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Ruby Lea,

You have misrepresented what I have been saying in my posts. Jesus will come a second time, after the Tribulation. Scripture says this in multiple places, as I stated.

But I was saying that He will not come again to rapture the church prior to the Tribulation and then again after the Tribulation, as dispensationalists say. That was my point.

Hello S. Spencer.

Thank you for your response. You can criticize me if you wish. This is a forum for us to do that and to share what we learn from Scripture.

In my responses I quoted and cited many Scriptures as you had asked for in previous posts. And yes, I will admit that I am still learning and may be wrong on some things, just as you may be.

I will take your critique into consideration.

Thanks again.

Hi Roena. The only passage to indicate this is in Genesis 7:7-10, i.e. after Noah, his family & animals were safely locked away in the Ark, "it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth." If we are to understand that the Earth began to reveal water or flooding (however minimal) at the seventh day of Noah entering the Ark, then it can be safely assumed that the rain began to fall a day or two before that seventh day.

Hello Skyler. According to Revelation 20:11-15, hell (in Greek, Hades: the abode of the departed spirits), will not last forever. In that very last day when all are judged by God (at the Great White Throne judgement), all those who have died & not found written in the Book of Life, would be found guilty before God & cast into the Lake of Fire. Not only them, but "death & hell" as well, as there would no longer be any need for them, since sin will be no more as Satan himself will be consigned to that fiery Lake (v20) & with him all who have rejected God & His Son Jesus Christ. So, there will be a day when hell will be emptied out & removed altogether, but the Lake of Fire will exist for eternity in the final judgement of those who rejected God's Love.

And Jesus spoke of this final place in Luke 12:4,5: "And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him." Here the word for 'hell' in Greek, is 'geenna or gehenna', which is different from the (temporary Hell/Hades). And this place (Gehenna) is the final place of eternal torment; but those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life ( Revelation 21:27) will live eternally with God & His Son, with the host of Heaven, on the new Earth in the New Jerusalem where there will be no more sin & Satan to deceive mankind.

Hi Gigi.

I haven't been ignoring you, I just chose to hold off from reading replies until I could focus on answering rather than multitasking as I seem to can't get away from.

It's not your view that's the issue, It's the lack of knowledge and evidence you present when you rebuking

If you have been studying scripture on eschatology you share what you have learned out of scripture! Not "What you think was taught over the centuries. If one gives you a scripture such as Revelation 3:10 as a proven pret-rib verse Meaning kept OUT of that time!

(From the "HOUR" of temptation)

Should you say no it's not or deal with this verse with your own interpretation? You say "It don't say that, and then go on to say what you think others in the past had to say.

That's the issue I have with your rebuttals.

It's not one that helps. I've known for a while you were on opposite sides of many views and that isn't the problem. It's the way you enter the discussion.

When you do explain your view you leave holes that need to be filled with scripture!

For instance, you said you believe in the Millennium but it's not on earth, it's in Heaven.

Well you have A LOT of old testament scriptures you have to clarify!! A LOT!!

You said the rapture is at the end of the world when we are Judged. How does that work being that the Millennium is in Heaven? Please explain that because that's not even a post-trib view!!

How does it work?

How do you associate this with Revelation 20:7-8 ?

'And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And shall go out to deceive the nations WHICH ARE IN THE FOUR QUARTERS OF THE EARTH, Gog and MaGog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Also Revelation 20:9.

Do you understand why I say you should show why you hold these views that doesn't seem to line up.

I wish I had more time to engage. Hopefully soon I will.

Go's bless

Yes it does.

It is written, " than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that shall NEVER BE QUENCHED: where their worm dieth not, and THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED."

Mark 943-44

UNDERSTANDING THE KINGDOM OF GOD

The OLD is a SHADOW of the NEW.

The 12 tribes of the old had a priesthood out of the tribe of Levi.

The old was done away with.

The new has a priesthood out of the house of Judah.

At present, in this generation, or age, Christ is ONLY calling out the PRIESTHOOD, not everyone will be in this priesthood in THIS GENERATION, or age.

When all the priests; the Sons of God, have been gathered, Christ will resurrect ALL the dead back to their bodies of FLESH, and they will be JUDGED and RULED by the Sons of God.

It will be a shadow of the old.

