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Why do some churches teach to baptize in the name of Jesus Christ ONLY, when Jesus Christ Himself says in Matthew 28:19 to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

Regardless if you believe in God or not, read this message!



Throughout time, we can see how we have been slowly conditioned coming to this point where we are on the verge of a cashless society. Did you know that the Bible foretold of this event almost 2,000 years ago?



In the book of Revelation 13:16-18, we will read,



"He (the false prophet who deceives many by his miracles-- Revelation 19:20) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.



Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."



Referring to the last generation, this could only be speaking of a cashless society. Why's that? Revelation 13:17 states that we cannot buy or sell unless we receive the mark of the beast. If physical money was still in use, we could buy or sell with one another without receiving the mark. This would contradict scripture that states we need the mark to buy or sell!



These verses could not be referring to something purely spiritual as scripture references two physical locations (our right hand or forehead) stating the mark will be on one "OR" the other. If this mark was purely spiritual, it would indicate both places, or one--not one OR the other!



This is where it comes together. It is incredible how accurate the Bible is concerning the implantable RFID microchip. Here is information from someone named Carl Sanders who worked with a team of engineers to help develop this RFID chip:



"Carl Sanders sat in seventeen New World Order meetings with heads-of-state officials such as Henry Kissinger and Bob Gates of the C.I.A. to discuss plans on how to bring about this one-world system. The government commissioned Carl Sanders to design a microchip for identifying and controlling the pe

Chris,

There really isn't much more that I can add to what I've already said on the matter at this point.

My hope is that, if nothing else, this whole discussion has caused some, including myself, to carefully examine our approach to the Bible in the light of what the Bible declares.

The Bible alone and in its entirety must be our authority.

Chris,

Let me just say this in response to your "parting of the ways" comment.

What you are really saying, as I understand it, is that if we apply the principles that God lays down in His Word for approaching and interpreting the Bible, without first applying our own reason and logic and conventional wisdom to how we approach the Bible, we can go off in any direction we want.

Frankly, I see just the opposite. We must first apply the principles that God defines in His Word as to how we are to interpret the Bible. And any conventional rules that man's wisdom may have developed must be subservient to God's rules.

Carefully applying God's rules actually keeps us on the right track. Failing to do so can lead us down a rabbit hole from which we might not emerge.

Ultimately, it is God Himself that must open our spiritual eyes to truth from the Scriptures, as the Bible itself declares.

May God in His Mercy so do.

in Psalms 103:1, what is the significance of God using the East from the West , and no other directions of the earth?

Thanks

David 0920. Yes indeed, "Christ spoke in parables" to the multitudes, and He did so for a particular reason: Matthew 13:13-15,35. I realize that there is a point that you're aiming for here, so I won't proceed with this unless you wish to develop it. But to state at the outset, what Jesus shared with the people in parables (earthly stories with a kingdom principle) cannot be related to everything (or, most things) that the Bible declares. A parable has a specific meaning & format. But clear literal statements of persons, events, or Kingdom living cannot be admitted as parables. Even the OT mention of 'parables', holds a different meaning to what we read of Jesus' Words. Metaphors or allegories are employed throughout the Scriptures, but even these are clearly discerned & are not parables. I'll stop here; I assume that the Bible teacher you referred to hasn't got his messages on this subject, on the Web - I would like to listen to his take on this.

Hello David i have 2 comments.

Jesus spoke plenty not in parables, like i thirst. This is literal, not a metaphor.

Not sure your intent about the Bible is Jesus. The Word is a metaphor, Jesus is not a physical book. Sounds like some new age stuff to me.

No , we are free to eat anything we want to . When you get to reading the book of Acts and chapter ten , this will become clear to you .

Thank you David0920 for sharing that. I think we will have to part from each other on this matter. As much as I can understand & appreciate what you've given as the right way to approach the Bible, I still maintain that there is still a fundamental mind-set & approach we must have before we even first open those sacred pages. If we throw out those essential rules, then we can do or interpret anything we want, to God's Word, all under the guise of being Spirit-led & inspired. I know that the Spirit can & will do all that is necessary to guide us into all Truth, but how many are actually believing what the Spirit reveals & how their own perceptions & coloring of the Scripture assures them of the 'truth', their 'truth'.

