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Please Dear Lord God Bless and Aid good man Mike Clark and his dog furbaby Roxy and Keep them healthy, happy, and well now and forever. Praying so in Jesus Christ's Holy Name. Amen.

I have been having thoughts of suicide what kind of versus are there

what is the name of the forbidden

fruit of knowledge of the fruit ADAM AND EVE DID EAT

Chris Again I really appreciate you replying. You have no need to be sorry, we do see scriptures in a different way, but Thank you Chris. A lot of how we see them is from what we have been taught in the past. I think you have agreed with that in one of your previous comments if I'm not mistaken. We all need to be completely openminded to Truth IF we expect to be lead by the Holy Spirit because the Word of God is Alive today. The proof of that is we can read the same scriptures many times and the Spirit will show us what He wants us to know from that scripture when He wants us to know it. We will never know it all, or have full understanding while in our flesh bodies. The Word Is Alive today! (Heb.4:12) Now I should say I'm sorry, but I have a few questions again if you don't mind answering them Chris. (1st question). What, or when could Rev.14:14-16 be, if its not the harvest of the church, which is what many call the rapture? (2nd question) Can you provide any verses that show the wrath of God is (included in) the great tribulation? I see them as being (totally different time periods) and have provided many scriptures to show they are not the same. (3rd question) Can you explain why Mt.24:29-31 and 1.Thes.4:16-17 have so many things in common, it looks like they are describing the same event (as the Lord descending from heaven (not coming to the earth), the coming in the clouds, the sound of a trumpet, and a gathering together) yet Mt.24:29-31 and Rev.19:11-17 which is the return of Christ riding a white horse do not have (any) of these things in common? Again if I'm not mistaken you believe Mt.24:29-31 and Rev.19:11-17 to be the same event? I do thank you for being so respectful Chris, it truly is a good thing to hear how others interpret these scriptures when we can have a discussion without disrespecting one another. I am thankful for that! May God Bless you Chris, and all those who seek His Truth in this group, and patiently await the return of our Lord!

The ENTIRE Bible is the Word of God , it is full of the Gospel message in EVERY book . God has preserved His Word for our benefit . It is all about Jesus and the new covenant . If some people have not yet reached the stage of understanding that then that's ok , they will get there in God's good time . Meanwhile they should not be disparaging towards others and dismiss what they cannot yet appreciate . May God grant us all eyes and ears to see and hear Him everywhere in our lives and in the lives of others .

If Adam and Eve were the first people on the earth, who was the woman who married Cain? Where did she come from? What is her lineage?

Thank you.

Chris,

Part 3

So allow me to ask some specific questions, if I may.

Where in the Bible do you find the instruction that we are not to go beyond the a LITERAL account to find the underlying Gospel message?

Where do you find the scriptural instruction not to look for the Gospel message in the very LITERAL ceremonial Laws that the the Nation of Israel was commanded to obey?

Where do you find the scriptural instruction not to look for the Gospel message in the very LITERAL account of the Book of Ruth or Ester or Job

Where do you find the scriptural instruction not to look for the Gospel message in the very LITERAL accounts of the raising of Lazarus from the dead and the other miracles that Jesus performed?

Where do you find the scriptural instruction not to look for the Gospel message in the very LITERAL account of 1 Kings 18?

If this is to be our Hermeneutic, we need to have a scriptural basis, don't you think?

My prayer request is for all the people that came into my life and I asked him would they pray for my ex-wife that lives in a nursing home please pray for all them and all the people that need prayer and I think everybody on this website for their prayers too thank you

Jesus was not about death but about life as he said my words are Spirit and life...1 st Cor, 2:14 kjv....But the natural man receiveth not the things of God for they are foolishness to him....He only delights in the letter a killer....The literal meaning of the bible...The lesser light...is the letter a killer....Your fathers ate manna from heaven but they are all dead...The law ...This is that manna that if man eats he will neva die...which is the greater light the LIVING WORD ...The New Covenant ...That bread from heaven...A LIVING BEING THE H.G. Our new hearts and new spirits etc That has to be born in us via hearing his living words...The New Birth is all spirit nothin literal about him....The definition of literal means without mataphor or parable....But without a parable speak he not unto them...Impling the real meaning is hid from the wise and prudent but only revealed unto babes....Our new born the H.G. that Child of PROMISE....The spirit of very God....The O.C. was somewhat literal...But there was no eternal life under the O.C..Without the blood of Gods lamb...that New Covenant there is no eternal life.

