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Thank you Donna Grace for praying for me. Please continue to keep me in your prayers. I am still having problems and trying to deal with them with God's help. Have a blessed day

I still need prayer for God to take away the swelling on the left side of my face & left nostril or sinus area due to the oral and maxillofacial surgeries that I had last august & sept 2022. I had a palate tumor and it grew to the left side of my face. It was not cancerous. Thank God. I still have problems with my right hip stiffening up when I walk or stand too long from bone draft surgery. Im still dealing with other problems from the surgeries. I have to use a cane. I have been back to the doctor & everything looks good inside my mouth. But I still cant eat solid foods yet. I go back to work Monday, March 6, 2023. I need prayer for that also and pray that I still can keep my job or move to another position where I dont have to do any long periods of standing. Thank you in advance for praying for me and with me. God bless you all

Why did god send Jesus to the world if he would be sacrificed anyway for the sins? Why can't he just forgive us

Brother S. Spencer. I was shocked to read that you felt that I implied that you demeaned Jimbob. That was not my intent at all. I was merely stating the attitude that we all should take with one another, especially when conversations like this can get quite long. My apologies if I have offended you - I would never think of doing that - you have always been courteous. I beg your forgiveness brother.

Good morning Chris,

I do understand your concern regarding "parables" and I will again try to explain, perhaps with examples, how I believe God is directing us to interpret the Bible in this regard.

I also want to address in some detail my understanding of God's Judgment Program which is now quite different than what has been understood and taught throughout the Church Age. I will do this in a separate post, perhaps several. This focuses in on another principle that God very clearly sets forth in the Bible that there are certain truths in the Bible that have been sealed up until the end and are being opened up during this time. All coming directly from the Bible. The passages you reference, particularly in Luke and our understanding of how God uses the word "torment", will be pivotal in that discussion.

I will close now and try to get to some of this today.

Hiya David GBU....But David its not the written word that is God but the living word... Jesus is TH LIVING WORD....It was Jesus that made all things not the written word....Do you not remember that Israel was sola scriptura....Written word only....But Israel stoned all the Prophets and rejected the Christ....Jesus asked them 1 day which of the prophets has not your father stoned....But they knew the bible by heart the Torah....The written word cd not help David when he saw Bathsheba bathin....Thats y God wanted a new Covenant....A covenant that cd address and arrest mans adamic nature...Satans seat....Thats y we refer to the written word as the lesser light....a nite light....Its only Christ Jesus that is the living word THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD....But he warns us of a nite coming when no man can work...Bible only no H.G....That BOOK in the right hand of the father has not been opened just yet which contains the living words....Jesus words of life....Thats y it is called the book of life....The most important Book in the bible. Is that BOOK OF LIFE that Jesus wrote with his own blood....Jesus had to shed his blood at Calvary in order to give us these words of life....That New Covenant....The H.G. a baby Christ as that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the Children of Promise....An Israel of God which are Spirits....She brought forth a man child that is gona rule all nations....We be the woman the elect lady that are gonna birth these precious Children....LIVING WORDS.

......The Children of PROMISE....Much greater then written words....As the day is much greater then the night....Are there not 12 hrs in a day and 12 hrs in a night....When ya walk in the written word only no H.G.....you are walking in the night....David said thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path....But David stumbled...Bathsheba....The written word only....No H.G. the Child of Promise to lead him...Thats y Jesus had to die to bring in a N.C..A living being the H.G..GBU

Thanks Jimbob.

You stated.

The coming of the Lord Jesus Christ (WHEN) we gather together unto Him) except there comes a falling away first, (There will be a falling away first, it is happening now.

I agree it is happening now, but vs)1 I have "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, (AND) by our gathering together unto him,

Perhaps this weekend?

One thing else Jim, I have not followed this thread and don't know what you guys has covered but I peep in and encourage from time to time.

I want to let you know firsthand when I peeped in without reading much of the content, I attempted to encourage Brother Chris on a passage that he shared light on and the endurance he has showed on this thread along with other present threads.

My praise towards his efforts was NOT to demean you by any way. He was out of line.

God bless you and I hope to chat this weekend.

please remember me and my family in your prayers

Personally , I believe that Jesus is talking to his 11 Apostles , see verse 16+17 . Not all things are written to us , written for us yes but context must be considered , as Paul states we all have our own gifts , I don't believe I have any gifts at all . That doesn't mean I'm saying that God didn't give me everything that I have , I mean that I'm not particularly good at or useful for anything .