An example that comes to mind: Psalm 82:6 states, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." And Jesus refers to it in John 10:34, "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" The answer? 'from those Scriptures, all God's children are also gods'. I doubt if you believe that. Rather, using the basic tools first, will help us understand what is meant.

Even for example, the Bible translators, had to be firmly grounded on a set of established rules & patterns of their work before they could even begin (& the same goes for those in Bible translation today, working amongst various people groups). If the basic laws are not adhered to, I wonder what sort of mess the work of Bible translation (& even expository deliveries) would find themselves in. And by the way, I see no difference in those translating the Bible from original texts to those of us who have the Bible in our hands & read it with both understanding & discernment of the Truths within. We need those rules so as to rightly divide the Word. The Holy Spirit will then take us into a deeper understanding & application of those Truths, which makes the Bible more than a record of historical events, which is so to many casual readers.

Chris,

Thank you for your response.

I know I'm being repetitive here. But for that I'm not apologizing because there is a principle that I think few recognize and apply.

And that is Christ spoke in parables and without a parable spoke He not.

I am saying this, Chris, not because I am wiser than anyone else and discovered this principle on my own. But I was very fortunate to have listened for a long time to a faithful Bible teacher that taught this. Once understood, and very very carefully applied I might add, causes many many passages in the scripture, which seem to make no sense at all, or are exceptionally difficult to understand, open up tremendously. And it also has the effect of absolutely confirming over and over again that the Bible truly is the WORD OF GOD, Himself.

Please my brothers and sisters in Christ.Pray for Gods Healing Power for my lower pole right kidney In Jesus Name. Thank you Jesus! Jesus Loves You Forever!

David0920. The anti-Christ certainly gives every resemblance of Satan himself. But to use those principles of Hermeneutics I hold to (that of literal, contextual, & Scripture with Scripture rules), I note in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (he is called the 'man of sinson of perdition'); and verse 9 (anti-Christ appears on the scene 'doing the works of Satan'). The wording & context itself suggests strongly that this is a person, not Satan, but given all the powers of that wicked one that virtually makes him Satan incarnate.

I agree, that essentially this is a battle in the spiritual realm, even as the enemy of our souls comes against Christ & all who've chosen not to obey Satan, but here we see a physical representation, if you will, of Satan; one raised for this final onslaught, "whom the Lord will destroy with the brightness of his coming", the one called "the beast & his false prophet" ( Revelation 19:20) finally cast into the Lake of Fire. And then "the dragon, that old serpent (of olden times), which is the Devil and Satan, will be bound a thousand years" ( Revelation 20:2). I believe these verses should convince us that three separate persons filled with evil are being revealed here but all hold to that foul & wicked spirit.

Hello David,

I really love this chapter. It shows us the value of having the Holy Spirit indwelling and guiding the apostles and believers of his day. I am so glad the Spirit guided Paul and others to write down the teachings of the Holy Spirit for believers as well as preaching vocally to the churches of as they were created by God through the apostles.

And I am thankful that all believers, even us today, also have the Holy Spirit indwelling and guiding us, not to give us new revelation, but to confirm to our minds and souls that what is recorded in Scripture is truly the inerrant words of God for all believers and the Gospel is the power of God for salvation for yet to be believers. Unbelievers cannot make sense of the Scriptures unless the Holy Spirit spiritually opens their eyes to the Gospel first.

It is amazing that what is contained in Scripture is used by the Holy Spirit to operate as life-long instruction to believers. We can study the Word all of our lives and all along the way we continue to learn from the words God included in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit keeps drawing us back to Scriptures over and over again in order that we will not only be trained and shaped by the Scriptures, but also to receive the power that He has put into His Words to transform us to be more and more like Jesus. It is also our clear lens by which to observe and interpret our world and our history, past and present. What a blessing upon blessing it is to have the Spirit within us and the Scriptures in tangible form to read and share.