Joshua 9:21 And the princes (the sons of God) said ... Let them LIVE, but let them be HEWERS of WOOD and DRAWERS of WATER unto all the congregation (sons of God) ...

But THIS TIME the children WILL NOT take up the ways of the Canaanites, BUT will cause the nations to take up the WAY OF GOD.

Zechariah 14:21 Yea, every pot (man is the pot and Christ the potter) in (NEW) Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of host; and they (those resurrected to flesh) that sacrifice and come and TAKE OF THEM, (the new creation, now the likeness of Christ), and seethe therein (THE WORD): and in that day there shall NO MORE CANAANITES in the house of the LORD of host.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH for the manifestations of the SONS OF GOD.

Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF shall BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (sons of God) shall come upon Mount Zion to JUDGE the Mount of Esau, and the KINGDOM shall be the LORDS.

God Bless YOU!

I pray for my daughter, BM's relationship with boyfriend, DS, and soon to be fiance', that they can continue to have strong communication being consistent, love each other unconditionally, continue to be there, supporting each, continue learning each other, having patience and understanding between the two of them. I pray that they understand that times will be hard, but they need to go to God for help and work through any differences/problems they may endure. The name of Jesus I pray. AMEN.

I'm thinking about giving up on my art. i know i have a talent but God isn't helping me go any further. i'm asking him for all the answers and he only gave one. so i'm stuck i'm waiting on him. been asking him for months. feel like giving up on my talent. please answer me Lord. what do you want me to do?

Hi GiGi,

Has been a minute, and my understanding is the pre-trib rapture is not supported by scripture. I have not found any verse that says we go or are taken to heaven. If those who are living when it starts and are looking to be taken to heaven, will they be prepared? Will they be able to face the temptation that is coming? (Take the mark or die?) Rev. 3:10 to keep thee from, does that mean taken away and not have to face it?

Or to keep, the Greek word tre means to guard, observe, watch over, attend to carefully, to keep, one in the state in which he is. The temptation which the meaning is more of a trial as in 1 Peter 4:12-13 same Greek word peirasmos. If we are here, He will give us strength and we can stand on what Jesus said; "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

Just a thought on what you said in one of your posts (the Gospels of matt. Mk. Lk. and in John says the resurrection is on the "Last Day")

I do not know your understanding of the last day, or if you believe in a literal 1000-year reign on earth that starts with the return of Jesus and the first resurrection, Rev. 20:4-6. Some understand the first resurrection as all the saved and the white throne judgment for the unsaved lost.

My understanding of the scriptures is they do not line up with, all the saved being resurrected first, and the white throne is for all the lost. I know some things have not been revealed. I have studied this and have an understanding of it but just wondering if you have any thoughts on it.

God bless,

RLW

UNDERSTANDING THE POWER OF THE RESURRECTION

Psalms 17:15 As for ME (Christ), I will behold thy (the Father and God of Christ) face: I (Christ) will be satisfied, when I (Christ) awake (am resurrected, by the Father's SPIRIT), with THY (the Father's) likeness.

Romans 6:5 For if were be planted TOGETHER (you and Christ) in the likeness of his (Christ) DEATH; we shall also be the LIKENESS of HIS RESURRECTION.

Genesis 5:1 In that DAY (the day of the LORD; ALL MEN died with Christ and all MEN were resurrected with Christ) that God created man ( BY the resurrection), in the LIKENESS of GOD created he them.

Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth THY (the Father of ALL ( Ephesians 4:6) SPIRIT, THEY (all men) are CREATED; thou renewest the face of the earth.

Ezekiel 1:5 And out if the MIDST thereof (Christ) there came forth four LIVING CREATIONS, And this was their appearance, they (the new creation) had the appearance of A MAN (Christ).

Ezekiel 10:10 And as for the for their appearances (the LIVING CREATIONS), they four (the new creation) had ONE LIKENESS, as a WHEEL (Christ) in the MIDST of a WHEEL (Christ).

Colossians 1:27 ..this MYSTERY (of his resurrection) ... CHRIST IN YOU ..

Romans 8:28 For whom he (the Father of ALL) did foreknow, He (the Father) did predistinate (by the resurrection of Christ) to be conformed to the IMAGE (God) of his son, that he (Christ) might be the FIRSTBORN among many (cloned by his resurrection) BRETHREN.

