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Question why do people in my church insist that they are talking about grape juice and not wine as we know it It makes no sense to even mention it if it's just grape juice?

what does the bible say about the blood of Jesus

Me and my wife are praying for your family right now. Don't give up but remember the Good Lord said to pray and fast for some of these...

Yes Brother Jesse.

I listened to Pastor Raul Ries

Autobiography on YouTube.

Awesome testimony.

heavenly father, help me, You knows my pain, You always know what was happened because You see everything a most hidden corner , I come with a broken heart, Father, You knows how long I have waited a reconcilitation for me and him. God if you deign, please God soften and touch damianus aditya christie heart for me. I can't touch his heart, but Lord you can. please bless those who hate me, don't let their hatred on I made them proud. God you be able to do all things. you are God my Savior, and my hope is in you all day long. please make this miracle happen for me

Brother Spencer,

I do recall mentioning Raul Ries a few years ago. His testimony is very powerful. He grew up a violent person involved in gangs. Later in life he ended up getting married and having children but he was an abusive husband.

His wife was a church goer and a believer and tried desperately to get him to go to church with her, but he refused. One day he came home to find his wife and child gone with a note saying that she couldn't take the abuse any longer.

He went out to search for her, but with no luck. He was devastated. He went back home and started to destroy the house and got a shotgun and was going to kill himself.

With the butt of the gun, he went to smash the tv but ended up hitting the power button, and guess what came on? Pastor Greg Laurie! So that must have been the last thing his wife was watching before she left.

Well, he sat there listening for a bit and Greg's message must have been powerful because Raul fell to his knees, wept, and called out and received Christ right there and then.

His wife came back, I'm assuming to pack, and he told her that he had received Christ. She was hesitant to believe him at first, and rightly so!

He went on to start his own ministry which has become successful and has grown over the years. His dad was a full blown non-believer, wanting nothing to do with the Lord.

For many years Raul tried to get his dad to come listen to him in his church, but his dad refused. This sort of broke Raul's heart.

Years went by, and at the end of on of his sermons, he gave an alter call. There was a long line of folks coming forward and unbeknownst to Raul, His dad was in that line.

He didn't even know his dad was there and this was the first time after many years that his dad showed up. I read all this in one of his books titled "Fury to Freedom."

Brother, if you get a chance to find this book at a Christian bookstore, or perhaps online, you won't be disappointed.

God Bless!!!

GiGi I agree with everything you said. Enjoy your weekend GiGi. Blessings.

Jimbob, The actual clear teachings of the Scriptures on the second coming of Christ have been cited and presented here multiple times by various people. But those who continue to adhere to their pre-trib rapture dispensational viewpoint while saying they believe what the Scriptures say with literal interpretation are just not really being honest, while accusing you and I of not understanding, or making many errors, or other words to discredit us are showing their unwillingness to submit to the plain teaching of Scripture without the influence of dispensational premillennialism nor an openness to reconsider in light of the counsel given them. So, it is probably best at this time to not engage in conversation with people who are disrespectful in the way they look down on us and pray for them. We, too, should remain open to learning new things or to correct our viewpoint when Scripture plainly teaches something refutes our beliefs.

Jimbob, I am sure there will be more opportunities to reiterate the teachings of Scripture on the second coming of Jesus in the future because the teaching on the pre-trib rapture is a recurring "pet" topic of discussion on this forum. We should be all be prayerful about what we say and bring to this forum as well as our motivations. We wish to be obedient to the lead of the Holy Spirit in all of our conversations here, but that does not mean we should not bring forth strong objections to ideas that contradict what is plainly stated in Scripture.

Have a good evening. I am going to lay low tonight since it is Friday. Not sure what hubby has planned, but looking forward to the weekend with him.

Jesus believer

Read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-11, Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13.

Alex, glad to know that Nacol1900 is you as we suspected. Thank you for clarifying this. I just want to ask why you changed your screen name?

When a new name comes up on the screen many will think that it is a new person rather than one who has been on this board for some time, like you. It is fine with me if you change your name, and it was easy to see that Nacol1900 was you because you sort of have a signature spiel that you give with most of your posts, which uniquely identifies you.

I hope you are doing well today. Today has turned out to be a pleasant day with sunshine now and just above 50 degrees. Spring will be here very soon and then it is time for gardening again! Yeah!

Hope to talk with you soon.

You're welcome Brother.

God bless you.

Yes Brother Jesse.

I've listened to all three of those as well.

I think you referred me to Raul Ries concerning a great testimony I'm not mistaken.

God bless you.

My daughter is in an abusive marriage. Please pray for a way to escape. Plus, it's affectng the children, my precious grandsons.

