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The difference in tribulation and wrath? Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that ((we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God)). 1 Thes 3:3-4 That no man should be moved by this afflictions: for yourselves know that ((we are appointed)) thereunto. 4. For verily when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. The word (afflictions) and (tribulation) have the same meaning #2347; it means pressure, afflicted (-tion) anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble. ( 1 Thes 3:3 tell us we are APPOINTED thereunto suffer affliction. 1 Thes 3:4 tells us we should suffer tribulation. Now we look at Romans 5:1-3 tells us we glory in tribulations also, knowing that tribulation worketh patience. (The word tribulation in this verse has the same meaning as above, its pressure, affliction, burdened, anguish, persecution, trouble. Now on down a few verses Romans 5:8-9 verse 9 tells us "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from (wrath) through him". This would be very confusing if the words tribulation, and the wrath we are saved from by the blood of Christ were the same thing, wouldn't it be? The word (wrath) is #3709; it means violent passion, or [justifiable] abhorrence, by implying punishment, anger, indignation, vengeance. 1 Thes 3:3 tell us (we are APPOINTED to afflictions, or tribulation). 1 Thes 5:9 tells us (God hath not APPOINTED us to wrath). There is no confusion here because they are different time periods! The (tribulation period) and the (wrath of God) are very different time periods. We go through tribulation but we do not go through the wrath of God, that will be punishment, vengeance on all non-believers in Jesus Christ. Blessings.

Entering Into Gods Rest (Part 2):

Cindy,

You see, that puts so much emphasis on what Jesus said up on the cross (His last words). He said "It is finished." All of the creative provisions of God for our salvation are done, no longer to go back again. It is done. We can't add to it. We can try to take away from it, and We can try to add to it, but we can't make it. So, enter into His rest!

Now what is interesting is that in Genesis Chapter 1, at the end of each day of creation, it says "and it was evening and morning," day one, day two, and it goes all the way through day six at the end of Chapter 1. But in Genesis Chapter 2, it never says the 7th day ended. It's because it's still today!

Do you see the gospel representation? It's still the same day in God's timetable as the children in the wilderness for them to enter in. For David's time 400 years later, today. It's still today. If you will hear His voice, enter in. Don't let it pass by. So, there is still a Sabbath rest waiting for the people of God.

Most people don't notice that in Genesis Chapter 2, at the end of the 7th day, it doesn't say it was evening and morning the 7th day. It's because the Sabbath rest, in creation, parallels and gives the gospel message that Jesus Christ is our Sabbath rest, spiritually. And we can see that as we continue to go through Hebrews. But a lot of people get confused here in Chapter 4. It's just a very beautiful parallel and it gives us a lot of meaning as to the gospel message.

There remains therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into His rest, he also has ceased from his own works, just as God did from His. When I received Jesus Christ, and the fulfilment of all that He did for me on the cross, and all of God's provision, it's finished, it's complete. I just received Christ. He's done it all. And what do I do? I enter into God's rest in my spirit!

I hope this is what you were looking for.

Blessings to you!

Entering Into Gods Rest (Part 1):

Cindy,

Hebrews Chapter 4 speaks of the superiority of Jesus Christ to Joshua. But it also talks about entering into Gods rest. When you get down to Hebrews 4:10, it says "For he that is entered into His rest, has also ceased from his own works, just as God did from His."

So, the writer of Hebrews is going back to creation. He's saying if you surrender to Christ, you will be doing just what God did. You will cease from your own works (your own efforts), at your own salvation, and you will enter into God's rest.

Now here's how it works:

God took 6 days to create all things. And by the way, the Hebrew word Yom for day, it can be either 24-hour days, or it could be like our metaphor when we say, "the day in which we live," meaning the age in which we live. It is important to know that the 6 days were six 24-hour days, as mentioned to us in Exodus Chapter 20.

But we have a problem in the creation account. The Jews don't have a problem. We have a problem as Gentiles understanding the connection here. In 6 days, God created all things. And on the 7th day, He entered into His rest and finished His work.

The number 6 in the bible is the number of man. We know that from the book of Revelation. The number of man is 6, and the man of sin, his number will be 666, not six-hundred and sixty-six, but 6 three times, in contrast to the trinity of God. So, the number 6 represents man, and the number 7 in the scriptures represents completion or perfection. So, man falls short of perfection or completion, therefore he has fallen short, as Paul would say of the glory of God.

Now here's what the writer of Hebrews is trying to get across:

The writer is trying to tell us that God has provided for us salvation. That parallels His 6 days of creation, to the point where He comes to us on the 7th day of His creative works for our salvation, and He says "Enter in to your rest!"

PSALMS 91 KING JAMES BIBLE

This a perfect psalms for this season of trials and various temptations

Thank Jehovah God, for giving his Angles charge over us.

Blessed; be our Lord God that range for ever and ever.

AMEN

I thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I will take time to study my bible more because all the answers are in

there I need to take time to find them. Ask the holy spirit to lead and guide me.

