your church, here is a verse instructing us, when there is sickness: James 5:14 - Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

If you don't have elders or a Church, pray over them in faith, anointing them with oil in the name of Jesus.

You sound like a very good child to your parents, I pray you are blessed as well.

Not sure how young your daughter is, but there are a lot of tools you can use to get her use to reading KJV. If you look up on Pinterest "Sunday School Lessons KJV", or "KJV for youth" or "KJV for teens", you'll find some things you can print out to use. Example, here is a cool tip by Kevin Barney to help with reading the KJV: "Just remember this rule: th- forms are always singular (thou, thee, thy, thine) and y- forms are always plural (ye, you, your, yours)."

Try to get her interested in learning how to read the KJV, there are a lot of tools out there that can help. Don't force it, and make it fun. I hope this helps. God bless.

The peace of the Lord Jesus Christ is with you, my dear friends. The Lord Jesus Christ blesses all of your lives. I am a young Egyptian Christian. I live in Egypt. I want your help and your prayers for my mother and father because they have chronic diseases. I left work in order to take care of them and serve them. Their treatment is very expensive, and I am very poor. I borrowed money from the bank to pay for a heart surgery and to enter medical intensive care for my mother and father. I need your help to save the lives of my mother and father, and my God Jesus Christ bless your life. Amen

GiGi,

Thank you for your kindness, kindness that I feel is undeserved at the moment. You have a blessed day also!

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Jimbob,

If I remember correctly, I think I read where GiGi had said that she has changed her mind on things before. I also have changed my mind on things that I once thought to be true, but later on through closer study, changed my mind. Maybe that has never happened to you before, but it has happened to me. If one changes their mind on scripture, wouldn't that mean that what they once thought was the truth, they no longer believe to be true? I would think so.

Jimbob/GiGi,

I'm sure you both would agree with me (or maybe not) when I say that the rapture is one of the most controversial topics amongst Christians. It is a topic that has caused much division within the body of Christ. I think our conversations on this subject have proven that. We call pre-tribulation a "theory," but to be fair, if one does an online study, Pre/Mid/Post Trib. are all listed as "theories." The bible never specifically says there will be a Pre-Trib. Rapture. But it also never specifically says there will be a Mid-Trib. Or Post-Trib. Rapture either. I think the three of us do believe there will be a rapture. We just don't agree on the timing.

You both have shared your understanding on this, and I truly believe you have come to your conclusion through careful study of scripture. I also have come to my conclusion through careful study. Whether one believes in Pre/Mid/Post Trib., each side has convincing scripture to support their belief. We all study the same bible, and the same Holy Spirit that lives in me, also lives in you both. We all have to rely on God's Spirit to teach us. I have no doubt that that is your approach to scripture, as it is mine also.

May the Lord continue to bless you both!

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Jimbob,

Are you saying that I am intentionally choosing to deceive people and hide the truth from them? If so, that is so far from the truth. I have been posting here for several years, and I have NEVER chosen to deceive anyone, nor have I chosen to hide truth from anyone. Let me ask you this: If I told you that you were choosing to deceive people and hide truth from them, how would that make you feel? I would never say that to you. Even though we disagree on this topic, you believe you are correct, and I believe that I am correct, I'm sure you are being completely honest when you share what you believe to be true.

Now, you say that all you are doing is posting truth? Don't we all believe we are posting truth? But what happens when the "truth" you are posting conflicts with the "truth" someone else is posting? Why is it always the other persons "truth" that is false? We read a lot of things here, some of it seems slightly off, and some things are way out there, but those who post actually believe the things they are posting are true.

Are there any of us here that can honestly say that the things they share is absolute truth, or that they are completely incapable of misunderstanding God's word? I cannot say that for myself. I know that it is always possible for me to misunderstand scripture, and it is also possible for me to post something that is wrong, even though I believe it to be true. But I also believe it is the same for everyone else.

It's easy to say we are posting truth, but in actuality, what we are doing is sharing what we believe to be true through our understanding. What we post and share with others is what we study and believe to be true. We share our understanding. That's all we can do. None of us are infallible when it comes to God's word. We are all capable of misunderstanding.

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Jimbob, first, let me say that I completely agree with your characterization of GiGi. You've described her quite well. I fully concur. I remember when she first came on this site, and I have followed her posts from that time forward, and I have never read anything from her that seemed disrespectful. In fact, quite the opposite.



GiGi, I have read through your discussion with Jimbob, and some of things you mentioned, I did say, but I can assure you that nothing I said was directed at you, especially the part about "continuing the argument for weeks. And I did not say that you have posted "many errors." I believe what I said was there have been things in the past that you have shared that I disagreed on, but I never said, "many errors". Off the top of my head, I would say that there might be two or three things that we differ on, but those things did not seem important enough to call you out on. I'm sure I have posted things that you have disagreed with also, rapture timing for sure being one.

