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It didn't take Noah that long to build the Ark (some have calculated the figure should be around 70 years), but from God's announcement of 120 years left for mankind's life on Earth, there would have been a long period (long, for us today) between the announcement & the start of the building work & the coming of the rain.
Yet, we haven't discussed 2 Thessalonians 2:1-7, which I had given in my last post (I only shared my own understanding). And this of course ties in with the Rapture; this too is important to consider when looking at the timing & character of the Great Tribulation/God's Wrath. So, maybe I'll keep this short & get your thoughts on that Scripture, if you so wish (no compulsion at all): What was deeply engaging those believers' minds that prompted Paul to pen these words of assurance? Who or what is the one who "letteth will let" ('katecho', restrains, holds back)? When this being or entity is "taken out of the way", what are the implications of that removal upon the Church & the World?
These are the questions I have to ask myself when looking at such verses, particularly in the light of eschatology, where we are compelled to form an opinion or a belief with often very little information given (at least information so succinct for us, that the early Church receiving such, would have grabbed the opportunity to request the author to expand his teaching). Obviously we can't do that & I sense that the early Church did know far more than is revealed to us now, but God has permitted that we receive what is given & hold onto it. Hence, our variations in understanding to what should otherwise be a straightforward doctrine.
And back to the Kenite origins. I have seen opinions that indicate that the Kenites descended from Cain, hence not all flesh were destroyed by the flood. And yet, we get an example in Judges 1:16 indicating that Jethro, Moses' father-in-law, was a Kenite. And then in Numbers 10:29, Jethro is referred to as Raguel (also called 'Reuel' in Exodus 2:18), as a Midianite. What would you make of this? We know that it is the same man, Jethro, that is referred to, but can we assume a connection between the two families (Kenites & Midianites)? If there is and we go back to the immediate descendants of Noah's sons, we can follow the descendency from Shem through to Terah to Abram to Midian (through Keturah): Genesis 10:21-31; Genesis 11:10-32; Genesis 25:1-4 (here, we see Midian born to Abraham through Keturah, of whom (Midian), Jethro is connected to. If Jethro is also recorded as being a Kenite, there must be another family line coming through Midian (maybe through a daughter, not mentioned (only sons) in Genesis 25:4).
So, it appears that we must be open to the possibility that the Kenites were not from Cain (as much as a similarity exists in those names), but could have come through the descendants of Shem & the Abraham.
Stay close to Gods word and be happy in Jesus. His light and blessing live in you forever, according to the will of God the Father in the holy name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
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advice: Remind the powers and authorities of Jesus Christ's Holy blood that flowed on Calvary. Always invoke this when thoughts become impure and destructive. Rejoice in the Lord for what He did He did for us all. Amen. Come to Him in Spirit and truth, know that in Him you are strong. Stay close to God's word and eat it every day, it unites us with God. Do the Lord's will and you will see that you will be freed, Jesus loves u and in love u in Christ. Take care.
Luke 1 Chapter. Ephesians 6 The full armor of God.
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Your trying to limit God by saying eight people can not feed and keep the ark clean.
Your right eight people can't, but God can, a whole army couldn't bring down the walls of Jericho, but God can, even by the blast of a trumpet. One man can't kill 1000 men with the jaw bone of an ass, but God's spirit upon that man can, the man becomes the instrument in God's hand.
Since the ark is symbolic of Christ, and man has to be in Christ to be saved, as the 8 were in the ark, I believe these 8 were the only men and women in the ark; but, that being said, there is all kind of symbolism that infers the fowls of the air and the beast of the field are symbolic of man.
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I forgot to ask. Which modern Greek bibles do you use for reference? I would like to check them out to see how they compare with the Textus Receptus.
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Are you going to judge the world with Christ?
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousand saints.
Jude 1:15 To EXECUTE JUDGEMENT ON ALL ----is this ALL creation or not ---- and to CONVINCE ALL ---is this ALL creation or not ---- that are ungodly among them of ALL ---is the all or just part ---- their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Do you think when this JUDGEMENT is EXECUTED against them it will CONVINCE them to TURN from their ways and bow and confess Christ as LORD.
Everyone (ALL) is either going to be a JUDGE or be JUDGED.
All this happens when Christ resurrects the ungodly back to their flesh and blood bodies.
Isaiah 29:9 ....when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Every knee will BOW and every tongue will CONFESS: CHRIST IS LORD.