Hello Michael,

God does not promise there will not be any sickness in the lives of the believer. He also does not say that if we pray we get whatever we ask for "if we have faith."

What God does say is that He will never leave us nor forsake us and that His Grace is sufficient. He also says that anything that we ask that is IN His will He will answer.

Something we as mankind fail to be able to see is the entire picture, His ways are higher than our ways, and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts.

Mankind's sinful condition causes many different effects on our bodies, God causes certain things to happen in life for His Glory and for the help of mankind.

I understand that in our finite minds, we often fail to see sickness, disease, and even death as a blessing from God. However, let me ask you this, How many times does tragedy strike and changes our outlook toward God the Father?

These are what I call "crossroads" in our life. We either choose to walk into our faith and ask God what He is trying to show us OR we get bitter and angry at God (because we cannot see the entire picture of what and why God is doing) and we turn towards the world. (with this comes a whirlwind of darkness and loneliness)

Becoming healed at the hand of God is not dependent upon our level of faith but, dependent upon if it is in God's plan for whomever to be healed.

I knew a sweet lady of God that was diagnosed with cancer. She took treatments and according to the doctors, cancer appeared to be in remission. Just weeks later she passed on to be with the Lord. This dear lady was a faithful woman of God. It was simply in God's plan for her to go home to be with the Lord.

Our bodies dying in this world is a given due to our sin condition, we cannot stop it no matter how hard we try! It is appointed unto man once to die, we do not know when that will be or how that will be. But God makes no mistakes. Even in our sickness, God's Grace is sufficient and we should never question His plan

My friend, have you been born again?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

Paul and Silas's jailer asked them in ACTS 16:30 ..."Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Their answer was as simple as this in ACTS 16:31 ..."Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved..." Simple as that.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13.

Jesus will help you through all your problems. Psalms 34:4 I sought the Lord, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.

If you have broken the law, you may have to face those charges, but Jesus will be there with you. The verdict may not be what you want, but it will be God's will, and that is the best way, for He knows what benefits us more than we do.

God Bless!

why is life so painful I do not want to go to hell

Hello, I'm Patrick(44) from Germany and I'm a believer. I have a problem, I hear voices, I think it's demons. I've been to 6 different preachers over the past 2.5 years, here in Aachen in a church, in Hilden, Dsseldorf, and in Switzerland with the Salvation Army , with a Mr. Beat Schulthess, in Dortmund in the Pentecostal church Tempos de Gloria... Most recently I was with Kathrin Krick in Lage. I have a 2nd appointment with Beat Schulthess in Switzerland on Mrz 16th, 2023, that is also the reason for my cover letter, I need prayer support and am looking everywhere. That God works there with his spirit, and everything works out well.

You would help me if you say an honest prayer for me.

Greetings Patrick

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c. As I wrote previously on this subject, I won't push my belief on when the Marriage or Marriage Supper takes place. If the marriage is yet to take place, how do we understand 1 Corinthians 6:17? Is our joining to Christ merely a spiritual connection or have we become part of Christ's Body?

Paul in the previous verses 15 & 16, wrote about the body that is joined to an 'harlot' is actually unified with her. How can this possibly happen (amongst them), if they are also "joined to the Lord (becoming) one through the Spirit?" Our relationship to Jesus is not only secure but our union to Him is even closer than the union of husband & wife (if I can describe it as such). Our spiritual life, indeed our whole life has its first appeal to Jesus' Spirit, well before our physical connection to our spouse. What He does in our lives & hearts can never be duplicated by another - not even close.

Is this then our blessed marriage union to Jesus? But if it is to be argued that another (second) marriage (after that completed redemption has taken place) is to occur in Heaven (or Earth), then really, I wouldn't pursue that; I don't think that is a critical matter of teaching, especially in this subject we've been discussing, of the Rapture, the Great Tribulation & their sequence of occurrences. Blessings brother.