Psalms 82:6 For I (the Father) have said, YE (my new creation, by your brother's resurrection) ARE GODS, the children of the most high.

John 10:35 If he (our Father, the WORD) called them (the new creation, by resurrection) GODS, unto WHOM the word of GOD CAME ( Hebrews 9:28), the scripture CANNOT be BROKEN.

Luke 20:36 Neither can THEY (the new creation) DIED ANYMORE (you died with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the ANGELS ( Isaiah 63:9...and the ANGEL of HIS (Christ in YOU) PRESENCE SAVED THEM.

Do YOU BELIEVE God's WORD?

Hello is there a way to save where I leave off in my reading

For me , the most important part of praying is to thank God . Thank God for everything , your life , your health , your food , your friends , your family etc . Acknowledge God as your Heavenly Father . Thank Him for His mercy and generosity towards you . Ask Him to continue to provide for you and sustain you , ask Him for other things for other people . Pray for His Kingdom to come , pray for the peace of Jerusalem , pray for the return of Christ . Lastly remember to ask all things through your Heavenly High Priest , Jesus Christ , the Son of our God , THE God , The Holy One of Israel . Prayers can be very short ( I always say thankyou for everything I eat , usually just in my head ) or very long , out loud or in your head and as many times a day as you like . Remember to be totally honest , as your God knows you better than you know you . You can read lots of people's prayers in the Bible , they can help you have some idea of what to say .

Who are the most blessed women in the bible

GiGi:

You said there is no where in scripture that says he comes a second time, this is adding to scripture.

Hebrews 9:28 .....and unto them that who look for him shall he appear the SECOND TIME without SIN unto SALVATION ....

God Bless YOU!

God's word is holy god's word is perfect and god's word is truth all glory and praise and honor to god the father and jesus christ god's precious son and the holy holy holy blood of jesus christ and to the precious precious holy spirit and god's kind holy word

Hello,

When a Christian passes away here on earth, can you tell me if they immediately go to Heaven? I Thesselonians talks about the rapture where the dead in Christ will rise first. So I'm a little confused about this.

Thank you for your help.

Daryl Bearstail

does hell last forever

How many days was Noah and his family IN the Ark before the rain began to fall upon the earth?

Good morning Daniel,

I hope you and your father are doing well this morning. I am praying for your dad today, that God will give him more time to come to Jesus.

REVELATION 22:19 And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the prophecy of THIS BOOK, God shall take away his part out of the words of this BOOK, and out of the Holy city, and from the thinks WRITTEN in THIS BOOK.

THE BOOK is Christ; all the BOOKS, are the written WORD about the LIVING WORD, Christ is the spirit of Prophecy.

Amos 3:3 Can TWO walk together (and become ONE), except they( the two) be AGREED.

The TWO is the BOOK (the word, which is God) and MAN (YOU).

If you don't AGREE and BELIEVE the BOOK (take away or add) you want have a part in the BOOK.

Psalms 7:13 He (God) hath prepared for him the INSTRUMENT OF DEATH ...

Romans 6:23 The wages of SIN (not believing ALL THE BOOK) is DEATH ....

John 16:8 And when HE (the word, the BOOK, the spirit of prophecy, the HOLY GHOST) is COME, he will REPROVE THE WORLD OF SIN:

John 16:9 OF SIN, because the BELIEVE NOT ON ME (the Book, the Word, ALL of the Books and all the WORD).

The LIVING WORD; CHRIST, has revealed himself in the WRITTEN word.

1 Timothy 4:19 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the LIVING GOD (the BOOK), who is the saviour of ALL MEN, especially those that believe.

Have you added to, or taken away from these words in THE BOOK (CHRIST), then according to Revelation 22:19 God has taken your part out of the words of THE BOOK (CHRIST).

FEW find THE WAY

Ezekiel 5:3 Thou (Christ) shall take a FEW in number, and bind them in thy skirt (clothing of priest the ephod).

Ezekiel 5:4 Take of them (the FEW) again, and CAST THEM into the MIDST of the FIRE, and burn them in the fire, for thereof (those FEW) shall a FIRE COME FORTH into all the house of Israel.

Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (ONE with THE BOOK) shall come upon Mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the LORDS.