Romans 14:11
Isaiah 45:23
Philippians 2:10
Romans 10:10 ....and with the mouth confession is made unto SALVATION.
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It is a blessing to be humbled by God. What you said reminds me of what James tells us in James 4:6.
God gives more (or greater) grace. Wherefore he says, and this is Proverbs 3:34, God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
Proverbs 3:34 is found three times in the New Testament. It's a very important and popular verse. God resists the proud. Who are the proud?
There are two things about the word for proud. Number one, a person filled with pride is self-centered.
Now by that, the word means that you are centered on yourself whether you think you are somebody great, or you think you're somebody like a failure.
It's the high or the low, high self-esteem, or low self-esteem, you're still focused on yourself. It's still pride.
The other thing about the word for pride is self-reliance. This is the person that uses their human resources to live their life and satisfy their problems. And for them, maybe when they run out of human resources, they might call on God.
God resists the proud, the person who is relying on their human resources, who is self-centered and self-motivated. God will resist that person. But He gives grace to the humble. And the word humble is the person who has been made low, just like we see in James Chapter 1.
Why does God resist the proud? God is bringing that person to a position where they need God's grace. God only gives His grace to the lowly.
If a person is self-centered and self-reliant, God has to oppose them so that they turn around and become dependent upon the Lord. But He only gives His grace to the humble!
So, as it says in James 4:5, God has given me a spirit that dwells in me that lusts to envy. The word spirit is no doubt the human spirit that God has given us. The human spirit in us lusts to envy.
But God has greater grace because He'll resist me. And He'll give me His grace when I'm humbled!
May the Lord continue to bless you also!
The definition of ALL depends on the context of the entire Bible. If we isolate 1 Cor 15:22 from the rest of the Bible we could come to your conclusion. But we cannot do that.
When we examine God's use of "all" in this verse in the light of the entire Bible we must understand it this way
For as in Adam all (of mankind) die, so even in Christ shall all (whom God saves) be made alive.
The Bible does not teach that "all of mankind" will be saved.
When we are incorrect in our belief, and God causes us to see our fault, all we do is change directions (repent) of what's incorrect, and keep running the race, I have had to repent thousands of time on this journey to TRUTH. Being not willing to CHANGE DIRECTIONS is the problem, but the more and quicker you learn to do so, the easier it gets.
I agree with you, God causes blindness to teach us, and to seek him for that TRUTH, and learn repentance.
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Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a CHILD is BORN, a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulders .....
Isaiah 60:22 And a LITTLE ONE shall become a thousand (by the operation of God through Christ's death and resurrection ..... Colossians 2:12
Revelation 12:5 and she brought forth a man child, who was to RULE ALL NATIONS, with a rod of IRON ...
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (lies and deception), and keepeth MY WORKS (the WORK'S of the CROSS), to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron ....even as I received of my Father.
Romans ...God did predestinate (a priesthood) to be conformed to the IMAGE of his SON ...
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Thank you so much for this. I do agree with what you are saying. And thank you for the offer to send all the verses with the word HUPOMONE. That is very kind of you. I think I might have those verses already. This was also a word we took in my Koine Greek class when we were doing word studies. That class ended, so it has been awhile since I've done individual word studies, so what you've sent me has helped refresh my memory. Again, thank you.
As for the consequences of a Jewish person receiving Jesus as their Messiah, what you said is true. Back in the time Jesus was here, for a Jewish person to follow Jesus as their Messiah, their family would disown them, they would lose their job, they wouldn't be allowed in the temple. I even read that their family would even hold a funeral for them because they considered you dead if you received Jesus as your Messiah. That's how serious they were about Judaism.
That's why I said in a previous post that knowing this helps me better understand some of the things I read in the book of Hebrews. For a Jewish person back then, they had a tough choice to make. Do I continue following Christ and receive Him as my Messiah, knowing what the cost will be, or do I go back into Judaism which was much easier.
Thanks again, and God Bless!
Revelation 12:10 ..... Now is come SALVATION, and strength, and the KINGDOM Of GOD, and the power of HIS CHRIST ...
Revelation 11:17 .... The kingdoms of this world (plural, ALL) have become the KINGDOM OF GOD (singular), and of HIS CHRIST ......
When did this HAPPEN; the day YOU walked to the front of a church and took the pastors hand, or did it HAPPEN 2000 years ago on a CROSS before you had any knowledge of the POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism .....