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Thanks Jimbob. Briefly, referring to your points in these two pages.

a. Acts 2:17-20. If we note from verse 8, the peoples of surrounding nations heard these men speak in their languages, which they had not learned. Then Peter gave them his message: 'what you're hearing is God pouring out His Spirit on men, to which Joel spoke about"in the last days, I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh". This was the beginning of the Last Days & it has been ever since Jesus left this Earth & sent out His promised Spirit. And "they shall prophesy" as well. But the culmination of these Last Days is what you read in verses 19 & 20. And yes, the Comforter was promised to abide with us (the blood-bought Church) forever. But what happens when the Church is no longer here - and that "forever" day has arrived?

b. Ephesians 1:13 & Revelation 7:3,4 are not the same sealing, by virtue of that act & what is imparted. In the former, it is clearly the Holy Spirit Who seals the believer "Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory (v14)". He marks His Own, He is the "earnest of our inheritance" (Gk. arrabon = an advance part-payment guaranteeing our security), "until the redemption of the purchased possession" (the Holy Spirit remains in us & secures the believer until the redemptive work at the Cross is fully realized, i.e. Christ indeed fully paid the ransom for our redemption - but completed redemption is only realized until the body is returned back to our Redeemer: Romans 8:22,23).

In the Revelation 7:3,4 account, we are not told what the seal is & how it's applied; at least it seems to be a forehead mark (the Lord's imprint, unlike the false Christ's signature). If one should read this mark to be the Holy Spirit on their foreheads or His indwelling that results in an outward marking, then I have no other comment. All I can glean is that the world is now devoid of the Spirit's Presence & Work.

Beloved, the prayer of a righteous man works with great power. James 5:16. Have you received the forgiveness of sins? Believe in Jesus Christ and you will be righteous. That is all that He God the Father Himself expects us to believe in Jesus not only Jesus but also Christ. Acts 16:31 Then you also get to experience Heaven on Earth. For the kingdom of God dwells in us. Luke 17:21

We face temptations on a daily basis, it becomes like something you know you shouldn't do, then you do it anyway. Then the question is what is it dear to you. One can well imagine that this is not a good thing. It is important to distinguish between Spirit, Soul and body. Run to Jesus an pray for help.

The body has its everyday routine. Then we can expand this into many illegal things. If it is the meat that tempts us, we only have one choice. Run to Jesus, pray for it to go away. Then it also means that you have to capture every thought that comes up, after this pray of help. So that you don't think about it ever again

There is a difference here. The one who is a child, the one who is young, and the one who is old. Think about it. The Lord does not expect a child to drive a car. If there is anyone who cares for us all, it is the Lord. Think about the smallest little thing He is with. He is also involved in the big things. As Gods word said, the kingdom of God is within us who believe.

We learn as we go. We separate things from good and bad as we have been taught to do so. People are so different. Some hear well and others don't. This is completely individual. Thank God the Father for it is He who has made us this way.

And if our conscience says that what we are doing is wrong. May we sincerely ask for forgiveness and learn from it as best we can. Good luck on your journey towards Sanctification. Love u in Christ.

Hint: Try 1 day that suits and keep the thought of the Lord Jesus. Only on Him, see what's coming. He tells you good things. It will help you a lot and not think on other.

Correct David0920, except I wouldn't quite put it that way. Rather: 'if we seek to understand the spiritual message from Scripture that God has for us in His Word, without first applying proven & accepted biblical interpretative conventions on how we should approach the Bible, we can go off in any direction we want.' We can take many examples from the Word; I believe I gave one on 'the Lake of Fire'. How one interprets this place will demonstrate how one has approached this phrase.

I don't know your interpretation of it, but if one should say that it is an actual place of eternal torment, then that person has already applied those important rules (maybe unknowingly), that what the Scripture says of it, is certainly a literal place, both the original language, wording & grammar verify this, and other Scriptures support this view. But the one who disregards the rules of interpretation & is focussed only on searching for some spiritual Truth in every verse, may arrive at various conclusions; maybe: 'it is only a figurative expression of God's 'Work'; I have no interest or acceptance of what the Greek has to say about it; I even disregard Jesus' assurance of such a place, believing that He had (or, there is) another meaning for it.' In my experience, those who reject the normal conventions of interpretation, usually have little or no interest in hearing anything else. Why? Because it's not what the Spirit is showing me - I'm learning deeper Truths that others with 'carnal' minds cannot perceive, therefore all must be rejected to get to this 'gold that has to be dug out'.

And we could say the same of Luke 16:19-31, where many say that this was only a parable of Jesus, when this whole account repudiates the intent & meaning of a parable; and of course, if this belief is taken to its end, it would make Jesus a deceiver & a scare-monger. But comfort is falsely taken that this must be a parable giving a spiritual meaning & warning, thus making Jesus true to His Word.