Thanks brother Giannis. I also noticed that in the Greek Lexicon but didn't want to take my comment to that detail; as well, in my ignorance of the language, I was unsure why the two genders were being used in verses pertaining to the same person. But you see that both the Holy Spirit & the Church (the 'he' and 'it') are reflected in those verses. Thanks very much for that clarification.

Hello Alex,

Wy did you change your name on this site?

I hope that you are doing well. I continue to pray for your kids and mine and others who have grown children that have strayed away from the Lord. How are your kids doing?

I need help with temptations of the flesh,I want to be a righteous man,and pray

Nacol1900,

You may want to very carefully consider the verses below. If you are suggesting that God somehow speaks direct to us in a voice or a dream or a vision or a tongue once the Bible was completed, you are walking on very dangerous ground based on Rev 20:18,19.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

They ask Jesus what shall be the sign of thy coming and the end of the world....Matthews 24:3....And he mentions sorrows....Child birth...b/c i have spoken these words ( his seeds ) sorrows have filled your hearts....A spritual pregnancy...When a woman is in travail she has sorrows but after the Child comes her sorrows are turned into joy....Ye now have sorrows but I will see you again....Whosoever receives one such Child in my name receives me....Its only the H.G. that Child of promise that comes in his name...And he shall be called by a new name that the mouth of the lord will name....Simply b/c Jesus is the father of the Child....As Isaiah refers to Jesus as everlasting father....The Child is the H.G. that Child of PROMISE...Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me....Thats y he has to know us...B/c i have spoken these words ( his Seeds ) sorrows have filled your hearts a spiritual pregnancy....The substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen....As the Child is the H.G. That Child of Promise.

......When he breathe on them he was regenerating himself with his breath which was his words his Seeds....That was the great Promise i will multiply thy Seed as the stars of heaven....His Seed is spirit....Thats y he was saying....That which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the new born babe the H.G.....The regeneration of Christ Jesus in humanity.....Blessed are them that follow me in the regeneration.... Matthew 19:28....When the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed in humanity as the field is the world... Matthew 13 :18 kjv....Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN....Simply b/c mankind has to bring forth fruit unto God... Rev. 12:5 kjv...She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations....The parable of the sower and his precious seed is about the regeneration of Christ in humanity...And the contents of the book that he wrote with his own blood...That book of life that N.C.....ok lemme go.GBU

Psalm 85 gives general promises after some sort of diaspora as to bringing back people from captivity (verse 1); forgiving iniquity (verse 2); and anger (verse 3).

Interestingly after these things are stated matter of factly; it seems there is a petition made for the very same thing (i.e. removal of God's anger) in verses 4 and 5. Verse 6 also seems to be asking for a return from captivity after it already is suggested in verse 1 to have occured.

Verses 7 through 9 show how God grants salvation (v. 7); and the fear of God brings glory to the land (verse 9). Verse 8 warns not to return to "folly" which shows the repeated patterns of rebellion that tend to occur after temporary and short lived repentance in Bible history.

Righteousness and truth mentioned in verse 10 are explained in verse 11 as existing in earth and heaven; without both of these things we cannot have mercy and peace. Verse 12 shows the crops and earth being fruitful; to be especially true in the Millennial Kingdom.

The final verse reminds us of Psalm 119:105 as to God being a lamp unto our feet and light unto our path. The Lord must illuminate our hearts or else all is in vain in our human understanding (see Proverbs 3:5).

Sorry I meant 2 Thess 2:6, not 2:5.

Hello Chris

In 2 Thessalonians 2:5. "the restrainer" is in neuter gender in grk , and in 2 Thess. 2:7 it is masculine. So it is both "it" and "he" (what is it in the Bible that it is both "it" and "he"?). Its precise meaning is "He(it) who has in his(its) possession", (grk "o/to katechon")

My opinion is that it is not something we can not think of, in such a case God would have revealed it to us. So it is something we can come to by studying the Scriptures. I too believe that It (He) is the Holly Spirit. "The Holly Spirit" who has in His possession the "church". There can be nothing else that makes sence.

oh my lord

My mother just passed away and I feel like I passed away with her. Please help me by praying for me to be strong and have courage. I take refuge in the Lord. Amen.