S Spencer I'm truly sorry to here you say you didn't even read my post. I have been completely honest with you, as well as everybody else in this group. I do my best to post Truth and nothing more. Why you chose to treat me with disrespect, in my opinion, could only be because I'm right about the pre-trib rapture theory and you know that. It cannot be proven using Scripture, and I hope and pray you see that now. It's not to late to turn from that Spencer and start teaching His Truth, I'm not trying to offend you, or in any way be disrespectful but just being honest. The Truth will set you free! I will continue to make posts to show the pre-tribulation rapture is a lie, as well as I'm sure, GiGi and others will also. I can't force you or anybody else to see that, but it is the Truth so it is very important. I have really enjoyed the conversations with you and others on this subject, they have kept me deep into the Word of God which is never a bad thing. I have never been deceptive with you in any way, I want you to know that, nor ever would be even though I think you kinda accused me of that. I will respect your decision as you asked, even though I didn't get that same respect from you. Feel free to reply to any of my posts Spencer, I am sure you will be disagreeing with many of them. Blessings Spencer.

For my daughter and son in law, going through a divorce. Lots of lies between the two. One wants to stay married the other doesn't. It's a mess. Three kids involved.

Thank you for your prayers.

Thanks David.

That's what you already stated.

Again I disagree with no further response.

God bless

Jimbob

I never honestly read the reply and not going to. I only read the first sentence of this post and immediately lost interest. I didn't go no further.

I was thinking it may have been something about salvation.

I m sorry I have read very little of your replies since your initial post unless it was directly to me.

Nothing recently.

After you said you don't won't to talk about salvation I decided to agree to disagree and I hope you can respect that.

God bless.

Psalm 87. When we compare God's foundation in the holy mountains (v. 1); we also see how Satan would want to establish a foothold there we are reminded of Daniel 11:45 and some other verses in that chapter auch as verse 19 discussing fortresses.

Verse 2 discusses the gates which would protect the outskirts of the city and also the Temple.

We see the east gate mentioned in Ezekiel 44:2 where Christ will return in the future. That history is intersting as to how it was shut in and kept from intrusion in the past during the Middle Ages. (see history of Saladin).

The city of God will be where Christ rules in the Millennium and then in all eternity the Heavenly Jerusalem will come down to earth at that location. (v. 3).

Verses 4 through 6 are indicative of Christ as well; as it is mentioned that a number of nations will recognize the importance of the birth of this unnamed famous person there. Verse 5 indicates further that he will "establish her" which again indicates the future reign there. Verse 6 seems to indicate God's role call; or perhaps the Book of Life or those physically dwelling in Israel in the Millennium (commentaries debate this). It is interesting that Christ is also counted as everyone else in that number.

The last verse of course could refer to literal springs or it could be figurative. Such verses as Ezekiel 47 show a literal fulfillment. We see the praise of God of music which again would be a future event so that it finally can fulfill the prophecy of being a place of prayer for all nations ( Isaiah 56:7 quoted in Mark and Matthew's gospels).

Jcolli9,

Yes, Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. That is why I said that when our physical body dies, our spirit departs to go be with the Lord. That's what it means to be absent from the body. It is our spirit that will be absent.

Now, the body we now live in is a corruptible body. One day when Christ comes, He will raise our body as an incorruptible body, a perfect body incapable of sin, sickness or death. It is then that our spirit will reunite with our new glorified raised body.

1 Corinthians 15:53 says "For this corruptible must put on incorruption." Why? Because we cannot get into the kingdom of heaven with flesh and blood. This mortal, which means death, must put on immortality.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. ( 1 Corinthians 15:54) That is from Isaiah 25:8.

I hope this answers your question?

Blessings to you in Christ Jesus!

Blessings GiGi,

You are correct that God is Spirit from all eternity. Yet, the names such as Mary, John, Jesus, etc. are used for body identification. Jesus the BODY was not God, because God is not a body. I realize it's difficult to reason that Jesus the body is not the Christ. Jesus that appeared as a body, was fully aware His reality was Spirit, being completely aligned and in harmony with the Mind of God. Christ Mind, not body, is Mind of God extended to His perfect creation in creation. Without some human body to relate to which took on the Christ Mind, we would have no way to relate to God. Jesus, the body who appeared had as his mind the Christ Mind He was created with. Thus, the mind of Jesus has nothing in it that does not come from God; the difference between us now is that He has nothing else - we do. And that nothing else is all beliefs that God is not only Love, but He is also the God of fear. Love and fear are opposing thoughts and ideas. They can only exist in a confused mind, bent on duality.