I can sense things and feel people emotions. many say that this is a gift of empathy and discernment and that i'm close to Jesus. i also have good eyes. i seem to notice details that others don't. i just want to be sure this a gift and not any form of witchcraft. it's seem to attract bad spirits too.

please pray for me and my children to be free from mans chains and the jail court cases pray for my cleaniess from drugs and alchol and i need finacial stubility im homeless a single mother 39 yrs old and my nae is barbara roberson 1 son 1 daughtour 1 granddaughtor

Ok, let me ask this question a different way.

What does Matthew 28:19 mean? Is this a command?And is Jesus the final authority on the subject?

Hallelujah Hallelujah thank you dear God Father in Heaven who cares! Thank You for answered prayers and all intercessions, Amen

Hello Donna,

By and large, those churches that teach to baptize only in the name of Jesus are churches that deny the God is a Trinity of persons. They subscribe to "modalism" which says that God is only one Person and reveals and acts in history in the role of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I think that to deny the trinitarian nature of the Godhead contradicts Scripture in many ways.

S Spencer Thanks for the reply. You said "By the context of 1.Thes. and 2.Thes. they knew the order of events Paul was telling them, 1st the rapture. 2nd the man of sin revealed. 3rd the day of the Lord. ((The order of events are very clear in 2.Thes.2:1,3)) (1) Now we beseech you brethren, by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him. (The subject here is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him) (3) Let no man deceive you by any means, for ((that day shall not come)) (WHAT DAY? The coming of the Lord Jesus Christ when we gather together unto Him) except there come a falling away first, (There will be a falling away first, it is happening now) and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. (The son of perdition is the antichrist who must be revealed BEFORE the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him happens. If the antichrist is revealed before the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him, doesn't that disprove a rapture before the tribulation? ((This order of events is in context)).

Chris I do Believe that Every Word of God is Truth. I'm not sure if you agree with that or not? As you know Rev.19:7-9 is the only place in the Word of God that tells us of the marriage supper of the Lamb, lets look at Rev.19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (This verse says ((the marriage of the Lamb is come, it doesn't say the supper in this verse)) the word (marriage) is #1062; it means nuptials, marriage, WEDDING. This Is the marriage of the Lamb, the Wedding. This is a Special event or it wouldn't be in the Word of God. Let us be glad, and rejoice, and give honour to Him, For the marriage of the Lamb is come. This marriage must be in heaven because we see in v.11 heaven opened, and behold a white horse, the rider of the white horse is Jesus Christ v.14 tells us and the armies that were in heaven followed Him upon white horse, out of heaven!! They come from heaven to the earth. Those returning with Him are those who were at the marriage of the Lamb with Him, at the marriage they were arrayed in fine linen, clean and white. Those riding white horses from heaven with Him are clothed in fine linen, white and clean. The marriage of the Lamb is a Wedding and it will happen IN HEAVEN! Thanks again Chris.

Praying deeply for Lelands mental well being. Let NO weapons formed against him prosper. Praying Gods protection, mental, physical, spiritual & emotional well being & Gods presence surrounds Leland daily. Praying he is okay and will reach out and contact family /friends today. In Jesus name, Amen!"

Whether or not you believe in God, this message is a "must-read"!!!



All throughout time, we can see how we have been strategically conditioned to come to this point where we are on the verge of a cashless society. Did you know that Jesus foretold of this event almost 2,000 years ago?



In the book of Revelation 13:16-18, it states,



"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles-- Revelation 19:20) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.



Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."



Speaking to the last generation, this could only be speaking of a cashless society. Why so? Revelation 13:17 says that we cannot buy or sell unless we receive the mark of the beast. If physical money was still in use, we could buy or sell with one another without receiving the mark. This would contradict scripture that states we need the mark to buy or sell!



These verses could not be referring to something purely spiritual as scripture references two physical locations (our right hand or forehead) stating the mark will be on one "OR" the other. If this mark was purely spiritual, it would indicate both places, or one--not one OR the other!



This is where it comes together. It is shocking how accurate the Bible is concerning the implantable RFID microchip. Here are notes from a man named Carl Sanders who worked with a team of engineers to help develop this RFID chip:



"Carl Sanders sat in seventeen New World Order meetings with heads-of-state officials such as Henry Kissinger and Bob Gates of the C.I.A. to discuss plans on how to bring about this one-world system. The government commissioned Carl Sanders to design a microchip for identifying and controlling the peopl

Hi Jimbob.