Asking for strong protection, strength and breakthrough for us and all in need. Also, thanking the Lord for several answered prayers.

Chris,

In this comment you referenced 2 Thessalonians 2:7.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Several things about this verse, which must be read in the context of the entire chapter...

First, the word "way" at the end of the verse is the Greek word "mesos". It is found in the Bible 61 times. And 41 times in the KJV it is translated "midst". Also the word "letteth" is an Old English word meaning to "hold down or restrain".

So perhaps a better translation in today's language of the verse would be...For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now "restraineth will restrain", until he be taken out of the "midst".

So who is the "he" in this verse? I would suggest that in this verse, when read in the context of the entire chapter and the context of the entire Bible, that "he" is "God the Holy Spirit".

So what this verse and in fact the entire is chapter is teaching is this... That during the Church Age, when Satan has been bound ( Rev 20:2,3), God the Holy Spirit resides in the midst of the churches and is restraining the activity of Satan within the churches as that gospel is proclaimed from the churches to the world. But there will come a time when God's Judgement comes upon the churches ( 1 Pet 4:17), as it did upon National Israel, and the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the midst of the churches and Satan will be installed to rule there ( 1 Thessalonians 2:4).

This I believe occurred at the beginning of the Great Tribulation which is the day in which we are living. And for this reason God has commanded True Believers to come out of the churches ( Matt 24:16,17) where God is working outside of the churches to save a "great multitude which no man can number".

Please would you stand with me in prayer for the restoration of my marriage. My wife, Elsie Smuts filed for divorce after her divorced lady friend Nettie, whom she stays with and works for, influenced her. She is now involved in an adulterous relationship with a man. I do not believe in divorce and wants my marriage restored. God hates divorce and no man may separate whom He joined together and I stand on that. I love my wife dearly and she used to be a devoted christian. Now she is not even going to church anymore. I thank you kindly. I love my wife dearly and want her back please.

Hi Jimbob,

My understanding 1 Thess. 4:16-17 is the same event as Matt. 24:30-31 1 Cor. 15:52 and verses in Revelation (the second coming of Jesus). In Revelation John covers different aspects of the same events in different chapters not in order. Rev. 10:7 in the days of the seventh trumpet, the mystery of God should be finished.

Rev. 11:15-19, the seventh angel sounds the seventh trumpet, "the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord." This is the same event as we see in Rev. 19:11-16. All of these are the same event, the last trumpet sounds to announce His coming and the first resurrection who will reign with Jesus on earth, not carried to heaven.

When Jesus returns and the armies which were in heaven that followed, are angels, the saints were not in heaven. Matt. 25:31 Matt. 13:39 Mark 13:26-27. The resurrected chosen and faithful from around the world will meet Jesus in the air on the way down to Israel and Jerusalem.

Then we see the bowls of wrath in Rev. 16. In Rev. 19:17-18 the angel called the fowls to the supper of the great God. Rev. 19:19-21 The battle of Armageddon. Then the beast and the false prophet were cast into the lake of fire, Satan is chained in the bottomless pit, and those in the first resurrection will reign with Jesus for one thousand years.

The marriage of the Lamb, the marriage supper, the bride, and the bride of the Lamb is only mentioned in Revelation. Rev. 19:7 Rev. 21:2 Rev 21:9 Rev. 22:17. When? It will be after all is made new, and where? It will be on the new earth. Jesus said this at the Last Supper, Matt. 26:29, Mark 14:25, and what the Spirit and bride said in Rev. 22:17.

I know my understanding may be different than yours and others, I could say more but this should show my understanding of this. I am thankful for this site and the brothers and sisters on it to be able to respectfully discuss the Bible.

I hope this answers your questions,

God bless,

RLW

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Only in Jesus Christ am I perfect and righteous. Only in Jesus Christ am I favored.

I am apart of a primitive baptist group in Georgia, and one of our sister churches in oklahoma has been ransacked. Pews flipped over, holes smashed into the walls, and the sink removed and the lunch-area flooded. They were able to get the pews upright and still had services, but they have no means of insurance, and can only accept donations. I pray that they are restored to their former state, and have continued protection and such faith in these times.