The bible says that there is no fear in Love and that perfect Love casts out fear. Because fear has to do with punishment. Thus, by this passage's own definition, punishment is not from Love, i.e. God. It comes from a mind that has made fear for itself, and we will believe in what we made. Perfect Love casts out fear. If fear exists, then there is not Perfect Love. But, only Perfect Love exists. If there is fear, it produces a state that does not exist.

Being born again, of course is not a physical rebirth. It pertains to the Mind of God reminding us of the Christ Mind or the Spirit as we were created by Spirit, and accepting only this as our truth. The word "again" in born again reveals we are spirit and we must be born again of that awareness of our original identity. We must AGAIN arrive to this knowledge. Jesus is higher because without Him the distance between God and man would be to great for us to encompass. You, GiGi are a holy creation.

Peace

Thank you kind Sir! That helps a lot. Okay i have another question if you would be so kind to try an answer.

When we die, it is said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. If we are already in heaven and dwelling with

the Lord, what is the purpose of our fleshly bodies being raptured later on. Do we need the old bodies for the new heaven and

earth. Thank you for any answer.

I need to get saved.

S Spencer You will not answer the questions Spencer because the holes in the theory that you believe in keep showing more and more in many verses that you consider pre-trib verses, and they keep getting deeper and deeper! Its not Biblical and its being proven to you everyday on this site, and you are to stubborn in your belief system to see that Truth. This offended someone not long ago in this group, but I promise you its not to offend you. I Pray for God to open your eyes to see this Truth. The Truth IN Scripture is ALL that matters, not what we think is Truth. Right? Blessings Spencer.

Hi Jimbob.

Didn't you say you do not care to discuss Salvation?

Amen Brother!!!

I believe in the pre-trib rapture but I hope He tarrys so many more can hear this msg like the one you just gave!!

God bless.

And yes, Blindness in part Has happened to those in national Israel. That is, a remnant will be saved, but the rest are blinded. Just like in all the other nations. And once God's salvation plan is complete, that is the fullness of the gentiles will have come in, including those from the nation of Israel that are to be saved, just like any other nation during this time. Christ will return on the clouds of glory to complete the salvation of every true believer in the resurrection and the rapture and execute his judgment on all of the unsaved.

The nation of Israel From Abraham to the cross, stood in a very particular situation as the custodians of the gospel. Just like the churches and congregations during the New Testament upnuntil the beginning of the great tribulation have been the custodians of the gospel.

We are living in a time, I believe, when the first shall be last, and the last shall be first.

S Spencer I don't understand what you mean in your comment about not responding to my Original post because you didn't know if it was (bait) to seek and stamp out those who held the pre-trib view? What are you saying here Spencer? My reason for being in this group is not deceptive, or to cause one to be pulled away from any truth. But to learn myself, and to help others see, and share the truth like many here do, including GiGi. I have said this many times, we all should be learning from each other. Iron sharpens Iron. If we think we have all the answers already, then are we truly allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth? I would say no to that question, we are not. Blessings.

S Spencer You and Chris say you agree with this "I use a consistent, literal, face-value method of interpretation and understanding the entire Word of God, including prophecy. In other words "God says what He means, and means what He says", so I can take what He says at face value" Do you use a literal interpretation Spencer? Do you believe God says what He means, and means what He says? If you do then why do you not take 1.Thes.4:16 literally? It does say the Lord shall descend from heaven with a ((shout)) with the (voice of the archangel), and with the ((trump of God)) This verse does not sound like He will return in silence, or in a secret rapture does it? You are not taking this verse literally! What about Rev.1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and ((every eye shall see him)), and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so. Amen. (This verse tells us He cometh with clouds, and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM) Do you see that verse literally Spencer? Also if you take the entire Word of God literally like you said you agree with, what about Ps.12:6-7? The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. If you take these verses literally like you say you do, then you believe God preserved His Word for ever! RIGHT? Thats what these verses tell us. A literal interpretation of Mt.24:24:29-31 would show you the ((Lord Jesus coming in the clouds)) to gather together His elect. COMING IN THE CLOUDS, Immediately AFTER the tribulation! 1.Thes.4:16-17 He descends from heaven and ((we meet Him in the clouds)) Rev.19:11-17 He comes to the earth riding a white horse, that is not the Lord coming in the clouds to gather together anybody, is it? Are you using a literal interpretation for the entire Word of God Spencer? Honestly, it doesn't look like you are. Blessings.

David,

Thank you for the reply. I will consider what you have said to me.

Please God protect and enrich Jason and his family with this appointment and life commitments that will be a testimony for your Glory I pray in the name of Jesus Christ.

Please reflect on 1 Chronicles 4:9-10.