..When Jesus said my words are spirit and life implies the carnal man cannot receive it...He can only receive the letter a killer a literal meaning which is death as Most All of Churchanity is dead.....They delight in dollars and materialistic things....Simply b/c they are carnally minded....And the spiritual things are foolishness to the carnally minded....1 st Cor.2:14....For the carnal man receives not the things of the spirit for they are foolishness....But how many Churches are teaching we must take the bible literal....They don't realize that Jesus says my words are spirit and life....Satan is now standing in the holy places when you think the bible is all literal....And Jesus says to run to the mountains when you see this great abomination of desolation standing in the holy places..But God is gonna pour out of his spirit on all flesh...amen GB.

Prayer that I can find a church, prayer for healing, prayer for friends (don't have many), finances, and unspoken please. Thank you.

Please pray for all the children being raised by the internet. They are a generation that will be lost if we don't intercede for them and get them OFF the devices,rap music, and video games.

Please pray for parents to get off their devices as well and interact with the kids. Lord give them the strength To limit device time or better yet, get rid of it.

I do not believe for 1 second that we should take the bible literally under this New Covenant....Its the living word that is spirit and life...The literal word is the letter which is a killer....The literal word is the letter without the spirit....Its the spirit that opens our hearts and minds....The ground has to be opened and only the spirit can do that.... 2 Cor. 3:6....He has made us able ministers of the New Covenant, Not of the letter, the literal meaning....But of the spirit the H.G. A LIVING BEING...Our new innerman Christ in us the hope of glory.

please remember me and my family in your prayers today

Hi, Jill! Covid is no fun at all. I tested positive on February 4 of this year and negative on the 18th. Now I am going through post covid with a terrible cough. But God is good. He didn't abandon me, nor will He abandon you. God loves you. He did not send His Son to die on the cross for you only to then leave you to suffer without Him. He promised to always be with us and He does not lie, Jill. He may seem far off during part or the entire sickness, but He is indeed right there with you. Have faith.

God bless you!

Chris,

Part 2

To continue a bit.

The historical-grammatical view is why some believe that the Old Testament is primarily for the Jews and the

New Testament is primarily for us today. So we should pay more attention to the New Testament than the Old. That is not taught in the Bible.

Also the Red Letter additions of the Bible are implying that the words the Jesus spoke are somehow more important, more the word of God, than the rest of the Bible. Nothing could be further from the truth.

And that God has a special salvation plan for the nation of Israel, for those of Jewish descent, than for other nationalities. That is not taught in the Bible.

The Bible alone and in its entirety is the word of God and is for us today.

Very sick with balnce problems and bowel troubles. THank you for your posts.

Chris,

What you expressed is pretty much what I expected. And I disagree with much of what you said as I'm sure you have gathered from my posts on the subject.

I do not find any declaration in scripture that supports the historical-grammatical hermeneutic. Although this is the approach that the New Testament churches have used for most of the Church Age as I understand.

This approach tries to determine what was in the mind of Paul or Luke or Isaiah or Jonah and what they were trying to express to their specific audience and culture. It unfortunately pushes to the side the fact that the Bible has ONE AUTHOR and that is God Himself. That Christ IS the WORD OF GOD. Every word and phrase in the Bible, in the original autographs, was chosen specifically by God Himself; not by the human scribe. And our goal is to discover what God Himself is teaching us; not Paul or Jeremiah or Luke. And we can and should be looking for how God used a word or a phrase in, for example, Jeremiah to understand a passage in Romans.