Again, thank you for your knowledge,

and patience in answering my questions

Jackie

I thank you for your reply, you are my second reply. Both are the exact same statements and bible references.

Unfortunately, that is not what is being preached in most churches, or places of worship. This is leading a lot of people to

believe that the person is with the Lord, and not asleep. I sure it is a comfort for the family to believe this or hear this. I just

leaves the average person with so many questions. I guess that's where studying your Bible is needed.



Thank you for taking your time to answer me.

May God Bless You

Jackie

I thought I was on the right track, but all my life I have heard the statement "Absent from the body means you're present with God. The sad part is that I have even heard it a funerals. I guess it gives the family and love one peace but I would prefer to be told the truth.......

Also you seldom hear hell preached at a funeral ..... Thank you for your time and Knowledge much appreciated!

Jackie

Our Freewill is wonderfull, when used to love He who loved us, and who paved that narrow road for those the Father draws.

You asked Questions, you got replies.

I for one no longer will respond, because to debate issues related to opinions can turn into one of two directions- beneficial or foolish.

Looking for healthier matters for my soul and spirit, is where I rather go.

D

I'm not one to arm wrestle spiritual speaking, but in the 9 spiritual gifts empathy nor mercy is listed. Please be very careful about adding to the Word, Revelation speaks of that toward the end of that book.

As you pointed out decernment and wisdom are the same, here again understand the word and the connection to the meaning.

Decernment tends to be used with judgment of in accordance with the Word. Where wisdom is having experience, knowledge, good judgment.

Solomon's "wisdom" was in line of ruling and governoring Israel, GOD'S people. Decrement here would not fit well.

If someone is just discovering their "gifts" and have been observing the Word, I think that, that person should have from the Holy Spirit less questions and more direction on how GOD is honored and given glory to our Lord also.

I'm not here but to mainly say, use extreme care, through prayer and scripture when working with the Holy Spirit and gifts. The greatest of us start by washing feet.

D

Nicely explained and I agree with you , thankyou .

Please pray for the salvation of all family and relatives who are unsaved (the majority). And I continue to ask (for family and I and all in need) for deliverance from all bondage, healing, guidance and infilling with the Holy Spirit and strong protection (I plead the blood of Jesus over us, ask for Holy Warrior angels and a wall of Holy Spirit fire to surround us). I again pray Psalm 35 "Lord contend with those who contend with (us)". Also praying my church takes prayer more seriously (only very few join the prayer times).

Yes Gigi.

That is wonderful. Let's not forget about those before Abraham. By faith they made sacrifice also.

All those sacrifices pointed forward to one who would come out of the loins of Abraham.

He would be a King and Priest after the order of Melchizedek. ( King of Salem) Christ has made us Kings and priests also!!

What's unique about that is under the Law, The Leviticus Priesthood couldn't hold the office of Kings and priests.

Only Melchizedek, Christ and the Church!! Revelation 1:5-6.

Peter confirms that in two words; (Royal Priesthood) in 1 Peter 2:9.

God bless.

Richard, Yes, we need to seek the Lord at all times, but especially when death is near. And yet, we are to remind ourselves that the Father calls and draws near those He has chosen for salvation. Therefore, even in dire circumstances we can know that the Holy Spirit contends with the unbelieving heart even up to death. So, we can certainly trust that even though we may not be 'in the sphere' when someone is close to death, we can trust that the Holy Spirit is and is able to do all of the work of salvation without us in such circumstances.

But we, ourselves are to not lose heart when we face such a foe as death. God is with us and will not forsake us even if we should die, we will live.

Dear Phillip Mezzapelle, we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God ( Romans 3:23). But if we confess those sins He will forgive us ( 1 John 1:9). We confess them at the moment we accidentally commit them and other sins that come to mind during the confession part of the time(s) we set apart to confess, praise, sing, quote Scripture, read and study the Bible, etc. We confess our sins and ask Him to help us repent--or to never repeat that sin.

The problem is--the sin, if you will--is that those accidental sins can become deliberate. Some of them become our pet sins. We may hate them but they give us pleasure and are habit-forming and we just keep on doing this. This stunts our growth in Christ. You cannot continuously commit deliberate sin and expect to live a joyful, victorious, life in Christ.

Repent of those sins right now and determine never to do them again with Christ's help--ask Him, and He will help you, but repenting is up to you.

Establish a special, lone time of devotion to our Lord, as I mentioned above. Stay faithful to Him. Go to a Gospel-preaching church. Serve others. Tythe. Stay repented of your sins...

Psalms 1

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

God Bless!

Hey Jesse,

I agree brother, wherever Jesus will be paradise. Good question, where is paradise? What do we see in Luke 23:39-43? Many see this as when we die, we go directly to paradise, can I say no you're wrong, No, it may give some comfort to someone to think their loved one is already there. Are there other understandings? yes.

In the original language, there was no punctuation and only upper-case letters so, the understanding may change by just a comma. "I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise". Or, I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise, or would it read differently without the capitalizing of the word today?