YOU DIED and were RASIED 2000 years ago, but you weren't BURIED until you were born 2000 years later and BURIED in the TRUTH and power of his resurrection;by the LIFE that raise you 2000 years ago.
Man had no say, it's the WORK'S of God and HIS CHRIST, it is a GIFT of GOD, our INHERITANCE.
Psalms 2:8 .....and I (the Father) shall GIVE THEE the nations (ALL) for thine inheritance ....
God is only calling out the priesthood in THIS AGE (generation, so far 2000 years), the firstborne (feast of the weeks).
Romans 8:19 ....creation WAITETH for the manifestation of the SONS of GOD ...
Romans 8:21 Because creation ITSELF shall be DELIVERED ....into the glorious liberty of the children of GOD.
Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (Sons of GOD, in the likeness of Christ) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau ....
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN: this honour hath all his saints.
ALL will bow and confess CHRIST as LORD.
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We do learn from each other and we should be open. I definitely agree with that. You have been on here for several years now and you always have a lot of knowledge to share and I for one do appreciate you. We may not always be in complete agreement on everything, and we shouldn't expect to be. I have no expectations of people agreeing to everything I share. That is all any of us can do, is share what we have studied on our own, what we believe to be true, and share those things here with others.
We all believe (or at least we should) that Gods word alone is truth. That's how I see it. It's not what I say, and not what I believe to be true. I can tell someone "This is what the Bible says," and yes, it does say that. But I always have to keep in mind that my understanding of what I believe it says can be faulty. Nevertheless, Gods word alone is true.
But yes, we need to keep on studying, and coming here and sharing what we have learned can be a fruitful experience. I trust that the Lord will be there at all times to let us know if we are right or wrong.
I think sometimes God allows us to hash things out before showing us. And sometimes I have to wonder whether it's me in a back and forth discussion about a disagreement, or any two believers for that matter, if the Lord is up there with His arms crossed, laughing at us, and saying "You know something, you're both wrong."
I believe that is always a possibility. Blessings to you my brother. Keep sharing!
To me, "flesh" means humans, people, man etc .Not creature, animals, insects etc. This is why it sounds to me like there was more then Noah and his son's . Maybe they were the only eight souls saved per sa. I also can not see only eight people taking care of that many animals 24/7. That is a lot of work for only eight people. The animals did eat, Noah ate as well, so someone had to clean messes 24/7 otherwise the ark would have caught fire from the gas build up and the flame for lights. I can't see just eight people taking care of themselves,the animals and able to rest. I believe in scripture, I have always thought it to be just Noah s family until recently something just clicked about the flesh and thinking about the size of ark and all the animals to be care for by just eight people. I've worked at a kennel before with about 120 dogs and a few cats with 4 of us working and we could hardly stay up so I can't imagine.
Back to our conversation. You are right that the verb "hupomeno/omen, sing/plural" sometimes is written in the Bible having the meaning of "to endure or suffer or remain under tough conditions with patience, a patient endurance. Verses where that verb has that specific meaning are e.g. in Timothy 2:10, Timothy 2:12, but we can find the noun "hupomone" in verses like e.g. Luke 8:15, Rom 2:7, 5:3, 1 Thess 1:3, Hebr 10:36 etc where it has the meaning of patience. (If you wish I can give you all the verses in NT that contain that word). I think those two meanings are so closely related to one another so that sometimes it is not very obvious which meaning they actual have. One needs patience to endure/ to stay under tough conditions/tribulations. Otherwise what is the point of being patient if they enjoy themselves, nobody would say that they patiently have a nice time, would they? But in Hebrews 10:36 it has the meaning of patience. This is how I find it written in modern Greek Bibles.
About your question "What would be the consequences for a Jewish person for following Jesus?". I think they would be separated from the other Hebrews, not allowed to enter the synagoge, and suffer all kind of persecutions, even imprisonment and execution. We can read about that in Acts (Stephen) just before Paul was converted to Christianity. And we can read what Paul suffered by his own nation after he received Jesus as his Savior.
Thanks for your comment on Daniel's 70 weeks. GBU
What is the definition of ALL.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam ALL DIE, so in Christ ALL shall be made ALIVE.
Doesn't everyone (ALL) at some point DIE, is not the ALL the same in that scripture; as ALL die in Adam, ALL shall be made alive in Christ.
This is the GOSPEL
Did this not happen at the death and resurrection of Christ.
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