It also does not recognize that Christ spoke in parables and that WITHOUT A PARABLE SPOKE HE NOT. And this is not limited to those passages where He specifically declares that a passage is a parable. And that God speaks in parables to both REVEAL and HIDE truth. See the passages I have quoted previously.

So ultimately this is why God commands us to "compare scripture with scripture" to understand what God is teaching in a particular passage. And this includes both the IMMEDIATE context and the context of the ENTIRE Bible.

The Bible ALONE and it's ENTIRETY is the WORD OF GOD.

Thank you Jimbob for taking the time to pore through my submission, though I'm sorry that you weren't able to see what I see in the Scriptures. From the many other views we get on this subject, we see that we all can have our different Scriptures that show us how we should perceive these last days.

Even the Revelation 14:14-16 passage you quoted, referring to the harvest being the Church; if this is the Rapture, why then did the Church have to experience the previous judgements of God (in Revelation 6:1-17: Seal Judgements; Revelation 8:1-9:21: Trumpet Judgements). These can't be the ordinary, everyday turmoils that Earth's inhabitants face, but specific Judgements from God and then the sickle is struck for the harvesting (& of course, some are cast into the winepress of God's Wrath).

So brother, I don't want to continually rehash the earlier passages we've written about, as clearly we read these prophetical messages differently. My understanding is that the Great Tribulation of seven years (the last week seen in Daniel's prophecy), which includes God's Wrath in its various phases & intensities, will come after the Church is removed; even as promised to the Philadelphian Church in Revelation 3:10.

The anti-Christ (at least at the beginning of his reign of terror to his opponents), & the beginning of God's Judgements ( Revelation 6,8,9), assure our hearts that the Rapture of the Church can happen suddenly, without any signs to prepare for that day. The call is for our expectant joyous living & readiness now, as even the early Church was to urged to expect ( Philippians 4:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:6; Titus 2:13; James 5:8; Revelation 1:3) - not for our awakening when things begin to get very difficult in the course of the final seven years. The call was always for believers' readiness - we couldn't be in such a state if we know that much more needs to happen before the Lord's Coming/Rapture of the Church - death might overtake most of us before then.

That I will finish 5 chapters of Revelations as fast in today

Please, pray for Shohei Ohtani to sign my baseball card(the baseball card of him I sent to The Los Angeles Angels baseball team), and for it to get sent back to me, along with anything else that he would like to send to me. I know this seems like a silly request, but I would ask for you to pray for him, also. Thank you.

I hope you have good sleep.

Our Father in heaven hallowed be thy name. Please forgive my sins, please forgive our debts. I wanna pray for the warrior Archangel Michael to show up in my life, protect me from wrath and defeat my enemies once and for all. I wanna pray for Archangel Raziel for the revealing of secrets involved in my current/past life, the alchemy process around sex transmutation and how to fullfil life's purpose. Also I want to pray for Archangel Raguel to keep fallen angels in check, help find justice for me and destroy wicked spirits. Peace to my enemies. In Jesus mighty name Amen and Amen!

Fully agree. Well expressed dear Sister.

1- pray for a release of my result so i can get my B.sc certificate and go for nysc

2- pray for a new and better job for my friend saviour

3- pray for the financial growth of my family

4- pray for a better Nigeria

Yes, Ogunwale,

I heard about the turmoil concerning the elections. I pray that God will intervene and help your country to bring about just government actions and peace among the peoples.

The sons of Noah are shim ham and japheth!

4 altogether. What people groups came from the Three Sons: shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Why are there 7 churches to represent three children, and father being the fourth.

We are 3/7?

Okay...thanks

PostScript:

what are are the people groups today that represent those children such as Germans French etc.