Thanks for responding and sorry for such a delay on my response back. I normally can't engage until the weekend due to my work schedule.

Here's my view on this.

We are the light of the world, (The oil filled Lamps.)

In 1 Thessalonians 5:3-5. we see this light mentioned in the believers in connection with the Day of the Lord. (As already established; "Not to be mistaken for the tribulation! but what is interesting is "If" the Holyspirit is taken out of the way/Removed and no longer restraining, then the children of light would become as those who sleep in the night!

He that comforts us, enlighten us and keeps us is no longer doing it and by nature we love Darkness. John 3:19.

Jesus says he will never leave us comfortless. John 14:16-20.

John 15:19. Because of this verse we should see it is not a worldly entity that desires or even capable of restraining evil.

We have three enemies that pushes back against Holiness, Our flesh, the world and the prince of the two, "Satan"

We have one source that empowers, but yet "PERMITS" That's the Holyspirit. We see the involvement and power of the Holyspirit shepherding his Church against these three enemies.

Romans 8:9-15. (The flesh)

1 John 4:4. (Satan)

John 14:16-20. (The World.).

2 Thessalonians 2:1-7. The subject here is the Thessalonians thought the day of the Lord was at hand! Paul says that day shall not come, except there come a apostasy first, and that man of sin be revealed. Paul goes on to say; Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

He is refering to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. He is reminding them.

By the context of 1 Thessalonians and 2 Thessalonians, they knew the order of events Paul was telling them. 1st The rapture. 2nd The man of sin revealed. 3rd the day of the Lord. (Wherefore comfort one another with these words.)

The Church is removed and the Holyspirit operates as it did in the Old Testament.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 parallels with Matthew 24:15.

GB.

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Chris thank you for your response. I got a lot to reply to but I'm going to start with your 2nd page. You said The Holy Spirit is not evident during the sealing of the 144,000 in Rev. Ch.7, you said "all that is taking place with the survivors who learned to cleave to the Lord and His Word during Great Tribulation have done so without the aid of the Holy Spirit." We are told in Jn.14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that ((he may abide with you for ever)). the (Comforter is the Holy Spirit) and ((He will abide with us for ever)). We are told in Acts.2:17-20 (17) And it shall come to pass ((in the last days)), saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: (18) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: (19) And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood and fire, and vapour of smoke: (God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh, and they shall prophesy. WHEN? The next verse tells us (20) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE that great and notable day of the Lord come. (Gods Spirit is poured out on all flesh just (before) the great and notable day of the Lord come). Eph.1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, YE WERE ((SEALED WITH THAT HOLY SPIRIT)) OF PROMISE. Rev.7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have (sealed) the servants of our God in their foreheads. These verses tell us the Holy Spirit will be with us for ever, and that God will pour out His Spirit upon ALL FLESH (before) that great and notable day of the Lord come. Also they were ((sealed)) with the Holy Spirit. Thank you Chris, I will finish with the marriage supper with p.2

Regardless if you believe in God or not, this is a "must-read" message!



Throughout history, we can see how we have been carefully conditioned coming to this point where we are on the verge of a cashless society. Did you know that Jesus foretold of this event almost 2,000 years ago?



In the book of Revelation 13:16-18, we read,



"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles-- Revelation 19:20) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.



Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."



Speaking to the last generation, this could only be speaking of a cashless society. Why's that? Revelation 13:17 states that we cannot buy or sell unless we receive the mark of the beast. If physical money was still in use, we could buy or sell with one another without receiving the mark. This would contradict scripture that states we need the mark to buy or sell!



These verses could not be referring to something purely spiritual as scripture references two physical locations (our right hand or forehead) stating the mark will be on one "OR" the other. If this mark was purely spiritual, it would indicate both places, or one--not one OR the other!



This is where it comes together. It is shocking how accurate the Bible is concerning the implantable RFID microchip. These are notes from a man named Carl Sanders who worked with a team of engineers to help develop this RFID chip:



"Carl Sanders sat in seventeen New World Order meetings with heads-of-state officials such as Henry Kissinger and Bob Gates of the C.I.A. to discuss plans on how to bring about this one-world system. The government commissioned Carl Sanders to design a microchip for identifying and controlling the pe