Isaiah 26:9 ...for when THY (the BOOK) JUDGEMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of THE WORLD will learn righteousness (Christ, the BOOK is our RIGHTEOUSNESS).

Thanks Free,

It's important that each person examines themselves to see if they are truly of the faith that the apostles wrote about and that we believe and obey what is taught in the word. Holding on to tenets that conflict with what is plainly taught in the Word is being disobedient to the Word of God. We should take this seriously. And trying to circumvent what is plainly taught with ideas that can only come by inferences that must be read into the Scriptures due to our wanting some tenet to be true is trying to subvert the Scriptures to comply with one's own ideas, not submitting to what is plainly written.

My heart goes out to any and all who have been hoodwinked by doctrine that does not align with Scripture. I can be so hoodwinked, too, so I need to watch my doctrine carefully, too, and submit to what God openly reveals in Scripture.

And yes, we are to be diligent in prayer for all that God lays on our hearts to intercede for, especially those who post their requests here expecting to find hope and answers to their prayer requests from God who calls us to bring all of our needs to Him and for us to pray for one another.

good stuff

Good morning Chris,

I do appreciate your taking time to respond to some of my comments. And I also appreciate your candor in explaining your approach to the Bible. The back and forth we have had on how God wants us to view and interpret scripture has been thought provoking and beneficial for me, and I hope for you and others.

I am encouraged to hear that you do not embrace many of the tenants of Dispensationalism. I confess to knowing very little about it; but what I do understand gives me no interest in learning more. I believe its approach to scripture is fundamentally flawed in that it is contrary to the principles of Bible interpretation that God lays down in the Bible itself. And in doing so comes to conclusions that are contrary to what the Bible is teaching regarding God's Plan for Mankind and fundamental doctrines of Salvation and Judgement.

Ultimately it is God Himself that must open our spiritual eyes to understanding from the Bible as we humbly and prayerfully read and study His Word. Always mindful that the BIBLE ALONE and in its ENTIRITY is the WORD of GOD and must be our final authority for Truth.

In saying that, I need to be speaking first and foremost to myself. And only then to others.

Thanks, and God Bless!

Thanks and God bless.

Please pray for Janice who has suffered paralysis from a rare disease. She has had ups and downs for 6 months but cannot continue breathing on her own despite rigorous rehab. The hospital is giving til Mar 31, then they will discharge her to a nursing home. Please pray for the Lord to heal her so she can breathe on her own.

Thank you! God bless all who believe in the power of prayer!

I'm asking for prayers for me. My kidneys are deteriorating, I can't control my glucose no matter what do.

My landlord has asked me to move out and I can't seem to find a place to go.

I God will provide He has brought me a long.

He is not going to abandon me now.

Thank you

Hiya Chris GBU....But i disagree, its prophetic of the great falling away....That is not broken till the woman births the man child....(till she that is in travail has given birth)....Plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman gives birth....Remember Joel says how do the priests and the ministers do mourn....The New Covenant was cut off for 2 k yrs...For the new wine has been cut off... Joel 1:13....And Paul said that after my death shall grivious wolves enter in not sparing the flock.... Micah 5:3 is prophetic of that great falling away....But as with all prophecy there is always other things mixed in....But these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes....The woman giving birth in Rev 12 :10.... Micah 5:4....Now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth....Thats when his kingdom comes after the woman gives birth....Thats when the remnant of his brethren returns to Humanity...The bride....

Micah 5:3...Therefore shall he give them up....( the great falling away)....But this great falling away is broken when the woman gives birth...She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations....Which is the contents of the book in the fathers right hand...That book of life....Remember Jesus said unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....The whole world is in mourning simply b/c the New Covenant was cut off for 2 k yrs....Lover and friend has thou put far from me and mine aqaintence into darkness....I am the light of the world but the night comes when no man can work....The great falling away....The day of the lord cannot come till that great falling away....But that day is broken when the woman gives birth to the man child ....Rev.12 :10....NOW is come salvation and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ....Not until now when the woman gives birth....The seed of the sower is the living word yielding a baby Christ the Children of PROMISE...She brought forth a man child.GBU

One of the most inspiring verses in the New Testament that directly relates to us over 2000 years later. Those that receive this and know it, are truly blessed. Spread the love folks. Let everyone know the true meaning of salvation.