Thanks

Chris,

Thanks. But I realize that not every Mom breastfeeds their babies. So, I want to make it clear that I am not judging anyone for

choices in this area. That said, I do think that "natural' (as to cooperating with the nature God gave us) is usually better that

substituting something artificial or man-made in something as important as feeding our new babies. I just think that, as I look

at the bodies of women, some things are easy to discern as to what was God's intent in shaping us the way we are. I am just

one who wish to honor the way God made me and respect the process of childbirth and baby care as using my uterus and

breasts the way God has designed. Because I thought this way, I studied up on it before I even became pregnant with my first

baby. Funny, I even was a support person for my friend who had her first baby before me by a few years. We have been friends

for over 40 years.

Yet, each couple need to choose what God is leading them to do in this area. For me, the benefits to baby and to mom in

breastfeeding are so worth having. But most of all, we need to honor God with our bodies, respecting the way He designed our

bodies to work and endeavoring to live our lives in such a way to bring him glory. For many women, it is in breastfeeding. For

others it is not because their circumstances were very different than mine. I will always speak out for the value of breastfeeding,

but I will always be respectful towards each person's decision in this situation.

But the information of how Mom's fed their babies in ancient times and in many cultures untouched by modern society is

reliable. The sending of formula to third world countries for brand new moms have contributed to malnutrition in so many

babies and mom's. It would be better to send nutritious food for women throughout their pregnancies and the years they

breastfeed as it would reduce malnutrition in such communities in a much bigger way.

Jimbob, oops hit send instead of the key I intended,..

I always took those Scriptures as our Lord telling us about His second (and only) coming a the end of history. when read what Paul explains in 1Cor. 15 and 2 Thess. 2 also speaking of the return of Christ at the end of history (the Day of the Lord. In reading these Scriptures from my teens and up to now, I have thought this. I was brought up in a church that did not speak much about end times. Only saying that Jesus will come again and He will judge the living and the dead; resurrect all people; bring the believers to heaven for eternity. And, yes, this is an eschatological viewpoint, but not an indepth one compared to those who have ascribed to an amillennial, preterist, premillennial, or dispensational mindset. I did not even know that these categories existed for most of my life.

So, I can say that my engagement with the Scriptures mentioned were much more uninfluenced by preconceptions of any of the eschatological viewpoints. I would have never understood any of these Scriptures referring to a secret Pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib rapture event separate and before the visible second coming of Jesus. But that does not mean that my view is unwaveringly true. It just means that I was approaching Scripture asking the Holy Sprit to help me understand.

It has only been recently that I have inspected the various eschatological viewpoints. I cannot say at this time that I am 100% behind any of them in all of their teachings. But at least I know that my understanding of these Scriptures were not because I was taught any particular eschatological approach.

Even so, we all should be humble and willing to consider what others have to say on this topic since it has not happened yet. I appreciate this conversation between you and Chris. It has been respectful and I sense that each of you sincerely wished to explore this topic between yourselves and present one's own viewpoint as clearly as one is able to do.

Jimbob,

I agree with you. The Scripture that pre-trib rapture proponents us to "prove" this theory are really the revelation of the full second (and only) coming of Jesus Christ to "harvest" the saints and to bring in the time of God's wrath upon the unrighteous.

Dispensationalists look to Scripture with a pre-conceived lens of the tenets of dispensationalism. When one interprets Scripture within a particular "ideology grid" then the Scripture cited seem to prove the preconceptions. That can happen to those of us who are not dispensationalist, too.

It is very difficult to not bring preconceptions to the Scriptures. it takes a prayerful heart and mind to humbly seek God's truth.

For me, for 65 years as a Christian, I have not been exposed to the various eschatology views that Christians hold. I have not studied them until very recently due to being exposed to them on this forum. so, I cannot say that I had a set view. But from the time I was old enough and mature enough to read the Bible with understanding, I have always taken Jesus words in matt. 24 & 25 and Luke 17 as

Question: : Is a man obligated to form a bond with a granddaughter if it causes strife with his present wife even though there was little or no bond with the child who was fathered by the man before he and his wife got married. The wife knew about the outside child before marriage took place but changed her mind later on

I've searched scripture but haven't found answers to this situation