You responded to GiGi saying "I only commented and asked if he would show me the posts or comments where I harassed, or badgered anybody, or was tearing them down or disrespecting anyone in any way." I searched for your comment to me last night but did not find any comment you had addressed to me. I went back a full week looking for your name and could not find your post to me. This morning I searched again, and I did find a post that said Jimbob-in reply. I saw that last night but did not know who you were replying to, so I looked past it. When I opened it up this morning, it read "May God be with those you choose to be deceiving and hide the Truth. Nothing is hid from God!"

Are interracial marriages. wrong I would like to see proof also. Thank you!

Jesus said not to worry about what we will eat or what we will wear because look at the birds in the field they do not worry about clothes and are you not more valuable than them? Of course, not the exact wording.

My question is If Jesus is telling us not to worry about what we will eat, why are their people without any food?

Will loved ones be reunited in the afterlife?

How can I explain the afterlife to my 8 year old ?

Letha Lane Its really good that your daughter is interested in reading the Word of God. You really should get her a KJB, the NLT is no different than the Niv. All modern version Bibles have changed the words. In ( Jer 23:36) it says "for ye have (perverted) the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God. The word (perverted) is #2015 in Hebrew; it means to change. All modern versions, including the NLT have changed and even leave out complete verses. ( 1 Cor 1:10) tells us we should all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, and ye should be perfectly joined together in the same mind. Think about this? If 10 different people read the same verse from 10 different modern version Bibles, then you tell them to memorize that verse. Do you think they would all speak the same thing? Would there be divisions among them? Would they be all joined together in the same mind? All the modern versions have changed the words, they are ALL different. The KJB has had the same words since 1611. The KJB is the pure, preserved Word of God that He promised us in ( Ps 12:6-7) The word (pure) is #2889; it means sound, unadulterated, uncontaminated, morally innocent or holy. God used holy men of God in ( 2 Pet 1:19-21) to preserve His Word or this time period. (Pro 30:6-7) Tells us "Every word of God is pure, he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. (7) Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. All modern versions have added to and taken way from His Words! ( Rev 22:18-19) We should not add to or take away from His Words. Get your daughter the True Word of God a King James Bible, not words of men. I would also recommend getting her a Strongs Concordance to go with it, thats where you get the True meaning of the words in the Original languages like I did with the words (perverted) and (pure). Modern versions changing the words have taken that option away in there books. God Bless you, I hope this helps.

Send prayers for the sister of brother Jonathan, her arm was hurting and she is currently doing x-ray, please pray, thank you.

Hammer63 Thank you for your response. Yes I have considered ( Gen 4:1) In that verse the word (conceived) is #2030; it means pregnant, (be, woman) with child. But you need to read the next verse for the full context ( Gen 4:2) It says "And she (again) bare his brother Abel". The word (again) is #3254; it means to add or augment, to continue to do a thing, add, again. If a woman gives birth to a child then continues to do a thing, which is her being in labour and bares his brother. Then what has happened? She had Twins! Other things point to this also, ( Gen 3:3) The word (touch) is #5060; it means to touch, lay the hand upon, TO LIE WITH A WOMAN. ( Gen 3:7) Tells us their eyes were opened and ((they knew that they were NAKED)). ( Gen 3:15-16) In verse 15 the LORD is speaking to the serpent and says "And I will put (enmity) between thee and the woman, and between ((thy seed)) and ((her seed))" First the (enmity) is #342; it means hostility, hatred, to hate, to be hostile. The word (seed) is #2233; it means posterity, carnally, child, to disseminate, bear, conceive seed. The word (seed) in Greek is #4690; it means something sown, i.e. ((seed including male "sperm")). Now we take a look at a couple of verses in the New Testament? First the Words of Jesus in ( John 8:44) Ye are of your father the devil,. Then we are told in ( 1 John 3:12) Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one,. This was the reason Cain's works were evil, and his brother's righteous? Cain was of that wicked one, the serpent in the garden, the devil. The devil was trying to corrupt the blood line that he knew Jesus Christ would come through. I hope you can see this Hammer63. Blessings.

Asking for strong protection and breakthrough concerning all the things previously lifted up here and prayed for by us. Asking this also for all others in need. Also Lord please help with this issue with F. Thank you.

Danny, I guess it would depend on what type of conflict is happening. I would start by praying for the situation and the ones in conflict. I would also try to maintain an attitude of compassion and kindness towards all in the family. I would ask the Lord for discernment.

I have a large family that is very divided on some really big issues. Our Mom passed away last May and so we needed to work together to care for her in her last weeks and to settle all of her affairs after her death. It was good that we accomplished much of this without too much drama, but there was drama, most of which that stems from decades long angst that a few persons continue to feed and allow to color their interactions with others. I did my best to work with all of these people the inevitable event of my Mom's passing, but now that she is now gone to be with Jesus, I choose not to interact with the few who have been so antagonistic to me because of my Christian faith and other things that they can't get past (which really have nothing to do with me). If we have whole family gatherings in the future, I will participate, but I will not meet one on one with the one's who have been so divisive in our family. I am 66, and the 4th of ten children. We are all old enough to know what is best to do concerning our relationships.