Does the context of what was being said bring more light to this verse regardless of the comma? Two thieves were hanging next to Jesus, one railed at Jesus and the other rebuked the other thief and asked him if he did not fear God saying, they deserve their punishment, but Jesus did not do anything to deserve this, he asked Jesus to remember him when he comes into his kingdom.

Would Jesus come into his kingdom on earth that day? Not yet. Did Jesus go to paradise that day? Jesus said in Matt. 12:40 He will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. And in John 20:17 this was after He resurrected, Jesus told Mary not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended unto His Father. Does this verse say we go to heaven when we die? No.

This is not to be dogmatic it is just another understanding of Luke 23:39-43. Where is Paradise I believe in the millennium the land of Israel will be almost like paradise, but I believe the New Earth will be where our paradise will be, and I do not think we can even imagine how beautiful it will be.

God bless,

RLW

test rusults on my 15 year old grandaughter-shows heart problem and liver problem

thank you for your prayers in the name of Jesus/amen

Matthew chapter 23 is a very powerful indictment against the religious leaders in Jesus's day . Any of us , who put ourselves in the position of any kind of biblical instructor should also be taking note of this chapter and applying Christ's warnings , to ourselves. The Word of God is the most precious thing , we all must handle it very carefully as we shall answer to our Heavenly Father .

Not good or a person ! Food or a person ! Sorry !

Acts chapter 10 . Peter is told not to call anything unclean if God has cleansed it . This applies to food literally and also to the gentiles metaphorically . If God makes something or someone clean then they are clean , wether it's good or a person .

The Word says if a man falls 7 times he will get up. Analogies can in some respects be as a parable, meaning the example of learning to ride a bike takes skill in balance among other things. Giving things as such, to me, for the most part are ok, but there's something deeper that we all have and most do on a daily basis. It's making the decision to ride, focus on the effort, be confident and content that mission the mission accomplish able.

My point is that this experience of the bike is different, between, the start to learn - to the final results. Both stages requires an internal focus on decision or a "willingness" to continue trying or not.

Sir, our Lord said that if we pray in his name " it will be done of his (Jesus) Father and ours. GOD. Much prayer we all would treasure, but please remember it's up to you. By redirected thoughts to praising to our Lord also increases faith.

We all are to run a race that can have consequences, as we run, but keep reminding the mind, " He (Jesus) will never leave us or forsake us".

Being a minister it would seem best to find ministers of like mind and heart. A minister should be very very careful in going to the church with a condition that most likely other ministers would have - understanding better, being a minister themselves.

Change from counting falls, to Testimonials of steps taken, because of that inner decision to not give up, give thanks, praise, and worship.

It might seem hard, and long during the time it takes, but as you "stand" the past will stay there.

Please don't lose heart, there is a crown waiting to be placed.

D

Thankyou for your post today . I needed to hear it .

When you die in unbelief, there are no more chances to be saved

Please Lord Jesus guide Mark on the path that You need him for in ministry for Your Glory. Please Holy Spirit enrich Mark with Your spiritual gifts through prayer and scripture I pray in the name of Jesus Christ!!!

Cindy,

There are some instructions that were given to the Hebrew people about things they were to do on the 8th day, but if you are asking about the creation account and where day 8 comes into play, I would say that day 7 has never ended.

I have to leave for an appointment but I will send more later today on this.

Need a Bible kjv

Psalm 88. Probably the most depressing passage in all scripture as to a personal viewpoint of experience in this life. This certainly reminds us of the book of Job. (see Job 30:15 in particular).

Verse 4 seems to indicate that this person is near unto death and is further supported by verse 6 where it seems the pit of Sheol is nigh. We see that those in that state are "cut off from thy hand" therefore there is no more mercy from God at that point. We are reminded of Isaiah 38:18 and many other passages which show that the dead will not praise God (verse 10). Furthermore; destruction and forgetfulness also describe the fate of those in hell (verse 11-12). Those things which affected our emotions and desires on earth ( Ecclesiastes 9:5) will not exist as the body returns to the dust. However; the soul lives on and for the unregenerate in conscious torment (see Lazarus and the unnamed rich man ( Luke 16:19-31).

Nonetheless; we must seek His face while He can be found. Job's state wasn't hopeless; and neither is anyone in Christ who truly repents and seeks the Lord. The enemy certainly can have us ensnared in sin; or oppressing us with feelings of hopelessness. We need to confess sin and seek His face; as well as trusting His promises despite circumstances. That is good advice surely in war; famine and other horrendous circumstances that bring us near death as well as seeing death all around us. These passages should remind us to seek those who may be disfigured by disease and to demonstrate God's love through service wherever we can.

Thank you for that Brother Jesse!

Reminds me of John 14:3.

God bless you.

Some Christians feels that you should tell others your gifts. that's why i ask that question. it seems 3 of you suggested No.

i'm just now discovering my gifts. i have the right to ask questions. when it comes to God we have make sure we help one another.

i'll be back to this discussion before it close because it's a debate right now.

please remember me and my family in your prayers today

You're on the prayer side now Jimbob, ill pray Love u in Christ