I do not know what you are facing in your family. But I will pray for peace and resolve for the conflicts in your family.

Daryl, I will pray for Sandra.

Dear Heavenly Father, today we come to You in the name of Jesus lifting up Sandra in prayer. We ask You to bring healing to her body, relief from the pain this cancer is causing her, and replacing the damaged cells with healthy ones. Lord, we commend Sandra into Your hands because we know that You love her and only You can accomplish what is perfect in her according to Your will. Amen.

Adam, thanks for the reminder to be prayerful on these matters.

Agreed, Jesse, we can all ask for wisdom in every circumstance. Thanks for the reminder. Have a blessed day.

Hello Mel8, Thank you for your post to me.

And I agree, we should have a degree of trust between the people we interchange ideas with on here. And I do have that sense of trust with the "regulars" I was dialoguing with concerning the pre-trib rapture theory. I have exchanged ideas with these folks man, many times on here and do trust. It is because of this past experiences with them that I felt I could address the differences we have on this topic at length. And I still trust them. We just strongly disagree on this point.

I would have welcomed your input in this discussion if you so felt led to participate. But, now that the discussion is closed, I am glad to hear of your feelings about it. Take care, Mel. I am glad you are among us here. I do believe that God has drawn each of here according to His divine counsel. We can love one another here and also disagree. These are not opposing things, rather aspects of true relationship that endures through difficult interactions and remains beyond disagreements.

Have a blessed day, Mel.

My younger daughter has been looking at a NLT Bible and I was wondering if it is very close to King James Bible or not. I like the King James for several reasons, but she would like one she thinks is easier to understand/read. It makes me sad, but I told her I'd find out. Do you have any advice? I don't want the NIV because they leave out verses and change wording which is not right. I just wasn't sure about NLT.

:) I think we all should make it clear especially in public because some people use both words when referring to their dad or father. And I have known people to call God their Daddy.

True, Don, true. We are to stay watchful, be prepared as the virgins with oil in their lamps, increase in faith and endure in faithfulness until the end, whether that be natural death, martyrdom, or being alive when Jesus does return. We are to be prayerful, diligent in our service for the Lord for the sake of others, live exemplary lives before others for the glory of God and to reflect the character of Jesus in our godly living.

Our calling is to be representatives of our Lord in this world with a willingness to suffer, as He suffered so greatly for us, taking the wrath of God for our sin upon Himself on the cross. Our sufferings are light in comparison to what He endured. But none the same, they will try our faith and cause us pain and troubles. The glory that lies ahead for us is beyond what we can imagine. So we keep our eye on the prize of the upward calling of Christ; to the inheritance kept for us in heaven; to the full redemption of our body, soul, and spirit; to hear "Well done, good and faithful servant." And ultimately, to see our Savior face to face in all of His glory!

Jimbob, yes, this has been my experience.

I just truly want people to point out when they think I make an error in a timely way so that I can reconsider and correct it when necessary. To me, truth matters, and I want to be on the side of truth as much as possible, especially when I post on a forum like this.

So, hopefully, our conversations with these and others will be edifying in the future, honest, forthright, and addressing the topic of discussion without personal remarks that border on slander.

I know I did exactly what I was asked to do, support my view with Scripture and break down Scripture verse by verse. No one addressed these posts that I cited Scripture as far as refutation. So, I guess that speaks for itself.

Jimbob, we all can learn to be more humble, teachable, and willing to have our viewpoints "sifted" by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God. This is always good! Have a blessed day.

Ruby,

I noticed you took Philippians 2:5-6 and separated the verses into different lines then made uppercase the things you wanted to emphasize. The verse was talking specifically about Jesus who was in the "form of God" and "equal to God".

Ruby, do you think you are equal to God?

Will our beloved pets be in heaven with us?

I do now that Cindy , I used the word dad instead of Father as I was distinguishing between the two , I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer .

GiGi I don't know if this applies to you but I have found from past experiences that everybody who believes the pre-tribulation rapture theory will pretty much go in attack mode when they can't defend what's being presented to them from Scripture that disproves this theory. I agree with you GiGi we should always present our case with Scripture, and with love. But that should go both ways, if someone didn't correct you when they said you posted many errors and then brings it up in this discussion much later, then are they being completely honest? How can we know unless they show us at that time, if we post something that's not Biblically correct? One of those guys did agree with you about something, then he admitted that he didn't even read the post. One also falsely accused me of things and it sounds like did the same to you. We should be very careful who we put our trust in today for Truth, unless its proven with Scripture. Many Blessings GiGi.